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On 1/25/2021 at 2:55 PM, Primal Slayer said:
The reboot really did a disservice to the Vera legacy. Getting rid of their own version of Grams was a big mistake imo. We got to know A LOT about the Halliwell ancestors in the first two seasons. Sure the dates were....bad but the Halliwells had a history and which was very fun to learn about and something that fans still talk about till this day. Charmed reboot....no one talks about the mom anymore and the dads are so uninteresting that I know that one showed up but it didnt have the same impact as Victor did.
I think they realize this and are going to rectify once the real S3 starts (that will be episode 4 of S3).
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Also - I was so confused when people kept mentioning Peyton List - because I thought that was the actress from The Tomorrow People and I was like, she's much older! Now I realize there are two actresses named Peyton List. The elder one is gonna be soon eclipsed by the younger one by the looks of it because wow - she killed it this season.
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What an incredibly satisfying season! It definitely started off slow and a little wandering but wow... I cheered so hard at the end when Daniel showed up to immobilize Kreese and then at the very end when all my fave kids were back together united with Daniel and Johnny. I might have ugly cried.
Johnny looked so nice in his Stayin Alive suit, awwww.
That Ali Mills arc was brilliant and gosh she was just like this perfect little fairy angle that came to sprinkle closure, encouragement, calm, unity and motivation all at once to everyone who needed it. Man. I loved that arc with her and Johnny and was halfway shipping it, even if I liked Johnny and Miguel's mom.
I want to like Robby and I understand how he ended up with Kreese, but I feel so badly for Johnny. William Zabka has this way of making his face go all tortured sad yet clad in armor and it just turns me into a puddle. I want to suit up and fight next to him but also cuddle him, IDK, lol. He's done that since the pilot and every time he does it ... gahhh Johnny! I was never ever into bad boys as a teenager so this is all very disconcerting to me, lol.
And can we talk about Elisabeth Shue looking AMAZING at 57?! She's aging like a black woman - extremely well!
The house fight pissed me off - mostly because I was so angry with the cobra kai kids breaking and entering into someone's home. Tori is SO lucky she's not dealing with kids who know their own privilege because her ass would have been in prison for real. All of the Cobra Kai kids would've. No way you can do that to some somewhat wealthy kids and be literally on probation and come out unscathed.
So I guess the couples have settled into Miguel/Sam and Tori/Robby. I kinda feel like the final fight is going to be Sam and Tori in next year's tournament.
ETA: OMG how could I forget Daniel's trip to Japan and seeing Kumiko and Chozen?! So so satisfying. And so satisfying to see it come around for Daniel vs Kreese.
ETA: AAargh - also how could I forget the reverse Johnny-Ali storyline with them basically doing what Daniel and Ali did on their date and then the club thing with the spaghetti and white jacket, etc.. that Daniel had with Johnny wearing the same thing... but the mess not happening, thankfully. Again the nostalgia was perfect and then Ali tying things up in the perfect nostalgic happy bow was *chef's kiss*
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On 12/17/2020 at 6:33 AM, Speakeasy said:
My wife and I just watched episode 17 of season 2 and she commented on a difference between this version and the original, which is that all the characters seem very isolated, both as individuals and as a group. In the original it very much seemed like the Haliwells were in touch with their family history, they had their ghost granny in the attic, their mother had left helpful stuff for them, the Elders were a magical government but they weren't an obviously evil magical government, just one that sometimes seemed distant and arbitrary-but they also provided a support structure. Then they had friends and jobs and they went on dates and generally had lives outside of fighting demons. They met other witches and magical people and there seemed to be a magical community out there that they were part of.
There's not so much of that here, it doesn't seem like the Vera family extends beyond Marisol either vertically or horizontally- there's no mention of any aunts or uncles or grandparents or cousins who might be part of their witchy legacy (and there's Ray, but Ray sucks). The Elders were as incompetent as they were horrible and even more horrible than they were incompetent. We started season 2 by ditching the whole mortal life context in exchange for a new one which was pretty quickly shown to be a front for something creepy. We know a lot more about the demonic community than about the witch/non-evil-magical one and the main characters essentially seem completely on their own against All the Powers of Hell. One would think they'd pick up some allies from the people they've been helping but apparently not.
It's a bit depressing really.
I still generally enjoy it because I love trashy urban fantasy TV, apparently. I do hope that in the next season there's more world building and just the sense the girls have more people they can rely on than one or two love interests and Ray (who sucks).
