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I had no idea the second season had dropped. I perhaps should have recapped the 1st season, because I had forgotten about several characters and what their story arcs were. The premiere zoomed on right past the immediate aftermath of the previous season's cliffhanger it seemed, with the Mary character dying offscrean (I had not read anything about the character not coming back.) There wasn't anything I could recall disliking; Lilith's arc was very interesting to me, although she would disappear for periods before coming back at inopportune times on Adriel's behalf. I could undestand how she would feel compelled to follow him, as he was the only one who gave her any answers about what she was becoming (and even then, Adriel had to admit he didn't entirely know.)
I didn't quite realize where the writers were going with Ava and Beatrice until Camille pointed it out. I don't think there had been any previous hints about either character's sexuality, or any previous hints about the two of them. Either way, it was a nice little subplot that didn't overwhelm.
I did like how Father Vincent became the season's wild card. He had been an honest true believer in Adriel, and didn't have the demon possession to use as an excuse, and was eventually swayed by Adriel's methods, although he was wavering a little before that, after his confrontation with Mother Superior ("I want to believe you're not doing this of your own free will, that you're being controlled somehow").
And perhaps I need to go re-watch, but a couple of things about the finale still confuse me. How was Ava able to summon the gatekeeper creatures? And why was the Arc portal open for Ava to go through it? Didn't it close when the cross was destroyed? Why did Lilith say there was a holy war coming?
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Finally got around to watching this tonight. I figured since the 2nd half is premiering in a month, I should figure out if I liked this enough to keep watching. Just when I think I know where things might go, the writers throw a curve ball. This episode was a wipeout slider.
I figured based on the ending of the pilot that True wasn't exactly who we thought she was. I had sort of thought she was an alien from the ship everyone saw that crashed, and had put themselves in True's body at her point of death. As it turns out, I wasn't entirely wrong. (I became suspicious early on when the Begger King threatened to cut her face up, and she just responded with "that's not my face.")
I had to read a few reviews to really get a grip on what was shown here-this was particularly helpful;
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/the-nevers-part-1-ending-explained/
I probably shouldn't, but I like the guy who plays Lord Gilbert Massen, and I'm at a loss to explain exactly why, but I find myself very interested when he's onscreen. In fact, I don't think there's a character that I dislike. I have to give the actress playing Maladie credit...it's difficult to play such a mentally instable character without going compltely over the top.
Overall, there's a lot to work with here, and I'm curious to see where the showrunners (now minus Whedon) will go with it.
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I watched the "Give Him The Chair" episode, in which Frasier tries to replace Martin's chair with a massage chair (that Daphne develops a particular fondness for), and Martin explains to Frasier exactly why he likes that chair and well......anyone would feel awful for taking it away after hearing them.
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Watching "A Midwinter Night's Dream", I did not realize how Niles came 'this' close to kissing Daphne. Somehow I hadn't remembered that part. (Before his glockenspiel sprung to life, of course...)
I love how Daphne misinterpreted hearing Niles' speech about Maris' extrofilated face and laughing at people who wear white after Labour Day, as "excruciating" and "laughing at white people".
BTW, I read that DHP, before becoming an actor, wanted to be a concert pianist, so any time he's playing on the show, it's for real, and he's still quite good at it...
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Niles and Daphne should be sending Frasier thank you cards every single year, for the role he played in their relationship. He did accidently slip to Daphne how Niles felt about her, but he later took on a more active role; he stepped in the night of Daphne's wedding, and timing be damned, pushed Niles and Daphne towards each other. He simply couldn't stand by and watch these two people be involved with others when they should have at least the opporutunity to experience each other. (Ultimately, Daphne was the one who allowed things to happen, but still..) Then, when Niles was threatening to sabotage things before they really got started, Frasier sat him down and gave him much needed advice (which, to Niles' credit, took to hear, MUCH to his benefit).
Frasier, for all his eccentricities, was above all, someone always willing to help his family and his friends, and often, go the extra mile to do so.
On 11/4/2022 at 6:05 PM, TheLastKidPicked said:When things aren't going so well, the same episodes are a little bit sad.
