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4 hours ago, Eyes High said:
It wasn't just a ruse to fool Grey Worm. Tyrion would have said so otherwise.
Sure, because these producers would never allow for an action that wasn't perfectly telescoped to viewers beforehand.
Truly, though, I hope you are correct. In my own, off screen world, Jon woke up and realized how badly he and Dany were both used to dispatch the NK, and then Cersei, and finally he was used to dispatch Dany (Tyrion could have done the deed himself if he hadn't chosen to so publicly quit his office) and decided to ride off with Ghost and Tormond and let 7K take care of their own messes.
We were promised a bittersweet ending, but unless you're a big Sansa, Bronn, Bran and Tyrion booster, I don't see any sweet.
In the end, nothing got better for the "little people." If anything the small council became even less representative. Iirc, Pycelle, Varys, Baelish all came from nothing, for the most part. On the new council, only Davos and Bronn ever had to make their own way in the world.
What I see is a dystopian sci-fi scenario that's been presented into a fantasy setting. That's not subversion, that's bait and switch. Fantasy exists because it IS fantasy.
It's still great TV, but at this point I feel like the kid in The Princess Bride: Jesus, grandpa, why'd you read me this story?
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12 hours ago, Miles said:
The nights watch makes no sense. The north isn't in the seven/six kingdoms anymore, so how/why would their prisoners be sent there? Also who would fund a now completely useless institution?
Still gotta have a place to send undesirables. OR, it was lip service for Grey Worm's sake, with the council figuring he'd never come back to Westeros and follow up.
12 hours ago, bijoux said:*The point about Bran's story is very good actually, it just came too late and was too on the nose in its execution. I also conditionally liked how they reframed Dany's actions not as the result of her parentage, but her conquests and getting reaffirmation through them, so kind of buying her own press. Again, makes sense, but much too late and not developed enough.
On another note, is Gendry completely fucked? Davos would be his best ally, but he's in King's Landing as the Master of Grammar (yeah, he is!) and Gendry is in Storm's End without a clue on how to be a lord.
The point about Bran's story was straight out of SXSW tech seminars and other tech era marketing/branding — the notion that we're all suckers who prefer a good story to good products (only it's sold with a nicer sound to it).
The lack of Gendry at the trial/council is just another piece of evidence of how badly D and D fucked this up. He wasn't a character to them, just a device.
12 hours ago, Callista said:I wasn't happy that Arya and Yara's first and only conversation was antagonistic.
And I don't understand why, during Arya and Jon's farewell, Arya was written as being determined never to go North again, not even to visit Jon. Some explorers do get to come home from time to time, don't they?
The producers have constantly used Arya, as a fan favorite, in these last seasons as a way to attempt to manipulate viewers into seeing other characters the way they want us to — but ain't so because that's not the way they're writing them. Sansa is the smartest person she knows. Dany is dangerdangerdanger. So now we're supposed to think Yara or anyone else who might defend Dany should just keep their mouths shut.
12 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:Come to think of it there is a scene missing of Yara being told/processing what Theon did and how he fought hard and saved Bran. If she does in fact know that I could see that somewhat factoring into her grudgingly supporting Bran as King- her brother died protecting him.
I like Bran and his TER arc and definitely see him as a hero and yet when he answered Tyrion’s question with the whole ‘I wouldn’t have come all this way if I wasn’t going to take the crown’, Issac’s reading of that line was almost chilling as if hinting that the TER had motives/goals/ambitions forethought of his own that were not necessarily altruistic towards the people of Westeros. If this were any other series, I’d think this was set up for a whole new kind of problem for the six kingdoms and the possible the world with Bran the Broken being a whole new level of villain.
Re: Yara, that's just another example of how the story was rushed. Who gives a shit if there are tons of action-hero-blow-shit-up fans who will be restless and complain about scenes where no one is getting killed and OMG people are sitting around talking?
11 hours ago, Sentient Meat said:I don't get why Grey Worm had so much power just because of his personal vendetta against Cersei. I understand that the Unsullied were crucial to saving Westeros, but is the message really that one can have a semi democracy as long as you kiss the military's ass, no matter if they are right or wrong?
