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Shaw, from 511
"I have made a decision-this simulation SUCKS!"
"I missed on purpose, jackass!"
"Most of all, I'm angry that you have people you can love, and you chose to sign their death warrant."
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So...the Machine said the virus Harold got could cause massive collateral damage. What kind exactly? It's insinuated that the Machine would suffer as well. If simply letting loose a virus was the key to stopping Samaritan, chances are Harold would have done it by now. So in addition to taking out both Samaritan and the Machine, what if it destroys the whole world's network? That would cause some trouble. Or maybe Samaritan-sensing that its end is coming, will take things out on the general population before it goes...
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If there's room for a spinoff, there's room for the originals.
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Hopefully someday soon they can all give Root-like her friend Hannah-a proper burial.
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This season is having SO many callbacks and references to the previous seasons
Also--SS has such long hair-it's really nice when she gets to dress up.
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"Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean she's not grieving"
Reese knows a bit about this sort of thing.
Although it's really going to fuck her up to hear the Machine with Root's voice. You know it's gonna happen sometime.
Despite what some people seem to think, the Machine is NOT Root. She can replicate Root's mannerisms, but it's very clear it's the Machine speaking. One theme of this episode is-how do two supposedly unfeeling entities (The Machine, Shaw) grieve for someone's loss?
And about Team Machine 2.0-I'm wondering if the machine has been cultivating teams all over the place, all waiting for the Machine's go ahead to go on the offensive...and collectively they'll cause some damage.
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10 minutes ago, ABay said:
Somewhere back in the first or second season, I remember discussion about the Machine recruiting more people so it's nice to see that it has, and especially nice that some of them are previous numbers.
I believe this was from S4, after Shaw was captured, that Root floated the idea that perhaps they should be looking for more people to help them out. Finch couldn't believe she'd want to do that after losing Shaw...
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So, Root is really dead.
Only from Fusco would "Cocoa Puffs" be seen as a term of endearment.
Shaw is grieving, but in her own way. For one, she doesn't show up to Root's (numbered) grave. Instead, she's seen moping at the roundabout, still checking to see the chip is still in her, still convinced this is all a simulation yet again. She wants it to be, so she openly goads Samaritan into taking her again, just so she can "reset." Unfortunately, Sameen, this is real. Then Reese sees the package the machine got her, and starts talking about Root-"the machine's using Root's identities now that she's..."-and Shaw disgustedly crumples everything and throws it to the ground. She Machine still wants her to play hero, and she can't believe it has the gall to ask her to do that.
Then there was that scene with the waiter guy. "You have people that you can love and you chose to sign their death warren." Legitimate connections with people are rare with Shaw, and she despises anyone who could take that for granted...
Then finally, at the end, she feels good enough to mention Root's name-"that's what Root would have wanted". A wee little crack in the armour.
1 hour ago, Agent Dark said:I had the same reaction, but then it got me thinking about how Root identifies. Harold routinely calls her Ms. Groves without much of an argument from her. In fact the only time I can recall her actually getting defensive about her name (and correct me if I'm wrong) is in God Mode, when she and Harold walk into the Nuclear Power Plant only to find The Machine gone. She's quite upset that she thinks Harold lied to her, she wasn't able to physically be with The Machine (not to mention that she'd run out of admin access too and wasn't hearing The Machine in her ear anymore) and when he calls her Ms. Groves she snaps "My name is ROOT" back at him - its a regression of the partnership they'd established whilst searching for The Machine.
I agree. I don't think, after Root started working with Finch, that she ever objected to him calling her Miss Groves again...
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Parts of the POI fandom have collectively lost their minds over this episode, it seems. It's certainly a divisive one-people either loved it or absolutely hated it, there seems to be no in between. Mostly noise about Root dying. Yes, the rug was pulled out from under us, and most people did not expect the show to kill of such a major character well before the finale. Considering all the mayhem in this episode, it's a surprise ANYONE lived the see the end of it.
It does speak to the character, and the actor, though, if people are that upset. Hell, I was upset. Is it fair? No. Did I want Root and Shaw to have more playful banter? Yeah. Was it a cheap stunt? Hell no. How many times has even Root cheated death already? How many times has she said the Machine, Harold, Shaw, everybody, means more to her than her own life? So I can accept that eventually it would happen in the most heartbreaking way. Is it going to impact all the characters going forward? I would hope so-I don't want to go three more episodes without characters acknowledging Root's passing, how it affects them.
In fact, I praise the showrunners for having the balls to go through with it. They must have known how upset part of the fandom would be, yet they didn't shy away from this.
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I find it funny that people are reading spoilers online from rather, how shall we say, dubious origins, and are taking it as gospel. I swear, the internet has collectively lost its mind the last week. Has anybody heard about them?
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Like I said-I'm fairly certain Root is dead. Seemed pretty final to me. But yeah, I'd like to see how Root-as-machine's voice will play out
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I see people now posting their therioes that Root is alive, that her "death" is a ruse to get Finch to act more aggressively. I suppose that could be possible, but for me things felt rather final. To find out that Root is alive would take away some of the power of this episode-although one could say the same about "If-Than-Else"-we found out Shaw was alive aftewards, but that still doesn't lesson that episode's impact. Again, I don't think it's a trick the showrunners have up their sleeve, but I believe at the time of "The Crossing" they filmed shots of Fusco getting shot, to throw people off-Nolan called it "the big lie". Maybe they're pulling another one, and if so, they're being darn convincing. I don't think things are going to turn out like that. But I wouldn't be all that surprised, either....