Right now, the Frasier's Edge episode sticks with me, both because of Frasier's sad declaration that he doesn't know how to help himself, and his procliaming he had no idea what to do with the rest of his life, because both things apply to me right now.
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And, of course, this...
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From Season 5-"The Ski Lounge"-an episode full of mismatched lusting for everyone involved...well, almost everyone...describing in words doesn't do the best moment justice...
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And now, onto the funny lines. I forget the name of this episode, but there's one where there's some kind of present mixup for Frederick, and Frasier says to Niles "Do you realize what this means?" and he replies with "Yes...the Cranes of Maine have got your living brain!" DHP delivery of that is perfect.
Daphne's random non sequitors in regards to her family were always good for a laugh.
"Eat your veggies, they'll be no brussell sprouts in hell! Have a lie down, they'll be NO-O-O-O naps in hell!"
And of course, any interaction with Niles and Daphne that Frasier witnesses..
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More sad moments
"Goodbye Maris....I hope you have a good life...."-Niles truly giving up on his marriage with Maris
"I will NOT have those words put in my mouth! I loved both of you boys..."-Martin, angry at Niles depiction of him and his attitude towards his children.
Niles, quietly answering Donny's question about what Daphne's hair smells like.
"Under the right circumstances, anybody can be fooled"-Niles, after his infamous dance with Daphne, where she congratulates him on putting up such a good "act."
The part in Don Juan In Hell, where Frasier realize that he is, and always has been, responsible for his romantic predicament.
"Oh, I love ya, Doctor Crame..." "I love you too, Daphne..."
Daphne's quiet, resigned "No..." when the counseller asks her if she truly believes she believes Donna is the one she wanted to marry.
Frasier's warning to Niles about his idealizing of Daphne. "
Because if it does turn out that Daphne isn't perfect, maybe things won't work out. Then not only will you lose Daphne, but you will have spent the last seven years...chasing a fantasy.."
And finally, Frasier's reciting of Tennysen's poem during the finale-the way it seagues into his final radio show, surrounded by almost everyone, saying goodbye to not only his radio audience, but us...
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What are your picks for the saddest moments in Frasier?
There's a scene where Frasier is talking with his mentor about his unhappiness with his life, who then advises Frasier to talk to himself as if he were someone calling his radio show, before eventually giving up and saying..."I'm sorry caller....I can't help you." Wow. It's even sadder when Frasier accepts his award at the end, and can only say "Thank you for honoring my life. I just wish I knew what to do with the rest of it."
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I've read that the wrtiers never had Maris appear on-screen, because they had essentially made the character a carnicarture that no actor could possibly portray. Mel was the closest we got to seeing how Maris was probably like, as she seemingly had a lot of the same characterirstics. Like Maris, she was attractive and smart enough to get Niles into her orbit, and good at manipulating him to her advantage, and they allowed you to see how Niles could find himself involved with someone like that. Like Maris, no one except Niles seemed to like her. Probably every woman in NIles's life were probably similar, with Niles having a personality that allowed himselt to continuously be pushed around by them. Daphne was probably the first women he's met that didn't try to cockhold or control him.
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I liked the "Hot Pursuit" episode (not for the least bit Roz looked rather fetching blonde). Roz almost looks sad at the end of it that their coupling wasn't happening...at least that's how I saw it.
On another note, I re-watched "Daphne Hates Sherry", which convinced me more that Daphne knew, one some level, how Niles felt for her, although at that point she was probably responding more to Sherry's suggestion that she just go out and get laid, and Niles appeared to be the best option. She was being more than a tad suggestive with him. Although the funninest part of that, was how Frasier pointed out that on some level Niles didn't want to go through with it, because all he had to do was fill her thyriod prescription himself, rather than have Daphne go back home.
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Am I wrong in thinking that, of all the women Frasier was involved with, perhaps the best one for him was Roz? Think about it...Roz was very familiar with Frasier's various quirks, and could not only take his shit, but throw it right back at him. The only other woman in his life that could really do that, was Lilith. Some might have thought their sleeping together was a huge mistake plot wise. I didn't think so. Frasier, being Frasier, made an overly big deal about it when it happened, but Roz didn't seem to mind so much (in fact, made it known to Frasier how good he was at certain things).
