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2 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

I also have issues with Lisa's Yulin dog festival issue. She is coming in as a super wealthy woman in Beverly Hills, casting major judgment on people who are most likely living in poverty. Unless she can boost the economy, pay for the attendees education, and give the people a job who make all their money from the Yulin dog festival, it will go on. Her ignorance on her privilge, and her complete lack of awareness of the economic status of the sellers of the dogs at Yulin is shocking to me. She is totally unaware of her privilege. The Yulin Dog Festival, imho, happens because of extreme poverty, lack of opportunities, and lack of education. The pictures I've seen of the festival, while very sad, also show people who are in bad shape themselves. These people carting dogs in cages are also incredibly dirty and poor. As I've always said-- if you are poor, your pets are going to be poor too. I think Lisa needs to spend more time researching who the people are that buy and sell at Yulin, and try to figure out how to help their situations. People are also important. 

You! YES! Or, YAAAAAAAAS! Exactly. Thank you for articulating what I couldn't.

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1 minute ago, Bronzedog said:

I've never met anyone who has had any kind of career in anything that haven't had to suffer assholes.  That's why it's called work.  Because it is.

We agree. And that was my point. Just because someone "stays" doesn't mean that they're "pleased" or "thrilled" to be there. That was my point.

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Loved this show! Saw it on Netflix, and thought it was EXCELLENT!

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27 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think it is equally as difficult for household help to find good employers,  Rocio (maybe take time to learn her name) before blasting the Todds' condescension.  So Rocio has been elevated over the years, takes vacations with them and with her high profile has probably had many offers to jump ship.

Yes, I got her name wrong. My bad. (Doesn't change my opinion by Ken and Lisa....) - but hey, I can admit when I got something wrong. And I did get her name wrong.

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2 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Ummmm (ha, speaking of condescending), I don't know what the election has to do with it when Rocio* has been with them since well before that whole shit-show. I never said I didn't think K&L are not condescending, and I can't find where WireWrap claimed that they are "wonderful." Who cares, whatever--Rocio has never seemed anything but content in the scenes she's in, so I'll assume she's fine with her job.

All I can say is that "one man's pornography, is another man's Victoria secret" -- (that is an allusion to a famous court case...) But, whatever -- as I said above, all of this is just a difference of opinion, and I am done.

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Just now, TattleTeeny said:

Agree. I think it comes off as very patronizing to imply that Rosario, or anyone, is a lowly waif who has no options in life but to take Vandepump scraps to get by (yes, I hyperbolized a little there). She's a grown woman with agency of her own and has been with them a while, so IMO it's safe to assume that she finds the "conditions" suitable and possibly even a pretty sweet gig.

Nobody is implying that Rosario doesn't have agency. But, ummmm, didn't we just go through an election year where everyone was hand-wringing about jobs? So.....

Besides, this is not about Rosario, ultimately. It's about K and L being condescending. Does everyone quit their jobs when their boss is condescending? NO. And it isn't because they don't have agency -- it's because jobs are few and far between, and strong people suffer through asshole bosses.

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6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

At this stage, Rosario, would be in the drivers seat if she was unhappy working with Lisa/Ken. IMO, there is no, absolutely no, indication she is unhappy working for them. Have you any information indicating otherwise?

Also, Lisa/Ken are far from perfect. I am sure they get mad, blow their tops, have temper tantrums, swear and are fussy like the rest of us are. And I have never claimed that everything Lisa/Ken have said is always a joke so I am not sure why you say that to me. I like them yes, I don't hide that but I have been critical of them as well.

It's a difference of opinion -- and I suspect, life experience. Hey, if you want to believe that Ken and Lisa are wonderful employers, who never talk down to people, awesome for you. I just happen to think differently. Going back and forth will change neither my opinion or yours. Have a great evening.

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6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Has it ever occurred to you (everyone, not just you personally) that Rosario gets/understands Lisa's/Ken's humor/personalities and doesn't take offense at them?