I mean frankly if you give them a Command Centre with a big board, I want them to have staff. Maybe that's not the kind of show this is but season 1 ended with the idea they would become the new magical government. They should have bodyguards. They should have researchers. They should have an extraction team they can send in to help witches in trouble so it doesn't always have to be one or more of them at risk. They should be hosting diplomats from the Seelie Court and the Dragon King of the Western Sea. They should be building a worldwide network of contacts and allies beyond Ray (who sucks) and his offscreen friend (who probably sucks since he's friends with Ray).
I'm ranting and I don't think abyones reading this bit of the forum since this season was over in the US months ago but still... There you go.
I'm here - just posted some stuff in the spoiler thread you might wanna read. Some of what you mention in this post is addressed in the spoilers.
I'm an OG fan who liked the original show but I wasn't a diehard. I watched the episodes and got engrossed in them, but I wasn't bound and tied to that being the only way Charmed could play out, so I really love the reboot. The first season was very difficult for me to get into and so I didn't watch that in real time, but always wanted to give the show a chance, especially after the OG actresses were so horrible about it and I wanted to support a cast with WoC as leads. Shortly after S2, I saw something online that mentioned the show rebooting itself in S2 and I was intrigued. So I decided to watch the last 3-4 episodes of S1 and then jump into S2 and I'm so glad I did.
There are a lot of things I love about the reboot, but the demon twist with Macy (hope that's not gone) and the absolutely brilliant take on whitelighters/darklighters are both up there for me as being superior to the OG show.
Can't wait for S3!
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Some spoilers for S3: https://www.spoilertv.com/2020/12/charmed-season-3-spoilery-snippets.html
QuoteAnd while we here at SpoilerTV won't spoil on how the season 2 story will unfold, here are some spoilery snippets about what we can expect a bit further into the new season.
- As teased in the official CW Press Release the show is getting back to some season 1 basics. Maggie's return to College will prove more difficult than expected, while she has her new power fairly under control that doesn't mean her panic attacks are conquered as well.
Courtesy of @SoyCarlosRubio
- Jason Diaz's Antonio early on checks off some Jock-stereotypes and pushes some buttons that shouldn't be pressed.
- Mel's return to activism proves to be challenging as well. Her sense of justice and new job make her crossroads with Kevin (JJ Hawkins) and they both help each other in unexpected ways.
- After 2 years the writers are finally expanding the Vera witchy family tree. For now the sisters will just meet one of their cousins, potentially more family members to come. The introduction of the said family member goes anything but smooth so the real question lingering is can we trust the new family member?
- Something the sisters unexpectedly lost last season finally makes a return, fans of the show will certainly be pleased. Mel as usually comes through for us.
That's a wrap, guys. Not much but hopefully enough to keep you intrigued, till the show's season 3 premiere. Tune in live on the 24th January at 9/8 Central on TheCW or stream live the next day on the CWApp.
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Promo pics for S3E1: An Inconvenient Truth:
And promo pics for S3E2: Someone's Going to Die
http://www.ksitetv.com/charmed/charmed-3-2-photos-someones-going-to-die/208713/
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20 hours ago, Speakeasy said:
I would have liked the Elders to stick around a few more seasons to be honest, exploring the dynamics of these three young, powerful and idealistic but ignorant heroes with an ancient, cautious and knowledgeable power structure.
I dunno - I kinda like the Buffy style they went to in the second season. I recognize that it's not just like the OG Charmed, but I liked the direction it went and the team dynamic in this episode was just SOOOOO good. I had been expecting to get that super tight team dynamic in the roswell reboot (but the show went off the rails and was racially problematic to boot) but it didn't deliver, so I was so happy to see that team dynamic emerge in Charmed. I do still want the focus to be on the Charmed Ones, but love these little team adventures where they all come together. So good.
For that reason, I'm glad the Elders are gone. I like that we got Celeste (even though I don't fully trust her) though. I like them having someone with more historical knowledge, but I like them having to figure it out on their own. I get the feeling the show is trying to "groom" them to be the nuElders and show us the journey of how they got there.
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Speakeasy your Edit reasons are hilarious, lol.
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On 12/16/2020 at 7:59 AM, Speakeasy said:
The Elders were horrible, and all the shitty things they've done seem to be part of their horrible policies, the random witches they save seem to be fairly normal people who are just getting hunted by two groups of arseholes. Then there are magical creatures like the dryads who got murdered and the pixies in the last season, who seem pretty benign and are just getting abused by people/demons out for their own gains. Of course they aren't using their powers for the benefit of mankind but it really looks as if mankind would probably respond to the offer by abducting and vivisecting them, so I think that's fair enough, really.
