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12 hours ago, ichbin said:
Granny squares as fashion have a resurgence now and again. I remember them being a big thing in the early 70's. Those vests kept a lot of grandmas busy for awhile.
Until she died, I had a wealthy mother-in-law whom every year would re-gift a sweater to me for Christmas. Always with no tags in a high-end department store gift box. One year it was a granny square vest. That's what came to my mind when I saw those granny square fashions. (I got the last laugh, though - I always wore the most recent re-gifted sweater whenever we visited her to send the message that I had no goat to get.)
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17 hours ago, ChitChat said:
That's one of the reasons I like Tinsley. I don't recall her ever being purposefully hurtful to the other women. Dorinda is just plain cruel. Ramona can be a doofus, but she's been trying to get Dorinda to understand just how awful she's been, but Dorinda was much too proud or in denial to even entertain the idea that she was being such a bitch to everyone. It's a shame that instead of listening to Ramona, she laughed in her face. What a jerk.
It don't think it was that she didn't realize how much of a bitch she was being, it was that she felt justified in doing so.
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On 8/27/2020 at 6:51 AM, eleanorofaquitaine said:
I mean, I think you can only speak for yourself here (I do recognize that there are many people on this board who agree with you, but there are also people who think that Denise has looked bad throughout this whole thing). I do think that the show was pretty effective in showing us that Denise was trying to control the narrative to a point that has made her look bad. The reality is that Denise has been caught more than once contradicting herself (first, claiming that she never said bad things about Teddi and Erika, then admitting in the confessional she did; and last night, claiming that Brandi's texts were fake but then saying she had texts from Brandi, like WTF, Denise?; claiming that her daughter was harmed from the threesome conversation when the footage doesn't indicate that) and offering unconvincing denials about at least the existence of her relationship with Brandi, whether or not Brandi's claims about the nature of it is true.
I think a lot of people have come away from this season looking pretty bad - Kyle and Rinna, yes; but also Denise. Personally, and I know that many here disagree with me, but I don't think Teddi and Erika came off looking all that bad because I think that they were genuine in saying that all they cared about was whether or not Denise was badmouthing them. And it's clear she was, she's admitted to it, so I don't see them as off-base in their inquiries. Dorit, Sutton, and Garcelle (much as I find her thing with Kyle a little weird) all came off fine in the end, IMO, at least when it came to this situation.
One thing I will say re Sutton - I took her comments as "look at me" a little differently than anyone here. I don't think she was questioning her attractiveness. Her tone didn't sound like someone who was insecure, to me. I took as quite the opposite, and unfortunately, as homophobic. I thought she was essentially saying, "look at me, I am too obviously straight to ever even consider a same-sex relationship." There is a damaging and untrue trope among some homophobic women to suggest that only unattractive women are lesbians, and that's what I thought Sutton was saying. Now, I could be misinterpreting it and maybe everyone else's interpretation is correct but I found Sutton to be an elitist snob and so I wouldn't be that surprised if she was homophobic, either.
I agree Sutton's tone didn't sound like someone who was insecure, but I don't get homophobic from her at all. What I took from that statement is that Sutton knows she doesn't have indiscriminate casual sex and doesn't put herself out there as someone with loose morals.
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On 8/27/2020 at 4:37 AM, psychoticstate said:
Creepy and the perfect example of deflection, which they all seem to be screaming about with regard to Denise.
I liked Rinna when she first came on the show but she is a friend to no one. Someone needs to remind her how she reacted when Kim brought up Harry Hamlin at the dinner n Amsterdam. Talk about angry.
I did love how Dorit said "Kyle!" as soon as she saw Brandi Glanville was trashing up her home. Kyle can play dumb all she wants but OF COURSE she knew Kim was bringing her (and Kyle also can't fully hide her glee that Brandi was there.)
I don't blame Denise for not showing. I probably wouldn't either. She knew it would be a pile-on, not to mention it would take away from the actual purpose of the party.
