Joe Hellandback November 20, 2018 Share November 20, 2018 The Good; Fabulous, the wonderful flashbacks and Faith and Willow working together with AI, just amazing! The Bad; All too wonderful for anything like that. A bit stupid that they put Ally's name in the opening titles, spoils the surprise of her appearance somewhat. Best line; Faith; "Dust in the wind. Candle in the wind. There'll be a general wind theme" plus flapper "Pound snow you mook!" Apocalypses: 5 Fang Gang in bondage: Angel chained up at the end Cordy: 5 Angel: 14 Wes: 6 Gunn; 4 Lorne; 4 Fred; 2 Fang gang knocked out: Faith in a coma, again! Gunn knocked out by Connor Cordy: 15 Angel: 16 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 2 Lorne; 5 Groo; 1 Connor; 1 Faith; 1 Kinky dinky: CC accuses Connor of liking the way Faith 'cracked her whip' and thinks he wants to be in her 'leather clad lap'. Wes tells Willow about having a woman chained in a closet, she seems more intrigued than shocked. Angelus refers to keeping Faith's thighs warm. CC and Connor's relationship is described as 'icky'. Faith says of Connor 'Break me off a switch, there's going to be a whipping!". Angelus refers to 'eating' his mama!!!! Captain Subtext; Willow describes Connor as handsome and androgynous, hmmmm? Plenty of Fred/Willow subtext, even Wes gives a little look when Willow strokes Fred's chin, especially when Willow asks 'What's Fred's story?' and speaks of 'The call of Fred'. Fred wants to discuss Baachanals with Willow. However she later tells Fred 'I'm seeing someone' by which she means Kennedy back in Sunnydale. Faith calls Angelus 'princess'. What the fanficcers thought; Not much fic on this ep itself but quite a lot of slashfic on Willow and Faith's drive back to Sunnydale, Willow saying she 'Got a Slayer' from the whole affair. Missing scenes; According to the commentary we have an extra scene where Faith and Angelus see Angel discovering the Hyperion? Why not include that on special edition DVDs? Questions and observations; Willow makes her 3rd appearance on Angel. This is actually quite momentous as it means she's actually the 2nd most prolific character in the Buffyverse. Angel is number 1 with 167eps (57eps of Buffy and 110 eps of his own show), Willow is 2nd with 147eps (144 eps of Buffy and 3 appearances on Angel) and Buffy herself is joint 3rd with 146eps (144 eps of her own show and 2 guest slots on Angel not counting archive footage taken from Buffy or the movie) with Cordy who also has 146 appearances (57 eps of Buffy and 89eps of Angel). Then comes Xander with 143 eps of Buffy (he's in every ep of Buffy except 'Conversations with Dead People'), Giles with 123 eps of Buffy, Spike with 120 (97 eps of Buffy and 23 of Angel) and Wes with 107 (6eps of Buffy and 101 of Angel). I'm sure most Xena fans will recognise Adrienne Wilkinson who played Xena's daughter Livia/Eve as the flapper whose dog Angel saves. Met her at a convention once and she's beautiful and charming. Spoiler Gina Torres, another Xena/Hercules alumni will turn up in a few eps time and Orpheus is the name of an early Xena ep. The flashbacks help us track the various stages of Angel through the years. They basically fall down to; 1. Post resouling daze; (as seen in Darla) 2. Try to get back with Darla in Peking; 3. Coming to America; ('Orpheus') 4. Brooding loner; (up until the events of 'Are you now or ever have been?') 5. Hedonism aka The Manilow Years; (up until feeding on the guy in the doughnut shop in Orpheus) 6. Street tramp; (up until meeting Whistler in Becoming pt2) 7. Sunnydale CC refers to Willow as Glinda, the good witch from The Wizard of Oz (Cordy herself doing a good impression of the Wizard behind the screen). If you haven't seen Wicked go immediately, it's great and you'll never watch TWOO the same way again. What a shame we never get Barry Manilow to guest star as he did on Will and Grace. Gunn once again tells Connor off, once again playing the father role to him. With the exception of flashback this will be the last time we see Angelus begging the question is he actually gone for good after Angel and Angelus' epic face off in the dreamworld. Marks out of 10; 10/10 Faith AND Willow in the same episode of Angel, makes you want to cry with happiness! Rewatched this one 4 times! I know I previously said 5 by 5 was my favourite but actually this is my favourite although the Wes drops the knife bit is still my favourite moment ever Link to comment
Spartan Girl November 20, 2018 Share November 20, 2018 My favorite line: "I've done a lot of things I wish I could take back." "Yeah, like those Manilow concerts, YOU SON OF A BITCH!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Faith beating Connor's ass was awesome. 2 Link to comment
MerelyAFan December 3, 2018 Share December 3, 2018 I think its somewhat illustrative of Wesley's complicated and baggage heavy relationship with the gang that it takes an outsider like Willow for him to even express some discomfort with what he's become. He's pretty much kept up the cold exterior ever since the Price, but for all the talk and occasional memes about the "badass Wesley", its a scene that really shows how unhappy he really is as this version of himself. I'm curious if seeing how Willow's managed to come back from her own dark place is what starts to get him away from the distant and bitter shell he developed over the past year. 2 Link to comment
Joe Hellandback December 4, 2018 Author Share December 4, 2018 On 20/11/2018 at 11:24 AM, Spartan Girl said: My favorite line: "I've done a lot of things I wish I could take back." "Yeah, like those Manilow concerts, YOU SON OF A BITCH!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Faith beating Connor's ass was awesome. Absolutely, the hunting Angeus arc is the highpoint of the series in my opinion. Oh, I should also add The Wizard of Oz to Buffy, Ray Bolger is in BSG with Dirk Benedict who is in Baywatch with Charisma Carpenter so in 3. On 03/12/2018 at 12:21 AM, MerelyAFan said: I think its somewhat illustrative of Wesley's complicated and baggage heavy relationship with the gang that it takes an outsider like Willow for him to even express some discomfort with what he's become. He's pretty much kept up the cold exterior ever since the Price, but for all the talk and occasional memes about the "badass Wesley", its a scene that really shows how unhappy he really is as this version of himself. I'm curious if seeing how Willow's managed to come back from her own dark place is what starts to get him away from the distant and bitter shell he developed over the past year. That's well put although part of me says it's because they'd been dating in real life and they wanted a scene together. 1 Link to comment
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