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  1. 17 hours ago, dttruman said:

    I don't mind Kathy and the kids and I didn't even mind Noah, but only if their appearances are few and far between. Noah's appearance were almost every other episode and Kathy and the kids became more numerous when they were beginning to writing Stabler out of the. This is when the excessive soap opera stuff started and disappointment followed.

    I don’t know why stabler was given so many damn kids in the first place given his profession. I just never connected with any of them. 
     

    I hope he comes back single because I think it opens more possibilities. Kathy hated when he went undercover etc. and we’ve just never seen Elliot single. He knocked up his high school or college (I can’t remember) gf and married her to do the right thing. I’d rather see Elliot awkwardly try to date than continue to fight with Kathy just because we haven’t seen it before.

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  2. I must admit that I’m intrigued.  It’s been so long.  And Olivia has been uninspired lately (Mariska too).  Regardless of my feelings about stabler, Meloni is a very capable actor. And much stronger than the actors she’s been opposite of (not just his acting but also his presence).  I’m wondering if Meloni can pull some more out of Mariska who has been coasting with that awful whisper for awhile.  Last inspired performances was when she adopted Noah and the Lewis arc.  

    They don’t have to go the romantic route and I don’t think they will.  Their relationship was rich enough without them having sex.  Olivia sorting through feelings of having Stabler back, working with his unit, perhaps, will be more interesting than watching her run after Noah.

    I do not want to see Kathy or those kids. Hopefully they scrap the idea they had for the finale. Stabler can explain where he’s been in the premiere. 

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  3. Maybe there's just something likable about Reese even when she's awful, but I liked Elena more than her awful kids.  And I'm not a white woman; can't relate to the character, at all.  I just could not bring myself to see those kids as anything other than spoiled, privileged brats who couldn't handle living on the other side (or that useless husband). So I felt nothing but anger at them for burning that house down.

    I hated all the kids by the end of it, even Pearl.

    I've disliked Mia since episode 1 and nothing changed.

    Maybe a good thing I don't have kids. lol

    I haven't watched a show in awhile where I didn't like a single character.  I care about none of these people.

    Has anyone read "Such a fun age" by Riley Reid?  Smells like Reese's next project.

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  4. Never liked Peter. I thought he was a bad bachelor choice from the beginning largely because of his dynamic with his parents. It always came off as unhealthy. Then I read they were all wannabe actors. All leading to this mess tonight. What an awful choice by TPTB. I put it all on them. This family needs to be in a therapist office.

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  5. Never liked Peter. I thought he was a bad bachelor choice from the beginning largely because of his dynamic with his parents. It always came off as unhealthy. Then I read they were all wannabe actors. All leading to this mess tonight. What an awful choice by TPTB. I put it all on them. This family needs to be in a therapist office.

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  6. 1 hour ago, call me ishmael said:

    I understand that.  But i think given her behavior all season and the fact that she hadn’t been announcing her virginity or her sexual history that she is a fairly normal 23 year old trying to figure out how to tell someone something that he really is not going to like in front of cameras and a large crew.  She has been private about this all season (again unlike Luke).  Are you really surprised that she might be inarticulate in the moment?

    Saying she’s a virgin and saying she didn’t want peter to have sex with anyone else are two separate things. She’s struggled explaining the latter. She explicitly said she didn’t want peter to think she was shaming or judging him. Like Luke was accused...

    JMO but I believe while she was thinking all those weeks about how she would tell peter her views, how luke was treated was something she was thinking about. She said she was going for peter, not sure I believe her, but that would mean she watched his season. 

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  7. 36 minutes ago, Wandering Snark said:

    Again, you are assuming that she saw said coverage. Not everyone lives of social media and message boards. It's not as if it was front page news. It still easier for me to go with call me ishmael's pov here. She's not very good at conversing about her feelings. Ans sometimes conveying the thing that is the most important to us is the hardest thing to do. I doubt she was thinking "Oh damn, I'm just like that Luke P without the misogyny and rage and we allll know what happened to him on twitter! How ever am I going to say this to not sound like that blowhard jackhole?"