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I looked up the meaning of the title in Wikipedia. , and it's a figure of speech in which a person applies a human element to a non-human object. An example would be calling an old person a "greybeard" or to refer to champagne as "bubbles". So it's referencing referring to the machine as "she", or perhaps the machine using Root's voice..
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Root talked with Harold at length about the need to give the Machine a voice, a name, unleash it to it's full potential, etc. Immediately after that she dies and it was enough to push him into doing exactly that. Despite the interviews and the fact that Root's death was telegraphed throughout the entire episode, a part of me is wondering if (hoping) she or the Machine faked her death to finally push Harold to free the machine (or if she is really dead, the Machine could have sacrificed Root to accomplish the same).
Interesting point. Although I have another theory. Samaritan had the sniper target Finch, put him in a spot where Root would see him at the last minute. Then it could have predicted Root would sweve to have the shot hit her and not Finch. Thus, the actual target was Root.
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Well, if the writers say they left the series' finale open enough to continue the story, then somebody has to be left standing. My bet is on Shaw.
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It took me a while before I could write anything coherent about this. I'm shocked (although not entirely surprised) that Root died. She was always going to die for Harold and/or the Machine, and she did. There was no way everyone-or possibly anyone-was going to get a happy ending here, and unfortunately not for her and Shaw either-although they did have some moments before things went to shit. Root's admission to Shaw that for the first time in a long time, she felt like she belonged, was a part of something, was a big moment. After all this time, she'd found some sort of peace. The surprising thing about Root's death was how they revealed it-Finch thought he was talking to her, but was talking to the Machine, taking the voice of Root, followed by the shot in the morgue. Some people thought there was trickerly afoot, that this was a fake-out, but it seemed very final to me.
And boom goes the dynamite. Finch has finally had enough. His monolouge about breaking his own rules was chilling. ME is awesome. Finch unhinged is not going to be pretty. Samaritan has fucked with him and his family one too many times.
Shaw's reaction to Root's death was a little muted, but I chalk that up to her going into warrior mode-pushing it aside for now, to do what needs to be done. You can bet she will unleash scorched earth when the time comes.
An extrodinary hour of tv I won't forget very soon.
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A few more non-spoilery things;
Root has a very odd way of trying to cheer Shaw up.
Shit goes boom.
Root has a very heartbreaking speech. Two of them.
Finch has a speech near the end that is absolutely chilling..
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I've been privilaged enough to see in advance tonight's episode. I will not say anything about it except that things get real quickly, and never let up one second.
And this;
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
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Poor Shaw thinks it's her fault...
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I loved Finch's line to that guy-"That's what I'm going to take from you; your money. ALL of it."
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Question: did anything occur (on screen) between them between the time they both had their guns to their own heads, and when the whole team met by the river ?
Considering Shaw's state of mind right now, I believe, unlike the simulation, Root decided putting the moves on Shaw at this point wouldn't be the best idea. Maybe she just took Shaw somewhere we she could have an honest-to-god peaceful nap for a while.
I really hope they are together for more than next week's ep. The writers have to be well aware of the "kill the lesbian" trope. I can't help but think they'll subvert expectations by having them both live. Maybe they might be the only ones. Maybe Root becomes the new admin for the Machine, carries on Finch's work, and Shaw goes around kicking asses...
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Same goes for Shaw's "you are the only person I could never kill" to Root
I was fine with that. It's old news to us, but not to Root. She had to tell Root just to let her know killing her is a line Shaw would never cross, under any circumstances.
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They had me fooled for a second-based on the opening scene, I was pretty sure Root wouldn't see Shaw until next episode. Glad to see I was wrong.
I liked that Root was all "who the fuck keeps beating me to the punch", and it turned out to be Shaw, being a one-woman Samaritan agent killing machine. The real-life reunion was played rather well, I thought. I liked how Shaw admitted (thought not at first) how the one person she could consistently not kill was Root, and would rather kill herself now then let that happen for real. I wasn't expecting Root to threaten to off herself, although it makes sense she'd go to extreme lengths to prove to Shaw this was NOT a simulation.
The group gathering at the end was a bit more subdued than I thought it would be, although the sight of all five of them by the river, together at last, gave me a hint of optimism, which has been in short supply lately. I take the muted reaction by the others as being they are glad Shaw is back, but they all (except for Root) have doubts about if she can be trusted right now. And the look on Shaw's face seemed to indicate she knows that...
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I wonder if Shaw's big contribution to the team once she makes it back to NYC will be to tell Finch to lead or get out of the way: Help the Machine get what it needs, read Fusco in so he can make his own decision whether to stand with them, and then do something to at least stop Samaritan from tightening its grip.
I think that too. Shaw would insist on going on the offensive, especially after what she's gone though, not to mention be pissed off with how they are keeping Fusco in the dark.
More Fusco-Shaw interaction. Nobody's really talked a lot about that, but it's one of the pleasures of the show we haven't had in a while..
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S05.E11: Synecdoche
in Person Of Interest [V]
There's that too...