Has production ever gotten this involved before? Twice now in the last 2 or 3 episodes we've seen production interfere. First, by telling Denise that she needed to return to the Rome pizza dinner. Denise isn't a child, I think she can decide for herself. Have they ever told anyone else that you have to return to anything because you've said something and it's not fair to leave before other people respond? (Frankly, in the real world does anyone operate like that?) And second by telling Garcelle that Denise being a no-show for Dorit's party is not cool because Garcelle stood up for Denise. Talk about stoking the fire and shit stirring.
At least Denise knows it's a cease and desist (looking at you, Tamra Judge.)
I was grateful that we were spared any Erika Jayne during the party.
I look forward to the reunion, if only because I hope Denise rips every one of these women (with the exception of Dorit and Garcelle) to shreds.
Denise won't be ripping anyone to shreds. If she was capable of that she would have done it long ago and not needed to make up lies to dodge events.
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On 8/26/2020 at 9:43 PM, mbaywife123 said:
I wish Denise would have called Garcelle and just told her that due to dealing with a family issue (technical white lie to get production off her ass and not break her contract) to go ahead to the party without her and she would be there as soon as she was able (of course never to to show up because of the total production BG set up) and then call both Garcelle and Dorit later that night or the next day and "apologize "her missing the event due to unforeseen circumstances and leave it at that with no further qualifiers.
But I can also understand her turning off her phone and not responding until receiving legal counsel to protect herself. This party nonsense did occur during after work hours ,you can just imagine how expensive legal advice/fees are.
Attorneys don't charge for overtime/weekends. Their fee is their fee regardless of time of day/day of week. The question is whether or not they will answer their phone for you - LOL.
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I think Denise gives Aaron a lot more say over her career decisions than she should. When she called him to let him know that she was stopping by Rinna's house, the way he said "okay" gave me the feeling that he disapproved and would have tried to convince her not to do it. In fact the times she has walked out was because of Aaron.
It's hard to say if that scene was filmed before or after Dorit's party, but it was edited to look as if it took place after. At that point she was refusing to show up for anything. I think production met with Denise when Aaron wasn't there andshe was talked into having the couch meeting.
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On 8/26/2020 at 7:13 PM, Straycat80 said:
I’m assuming Garcelle will not be back since she’ll be on The Real. I’m happy for her, she was too good for this show. I hope Sutton doesn’t come back, she brought nothing to the show except hideous clothing choices. I hope Denise doesn’t come back, she doesn’t need this show anyway, she has an acting career. If Kim and Brandi come back I’m done. Done!
well, on to the shitshow of the reunion which will be virtual, they can flounce off to their own bathrooms if they get mad.I read somewhere that shows like The Real aren't that much of a time commitment, and it's possible Garcelle could do both. In one of the last episodes, Garcelle tells Denise if Denise doesn't come back, Garcelle wouldn't be back either.
But now that we've seen how Denise twice (that we know of) rudely blew off a get-together with Garcelle and Garcelle feels like Denise has kicked her in the teeth, I won't be counting Garcelle out yet.
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I could tell by that awkward exchange in the limo between Garcelle and Chocolate Michael that they weren't a match. Twice his response was non-committal when she wanted to "discuss diamonds" (perhaps an engagement? it was never said). At that moment, seeing the two of them sitting in the limo, I got the strong impression that he really was not that into her.
We don't see anything more specific about it, and it surprised me to see when he sort of indicated to Sutton's boyfriend later at the party that things were going to the next level in their relationship. It was smart of Garcelle to get to the point and not waste time on a man who wasn't as interested in taking the next step as she was. I wasn't surprised to see in the epilogues that they broke up.
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Dorit looked genuinely shocked when Brandi admitted she had sent Denise a text giving her a heads-up that she would be at Dorit's party that night. I don't think Brandi was supposed to do that. I think that's why the party was at Dorit's -- so then Denise wouldn't be suspicious that Brandi would be on the guest list. Garcelle was tasked with picking her up and getting her there. But what nobody knew until Brandi showed up was that she let the cat out of the bag, so production got pretty much nothing from the big shindig for Dorit and PK that they paid for. (No diamond for Brandi now.)