Grey Worm commanded an army that could wipe out pretty much all of Westeros, so yeah, he gets a say. We don't know how much of the Vale army survived, and wend down to KL, do we?
11 hours ago, Colorful Mess said:Ygritte kills one dude and Jon leaves her ass.
Melisandre burns one girl and Jon banishes her.
Stannis executes one man by fire and Jon disobeys.
Jon commits treason against Stannis by switching babies.
Daenerys kills THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people and Jon's like "but I luvre her" and even then he still agonizes over whether it was the right thing to do.
Dany burns an entire city and he's like... IDK TYRION. SHE'S MY QUEEN. She said she was going to take over more cities and Jon just stares like, a dumb cult member.
I can understand Jon going into self-imposed exile due to the guilt. But Jon expresses no guilt for his role in enabling Dany's war crimes. Only Tyrion acknowledged that Dany did wrong, out of his own volition. Jon was more concerned about killing a murderous tyrant than the thousands killed in front of him.
In one of the S07 BTS vids, D and D said that telling Jon about his true parents shook his whole world, more or less. That's another thing that we weren't shown because the season was so fucking rushed.
The worst thing in that is Jon's utter failure to step up in the moments when the Lannister soldiers surrendered, and take charge of what was going on, "My Queen ... King's Landing is yours!" If Dany had then proceeded to burn everything, it would have at least given some real justification.
10 hours ago, jeansheridan said:Jon greeting Ghost was everything. Let the healing begin. I expect happy Jon and Tormund fanfiction.
Please let it be fanfiction where Tormund, like Edmure, isn't 96% used for comic relief.
10 hours ago, Oscirus said:They're talking about bringing back Brothels, so I assume its government run. Also doubles as a way to have that honeycomb call back.
Considering Dany pretty much wiped out the entire population of KL, that means there's hardly anyone there for the labor pool, to do the physical work of any rebuilding. So they have to find a way to get big strong men there, to do the labor for them. Brothels is the lure. It's also, as we know from Littlefinger and Varys, a great way to have blackmail material on your enemies and reluctant friends.
5 hours ago, Sakura12 said:I don't think the wheel was really broken, they chose a King that can't have kids, which would've been the same for Dany. Its basically the same system, the rich get to chose and rule and they just gave all the power to one family, The Starks.
The council is made up of a Hand that is partially responsible for what happened, a corruptible cutthroat is the Master of Coin, Sam is a maester with no chains. I'll give them Davos, he's the best out of the bunch. And Brieanne who is probably that surviving Knight. That looks the same old to me. As evident with their talk about funding brothels instead of getting food and ships. To the small folk probably not much as changed, the rich lords still dont care about them. Then they have a King that that doesn't make decisions and can just roll his eyes in the back of his head when he doesn't want to listen to people.
Yep. I don't see much difference between Bran and Aerys and Henry VI, who Aerys was modeled after, IIRC.
4 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:He swore (again) to take no wife and father no children.
And yet, Sam has a wife and a child. I will fanwank some sort of sex partner/companion for Jon, if not a kid. He didn't want one when he thought he was a bastard, because he didn't want to risk foisting that legacy on a kid, I can't see him wanting to foist the Targaryen legacy, either.
4 hours ago, benteen said:Disappointing. Disappointing end to a disappointing season. This seemed to be a rush job by D&D and without any more source material to go on, they didn’t have the talent to pull it off. I’m not letting GRRM off the hook. He got famous and lazy and lost interest in writing the story and we’re left with this.
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I agree though…if GRRM told D&D this, why did they have Bran off-camera for an entire season?
One of my favorite moments tonight though was when they all started to laugh when Sam suggested letting the people decide (including Sansa which doesn’t surprise me at all).
GRRM is a literary fraud, AFAIC, and will be until he gets off his ass and finishes this. And it was his fraud in allowing HBO to begin filming before the books were completed. I'll also lay some of it on the books' publishers/editors as well, for not hounding him for completion.