    She applied to the bachelor when the season was airing. Most contestants watch to see who might be bachelor. She claimed she was hoping for peter. So she watched if we believe her 

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  8. 2 hours ago, call me ishmael said:

    There is no evidence that I can think of for this interpretation.  She has not been getting involved in the drama, is not judging other contestants, and not telling Peter she knows what is best for him--all things Luke did.  I suppose you could take it as evidence that since she has done none of this stuff that means that she really wanted to but figured out the bachelor game and has artfully plotted her season long triumph by deceiving everyone but then at the last minute suddenly hadn't thought through what she was going to say despite her approach throughout the season.  But I don't see it.  

    I was explaining why I thought she was so careful with her words and struggled to spit it out during FS, not speaking on her behavior generally. I think she was being careful with her words during the FS discussion. I don’t think it’s crazy to believe she watched the season peter was on. The Luke drama happened not even a year ago and it got a lot of coverage. She had to be concerned what people would say about her after Luke P knowing she held the same beliefs re sex.

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  9. 13 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

    I'm still trying to figure out how someone who cares about purity wouldn't have been turned off by watching him on Hannah B's season. This is a guy who loves to have sex. And that's fine, he's single, he can do whoever he wants. It just doesn't seem like something super religious, pure Madison would find appealing. 

    She really is a less gaslighty Luke with the "I can't stay if you screw the others...oh, you already did? um, well, nevermind, I can totally get over it because I wanna stay on TV!!!!" It just makes them both look like hypocrites. Either the lead screwing others is a deal breaker or it isn't. It can't be a deal breaker until you find out it already happened and then it's not a deal breaker anymore. That's not how that works. 

    I can't say she doesn't deserve him because if she picks him she totally deserves what she's getting. Nothing makes it seem like he lies about having sex so she knows exactly what she's getting into. 

    She holds the same values as Luke P. Wanting a man like her father who gives Luke P vibes. I said in the episode thread she either signed up for Colton, whom I think is probably much more her type, or signed up for the platform. If she is with Peter, she won't be for long. I don't think she will stay with him at all. She will fake the funk through the finale and promo and peace out.

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  10. 12 hours ago, call me ishmael said:

    I have to disagree about Luke.  He continued to do frankly abusive things and as I recall refused to leave because he knew better.  I think that the difference between him and Madison, and i do think it is a big difference, is that she is clear a out what is better for her, whereas Luke insisted that he knew what was better for Hannah.  There is a whole different psychology at play there.

    In terms of both-sides i wonder if part of the problem we have figuring out how to think about Madison is that we are so jaded about the show.  It may be possible that you go on TV to be on TV and still buy the nonsense the show is selling about finding true love as the goal.  Then if you throw in the fact that you are left isolated in the house being run like rats in a maze and you just get caught up in the supposed love object.  And since you don’t see yourself as a posee you think they aren’t either.

    Madison has the benefit of watching Luke P last year. She was being very careful with her words and not just saying what she felt because of the hate Luke got. She was almost putting forth her rebuttal to the Luke P haters I.e. “I’m not judging you” “there are just my standards.” I wonder if she would of put it that way if she didn’t know what happened to Luke last year. 
     

    she was fumbling all over the place and unable to spit it out because she didn’t what the backlash if she said what she really thought

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  11. ^Lauren B never got over Ben sleeping with the other two and Ben admitted it. Shawn never got over it. Strung kaitlyn along but never was going to marry her according to kaitlyn. Knowing what little I do about Catherine Lowe and Cassie, I don’t think either of those women would’ve gotten over their men sleeping with others and there would be no bachelor couples together. 

    28 minutes ago, cinsays said:

    So, what is Luke up to these days?  Maybe he and Madison should meet and see what happens.

    They may be a better match.

    Last I heard, he was dating a girl from his church. She looked similar to Madison too. I still wonder if Madison signed up for Colton. Would make more sense. If not, she just signed up for the platform. 

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  12. 3 minutes ago, angelamh66 said:

    Any defense of Luke is, in my opinion,  revisionist history.  Dude was awful.  Gaslighting,  narcissisticly awful.  