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On 8/26/2020 at 6:57 PM, Emmeline said:
I just wish Denise would have been honest and wrote to the women, the evening of the party. She just had to say that Brandi texted her stating she would be at the party that evening and Denise wasn’t comfortable with that.
This is exactly the kind of thing I meant last episode that Denise, for all her experience in Hollywood business, should be more people savvy than she is. I don't think Rinna would do anything for a buck, but I believe she does lots for the lots of money they pay her. I'll bet after LVP left the show Rinna became the highest paid on that franchise because of all the content she's delivered to the producers -- that is, highest paid until Denise came along.
Frankly, I think both the producers and Denise are disappointed with how things have gone for the big money they were throwing at her. I don't see how they could be happy with Denise's lackluster brief appearances and downright refusal at times to show up for the job. And Denise is probably day drinking over how badly the show blew up in her face even though she had such popularity with the fans.
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Pardon me if this has been mentioned - I only just finished watching and I have to say I laughed!! At Kim and Kyle discussing that Kim had her implants removed.
Mauricio: Why are you feeling her boobs?
Kyle: Because she took out the implants and fixed her ...
Kim: You can touch them too.
Mauricio: (shakes head)
Kim: Just touch them here. Just touch the side.
Mauricio: (horrified) No!
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On 8/28/2020 at 4:44 AM, Silver Bells said:
What a bunch of bs this episode was. Dorinda knew she was toast by the look on her face all night. Getting all her digs in to everyone. Where were all her mysterious friends all these seasons? Didn’t see one. Werent they partying south of Canal Street? Didn’t Dorinda and Luann say the air was different down there when they went to the Russian Bath? These upper East Side Housewives all of a sudden like downtown, especially Sonja who was all over everyone? Out with the OLD, and in with the NEW. Ramona split. Hilarious. Hi Tinsley! You were a class act. Everything worked out in the end. Lots of luck John. You’ve got your love back. Can’t wait for the reunion. Heard they were all there.
Dorinda wasn't canned until after the reunion episode(s).
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On 8/27/2020 at 8:08 PM, SuprSuprElevated said:
With my Inspector Gadget magnifying glass, it appears the granny square (literally what that pattern is called) outfit could be from designer Ashish Gupta. Pants - $1800 bucks, "sold out". Not sure they are a recent creation.
Fugly as hell!
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On 8/26/2020 at 2:16 PM, Happy Camper said:
I saw a blind that says a second long time NY housewife is also gone, and going to be announced within the next few days. Lu, Sonja or Ramona?
If Ramona or Lu, they will move on as they just seem to bounce right back after shit happens.
Poor Sonja would starve to death.
Too bad they couldn't have sent Dorinda to Beverly Hills. Watching Kyle and Rinna's wide eyed/mouths agape reactions to her would be worth the price of admission, not to mention Teddi trying to force her to be accountable.
My guess is Sonja. She hasn't added anything to the show in quite a while besides party-til-you-drop and pawing men everywhere she goes. The entrepreneur story is awfully thin these days despite this season's Century 21 opening which I found boring as hell because it's too hard for me to believe Sonja was responsible for very much of it. I think Bravo wants to get rid of the ones who aren't pulling their weight (or in Dorinda and Vicki G's cases, too hard to work with.)
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3 hours ago, itsadryheat said:
Bullies could care less about how they come across. Intimidation is their drug of choice. The scene where she was in the bedroom, all puffed up in Ramona's face, was the real Dorinda. The look on her face and body language was frightening. Have to give it to Ramona-she did well minimizing her full blown mania.
Glad she's gone. Wish we could watch her deal with this public beat down. Bullies can dish it out, but as we have seen, they can't take it.
I like your description of Dorinda's physical display during a bullying episode. Because Ramona has shared some of her childhood abuse, it seems logical that she recognizes and can deal with someone's psychopathic episode. I couldn't agree more with that last paragraph.