I felt like Royce's joke was directed at the viewers. Haha! You thought we were going to break that wheel, didn't you? I find some comfort in telling myself that Jon going off with the wildlings, and establishing a more democratic society up North, with no need to escape their climate or other local boogeyman, will eventually lead to a North that is far more advanced than the rest of Westeros, which is going to continue to be constrained by kings and lords who need to get constant rim service.
3 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:So, Bran bears no responsibility for setting the whole tragic chain of events in motion? And never sharing any of his omniscient information in an attempt to save innocent people? He served up Jon Snow as the fall guy - the supposed rightful heir - and Jon gets shipped off to the north to never marry or have children.
Bran and Sam ended up doing pretty well for themselves after just a few weeks of getting the Rightful King rumor mill started.
And lastly, Tyrion pushing Bran as leader because, instead of gold or weapons, stories and storytellers are the most reliable means of binding people together? ...what a BS way to try to suck your own dicks, D&D...
Yep. I don't have a problem with where everyone wound up in the end: I'm okay with Bran as king. I'm okay with Sansa as Lady of the North. I'm okay with Tyrion as Hand. I'm okay with Jon going North, and Dany being dead. We have been prepped for this end since Season 2, I feel.
What I'm not okay with, is how we got this end. Everything was rushed. The writers constantly relied on visual cues and other short cuts: shots of Bran in his wheelchair looking like Bran on a throne; Dany, all in black, with dragon wings and her hairdo styled to make her look even more like a dragon; "The Bells" sending her to a psychotic break. That's not storytelling! That's a music video version of storytelling.
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6 minutes ago, catrice2 said:
but all the Stark's got their happy endings..
Which would have been wonderful, if seasons 3-7 could have actually concentrated on the Starks, instead of Cersei and Tyrion. But because the Starks were all teenagers or young adults, their portrayers didn't have the advanced acting chops needed to carry a show.
Also, if Sansa wasn't such a selfish cunt.
*sigh*
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20 minutes ago, Captain Carrot said:
But when did Arya ever indicate a desire to sail or explore the world?
Fan service, courtesy of a throwaway line from Season 6.
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On 5/13/2019 at 10:06 AM, GraceK said:
I feel she was gaslighted and pushed into this. It didn’t have to be this way.
This. And if anyone pushed it into being, it was Bran, of all people. Bran, who dictated how, when, and why Jon was to be informed he'd been banging his auntie. Additionally, he got an assist from Sansa, whose hostility set the mood for the rest of the Northerners to follow.
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28 minutes ago, lucindabelle said:
You’ve got this exactly backwards.
hitler never freed any slaves. Hitler never had any “right” to rule.
cersei blew up the sept. Cersei started the war with the starks.
drogon bombing KL is much more like allies bombing Hiroshima. Innocents died there too and many people argue we shouldn’t have done it.
Yet, the preview for next week looks very much like Dany's going to get her Nuremburg moment. I wonder where her adoring masses will come from? Certainly not KL?
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17 hours ago, RobertDeSneero said:
The actor who plays Bran seems to think that the character believes that history should unfold naturally while he watches.
Except when he wanted Sam to tell Jon about Rheagar and Lyanna.
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1 hour ago, ulkis said:
There's no way imo. It's not like they ever felt pressure because of the ratings.
Subscribers, then, and prestige/ego.
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3 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:
There are news stories floating around today that say GRRM has finished the books. I believe a release date has been announced for the sixth.
Who knows for sure, tho.Sometimes I do wonder if HBO / D and D didn't lean on him to delay publication, thinking it would be better for their ratings/subscriber base.
Oh, and by the way: Tyrion killed Jaime, by setting him free. Think about that.
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I really dreaded watching this episode, cause I got spoilered. The pleasant surprise was Dany didn't really go all out apeshit and really, when I think about it ... Kings Landing got the roasting it's had coming for a long time.