I really liked this episode. I don't know if the remaining episodes are like this but I hope so and I hope season 3 is more tense, fun magical adventures
This is what I love about this reboot - the Elders are just older or "elder" witches who have far too much responsibility heaped upon them who have had to fight back against puritanism and witch hunting that nearly wiped them out, as well as demon hoardes, etc.. and other evil magical creatures... it makes them human and ... gray. It gives them nuance.
Even though the Elders did some horrendous things, I thought it was BRILLIANT to connect that to the Salem Witch Trials and the abject fear witches were all living under and the way that drove them to create protectors (whitelighters) at any cost. That's such a superior origin story for Whitelighters vs the Original.
In the OG show, it felt like the Elders were like gods or something and they always seemed so disconnected... and their inhumanity or cruelty or arbitrary application of rules never really had a satisfactory explanation. On the reboot - they're just elder witches figuring it out as they go along. It's just better, imo.
I do hope we get more fun magical adventures like this with true stakes. I loved this episode the pieces.
Agree to disagree about Abigael. I worry about her being paired with Mel because I don't trust the writers not to decenter Mel and focus on Abigael too much. The show has 3 WoC leads and that's a huge reason why I watch. I'm not interested in seeing them marginalized for a white woman actress. Plenty of shows already do that - and I left them for that reason.
Thankfully according to Google Trends, Macy and Maggie still trend super high relative to Abigael, so I don't think she'll ever eclipse them, but I do worry she'll eclipse Mel, who is the weaker of the 3 leads.
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On 12/5/2020 at 4:41 PM, Speakeasy said:
Oh my god Harry, Harry, oh my God, Oh my God, Harry, you're do dumb. How are you this dumb? How have you survived 60 years of demon fighting when a pretty demon girl can make a sad face at you and you just take her at her word for everything? How are you this dumb? How have you or any of the witches under your protection survived at all?
This episode just aired where I am, so that's why this is out of continuity with the rest of the forum.
Harry really was kinda stupid, lol. I loved all the angst but lawd Harry come ON!
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On 12/26/2020 at 6:09 PM, ursula said:
They cast the only POC debutante (or whatever the Regency equivalent is supposed to be) in that role. That’s the problem, especially as you pointed out - her entire storyline was invented for this show. They made all these decisions to repeat the trope of building up a Black woman as desirable so that she can be torn down via Trauma Congo to prop up mediocre white women. The fact that she’s supposed to be a character
who loses in every way in the books - loveless marriage, mental health struggles, death, so that
her husband can have happiness with a white woman is just doubly sickening.
She’s incredible but she’s also a cross between a Sassy Black Woman, and Mammy and Magical Negro so it’s not groundbreaking that she’s a favourite. At least her protégée is a Black man (and the White girl he’s paired with).
Damn - are you serious with how it turns out? Damn! Now I'm even more angry than I was. Of COURSE that's who they race bent. OF COURSE.
I expected more from Shonda Rhymes but I don't know why - she's had problematic plots before. I still haven't forgiven her for how she did Stephanie in the Jackson/Stephanie relationship, and using a much beloved A Different World (like the blackest show ever) plot line to screw her over. How dare she. How DARE she.
So now I don't hold out much hope at all for Bridgerton and I really was hoping they would make things right.
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11 hours ago, Neurochick said:
BTW, where is she today?
Bahahaha! Nowhere.
5 hours ago, Raja said:She had left for her own show which didn't make it past planning or pilot stage and might be headed back to be the Rookie's love interest
I seriously hope they rethink that - that show already has issues and is trying to be better and more sensitive to issues about race. Adding her into the mix after this won't fly well.
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23 hours ago, Dani said:
I really hate the “I’m sorry that’s how they percieve my actions” non-apology.
Larter certainly shouldn’t be let off the hook but I also hope the focus is not entirely on her. It sounds like she was horrible but TPTB had a horrible track record with the other black characters. They basically repeated the exact same pattern with Monica in season 2. That time they didn’t even bother giving the character a conclusion and cut her season 3 wrap-up scenes.
What irritates me the most about all of this is how people keep claiming Ali can't be racist or her irritation can't be racist because she did movies with Idris Elba and Taye Diggs. Those people are misunderstanding the power dynamics. In the variety article, Ali is quoted by Leonard as being upset that his/her magazine cover was the least popular one. Basically she blamed him for "dragging her down" - she was looking to be a breakout star and thought being tied to "the black guy" who wasn't the lead wasn't going to get her there. That's why she was all over her scenes with Milo and doing everything she could to make that work, but she was obviously trying to tank the plot with Leonard.
