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Back when I used to watch soaps, all the rich people - both at home and in the office- had these glass water pitchers and accompanying glasses just sitting out. Who does that? They also have tea/coffee service sets.
My work does this though. But only in the conference rooms and they have conferences at least 2 times a day and the people attending are very busy so I think it gets used and isn't a waste.
But at home? Yeah that is not happening.
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I love Callisto, loved Autolycus....even Salmoneous.
My ultimate favorite is One Against An Army. Can't explain it.
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Regardless of whether the India arc was good - the controversy about it was over the top.
Didn't it also start the christ/eli stuff? I liked it because it was different...and it looked like they had bought everything from Bali I want in my house
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3 hours ago, Bastet said:
But Athena (assuming that's the Sharon who fulfilled her mission by getting pregnant by Helo but then sided with the humans against the cylons) already exists by the time Boomer dies and downloads.
Yep - but Boomer is dead by the time anyone asks Athena if she has her memories. So I think Athena having her memories is a combination of Boomer transmitting memories while she is a sleeper, which no other cylon has been and so may not have had a reason to transmit anything, like the Leoban and D'Anna and then her memories as a bulk download when she dies - that do go to all the Eights. I think given the Cylon bend towards unity, they don't have individuality or individual memories while they are all connected. So what happens to one model, happens to all of that model. I think the Gina!Six was different because she couldnt download and so the rest of the Sixes don't know - like a computer file lost forever.
3 hours ago, Bastet said:And the production company/network submitted her for Best Actress consideration this second season of Battlestar, with Lay Down Your Burdens Part 2 as the "For Your Consideration" episode. In which she is astounding, even considering her norm, and for which she was not even nominated, while network dross like Mariska Hargitay was. It's a disgrace.
Ahh right. Well, the network should have stopped meddling. But I think, from vague memories of cons, that the actors were well aware of the bias toward sci-fi and never really bothered to go for it hammer and tong - like the big networks did.
3 hours ago, Bastet said:Well, shouldn't he?
Should he though? Was there a rule against it before the attacks? It isn't mentioned on the show from what I can tell. Doesn't seem to be a rule against two pilots going at it - and they get to arm themselves with planes. And as much as holding onto the old way of life is realistic, there would naturally be some bending after 2-ish years. I know that Tigh came down on Tyrol and Boomer in season 1, but that seemed more about her being an officer (and bad pilot, and sketchy) and he being enlisted - but there is no mention as to whether two officers or two enlisted are against any rules. Hell, Helo knocks up a cylon - if that isn't grounds for treason or consorting with an enemy I don't see them getting bent out of shape by a commander and an XO. Or it could be like Major Crimes - as long as it is disclosed, no problemo.
But also - I do love Adama so I say this with love - there would be no way he'd come down on Lee even if it were against the rules. Considering what he lets both Lee and Starbuck pull, Adama would probably just be happy Lee is only shagging his XO. Adama has giant blind spots and this would probably come down in that.
I think it is the Zephyr. Not sure if the interior is ever seen though.
Razor is more about the Cain of it all. The Plan is more cylon-focused. Not sure when that aired. Neither is really required viewing for the series as a whole IMO.
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On 02/01/2018 at 6:36 AM, Bastet said:
Yikes, the Admiral Cain arc is disturbing. I know, this show is often disturbing, but add in what happened to the Six on Pegasus and what happens to Sharon and, yikes. And it's so very typical of the tone/events of this show that when the Pegasus shows up, everyone is cheering, and by the end of the first episode, the two ships are launching vipers at each other; they didn't waste any time lulling us into a false sense of security, did they?