Roz, as a character, was probably a tough one to pull off. You had a female character that was very sexually active, never tried to hide it, and more than that, never once apologized for it. There were tones of jokes made at her expense in regards to her sex life. But if that was her definining characteristic, the character would never have worked. She wasn't stupid, wasn't unlikeable. And at several points, was shown as being someone who wanted to have a nice, happy relationship, like everyone else (Remember how upset she got about her ex in "Frasier Has Spokane") Just goes to show how good Peri was in that role.
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There's one episode where Mel is telling Daphne all the nice things about Niles (with Daphone smiling at the mention of every one of them), and she says she believed Niles could be an even better man only he trusted someone enough to bring out the best in him. Which, of course, was what Daphne ended up doing.
Niles, after years of being able to say or do the right thing at the right time, then started to actually do so. right when he needed to. (After a little prodding from Frasier, of course). He needed to say something to calm Daphne's worries about being the "other woman", and told her the honest truth. He had planned an elaborate proposal, but decided to do it very simply, and when Daphne was sick (In sickness and in health, and all that). He planned on having a big wedding because Daphne wanted that, but as soon as she explained she wanted to elope and get married quickly, off he went with her without a word of protest. And Daphne was probably the first woman he'd been with that never tried to change or control him.
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I watched "Back Talk" armed with the knowledge it was the episode where Daphne finds out about Niles (and I sought it out specifically for that reason), so I didn't react with the same surprise the studio audience, or anyone watching live must have when drugged-out Frasier lets the cat so casually out of the bag. One might have thought a dopey Frasier might come out with something he shouldn't, but by the end, things seem to be cleared up, and the audience might have suspected Fraiser would pass out before answering Daphne's question, but he does, and Daphne spends the rest of the season emotionally tied into knots.
Even going into the finale, people must have wondered if the writers were actually going to follow through. I had stopped watching for a season or two, but found myself watching the S7 finale , and I thought for certain the writers would find some way to keep the two apart. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when they didn't. There were a few bumps in the road, but after they got together, the writers let them stay together. That, to me, was even more surprising...
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One thing that always strikes me about this show when I go back to watch the early episodes, was how fully formed it was from the start. There's no midstream course corrections, no main characters that get dropped because they aren't workng. They also never suffered the loss (until after it was over) of any main actor, nor do I remember there ever really being even a slight chance someone would leave.
I'm not sure how I feel about the revival. I haven't really gone out of my way to find out anything about it, or really who exactly will be involved. I do know it doesn't involve the original showrunners. That could prove to be the best thing about it involving people who can put a fresh spin on things. There are dozens of good stories that can be told, a million variables to explore. Don't have the charactes stuck in time like they were in Gilmore Girls...
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Some cosidered it ridiculous that Daphne could have been so unaware of Niles feelings, for so long. From personal experience, I can tell you it's not so far fetched. I have seen women seemingly act interested in me, but I dimissed it because I absolutely could NOT believe they'd want "me", or thought I had nothing to offer them, so it would be foolish to entertain such silly thoughts. Daphne more than likely always thought someone of Niles intelligence and social standing would never have interest in someone like herself. I would have been as equally shocked as her had I discovered someone supposedly out of my league had actually liked me for that long. Having gotten over that shock, I most likely would have started thinking to myself "you big idiot! ".
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I can't get over the way Daphne reacts to Niles at the end of "Back Talk". Niles can tell immediately something's different, but at that time, doesn't know exactly what...he says it's her hair. Then as he walks away, the look she gives him....I caption it as "what the hell am I supposed to do now?".
18 minutes ago, Ailianna said:Martin and Ronnie. They were together for a while before getting married in the finale.
Ah, I will have to do a rewatch of the last episodes, I seemed to have forgotten that...
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4 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
I still like "The Office" and "Friends" for a couple of seasons after two of the big couples get together. If the writing for the shows were bad, I agree, it's not the fault of the big romantic pairing.