What is the issue with that comment. Good house help is hard to find, it involves a level of trust between employer/employee that doesn't occur in most jobs.

Has it ever occurred to you (everyone, not just you personally), that maybe, Rosario, like many people, doesn't enjoy her bosses, but "goes along to get along"? Just because someone stays at a job doesn't mean they love it -- or their bosses. As far as Rosario understanding the VPs "humour"? Again, here we are -- where everything Lisa and Ken does is a joke, meant to be taken lightheartedly. But anyone else? No Ma'am!

As for the "house help" comment? In my personal experience, I've always noticed that people who say things like that underpay the help, expect them to jump through fire hoops, and work like they're Dickensian children -- yet always find time to complain about "not enough good help around, these days...." (Not saying that's you, just talking about my general observations of 4+ decades of living.)

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Just now, WireWrap said:

IMO, we would have heard anything negative had they treated their house staff badly. How do you think they should treat them? Really (serious question here)? These people are hired/paid to take care of the house/property and wait on Lisa's/Ken's needs, they are not paid to be friends and sit sipping tea with them. Their head housekeeper Rosario (sp) seems to get along with both Lisa/Ken and jokes around with them so I don't see where there is an issue.

I also believe that good house help is not all that easy to find and if the Todd's don't treat their staff well, they could easily find work elsewhere.

Well, here we are, again, at an impasse. To me, they treat Rosario like she's "less then". And I am not going to give you a blow-by-blow of the microaggression condescension that the VPs regularly exhibit. Suffice it to say, I think they treat service people like crap.

As far as "good house help being hard to find"? I have no words......

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Just now, WireWrap said:

As far as I or anyone here knows, Lisa/Ken's house staff have been with them for a long time and if they were horrible employers or mistreated their staff, I doubt that would be the case. 

People who need work, suffer assholes, to support themselves. If they didn't, they'd be accused of being lazy.

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14 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Eh. I like animals better than most people, too, so yeah, that doesn't bother me in the least. 

And I'm still not sure how or why that would take away from their philanthropy, but whatevs.

Hey, I like animals a lot better than some people, too. HOWEVER, I don't treat service people like crap -- and I certainly don't act condescendingly to people (like her housekeeper) who are working to make my life easier. She treats her domestic staff like its the 1950s -- that's how I'll put it. :-) And it's not just their own staff -- there have been times when they're out, and treat workers like they're beneath them -- and interestingly, they only treat CERTAIN workers that way.

As far as their attitudes taking away from Philanthropy? To me, it's like praising someone, who supports a discriminatory organization, for giving cans to a food drive. Besides, I think the "work" the VPs do is more for them, not the animals.

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I'm not "impressed" with Lisa's and Ken's work with animals, because they're the kind of people who treat their animals better than their human "help". (They have proven themselves to be nothing but condescending to certain "service" workers....ah-hem.)

Now, to be clear -- I don't think their work is "bad" -- but I'm not bending over backwards giving them loads of credit. (I do other people, but not them.)

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2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Well then, you should dislike Erika then as well. This is a woman that talks about raising the son she left behind in NY when he was a toddler. Just an example, from her blog this week, "Raising a son is so different than raising girls, so I enjoy watching Kyle and Lisa R. with their daughters.". And Erika would know this how, she did not raise her son, her ex-husband did"!?!

Apples and spaceships. Lisa differentiates between her adopted child and her biological child, based on that fact alone. Totally different thing. (And, for the record, I'm adopted and very sensitive to this kind of bullshit.)

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1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

Can you even imagine the outrage if Erika stuck her hand up LVP's skirt?  There would be ten pages attacking Erika for assaulting LVP's delicate femininity.  Calls for Erika to be charged with assault and fired immediately.

It's hard to know if Max has worked hard, because the ongoing SL has always been - Max is lazy, shiftless, and quite possibly this way since he's not genetically related to Ken, Pandora, or myself.

