jaybear1701

Yes. I was just speculating about Bobo needing the heir (heirs?) alive. Though, after last night's episode with Bobo rushing off to save the Earps, I'm thinking maybe the spec holds some water? Three angles for the Ghost River Triangle,three Earps...

I often wonder about this too. The Revenants clearly outnumber Wynonna so why don't they all just bumrush her when she's not on the homestead? But then, maybe they don't because Bobo needs the heir to escape the Ghost River Triangle? I only recently caught up with this show and I have to say I'm enjoying it, flaws and all. It reminds me of the campy, cheesy genre shows I grew up with in the 90s/early00s. It also helps that the characters all seem like mashups of Buffy archetypes, like Wynonna = Buffy/Faith, Dolls = Giles/Riley (?), Doc = Angel/Spike, Waverly = Willow/Dawn, Nicole = Tara/Oz (?), Constance = Drusilla, etc. etc. I think it has a lot of potential and I hope it gets renewed.

Agree 100%. In Season 1, they had a few throwaway lines about calling the other clones and getting them up to speed. There really was none of that this season. I'm sure they have to cut a lot of what they film - but sometimes it turns into a head scratcher. For example, in 2x03, Alison said to Cosima that since she was being "double monitored," that means DYAD knew that she was aware about Donnie, and that meant Cosima "definitely" couldn't trust Delphine. Huh? How would any of that have to do with Delphine? Unless there was a scene in which Cosima told Delphine that Alison suspected Donnie as her monitor, as a small test of her loyalty. Or it could just be Alison's paranoia. Just weird.

That pretty much sums up Rachel for me - so lacking in love all her life (Leekie aside, I guess) that she apparently forgot what it felt like. And not just filial love, but any love really. No wonder she lashes out at Sarah and Cosima, who (to her) have everything she's always wanted. Sarah has all the familial love that Rachel never had - from Kira (child), Mrs. S (parent), and Felix/Helena/Cosima (siblings). In that sense, I can understand her desire to have a baby because a child would love her unconditionally. Meanwhile, Cosima has the romantic love with Delphine that Rachel probably never experienced, either with her own monitors or other men. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see Daniel really loving Rachel. And I doubt Paul had any genuine feelings for her. I loved how she rolled her eyes when Delphine practically begged to say goodbye to Cosima - as if to say, please, you're just her monitor you can drop the act. But when Delphine unequivocally states that she loves Cosima, Rachel actually does pause as she's walking away, perhaps filing away another resentment against her genetic identicals. So what a blow it must have been to know that Ethan - who seemingly never tried to get her back in over 20 years - chose Sarah and Cosima over her, with respect to giving the cypher to Sarah (well, Kira) and refusing to unlock the rest of the synthetic sequences until DYAD cured Cosima. Yowza. No wonder she went off the chain!!! With all that said, I hope Rachel isn't dead. I don't know if I necessarily want a redemption arc for her. But with Marion on the clones' side (for now), we still need a strong antagonist from the DYAD sphere and Rachel would fit the bill.

The OB cast and crew have been flooding twitter today with selfies thanking the Clone Club. It is super cute. A sampling: Tatiana, Michiel, Maria (love the fork & knife. Ha!), Evelyne, Kristian, and Josh.

Completely agree with all of the above, especially the no more kidnapping storylines, keeping Rachel around, and letting the monitors meet up. I'd add: 1. Cure Cosima quickly. Maybe they'll do a time jump and we'll find in the S3 premiere that she's all better b/c she used the stem cells from Helena's embryos to sustain her until she and Scott developed a gene therapy cure with Duncan's cypher. I can't handle another season of her sick/dying. 2. More of the Clone Club working as a cohesive unit, instead of splintering off into their own storylines and not really communicating with each other. I'd even be cool with more phone calls and Skype chats to give Tatiana a break! 3. On a similar note, less drama generated by either secrecy or lack of communication, especially between characters who should probably be truthful with one another (Sarah/Siobhan - the biggest culprits, Sarah/Felix, Art/Angie, Cosima/Delphine, etc.) 4. More scenes with the characters bonding - even if it means scaling back or cutting down some storyline threads. I sometimes felt meaningful character interaction was sacrificed to the plot in season 2. 5. Let Delphine and Cosima have storylines outside of each other. They started to do this in the last three episodes of season 2, and it was great! And I say that as a "Cophine" shipper too. I love their chemistry, but isolating them together for most of the season (they were even sharing a stool in the S2 character poster, for chrissakes) did neither character any favors. 6. If Rachel does survive, I'd love more scenes with Rachel/Delphine. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I liked their dynamic. Even though she was manipulating her, Rachel just always seemed kind of, I don't know, tender with Delphine? Also, it must be weird for Delphine to hate someone so much who shares a face with the woman she loves. 7. More Scott and Cosima. But please God not in a romantic way. (It may be just me, but Scott seems to have a crush on Cosima - but who wouldn't though, right?). 8. Please no Sarah/Cal/Paul love triangle. I love that Sarah has romances with the hot guys, but I love even more that they don't define her character or her motivations. 9. Maybe integrate Alison/Donnie more into the main DYAD/Military/Prolethian storylines? 10. More Felix/Clone. Any clone!

