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  1. 14 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

    Wait, are people seriously harassing Wyatt on social media because they hate Walker? Omg I’m so over this bullshit. People need to get a grip.

    Wyatt doesn't have any social media accounts. All the Walker hate I've seen on social media has specifically been about the character, not the actor. People are even prefacing their posts with "No hate to the actor, but..."

  2. 3 hours ago, MagnusHex said:

    The whole "cop giving Sam a hard time 'coz he's black" scene was a little on-the-nose and annoying. I hope we see less of those scenes. Even though it's relatable and realistic, man, why drag that kind of racial politics into this, especially with the chaos BLM has left behind?

    It was an important scene because it set up Sam's explanation to Bucky about why he gave up Cap's shield. "Maybe this is something that you or Steve will never understand. But can you accept that I did what I thought was right?" A huge part of Sam's journey in the series is about "racial politics" and what it means to inherit the mantle of Captain America as a black man. 

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  3. 46 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

    Well I actually think this sums up a lot about their relationship and is pretty ironic in way that I don't think she intended. Not that it was just her fault but they did end up "f*cking part of it up". They probably did "call each other out" although I don't necessarily believe it was in a big brother type way. 

    “Calling out” a coworker is not something to brag about. I don’t know what her working experience has been to make her think it’s a normal thing. But thanks, KC, for confirming the pap rumors about how she and SA didn’t get along on set and probably why they had negative chemistry. 

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  4. TV's Best Proposals, From the Sweetly Funny to the Super Romantic

    By Team TVLine / February 12 2021, 4:04 PM PST

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    At a lighting ceremony, Oliver made a very public display of love by celebrating “the one who lights his way” in front of all their friends and family members, not to mention dozens of Star City residents. “Felicity Smoak, would you make me the happiest man on the face of the Earth?” Oliver asked on stage. For someone who had lived in darkness for so long, it was a surprisingly showy and vulnerable move.

     

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  5. 8 hours ago, Chaser said:

    I rewatched a bunch of S1 the other night. I had absolutely no memory of this episode. 

    My brain pretty much skips from 1x12 (when Felicity gives Oliver Moira's copy of the notebook) to 1x14. Which means all these years I missed the significance of Oliver cutting Laurel off from the Hood (ostensibly because he doesn't want to risk her safety) and then in the very next episode trusting Felicity with his secret and asking her to join the team (And telling that Diggle "We can protect her")

    7 hours ago, Featherhat said:

    Jen's right in her review that this is a very standard yet also very toxic love triangle where Oliver ends up openly manipulating the situation by flirting with Laurel as the Hood (and using her as a human shield!) and also (faux) sympathising with Tommy about Laurel lying about the Hood and telling them to get honest with each other, like two versions of him aren't the part of the problem and neither of them know about it. 

    I really disliked Oliver in season 1, and I think it's partially because he's around so many other characters that (rightfully) yell at him for being an asshole, but never actually do anything to help him to grow as a person. Diggle and Felicity being the only exceptions.

    And the love triangle was absolutely the worst because not only was there no couple to root for, it made Oliver, Tommy, and Laurel horrible people. I wanted them to all get therapy and stay away from each other.

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  6. 9 hours ago, Featherhat said:

    On a side note, does anyone remember which con it was when SA let the cat out of the bag that either he knew it was Laurel in the grave from the beginning or he was given a short list and guessed?

    I don't remember him saying this. (It's likely that there was a very short list-- Laurel and Quentin) I do remember that Emily said at the Paris con (which happened at the end of season 4) that she knew from the beginning the 3 characters definitely not in the grave were Oliver, Barry, and Felicity. And then of course there was KC who said she never even considered it could be Laurel (even though everyone else was worried it could be their character) and thought that no one would be in the grave.

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  7. 22 hours ago, Featherhat said:

    Marc Guggenheim on Twitter: "@AlexKadolph Any explanation I could give you would just become fodder for clickbait articles and the like. If you DM me, however, I'm happy to have a chat with you." / Twitter

     

    So some fans are still asking why E2 wasn't in the crossover instead of a brief E1 scene. I'm half tempted to DM him and see what he says but I think the biggest one (which he probably won't say) is that they just didn't want to. I suppose there might be legal issues with E2 and the spin off that they thought was happening. 

    Her S8 storyline could have gone on to the crossover but it also effectively ended when she "chose to be a hero" over trying to bring Earth 2 back and she wasn't his daughter, wife or a Paragon. 

    Edit: Twitter doesn't seem to be embedding atm. 

    I’m guessing at least 50% of the reason is budget. They would’ve had to pay KC extra to appear on the other shows. It’s probably the reason why she only showed up in the Arrow episodes of all previous crossovers as well. The other 50% is that every character that was in the crossover had more important reasons to be in them than BS did. Her storyline affected no one except herself. Everyone else had ties to all the other characters. It would’ve been a waste of time and money in an already packed crossover to include someone no one else knew or cared about or made a difference in the big picture.

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  8. 1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

    I know that as these characters and comics go on for decades but the idea of one track where Laurel Lance-Queen is Oliver's daughter, and another where she is the love of his life makes me feel kind of squicky.

    It's the only way they could make Laurel Lance-Queen happen. Given that Gail Simone is one of the writers, I suspect it's her way of thumbing her nose at the show.

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  9. 4 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

    I thought the S2 poster pretty much sealed their fate.

    When you suddenly shove your S1 leading lady into the back row and have the new cast member next to the lead, the writing is on the wall. That poster was screaming "New leading lady folks!!!!!!!"

    Even Matt M from TV Line wondered about LL/KC's placement in the poster when it came out:

    "But it’s the staging of the next tier of costars that seemingly ranks Ollie’s gruff island buddy Slade Wilson (new series regular Manu Bennett) higher than his lithesome lady love Laurel (original cast member Katie Cassidy)."

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    I always felt like Laurel was a part of Oliver's past that he didn't particularly care to revisit. Lots of mistakes he was sorry for etc but he just didn't want to go back there at all. For me she had no relevance to him from mid S2 onwards. He had this whole other life and she was floating around somewhere. 

    Like you said, they were leading completely different lives and were always hiding something from each other. That all we were ever shown of Oliver and Laurel's relationship, whether it was before the island when he treated her like crap (cheated and lied), or post-island, when he sidelined her and lied to her about who he was and what he was doing. Yet the characters were made to say stuff about how they were meant to be together (Helena, Tommy), how Oliver was better around Laurel (Moira), how Laurel knew Oliver "in her bones" (Oliver, Laurel). The Oliver/Laurel relationship was the worst case of "tell, not show" I've ever seen on TV. I think that SA, who had shown how much thought he put into the character and the show in the early seasons, saw that disconnect and played it out in a way that made sense to him, which was Oliver resolving his guilt for how he mistreated her and then moving on. 

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  10. Even before the end of season 1, reporters were asking about Oliver and Felicity's relationship, and SA was talking about how pretty and smart and capable Felicity was. This interview was at Wondercon 2013, right before the final 3 episodes of the season and in the middle of the Oliver/Laurel/Tommy triangle ramping up.  SA, who almost always pushed the party line and promoted what's being shown on screen at the moment, was teasing about Olicity. Laurel was never an obstacle or challenge to Olicity as far as anyone working on the show was concerned (except maybe KC)

     

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