I loved the Pegasus/Resurrection Arc. I also loved the Home arcs and all that came before (Especially the blackbird being dedicated to Laura). But when Cain showed up it felt like things were back to the brutal 33-esque show. And obviously we were supposed to think that Cain's way of life would have happened with Adama if not for Laura demanding the fleet be protected (Nice touch having Tigh be appalled after his foray into military rule) - but a lesser show would have made that explicit (and probably said by Apollo!). And then spinning it around so killing Cain is Laura's idea. And she talks the military man into it. And clearly Billy is not involved in that! This arc also cemented Tricia Helfer as awesome - no way you'd ever confuse Caprica!Six, Head!Six or Gina. Hard to watch but she was great in it. Also Sharon. I just love love love all three of those episodes.
I think after the Cain arc, the network demanded more standalones (I may have got that off the commentary). And I resented it. Although season 2 had double the episodes so who knows if the creators would have sped things up if not or what would have happened. I also loved Epiphanies - I love Roslin though, so not a surprise. Especially seeing her pre-attack. I think MM broke a rib while dying so more power to her. I knew the cure was a Duex Ex Machina but it kept Roslin so I didn't care that much....
I hated that Billy died - I wanted him and Tory to be Roslin's voices of conscience (I mean, Adama has Apollo and Starbuck, so I felt it appropriate Laura also bring two kids to the relationship!).
On 07/01/2018 at 5:44 AM, Bastet said:Well, Laura has been a busy bee in the next two episodes - banning abortion and stealing a baby. It certainly does make for interesting TV, to have those be the actions of the presidential candidate I'm rooting for.
I both loved and hated this. But, this show sucks in that you fully understand why Roslin bans abortion, that Baltar makes a good point in opposition. Only by seeing Roslin hate it makes me still like her, even if I get that pragmatism wins out. I probably side with Baltar on this issue. But still. And also the baby out the airlock line is pretty gold.
I liked Downloaded - less for the Anders and more for Caprica, Eight and Three. But I do love Lucy Flawless, so there is bias there.
9 hours ago, Bastet said:Wow. I'm very curious what reaction at the time was to the "One year later" ending of season two.
I think mine was something like "The f*ck waiting a year for season 3" (I am in Australia and it takes a million years for anything to happen. Also, I was in uni, so I don't recall being particularly eloquent). I don't think there were any spoilers, and it was before twitter so the conspiracy theories abounded.
I hated that Roslin lost, that she lost to Baltar, that she tried to steal it. Thought Adama was a bit OTT with the whole "cancer will spread to the heart" thing but I got it.
9 hours ago, Bastet said:Holy crap, I cannot believe Mary McDonnell didn't even get nominated for an Emmy for the finale! (Bias against a sci-fi show on basic cable?) That was an incredible performance.
No one did - I think it is bias but also I don't think any actor actively campaigned for it (Don't know if MM campaigned for an emmy for The Closer but she did get a nom there I think?)
9 hours ago, Bastet said:How does the Sharon whose mission was to get with Helo have the memories of the sleeper agent Sharon (Boomer) - she remembers being with Tyrol, being in the fleet, etc. even though it was the other Sharon who did all that and those two Sharons existed at the same time.
From what I understand - Boomer died and her memories were uploaded (or downloaded) to the rest of the Eights, including Athena (who may or may not be connected constantly, but who may have been with the whole virus thing). It's how I figure Caprica didn't have memories of Gina in Downloaded - Gina didn't die - and Boomer/the rest of the eights don't know Sharon is pregnant onboard Galactica/that Hera "died".
9 hours ago, Bastet said:Also, how is it okay for Lee and Dee to be together when he seems to now be her direct supervisor on Pegasus? Cally and Tyrol are another situation like that, but I assume because they're down on the settlement rather than part of the skeleton crew on the battleships, that means they're no longer in the fleet and thus not subject to its rules?
I think mainly that....not that many people are around anymore and who would judge? Adama? He'd never take Lee to task for that.
9 hours ago, Bastet said:What the hell is that ship that looks like a spinning wheel?
I think you might mean the Zephyr?