I agree, if the show's quality went down after that, it was because the writers (whether all the original ones had left or not) perhaps had run out of ideas when it came to most of the characters. The change in the Daphne/Niles relationship gave them new angles to tackle in regards to them, which they did take advantage of. But everyone else always seem to always revert back to the status quo (except perhaps for Roz, with her daughter, but even that didn't seem to change her or her lifestyle that much at all.)
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I hear a lot of people always complaining when a "will they/won't they" relationship is allowed to happen, that "ruins" things. Horseshit. The "curse of Moonlighting" always comes up, and I'm tired of hearing about it. If the show goes to shit after a UST relationship happens, it's the fault of the writers for failing to keep it interesting. Neither Daphne nor Niles became uninteresting after they got together. There's only so long you can throw roadblocks in the way of such a pairing until it gets beyond silly. Good on the writers for, once putting those two together, for allowing them to stay that way.
Besides, it wasn't the main romantic arc of the show. For those into prolonged romantic frustration, the show was more than happy to never allow Frasier any long-term romantic success for the show's duration. Come to think of it, I don't think anyone else did...
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By the way, sorry for being a comment hog-I just got back into watching Frasier, and when I like shows, I feel the need to talk a lot about them. :)
I liked that when Daphne and Niles did get together, there were more than a few issues that needed to be ironed out (aside from both abruptly leaving suitors behind). One of them was Daphne's fear about Niles's idealized vision of her, which led her to overeat. But it was a legitimate thing for her to feel insecure about. And Niles 'was' still idolizing her, unable to see any fault in her whatsoever. In a way, that was sweet, but unhealthy.
Another legitimate fear was her being the "other woman". Niles quickly resolved that just by teling the truth-he had always thought about her no matter who he was with, and now that he was with her, he still did. He made it very clear he would never have been with anyone else if he'd known he could have her.
By the way, I'm watching S07E05 "The Dog That Rocks The Cradle", and there's the scene where the Frasier brothers purchase their Dad's future grave (as well as their own). I wonder, in the revival, if they will pay their Dad a visit there...who's on the right, because the left was his wife's side of the bed...
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Some people hate "Rooms With A View". I can understand partly why-maybe people think of it as being the dreaded "very special episode", but to me, it doesn't play like that. The framing devce of the hospital "remembering" past visits was a nice concept, but it doesn't beat us to death over it.
In regards to the ending; Daphne's supposed psychic abilities were downplayed later in the series, but notice the way she pulls herself together, then calmly walks past a room that shows her and Niles in the future welcoming a 2nd child. It was like she saw or sensed that, and just knew in that second things would turn out just fine. At least, that's how I read it..
"Daphne, daphne, daphne..."
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13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
Flesh is burning,
Nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh.
Strange thing, once you hear that, you keep hearing it your head.......
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One of the series best early running gags was Daphne's random comments about her family that made everyone go "WTF?" "Eat your veggies, they'll be no brussel sprouts in hell! Have a lie down, they'll be NOOOOOO naps in hell!"
9 hours ago, Annber03 said:I love the moment when, after Martin finishes telling that story of his hellish plane ride* that involved them sliding down some foam thing or whatever, Niles responds with, "So...these stewardesses, were they also covered in foam?" XD.
Niles was so wound up, he was going after literally any female that came his way..including Roz --"Roz, I never noticed what a perky walk you have...", culminating in Frasier's perfectly timed splashing of Niles with water...
I sometimes wonder how often the actors went directly to the writers and asked "how the hell did you come up with this?"
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Warrior Nun - General Discussion
in Warrior Nun
I remember thinking about how sad of a story the Ava character had. Losing her mother and being paralyzed in an accident, then being killed by nurse who thought of herself as an angel of death. That's f**cking horrible the more you think about it. I love watching Ava's unbridled joy at being able to experience things-(walking, the feeling of sand and water on bare feet,etc) she hadn't been able to do in years.
It also surprised me to discover the lead actress is Portugese, and this was her first English role, because I can never hear at any time a trace of an accent in her voice.