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22 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:
These are actually two of my favorite moments in the entire franchise. I laugh about them and quote them constantly. Where did it all go wrong? Last year, I knew she was going off the rails when she set her destruction cannon on Tinsley of all people.
I could stand to lose Sonja and Leah, but I know that won't happen. Only 4 women are left - Leah, Luann, Ramona, and Sonja. They need to keep some consistency - the major shakeup of season 5 wasn't a hit with viewers and I don't think they'll go that route again.
That said, while I'm all for diversity, the point of Ho'wives is to watch women who aren't 20-something models. I'm not cosigning on bringing on a bunch of Leah's friends. The Jersey Shore is available on MTV, thanks very much. Please find me a Garcelle in NYC and we'll be on the right track.
I will miss Bluestone Manor, and Dorinda's witticisms, and her willingness to call out big dogs like Ramona and Bethenny. But I won't miss her bullying, nasty side.
See, I never did understand what was so funny about that "clip" scene. To me Dorinda came off like an asshole there. I mean, it looked playful and all, but I saw it as arrogant, not funny or cute. Same with her "not well bitch". Her intention was to be salty in response to someone being polite to her, and it was off putting to me. Maybe I'm just dull witted, cuz I never found Don Rickles funny either.
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1 hour ago, Babyfoot said:
Dorinda makes me sad. I think that there’s a genuinely good, kind human inside her but her vitriolic rages aren’t fun to watch. I continue to stand firm in my belief that reality TV does more harm than good to its cast members. I agree that Dorinda’s cruelty shouldn’t be tolerated or presented as entertainment but also think Ramona should’ve been shit-canned years for the very same reason.
Not that Ramona doesn't have her grievous faults and says insensitive things at times, but I don't think we've ever once seen Ramona get hammered and fly off the handle screaming insults in someone's face and calling them filthy names.
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In keeping with her desire to live in the past, the photo she posted with her announcement looks as if it was taken 15 years ago.
I never really took to Dorinda. In her first couple of seasons she said some mildly amusing things, but I never understood all the fandom or enjoyed her nasty cracks and barely concealed contempt for everyone. Maybe it's a NYC thing -- they seem to relish rudeness -- but once she became one of the most popular HWs and stopped masking her constant and overwhelming anger, which was always just under the surface the whole time she was on the show, I couldn't stomach her at all.
I think TPTB at Bravo saw the writing on the wall when viewership and online messaging fell off dramatically after last season's relentless mean mouthing of Tinsley for no reason whatsoever. I think Bravo decided to cut its losses and allowed her to make the announcement so it would look like it was her decision.
Now that she's not going to appear on the show anymore, she can keep drinking and telling herself that since she doesn't have a mugshot, she doesn't have a serious problem. But I believe there's either a mugshot or an emergency hospitalization in her future. (Let me add here that Dorinda deserved to be knocked on her ass for calling Tinsley a prostitute to her face based solely on the amount of her boyfriend's bank account balance, and there we'd have seen her emergency hospitalization. It could happen after a drunken mouthing off to the wrong person.)
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19 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:
Denise may be lying about the degree of involvement she had with Brandy but so what? If you side with Brandy you are signing on with her history of lies and abusive behavior. Brandy, Kyle and Teddy are trying to destroy Denise and drive her off the show. Make no mistake about it they are trying to shame her because of the same sex aspects of the hook up because they are dumb enough to think the Bravo audience will be appalled. They think the audience are rubes, dummies and bigots. Their epic fail last season when the majority of the audience turned against the coven taught them nothing.
Bravo always has miscalculated the Bravo audience as witness the Captain Sandy/Hannah debacle on Below Deck. Bravo thinks the audience is moronic fly over people and are always shocked when their manipulation falls flat.
I don’t care is Denise shaded her relationship with Brandy or tells little white lies. Brandy,Kyle and Teddy are scum and I want them off my TV.
GOODBYE KYLE AND TEDDY AND BRANDY!
I'm calling the situation as I see it, but let me make it clear - I find Brandi loathesome and am the last person who would be siding with her.
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18 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:
That would matter if Brandy had any credibility.