She had no issues with Idris or Taye because they were mega stars and she hoped they could raise her star level.
So, let's say for the sake of argument that she wasn't being intentionally racist by trying to tank her onscreen costar and her's relationship onscreen so she could be paired with the lead and thus elevate herself. Even if she wasn't being racist, she still didn't do her job and basically created a hostile work environment for her black costar, tanking his role on the show, and setting him up for years of unemployment. He was on a better trajectory before that show - afterwards, his career stalled. The last time I ever saw him was on Charmed (2018 version).
And not for nothing, but I liked Leonard's character so much better than hers and wished her character died on the show instead of his. Ali Larter has always rubbed me the wrong way and now I know why.
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1 hour ago, ursula said:
I just rewatched Independence Day and it occurred to me that if the 2 kids (Will Smith’s stepson Dylan, and the President’s daughter Pat) were white, it would be easy to ship their older selves. Sure enough, I checked out tv tropes for Intel on the sequel (never watched it, never will) and they basically invent a White Dylan to be a couple with Pat, with Dylan as their mutual Black Best Friend. It’s weird how racism is both so complicated and yet so predictable.
Yeah that was SOOOO completely obvious in its racism it was disgusting. That movie was garbage anyway.
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Yoooo Freeform is about to be lit: https://deadline.com/2020/12/freeform-promotes-jamila-hunter-hires-quibi-docs-chief-jihan-robinson-1234651440/
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6 hours ago, Neurochick said:
I think This is Us handles it better because Randall actually does have his own storyline. His character isn't there for the sole purpose of enlightening the white folks.
Yeah. Topher Grace has a new tv show on CBS I think where there is a black female character who is the wife of his character's sister and I just said "no" and backed out of the news article.
I'm just so tired and exhausted with tv that centers whiteness. When I think of the "newness" we got from shows like Watchmen, that didn't center whiteness and how original it was, I want more of that and less of the same old same old with minority characters propping up the white ones so the showrunners/producers can check a diversity box.
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On 11/13/2019 at 9:35 AM, Ray Adverb said:
I liked the first season because it was kind of a spy thriller. It centered around Washington and was plenty political, but it felt like that took a back seat to the main theme of unraveling this mystery.
Then after that was done, it became more and more political in nature and it started to lose me.
I agree here - I really loved the first season because it was like 24 meets The West Wing or Scandal and that was just so fun and exciting. It was a big premise show and to go from THAT to a boring political drama just really irritated me. But the problem with high concept shows is that it's hard to keep up the massive suspense without jumping the shark... so a lot of shows just either fizzle out or convert to boring drama.
I think DS could have made it if they'd really sat down to think through how to keep the suspense and drama up. They should have grabbed some writers from 24 or Scandal. There's plenty they could have done to keep the suspense element going and it's a shame they didn't.
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Cassie and her absolutely hideous style on full display over on Apartment Therapy: https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/winner-of-interior-design-masters-cassie-nicholsons-victorian-home-in-bristol-36837229#comments-36837229
The house tour literally gave me Show PTSD and made me mad all over again at the show's outcome.
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On 11/19/2020 at 3:47 PM, Primal Slayer said:
The core 4 are boring imo as a core. Donna and Garth (if he hadnt been killed) were a lot more interesting and would be a better focus with Dick/Kory.
Hmmm, I found Garth problematic as a character, tbh, 😕
I am glad they will probably (I'm guessing) bring Donna back. I loved her friendship with Kory. But I am happy about a return to the Core 4 because that's what I signed up for when I started watching and the show just never delivered properly. I am not saying don't have other characters, but let the Core 4 have some shine - especially Gar and Kory, who have been shafted by the writing for 2 seasons now.
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Don't know if you guys saw this, but Anna Diop says they are going to finally focus more on the "Core 4" Titans (Dick, Kory, Rachel and Gar) in S3:
https://fault-magazine.com/2020/11/anna-diop-the-titan-cover-shoot-and-interview/
I REALLY hope this is true.
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On 11/12/2020 at 4:53 PM, Bruinsfan said:
What I don't get, this is a world with an active Wonder Woman, right? How is Deathstroke running around free five years after butchering an entire delegation of Amazons and repeatedly stabbing Donna Troy rather than being either in the ground or caught and bundled off to Paradise Island for whatever justice its society cares to impose? I don't care how loyal or blasé Wintergreen is, he wouldn't be keeping any secrets about Slade Wilson from Diana.