Am I really supposed to feel sorry for these so-called innocents? These are the people who cheered when Ned was executed. These are the people who ripped the limbs off of one of Joffrey's guards (instead of Joff). These are the people who threw shit at Cersei, accepted what the Sparrows were doing, and then did nothing to rebel when Cersei blew up the Sept? And now they hide under her protection?
Fuck 'em. Burn them all.
But Dany must be mad and evil to tear that cesspool down. So much for the fantasy aspect. And yes, I'm going to be pissed as all fucking hell if the message, when all is said and done, comes down to: women are more accepted and successful when they manipulate people and events to get their way (Sansa, and Cersei until she took the throne for herself), and best leaving the open attacks to menfolk. That is, except for Arya and Brienne.
So Jamie treated Brienne to a pity fuck, and went back to die in Cersei's arms? Weak. They both got better deaths than they deserved, in that case.
Loved Arya and the Hound's parting. "Sandor," indeed.
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20 hours ago, Oscirus said:
The hardcore fans let down on this season will likely love the first four seasons
First three seasons, Max. And will maybe skip on to S7E4.
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3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:
It would be too close to Dune for me
In addition to which, where is there any free will at all if Bran knows everything?
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On 5/5/2019 at 12:59 PM, stagmania said:
Viewing Dany as the villain in this scenario requires the characters and audience to be extremely hypocritical.
Thank you!Robert: started a war because he was jilted. Got to be king. Good guy Ned Stark, moral backbone of the show, served him and remained his bestie, agreed to marry his daughter to Robert's spawn.
Some long-past Targaryen burned Harenhall to pieces. Got to rule.
Cersei - blows up the Sept, cuckholds the king, passes off her incestuous crop and the residents of KL who were willing to tear the Guard apart by their limbs accept her.
But Dany's mad and unfit? Fuck that.
I'm down with the idea of destroying the throne and monarchy, altogether, but if they have to destroy Dany's character to do it, that's some bullshit.
On 5/5/2019 at 1:38 PM, ElizaD said:When did the surge of bets on King Bran take place? I'm now wondering if that was due to crew members wanting to make money but not caring about the internet fame of being a leaker. Before this even fake leaks had trouble figuring out something for him to do.
I'd put money on Bran as a hedge, if nothing else. That wheelchair looks more like a throne, every episode.
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26 minutes ago, AshleyN said:
She (understandably) views pretty much everyone as a threat and because of that hates the idea of anyone having power over her, but she knows Jon would never hurt her. Plus, she'd have a much greater ability to personally influence him than any other king or queen.
Sansa is being written as a total cunt, and D and D will say how boss she is and get away with it because she doesn't have the power - at least for now - to force actions as any kind of follow through on her antipathy for Dany.
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1st impressions:
If Dany ends up losing her shit and dies bitterly, I'm going to be very, very pissed off.
Damn, Sansa was finally becoming tolerable. Now she's reverting back to her Season 1 selfish itch, with less charm. And D and D are using Arya to prop this crap up, what sucks even more.
Poor Missandei. So sorry Dany's magic word didn't work for her.
Poor Grey Worm.
Poor Dany, to have to watch Jorah, Rheagol, and Missandei all die in her service.
Poor Gendry. Arya used him. She should have slept with Pod.
I wonder if Euron picked up on Tyrion's baby talk.
Poor Brienne. Love of a good woman couldn't keep Jaime from heading South. Poor Jaime.
Poor Jon, stuck between a rock and a hard place. And Tormond spilling the beans about his death! What do the surviving Northerners think that was all about?
Poor Tyrion, he's the only sane person in the show right now.
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10 hours ago, aprilbabe said:
Seems like it. I wonder is Friki will continue to stand by his Tyrion trial
I've been staying the hell away from spoilers for months and ya know, just from what the TV is showing me, it makes a whole lot more sense if it's Cersei who's put on trial.
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1. I don't think Maggie's prophecy about Little Bro made it into the script.