HA! I did think it was odd too, especially when Sarah, Scott, Dr. Nealon and the other medical staffers were in the room. For example, was Sarah supposed to use the fire extinguisher on Nealon? If she did, there were at least two or three other people in the room who could still subdue her and/or call for backup. As awesome as Scott is, I don't think he'd be able to overpower multiple people. So yeah it was definitely fortuitous that Rachel wanted alone time with her "sister." And yeah it definitely seemed like the plan was superfluous given that Marion/Siobhan/Paul already arranged for Sarah and Kira's freedom. But only we, the viewers, knew that. Cosima, Scott and Delphine had no way of knowing about that under-the-table deal. And they probably felt they had to do something, no matter how small, to give Sarah and Kira a shot at escaping. I have to remind myself that those three characters are scientists, and not superspy/military types, so I can forgive them for maybe not thinking everything through to fruition.

That's an interesting idea! Definitely possible, especially given The Hive's penchant for shocking developments. But I think that if they did kill off Delphine, they would do it onscreen. Aside from Sammy and the EuroClones (whom we didn't know and had no investment in), the show has always expressly portrayed character deaths - Olivier, Aynsley, Daniel, Leekie, Henrik, Ethan, etc. And these were all arguably "minor" characters played by guest stars, as opposed to Delphine, a main character portrayed by a series regular who is popular among a section of the Clone Club fandom and the creators themselves (Graeme has said in interviews and convention appearances that they created Delphine specifically for Evelyne Brochu). So we can probably take Cosima's hallucination at face value. Like others have said, Cosima probably just really wanted to see Delphine and her subconscious accommodated her. (Though watch all this speculation be wrong in 9 months. Ha!) Also, I'm glad we had confirmation that Delphine was not colluding with Rachel to kidnap Kira, and that she's sided with Cosima/Clone Club (which, in all honesty, I thought was pretty clear since 1x10 despite some of her questionable decisions). I liked that it was her e-mail to Cosima (Eskimo Pies!) that set in motion the events leading to Rachel's comeuppance. A part of me wishes she had done more to avoid going on the plane to Frankfurt, but I guess we shall what happens! Edited: spelling/grammar (way too early for me to be posting!)

Hey Shapeshifter! Not sure about a transcript, but he discusses the Rachel/Paul scene at the 31 minute mark!

Dylan Bruce did a Google+ hangout today. Lots of interesting stuff about Dylan (his favorite clone is Alison, if he could play another role on the show it would be Donnie), a few tidbits about Paul's storyline going forward, and his take on the Paul/Rachel sex scene in 2x05 (he saw it as consensual). I give Dylan extra bonus points for answering my question about whether he'd like Paul to hang out with Donnie and Delphine. Ha!!!

According to the Huffington Post, they apparently filmed a scene with the kids escaping but had to cut it during the editing process. I'm assuming there are multiple prolethian complexes scattered about. I guess they'll go to one of those?

I don't think it has anything to do with her being bright or not. She was caught between a rock and a hard place. Was she supposed to assume that Rachel was playing her? If she had made that assumption, not warned Sarah, and something happened to Kira, then that would have gone against her promise to Cosima to "love all" of the clones and to not betray them again. Of course, it turned out that Rachel's ploy all hinged on her (correct) assumption that Delphine would betray the DYAD because of her loyalty to Cosima and the clones. Delphine is really a damned if she does, damned if she doesn't character.

I agree. This reminds me of Maureen Ryan's review of the first part of the season, in which she argued that the show's strength lies in its "characters and tangled, meaty relationships" rather than its plot. It's the quiet, character moments that I really love from both seasons, whether it's Sarah and Helena making shadow puppets in the camping tent, Cosima and Delphine getting high and then threatening each other/confessing their love (lol), Donnie apologizing to Alison, etc. Those are what make me care about the characters, and if I care about the characters I can (generally) accept wherever the crazy plot may go.

Just a heads up, Tatiana is scheduled to be on Letterman tomorrow (6/11/14). ETA: Gah! OBTumblr just released an update saying Tat won't be on the show b/c of work conflicts. :(

This might be an unpopular opinion here, but I would be pretty bummed if we lost Delphine. I trust her love for Cosima, even if I don't agree with her Machiavellian choices. Or maybe I just love Evelyne Brochu too much. haha