You have to realize how this mess came about and why Brandy is trying to destroy Denise.
The mutual branding agent of Denise, Brandy and Kim tried to set up an event where the 3 of them met with fans and answered questions and signed photos and took selfies with fans. A low rent bottom feeder way of cashing in. Kim makes most of her money from the celebrity autograph conventions that we saw in a prior season. Denise is obviously the main draw so when she backed out the other two set out to destroy her.
So when Vyle or Rinna squeals “Why would Brandy lie” now you know the answer.
Actually, Denise destroying her own credibility has nothing to do with anyone else's. Brandi can lie til the cows come home -- has nothing to do with why people don't trust Denise's word anymore. If the sex-with-Brandi thing was the only place where Denise's story is shaky, I'd lean towards agreeing with you. But she thinks nothing of lying to dodge any ol' inconvenient thing (such as telling the others her daughter was upset about the threesome talk when we saw the kid actually laugh about it, and saying she's sick when she isn't) so I think Denise has pretty much brought that problem on herself.
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On 8/19/2020 at 7:56 PM, ancslove said:
Yeah, Kyle was wrong there. Denise's alleged affair with Brandi isn't the issue. Denise lied about her closeness to Brandi and that she bitched about the others with Brandi. That's why I think Teddi should lead the charge, because she's the one that genuinely cares about that. But in a way, Denise shot herself in the foot and made everything much worse than it could have been. Not to say Teddi's a blameless victim! Looping in Rinna was a colossal misstep, and airing her grievances in public with everyone there was another wrong move.
I was on Denise's side through the rest of the season, and still am, but I do believe that, no matter which one (Brandi or Denise) came up with the actual phrases, Denise did agree that Erika was a coldhearted bitch and Teddi is pathetic and Denise wants nothing to do with her. And it wouldn't be a huge deal, if Denise hasn't been trying all season to say she's so cool with everyone.
I can't believe they literally kicked out Teddi's actual friends. The private bitching session that surely happened after that party must have been epic! I was a little surprised that Teddi allowed that to happen, but I guess she was too eager to get more dirt on Denise.
I honestly think for all her decades in Hollywood, Denise should be more people savvy than she is. She wants to appear to be all Denise Fucking Richards confident, but it's just a bluff. She comes off as someone who's super sensitive, easily rattled and not particularly nimble in the smarts department.
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On 8/19/2020 at 7:31 PM, ancslove said:
Again, Teddi is really just concerned about whether Denise is silently hating her every time they meet. I think she's been the most consistent in this whole mess. Does Denise secretly hate the group, and Teddi most of all? And I think Denise's big, fatal mistake was not saying straight up that she's not fond of Teddi. She could have cushioned it with "I don't know you all that well, we don't have much in common, I just haven't clicked with you yet."
But now, Brandi's shown that she and Denise do have a close friendship, and Teddi won't believe anything Denise tries to say any more. The text messages wouldn't actually be that bad (nothing in there about the other women), if Denise hadn't already tried to downplay her relationship with Brandi so severely. For the record, I don't think the language is all that indicative of anything, except that Denise might be mirroring Brandi's slew of endearments, which is rather common among friends. But the amount of texts show that they talked more than "once or twice".
This is the whole problem with lying in the first place. Now Denise cries the blues that "no matter what I say, I'm not believed". Yeah, that's pretty much how it works.
There were ways she could have protected her privacy and not lied about anything. But play fast and loose with your own credibility and it's a natural consequence that people just don't trust what you have to say anymore. And I think that's fair.
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On 8/19/2020 at 6:44 PM, LibertarianSlut said:
So Denise is very serious that she’s “very married” and doesn’t cheat on her husband, as of last episode, but in her confessional she says with a big grin on her face that if she told Aaron she had sex with Brandi, he’d simply ask why he wasn’t involved. This isn’t another lie, but it’s yet another inconsistency in her philosophy. It’s hard to keep up. It reminds me of RHNJ season 4 Melissa, who was outraged at the idea that someone would accuse her of working at a strip club, and then she interviewed that it would have been stupid not to work there because the money is so good. I feel like I say this every week, but please pick a lane, please pick a story. Or just shut up about it.