    My defense was solely of that one conversation during fantasy suites not all of his behavior.

    luke was awful but so was his bachelorette. She was too a narcissist and none of the men but Luke liked her, for good reason. 

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  13. 1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

    Exactly. I remember he looked hurt too. I know it’s an unpopular opinion among Bachelor Nation, but I was team Luke that episode, and trust me he wasn’t my favorite of the guys. However I don’t think he was the monster they made him out to be, I think he sincerely cared for Hannah, and he was only human to not want the woman he wants to propose to, to have just slept with another person. And then there was the way they all treated him at that tell all episode. I thought it was wrong. 

    Luke was maybe the only man her season that actually liked her. He is the only one who would've married her.

    Luke had his awful moments but so did she! He was never some big, scary, angry boyfriend. He was more so a doofus and totally clueless. Hannah threw more tantrums. 

    The whole windmill ordeal was ridiculous. Imagine Jed wasn't a bad guy with a girlfriend and she had told the whole world she screwed another dude twice in a windmill days before he proposed? She acted crazy with Luke. She didn't care about Jed's feelings, or peter's, or Tyler's. No matter whom she chose her relationship wouldn't last because of HER actions. Same for Peter.

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  14. ^ They are reimagining the conversation with Luke. I just watched. He was not in any way the "angry boyfriend" or aggressive. He was inarticulate, but very calm. In fact, he was nervous and his voice was shaky. He was not demanding in any way.  Hannah was the angry and aggressive one, yelling at him while standing over him, and then flipping him off.

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  15. 18 hours ago, valen said:

    From what I can remember, Colton and Cassie just said they were no longer going to talk about their sex lives. They just stopped discussing it. 

    This is also what I remember. I remember Colton being very protective over Cassie. Once he chose her, and she became part of the virginity conversation, he shut the questioning down and made clear he would no longer talk about his virginity.

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    I hope Madison runs far away from Peter. Hopefully she's just entertaining it until the finale airs. She has to know deep down that he is not the man for her. I can't see how she wouldn't be totally turned off after watching his season.

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  16. 24 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

     

    I defended Luke as well.  He did some shady stuff early in the show but telling Hannah that if she slept with the other guys it would be a deal breaker for him was not one of them.  He had a right to his own standards just as Madison does.  People only thought Luke was slut-shaming Hannah because she said he was in her big shouty attempt to deflect and cast herself as some sort of feminist icon.

    I think Luke and Madison were the most interesting people in their seasons.  In fact I would love to see more   diversity of religion, with more Muslims, Orthodox Jews, Buddhists, as well as  Evangelical Christians like Luke and Madison.  I'd also like to hear someone say if you're way into Nascar (or crafting, or gun collecting, or pet reptiles, or liver and onions, or Crossfit) that would be a deal breaker for me.

    I too defended Luke. I think, since Hannah is a woman, the audience mostly made up of women related to her more and went into defense mode.  Now, the sexes have been reversed and the audience is protective over Madison because she's a woman.  I don't think any man, not just Luke, would get the benefit of the doubt Madison is getting for making this ultitmatum.  If a man says it, he's being controlling. If a woman says it, she has high standards. That's just what I'm seeing. 

    I get the history. I do. But there's nothing controlling to me about someone, male or female, saying I'm not proposing to or accepting a proposal from someone who just slept with multiple other people the same week. That's just being sane. Madison and Luke have just highlighted the absurdness of this whole process and why most of the final pairings don't work.  Over two decades of the bachelor and only one bachelor has married his final one, and he was abstaining. Colton's the only other one with his final one and he too kept it in his pants. This isn't a coincidence. 

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  17. 21 minutes ago, Cornhusker12 said:

    The big difference was that Luke was an asshole all season and Hannah gave him chance after chance and disregarded warnings from other guys multiple times. He may have been "walking the walk" in terms of his born again virginity, but not in being a pious virtuous person. When he got all sanctimonious at the end it made Hannah realize how phony he was and how duped she had been. That's why it was different. Madison might be saying the same things, but she didn't have an entire season's worth of acting like a jerk leading up to that moment.