Bastet - Do you have the movies Razor and The Plan as well as the series? (Also, sorry this was so longwinded - only just now getting back from the holiday holiday-ness)
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8 hours ago, Bastet said:
I finished season one last night, and this was one of the strongest first seasons I've ever seen. I could tell it took Moore a while to figure out where he wanted to go with the storyline on cylon-occupied Caprica, and that they keep running so long they have to cut multiple scenes from many episodes makes noticeable gaps a recurring problem, but there was a lot less awkwardness in this than most first seasons.
It does hold up well, I agree. Probably helps that there are no aliens so the show can't be dated by CGI like other shows have been. I mean there is some CGI but it wasn't a show that relied heavily on CGI. Although I never really understood where they kept getting paper from but that is neither here nor there.
I like Colonial Day also - pretty much any episode where Roslin is featured heavily works for me. The finale was great. I started with the second season but Adama getting shot remained a holy shit moment.
8 hours ago, Bastet said:Interestingly, Laura's gods talk doesn't bug me as much as Six's god talk does.
I guess her religious bent is slightly different and not reminiscent of any of our god dogma that helps. And I like Greek mythology so that helps. I know she has the breast cancer and the whole dying factor is the big draw but I do wonder if she would have gone that religious that fast if there was no dying leader but, I don't know a reference to a leader with red hair or something.
I absolutely love Billy. Billy is just, well, Billy.
Do you have a favourite? or MVP?
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2 hours ago, Bastet said:
Boy howdy; now Baltar, a fucking scientist, is saying the "most logical" explanation for something is divine intervention, and thinks he's an instrument of God. Although, that last part makes sense in its own way, given his raging narcissism.
The other thing with Baltar is that he is the smartest guy in the ship, one of the smartest guys on Caprica and owing to his narcassism got massively played by Six, unintentionally contributing to the attack wiping out everyone save the 50 000 people on the fleet. I always thought a lot of his engagment with the Six and the god stuff is partially (or mostly?) due to some feelings of guilt. Maybe also severe embarrassment. People will do out of character things because of guilt. Plus I always thought him picking the right target was luck. Much like Apollo taking a shot of flying though the tunnel.
2 hours ago, Bastet said:And LOL at Madame Airlock - so she consigns others to the same fate as the show goes on?
Haha It was a nickname given by the fandom. I'm pretty sure the cast got told of it at a con back in the day and loved it. She gets one truly awesome line in about the airlock later on - something to look forward to.
2 hours ago, Bastet said:I watched it last night, and, holy crap, that was fantastic!
I love it also! The dinner scene alone is gold and topped off by the Baltar's lab scene. Brilliant. I never saw Family Ties and i ended up with a soft spot for Ellen. And she is very different to all the heroes we are supposed to root for. And she is awful - even Adama thinks so!
Yeah I liked the Laura/Kara scenes also - I'm pretty sure hearing at a con that the actresses were banned later on from having scenes together because at some point they started laughing and couldnt stop themselves.
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3 hours ago, Bastet said:
The one with Shelley Godfrey was a lot of religious stuff that doesn't interest me (I know the gods vs. one god thing will be an ongoing blah blah blah for me
Religion does feature really heavily. It isn't always about the gods vs. god, although Six is always on a religious bent to some degree. The religion thing does get somewhat interesting - and I think probably influenced by the early 2000s and the Bush administration.
3 hours ago, Bastet said:The one with the Leoben being interrogated was intense! Ruthlessly pragmatic Laura Roslin having him tossed out an airlock was one hell of a conclusion, that I immediately rewound and watched again, and all the psychological drama going on between him and Starbuck as the interrogation continued was compelling.
I think this may have been the start of Madam Airlock if I recall correctly. And the first time I thought this show was really different. Not everyday you have a hero waterboarding a prisoner.
3 hours ago, Bastet said:Grace Park is really impressing me.
I gotta say, the Cylons were impressive, particularly the Sixes and the Eights. Shelley Godfrey is nothing like Head!Six. Those two actresses really do some good work.
Are you now up to Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down? That one is one of my favourites of the whole show...