2. Arya had her big kill, so it's doubtful she'll get two.
3. Tyrion doesn't seem to be jealous of Jon and Dany, so that motive doesn't look like a thing.
4. I'm very curious to see where his reunion with Sansa goes. If they end up in bed, no way does he betray her, having finally found the acceptance he craves. If they go to bed and it goes well, I say the trial is Cersei's.
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11 hours ago, Umbelina said:
What did you guys think of Arya's demeanor after sex? I'm hoping that look was worry about the coming battle and not "well, that was certainly a let down."
She should have slept with Pod
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4 hours ago, Affogato said:
Honestly people really have issues with female heroes. They nitpick them, mary sue them, clap loudly if the rise high and start to fall.It is hard to eradicate.
Yep. Over in Freefolk, people are calling out the Mary Sue kids as incels.
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Early on: he repeatedly calls her "Boy."
3:53 "my tongue lied, my eyes shouted the truth."So, Arya went beyond Syrio and lied with her eyes. Pretty cool.
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Pretty sure GRRM said Nymeria will make another appearance, but that may be book only.
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The crypt survivors shot is a little humorous in a 'clean up in aisle 4' kind of way.
Bran's wheelchair kind of looks like a throne, doesn't it?
The look between Arya and Bran at the end says so much, with so few words: everything we went through, to get to this moment.
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2 hours ago, stagmania said:
Arya doesn't know how the Night King was created and the team had no idea how to kill him - so she just happened to get lucky in her Hail Mary attempt by stabbing him in exactly the right place with exactly the right weapon.
You don't know that. D and D have a habit of not showing pertinent discussions that will affect what we see on the screen. Example: we didn't see whatever discussion Bran, Sansa and Arya may have had before killing Littlefinger, and yet, somehow, they all magically arrived at the same resolution.
Bran has had plenty of time, off-screen, to share his vision with Arya on this one. And considering that he gave her "exactly the right weapon," it makes sense they did.
I expect to see not a little exposition in EP04.
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4 hours ago, sistermagpie said:
But jumping and screaming at him was the stealth. She knew he'd hear her coming when she screamed. That's also why it's not a mistake when Bran's expression changes when he sees her coming. The stealth was her pretending to be vanquished and dropping the knife only to stick it in exactly the right place. So screaming just supported the act.
At the time Arya made herself known with the scream, NK was pulling for his sword, leaving his frontal space open.
By getting his attention in that way, at that moment, he had to fully expose himself to her, to get his hands on her.
Had she quietly jumped onto his back, not only would she have had more work to get to his vulnerable spot, but it would also have given his lieutenants a good reason to fire their spears at her. Instead, they were left to see he had her handled very well on his own.
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14 hours ago, Raachel2008 said:
I think we can all agree that Jaime is the valonqr.
Current fancy: Jaime + Tyrion together. I get to hope this because so many other so-called spoilers have leaked out, that turned out to be 100% incorrect.
14 hours ago, Leila6 said:We’re to believe that Arya got past all those white walkers with literally none of them seeing her or stopping her? What, did she fly through the trees? Total bullshit.
On re-watch, look for the breeze that made one of the white walkers look around for its unseen source. Somehow, either jumping out of the Weirwood tree, or into one, Arya made that breeze happen.
14 hours ago, go4luca said:Watching all those Dothraki blade flames go out and the silence that followed set the entire episode up brilliantly.
Even though I knew our heroes were going to live and go on to KL, that still set me up to feel everyone was doomed, anyway. Excellent film-making. And Miguel Sapotchnik is never going to want for work.
14 hours ago, Tippi said:I am disappointed that all this Prince Who Was Promised stuff has apparently turned out to be nothing, at least so far is Jon is concerned. All this build up that Jon was something special pretty much evaporated with how this played out. I love Arya, I'm fine with her killing the NK, but it seems to me that Jon should have been involved in the killing somehow.
IIRC, PWWP has really been negligible, overall. Yes, Melisandre and her prophecy, but it was never really emphasized, beyond Stannis's big season or two. And it's been a point, how badly Mel was getting things wrong, over and over again. So why couldn't she have been wrong all along? If it was just one more thing D and D decided was a distraction from clear-cut storytelling, in a visual medium, I'm okay with it.