That Bucco de Peppo outfit Dorit was wearing for Teddi’s baby shower was awful, and it made her hips look huge when they’re not. I would say that look was not just bad, but atrocious. Lisa looked amazing though. She may have horrible behavior, but there’s no denying that she looks fabulous for someone in her late fifties. I don’t see any wrinkles. It’s hard to believe she’s older than Kim, although Kim looked much better at Teddi’s baby shower than she did last time we saw her in that ponytail. Of course, it’s natural for Kim to be invited to Teddi’s baby shower. We all know about the famous Kim-Teddi friendship that goes back...five minutes.
Kyle and Teddi pronounced “Capri, Italy” as “CAP-pri” with the emphasis on the first syllable. That’s not only incorrect, but I’ve never heard anyone bungle the word “Capri” before in my life. Oh, and place cards are now name tags. Leave it to Kyle and Teddi to sound like bumpkins.
I can’t believe how little is happening on this show that Garcelle tells Lisa kind of politely but kind of bitchily that Lisa mentions that she was Roxy Hart too often and the screen fades to black with mouths agape. If that had happened on RHNYC, not only would it be the least aggressive thing that happened all episode, there wouldn’t even be a bite missed between the casual swearing that would ensue. In the Berkshires, no one even missed a bite of Chinese food when Dorinda shoved Luann out of the door because she allegedly wasn’t paying Sonja enough for cabaret.
That was such a set-up, Sutton and Garcelle leaving and Brandi coming in. Then Teddi’s real friends have to leave the baby shower before Brandi drops a dime on Denise?!? Where they do that at??? Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, I’m pretty much ready to throw in the towel here.
I don't know how you're supposed to pronounce Capri, so I did a Google search. https://www.youtube.com//watch?v=tofZFzTG0IY
The voice doing the pronouncing sounds like a native Italian speaker and I'll be damned. He pronounced it KA-pre.
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27 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:
Haha..yes. Ever since Mario left her, she’s dressing to kill. Tight, boobs hanging out, high heels, etc. I don’t know where she gets the energy. I can’t understand why she needs a therapist. She answers all her questions herself.
It's not therapy she's purchasing. It's that she just eats up having a years-younger guy sit there for an hour focusing all of his attention on her and everything that comes out of her mouth. And I'm certain she's quite willing to pay big bucks for the privilege (a win-win for both of them). On the same vein as a full body massage, only she gets to humble-brag on how she's in therapy and working on her issues so as to become her best, even more wonderful self which, if you caught her words at the end of her session, she believes she already is.
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S10.E16: Denise and Desist
in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
· Edited by Anne Thrax
There's only so far one can go slinging mud in family court because judges know the difference between smoke screen and a true issue. Personal pecadillos aren't any kind of ammunition when modification of child support is the only issue. Sure Denise is gun-shy of Charlie. His scorched earth threats are meant to work her over because he knows she is cowed by it, but that's why one hires a lawyer. Besides, Aaron has shown he's more than willing to stand by Denise and protect her.
The facts are on her side (he hasn't paid support in years and proof of threats he's made if she's been smart enough to keep evidence) and it wouldn't take her attorney that much time to obtain an order for payment of a percentage of delinquent child support before the judge considers a downward modification. From what I've heard, he owes somewhere around half a million dollars.
Charlie can cry poor all he wants, a fraudulent transfer of assets isn't that hard to prove and the cost of acquiring the requisite records wouldn't bankrupt anyone. Once she got her order for payment of back child support, if he doesn't pay voluntarily, a collection attorney doesn't even get paid until they collect money. She would have no trouble finding a good attorney who'd be delighted to seize or encumber his assets.
Restraining orders for harassment are relatively cheap and quick to accomplish - many people obtain them without an attorney. For people in Denise's income category there's not much difference in spending $20,000 for legal fees or $25,000. Sure he'll make it unpleasant and it could take many months, but she has a duty to her daughters to collect what he owes them.