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It amuses me that Richard Hatch was vocally opposed to the "re-imagining" of the show and then wound up appearing (and then some). Even though the "Apollo vs. Apollo" aspect of the Lee/Zarek scenes was lost on me, I liked them. And I loved Lee telling Adama and Laura what he'd agreed to (the election they're obliged by the Articles to hold anyway) -- "He's your son/He's your advisor" was hilarious.
Yeah no I had a bit more respect for Richard Hatch after changing his mind. Benedict remained a wanker. Not a big loss from what I can tell.
7 minutes ago, Bastet said:But beyond the humor, I appreciate the "If we're not going to follow the law, then you're not this and I'm not that and this is all bullshit" part of it. So many shows would take the stance that the unprecedented circumstances mean none of the usual rules of humanity and society apply, and this one opts to show that they may need to be altered, but they need to be fundamentally respected or there's no damn point to survival.
This show is not like the normal sci-fi I suppose. Your thought is interesting and something to remember. And it was good EJO had it put into his contract that if he ever saw a script with an alien in it he planned to faint on camera and never return. Everyone took it more seriously than the usual.
Have you found the bloopers at all? Also worth it.
Anyway, more than happy to chat with you while you go along if you like? It may give me a good reason for another rewatch
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I only got through two more last night, the two-parter with Starbuck having to eject and landing on a moon or something.
Oh you are way better at pacing yourself than I was! I got in with the first episodes of Season 2 and I mainlined the first season...several times. You have some great ones coming up. And Laura Roslin is my favourite also and she also gets some gold moments.
QuoteIt was also a call back to the original ('79) series
Yeah - much like Richard Hatch playing Tom Zarek having been Captain Apollo in the original (Bastet - he was the leader of the convicts Apollo dealt with on the prison ship who tried to stage that rebellion). RIP Richard Hatch. He seems like he was a nice guy. And certainly had a load more class about this BSG than Dirk Benedict ever did).
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Oh, okay - if only Galactica hadn't jumped in 20 years (more danger of being off target with something that humongous, maybe?), but other vessels had, then, yeah, she could easily have experienced it elsewhere. Thank you, too.
The Galactica had jumped before (I'd assume military practice), but not over the red line. Presumably it was not so hard because it was all fully plotted so they knew what they were jumping to. Outside of the red line they have no solid data so they very much could jump into the middle of a planet or a sun somewhere and so jumping is not as simple as it once was.
Bastet - What episode are you up to?
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On 3/3/2017 at 8:54 AM, stuckin60s said:
I have always loved this show and usually watch the Grissom reruns. Does anyone know where to get a hat like his straw hat?
I gotta say, and I realise that this may be an unpopular opinions, but I the more I rewatch this show, the more I dislike Grissom as a oss. I think he could have been a good second-in-command and mentor but his leadership skills are weak, he is borderline petty and plays favourites too much. I think they should have had Ted Danson as DB as the boss from the beginning. I do rewatch his reruns before any with Ray though. So he wasn't the total worse.
But sorry - I've got no idea about the hat!
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if the pregnancy test was for Mariana and considering the timeline on the show it would be Wyatt's which is great because - between Mariana's beautifulness and Wyatt's hair that would be an extremely pretty child!
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On 1/9/2017 at 4:48 AM, HunterHunted said:
It's an episode that I hate because Abbie is so doggedly "Rah, rah! Personal responsibility! Rah!" that she can't see that the defendant, Alice, was clearly being victimized by the victim. I love that everyone can see that Abbie is being just completely awful. She is being unreasonable and stubborn. It's hilarious that Jack sets Abbie up by having her cross examine the defendant. Abbie was being so spiteful that it was going to be obvious to the jury they should be sympathetic to the defendant's arguments. I generally like Abbie, but she was fairly horrible in her first season.
I was a little bit irritated that Abbie glossed over how prisoners can't consent to sex with guards. It's because the guards control every aspect of a prisoner's life that between the two can turn coercive in an instant.