    I said a difference is that Madison is a likable woman. The conversation, though, was no different than the one Luke had with Hannah during fantasy suites, which was my point. They both gave ultimatums based on their religious beliefs. We have no clue if Madison is a perfect Christian either. In fact, we know she isn't, because no one is. I concede Luke was a mess last season but his FS conversation with Hannah was the same as Madison's with Peter.

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  18. 13 hours ago, Mswldflwr said:

    More like Hannah B, I'd say.

     

    Yep. Isn't Luke P abstaining from sex until marriage and has been since he got saved? That means he's walking the walk. 

    I see no difference between what Luke said and what Madison said. Madison is just more articulate and a likable woman. She gave him an ultimatum and preached about her "high standards" all the same. It's funny to watch the different reactions, though. I went back to watch Luke P's conversation again and he was very calm and said nothing offensive or unreasonable. Hannah was defensive because she felt guilty about banging those other men and wanted the freedom to bang them all and still get a proposal. Cool if another man wanted to propose to her after that, but Luke said he did not. He never said she wasn't worthy of some other man. Madison is saying the exact same.

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  19. I didn’t have a problem with Victoria’s reaction because of how peter went about it. He was about to meet her parents but first! Let’s talk about this vague accusation my ex made about you! He’s an idiot and I don’t feel bad for him when these women go off on him because he is spineless.

     

    Im also not about to brand Victoria with the letter A based on rumors. That’s dangerous. For all we know she batted her eyelashes at a dude and he went crazy for her and she’s being called a home wrecker. A lot of women are projecting when it comes to this Victoria F situation; we don’t know Victoria f or what she’s done.
     

    Based on the preview I see no difference with what Madison will say and what Luke p said. I stuck up for Luke P back then. Luke was very calm when he stated his dealbreaker and Hannah b flew off the handle because of her guilt about sexing multiple men. My guess is peter will handle what Madison says more rationally so the conversation won’t look as bad. But she’s making the same ultimatum.

     

     

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  20. 1 hour ago, reggiejax said:

    Perhaps, but couldn't that be said of all The Bachelors? Obviously we don't really know these people, how they were raised, or what they've had to endure, but I'm fairly certain that, to a man, none have come from disadvantage. A lot of them are "to the manor born", literally in Prince Lorenzo's case. Even "Farmer Chris" comes from a very successful farming family. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, as I get the feeling there is probably one of these guys who did have to scrap for everything he's achieved. In any event, I don't think if Peter has had an easy time in life that it makes him unique here.

    All that said, I do think he's one of the bigger dopes this show has ever seen fit to cast as the lead.

    Peter never left his family bubble. Same for Chris, though being a farmer he probably at least interacted with lower income people. Colton made NFL practice squads which meant he spent time in diverse locker rooms in college and the NFL, close quarters with others not like him. Peter grew up a prince and never left his castle it seems by how his parents act. My point was more about peter's limited exposure to people unlike him, not wealth or white.

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  21. 1 hour ago, valen said:

    I saw a clip of her saying she was so excited it was Peter and that she was hoping it would be him. She's definitely aware of his past, but she probably hopes that if he loves her, he can wait, which he could if he did. But he probably won't.

    They all say that. I remember Dylan telling Hannah b that and it was clear on paradise he signed up for Hannah G.

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  22. 4 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

    It seems disingenuous to me to keep contestants around knowing you won’t pick them because you don’t want to appear racist. 

    You have to keep some women around and Peter only kept one WOC around. I don’t think he would ever pick Kelsey either.

  23. 20 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

    Have any of the Bachelors ended up with a black contestant? 

    No. I think Sean was the only one who had even dated black women before. He chose an asian woman.

    Peter strikes me as someone who didn't even have POC as friends growing up. Colton seemed attracted to Katie and Tayshia, but he played football and was at least exposed to other races because of that. 

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  24. Another thought: I wonder if Madison signed up for Colton. He seems more of what she's looking for. I can't see her signing up for any of the men on Hannah's season except Luke but he was the early villain and never in the running for bachelor.

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