Does Donna's lasso make people tell the truth? Or is it only Diana's? And yes, you make a great point - a lot of this stuff wouldn't have happened. Like Aquaman wouldn't have shown up when Aqualad was killed.
It's always a problem with shows like this... for really earth shattering stuff or stuff where someone important dies, the bigger JL heroes should show up or some mention of them should happen so it's not so disjointed.
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On 10/18/2020 at 6:03 AM, Starry said:
Patty was a recurring character but it wouldn't be unusual for a guest star to be upgraded to series regular if they are a hit with the audience and/or TPTB. Kreisberg strikes me as someone who wanted to play with multiple romances involving his leads. He tried it with Caitlin but that didn't work out for a variety of reasons and pulled the same crap with Kara and Winn on Supergirl. I also seem to remember that Oliver had way too many love interests when he was more involved with the show.
I am not sure in how many episodes Patty was supposed to be but the rest of TPTB could have overrun Kreisberg on his decision. They must have also thought it was for the best to end the Patty arc when they did.
Caitlin isn't a lead - but AJK did try to make her into the lead. I'm so glad he failed and that he's gone. Those were hellish times to be Iris fans - the constant disrespect to CP was so rage inducing.
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On 10/12/2020 at 7:24 PM, Charmedgirl2526 said:
On season 2 now! ( the wedding episode) Mel told Maggie, Harry told her he had feelings for Maggie.. when did he tell her that? totally missed that episode!
It was at the end of S2 Episode 5 (The Truth about Kat and Dogs).
Details:
Maggie and Mel use a banned locator spell to track down Macy's location and Harry uncovers his psychic link to his Darklighter Jimmy (the psychic link happens to be a memory about Macy) to find Macy himself. Harry then goes back to find Mel/Maggie in the command center and they put in the coordinates they got from the banned spell but it doesn't show a witch in danger. Mel/Maggie ask why Macy isn't in peril and Harry says because the darklighter has feelings for her. They ask how he knows that and he says "because he (Harry) has feelings for her and for better or worse, he and the darklighter are the same".
Hope this helps!
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On 10/13/2020 at 1:21 PM, Avabelle said:
I really hope that is the end of Parker. He and Maggie are too young to pull of the Phoebe/Cole dynamic they’re going for, the chemistry isn’t all that and the actor playing Parker is awful. In comparison Jordan is a breath of fresh air.
I love Jordan and the fun, happy spark (breath of fresh air is a great way to describe him) he brings to the show.
To be honest, I think Harry pulls off that Cole dynamic in a far more compelling way than Parker - Harry is almost like a combination of Cole & Leo when you consider his darklighter part/half that eventually you know he's going to merge with. The show was smart to lean into Rupert Evans' considerable talent and the Hacy dynamic.
I liked Parker - but I never found the actor playing him to be all that compelling and he drags Sarah down in their scenes, imo. She seems ... infantile when with Parker, but more grown up with Jordan, although I worry about his character surviving S3.
S03.E01: An Inconvenient Truth
in Charmed (2018)
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Harry hasn’t known them since they were children - he only met Macy once when she was college aged. And then Marisol apparently wiped his memory.
No way will this show scrap Hacy - they are invested in them long term, but I do see them breaking up for exactly that reason. I think one of TCOs will die (and be brought back) and Harry won’t be able to handle it and will break things off. Couple that with him potentially merging with Jimmy and that’s a volatile mix that will likely cause a Hacy rift - but of course they are gonna come back to one another.
The showrunners have as much as said so - that Hacy is going to have trials and tribulations and a bumpy road to OTP bliss - they did an interview on YouTube talking about this. They’re totally the new Piper/Leo
Now I wonder if Abby and her sister (obviously a Jameson) are part of the dark trio the ghost witch mentioned in her riddle to Jordan.
My one hope for S3 (which really doesn’t start for real until episode 4) is they center the sisters together more. I think they need just a few more MOTW battles to show them together using their magic and the po3.
I liked seeing Maggie mess up Mel in that way - it was reminiscent of OG Charmed with their lack of control over their powers leading to situations like that. But - I have to say - Mel D is not a good actress. Her playing “giddy” was awful and her “meh” wasn’t that great either. TBH - the way she did the “he’s why we are stuck HERE, WITCHNESS PROTECTION” was done with such an odd inflection. She takes me out of any scene where she has to show emotion beyond simple sadness or sarcasm. She had gotten better over S2 but her scenes in this episode were awful - all except the one with Jimmy where she was going off on him (but I suspect that is because RE is that good he elevated her).