I don't hate the episode entirely. I do think Alice probably did play the victim in that first trial and that probably did colour Abbie's view of her in this one. At least, I believe that's what the episode was showing.
What I disliked was the Abbie's rape reveal. I dislike it when rape is used to show why a woman is "tough" and harsher on something that the leading "man" would be. While obviously Abbie was wrong about prisoner consent to sex (i.e. its obviously rape) to her turn soft on Alice because they were both raped and blamed themselves just leaves a weird impression. I'm not saying Abbie shouldn't have adopted a less strict opinion but tying it to a rape? Lazy and cliched storytelling to me.
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Yes because after their behaviour I'd be inclined to forget everything and trust them all again if I were Buffy.
And it was Angel that came back out of the portal, not Angelus so...
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10 hours ago, Jack Shaftoe said:
No, I don't count it because it makes no sense on a character level
I don't see the point in continuing this if we just cherry pick what we want or put it down to a bad writer. As said, I don't think Xander lied for any kind of noble reason and shouldn't have done it. He primarily did it because he is a Nice Guy. I didn't say Buffy only ran away because of the lie - I earlier referred to her mother's crap decision. As said, I think the lie did make her feel alone, likely contributed to her running away and did linger. Which I choose to believe given it is referenced later, shitty writer or no.
But at this point, we'd just be going around in circles if it continues.
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16 hours ago, Jack Shaftoe said:
I would argue that based on what we actually saw on our screen, there was no festering, that's pure S7 retcon
So because it was brought up in a season that apparently no one likes it doesn't count? Well jeez, I guess I was wrong then and will ignore what the show says. But Buffy didn't run away for no reason.
Festering is what it sounds like and doesn't always resolve itself in seconds, minutes or years. Sometimes things linger, even without you recognising it. And I don't think this is something tiny. I never said it drove a long-term massively obvious wedge between them either. But if it was nothing - why bother to bring it up? Years later? Can't have it both ways. Unless I should be forgetting it was because its one of the seasons that doesn't matter
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I loved this show when I was younger - to my parent's horror.
Pacey was always my favourite - but on retrospect the teacher storyline is gross.
I also loved Joey to start with - I wanted to relate with someone no one ever looked at. Except I didn't look like Katie Holmes so nowadays that falls apart....
I really do appreciate Jen now, and dislike the slut shaming this show was so very good at. And they needed someone better than Kerr Smith (or less afraid of the gay)
Like many other shows it should have ended before college because it completely got away from the writers and they either didn't know, or knew and didn't care about how awful Dawson was coming across
QuoteWas joey's singing supposed to be good in the beauty pageant episode? I thought she sounded horrendous.
Same. Even back then with Joey-coloured glasses I thought Pacey should have won it. And a boy from my hometown clearly watched it because a few years later he entered a similar competition - and half-won!
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Season 4 is the final year now - the twitter anouncement
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That was the final season - see Josh Thomas' Twitter account
That said, it sure did wrap things up. And I love Hannah. I plan on using 'Sorry I'm late - someone called me fat in year 3' at some point.
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10 hours ago, Jack Shaftoe said:
What do you mean, "Xander decided"?
I mean, as said before, Xander decided to NOT tell her Willow was trying the spell and decided all she needed to hear was "Kick his ass". My point is that was a unilateral decision to not tell his leader, who was attempting to save the world, all possible information about the situation. I'm not saying that she was alone during the fight. I'm saying that if she knew there was one person who she knew was doing everything they could to get Angel back to her, perhaps she wouldn't have run and it wouldn't have festered like it did (which I am taking that it did, considering it was brought up seasons later). Especially considering she did stab him, soul and all. And whatever Joss said or not about it being a tactical decision, from the story it did fester and Xander himself thought it was wrong because he never brought it up until it was.