14 hours ago, GraceK said:Was I the only one who laughed when Jon was rushing to get to Bran and saw Sam crying while he was swarmed by wights screaming for help and just left him? 😂
I didn't laugh, but, I thought it was poignant and telling that Jon recognized he had to Big Picture thinking at that moment; everyone was fighting their hearts out, and Sam needed to put on his big boy shorts or get out of there.
14 hours ago, rmontro said:From the previews, there doesn't appear to be any conflict between Jon and Dany, so that's good.
I want to think that going through that battle together just makes/made their personal dilemma look tiny in comparison. As far as we know, Jon still doesn't want to be Kof7K, and whatever Northerners survived through the Long Night have Dany, all the sacrificed Dothraki and Unsullied to thank for keeping them alive until NK was killed, and if they don't recognize that, fuck 'em.
14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:I think it says something about all the prophesy stuff. It only has as much meaning or power as you choose to give it. So there very well may be nothing to the valonqar thing (which I've never liked anyway) or Dany believing she's barren because another witch led her to think so.
In the flashback to Maggie the Frog, did Maggie tell Cersei about her death in the show? I don't recall that.
14 hours ago, Misplaced said:and the knife drop from her left hand to her right? That is a direct callback to some episode where someone killed someone else and I can’t remember what or who. Ahhhhh I thought it was all Arya perfection.
Was it maybe the fight between Syrio vs Meryn Trant? Oberyn vs the Mountain?
13 hours ago, AshleyN said:I couldn't help but compare her behavior here to the Battle of the Blackwater, where she took charge of the people in the holdfast when Cersei couldn't be bothered, and found ways to use her skills as a "lady" to offer comfort and calm.
Blackwater was a different fight, altogether. Sansa knew what her fate would be, one way or the other, there. Live and get raped, or die and die at the hands of living people. Blackwater also didn't have waves where she'd hear all manner of battle scenes going on, and then, complete silence, leaving her to assume the absolute worst.
11 hours ago, Miles said:I have to say, I really didn't like that. I would have loved if we had seen the Night King looking at Bran, him suddenly shattering and revealing that Arya was standing behind him, with the dagger in her hand. That would have shown off her increadible stealthing ability. Jumping at him screaming seems so out of character for her.
See above re: stealthing ability and the breeze she caused. If Arya hadn't screamed and made herself known exactly when she did, NK might not have turned around while he was vulnerable, and if he hadn't done that, he might not have exposed his weak spot to her.
10 hours ago, RobertDeSneero said:The main reason that Peter Jackson's trilogy wasn't a complete triumph for me was the excising of the Scouring of the Shire. We get that now with the resumption of the fight for the Iron Throne. While post-war was messy for the hobbits, it is less messy for everyone else in the book. I think ASOIAF is meant to show the aftermath for everyone.
This, so much. The Scouring was important because it was the war the Hobbits had to fight on their own, without intervention by Wizards and Elves. If Drogon and Rheagol are still alive when all is said and done, or if they are the greatest factor in the final war, that will be a surprise to me.
4 hours ago, ACW said:I have a strong feeling that A Man came over with the Golden Company, to deal with A Girl. Either because she's *really* broken the rules now (I mean, the Faceless Men literally *work for* the God of Death); or because she was trained specifically for this mission, and now it's done.
Either way, I wonder if the last word Arya will hear (or say) is "Today."
I have got to put my faith in GRRM's wife's threat re: if he kills off Arya. Between her and Jon, I think Jon is the more likely to wind up with his eyes permanently closed. He, too, is a wraith, after all.
eta: And, as pointed out below, Arya ought to be one of the God of Death's favorite people about now. The NK was robbing him. By killing him, Arya rested many, many names the GoD was counting on.
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S08.E06: The Iron Throne
in Game Of Thrones
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Without her father's wealth and support, she never would have had the training and equipment to win in the lists. Without her family status, she never would have been allowed anywhere near the lists, or Renley..