For what it is worth, if the 'Kick his ass' had been said by Giles or Oz, I'd likely have a similar approach. I think if it had of come from Cordelia, who had no stake in anyone Angelus had killed or maimed (i.e. Jenny or Willow) I'd be less inclined to argue because she would be more impartial about the whole situation. But Xander had hated Angel from the beginning, because he 'loved' Buffy, was the 'Nice Guy' and his childhood friend had been hurt, so it doesn't appear to me as a tactical decision in the way it was perhaps supposed to.
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5 hours ago, Jack Shaftoe said:
Telling Buffy to stall for time and hope for the best might have been the proper thing for a friend to do but as far as saving the world goes it wouldn't have been the best idea, IMO. She had tried stalling for time in Becoming I and the results were disastrous.
Also, it bears mentioning that Willow had never cast a spell of that magnitude and for all anyone knew at the time Jenny's reconstruction of the curse spell might have been unsuccessful.
I'm not saying she should have been told to stall him. Or that she should have on the off chance Willow could do it especially given she knew it wasn't a sure thing the first time. Essentially, Xander decided he got to send her into battle alone, facing as far as he knew, 3 powerful vamps and their many minion, like you said. Now she wasn't getting offered support from her 'team'. Considering the emphasis on family this show promotes with the Scoobies, they pretty much sent her out alone. If nothing else, knowing one other person was actively trying to help could have helped her during the fight, or the aftermath of it. I disagree that it is something you should do to either a friend or someone you have appointed as your leader (rather shows a patronising lack of confidence in her abilities). Maybe Xander didn't realise how damaging that lie could be but still not a necessary lie.
Joss did bring it back up several years later when the controversy over this line had been going on awhile though...suggests it was meant to be something hidden to me.
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For a few reasons, I'm not a fan of Xander and the 'Kick his Ass' comment.
1) I'm not sure he had the impartial state of mind to make a call that Buffy would be weaker if she knew Willow was trying the spell again. Considering their "love" for each other, I think there was a fairly good shot (like 50% and above) it may have bucked her up even more and she may have fought even harder to stop him opening Acathla (especially considering she did stick a sword in him once the portal was open, soul and all, Xander's possible fear wasn't even realised)
2) Perhaps knowing she had some support from her friends, for the one course of action she hoped for, again could have bucked her up or at least could have helped her realise she did have support and not run away. She may have even stayed with Willow considering her mother kicked her out for something she couldn't help.
3) Even Xander knew it was wrong otherwise he wouldn't have kept it secret for years. In the months when Buffy had left he never thought maybe it could be related?
I just don't agree that a leader, that everyone has decided is the leader, shouldn't be told all pertinent information. If you've decided they are your leader, that's it. Xander made a choice and it was the wrong one.
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5 hours ago, Milburn Stone said:
For the record, I never said (or remotely implied) that the two are comparable. But does Stella sense that she understands something about Spector because of something in herself?
Well, you did in the beginning to be fair.
On 1/15/2017 at 6:47 AM, Milburn Stone said:Stella, as someone who uses sex in the way other people use power, sees a kindred spirit in Spector. Someone who takes this tendency to lunatic extremes, true, but who nevertheless belongs on the same spectrum she does, even if he's much further out along it. She carries that secret.
I think she'd understand his compulsion to hunt potentially. And the single-minded focus that can result in. They are both hunters, she just happens to to hunt him. Not a groundbreaking take for this show I agree. I just disagree her having a little bit of sex should be grounds for suggesting it's where a woman's power lies or is expressed.
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Xena: Warrior Princess - General Discussion
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I think it was pacifism...although maybe that is a form of attempted suicide. But I think after the Hercules episodes we were supposed to get that she hated herself too much for suicide, or at least to do that before seeing her mum.
I think rewatching it now and seeing the things like the "she'd never let a man close enough to do her" lines lends more credence to the cast later saying that the subtext was intentional by the writers. I always thought it was just the actressess running with it (and never shooting it down ala Rizzoli & Isles cast/crew) but I'm starting to buy that it would have had to come somewhat from the higher ups (or at least they participated more than I originally gave credit for)