THIS! All of this! Especially the part about Lisa's bullshit when it comes to her children. Lisa's equivocations about her adopted child, Max, versus that smug Pandora (and her obsequious husband), is the exact reason I fell off LVP's train, season 1 or 2......

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I'm not Porcha's biggest fan, but credit where credit is due.....

So, being that it's holiday vacation weeks, I'm not working and have time to re-watch this nonsense (it's wine season, y'all!).

OK, so, gotta admit -- on re-watch, I cracked UP when Porscha was all, "We selling penis for the kids? Oh, OK."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!! Loved it.

(I am all for Kandi's line of pleasure tools -- I just thought Porcha's delivery was too funny)

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58 minutes ago, DawnDavenport said:

The issue is Erika is bragging about essentially wearing a t-shirt dress to a formal party and getting defensive that is was a designer dress.

The decor indicator was "stunning" -- Erika did fine. You can't use something as non-descriptive as that, and then expect everyone to show in conservative formal wear. Erika got defensive, clearly, because people were "talking". She was obviously answering a question in that TH, and I don't blame her one bit for any defensiveness. Because, reductively speaking, it's these women's jobs to "show off". If Dorit wanted everyone in cocktail / black tie / white tie - SAY THAT! This "stunning" murkiness was bound to produce non-conventional interpretations.

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6 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

To me there's a difference in mentioning that you used to have 15 horses during a talking head about getting a new horse and saying your stupid t-shirt dress must be fabulous because there's a designer label in it.

It's not different; the overall effect is the same. But OK. Then, does it bother people that Lisa used to always brag about her Loubitans?

As for the "real money" argument. Pish. First of all, ew. "Real money"? It's a gross phrase -- and reveals a lot about someone. The VP's vibe always makes me think of that saying, "Behind every great fortune, is a great crime."

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11 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Lisa was joking, hence her quips about acting in black/white films! Believe me, Lisa is well aware that she play begged Eileen for a "line" on the Soap Opera. LOL

Riiiiiiight. When Lisa does anything, it's a "joke." When anyone else does anything, it's because they're terrible / snobby / overwrought / hold grudges / et cetera.

The LVP web is unraveling at a rapid rate -- and spin isn't going to help much longer.......

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Loved how the editors Burned LVP, with her claim that Eileen "offered" her a part, previously. Cut to Lisa pushing herself on Eileen about a part......

LVP sucks.

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14 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I don't particularly like Dorit nor her husband but this on Erika and her choices and her need to wear a 'label'. 

Does it bother you that Lisa constantly backdoor brags? (15 horses? Come on.)

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1 hour ago, AndySmith said:

And it wasn't like this was Kyle's first "white party", since y'know, the woman throws her own "white parties"...

And while he was sitting next to Erika, he wasn't exactly sitting face-to-face with her...he definitely had to position his face juuuust right to get a look.

Yes!

I don't know why, but the willing suspension of disbelief -- and imaginative conjecture -- related to #pantygate is irking me, more than it should.

I guess I find it tired. She's a sexual women. Who cares.

She wasn't sitting with her legs spread eagle. In fact, it seemed like she was making a concerted effort to keep those knees together. Besides, not wearing underwear or bra, in deference to a garment's "lines", is not unusual in circles these women run in.

On another note, I don't think Erika is jealous of Dorit at all. Dorit is fake as eff; Erika can smell that from a mile away -- and homegirl really isn't into that kind of mess. That's why I like the relationship between Eileen and Erika. They're different as can be, but adult enough to appreciate each other.

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8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

She did ask where Lisa was, who told her they were "almost there", she then proceeded to still ask her is she had extra panties with her that she could change into.

See, this is what makes it so unbelievable. Who carries around extra panties, on whim? And let's say she does, we're expected to believe that Kyle would actually WEAR a pair of Lisa's underwear? No. I don't care if they're clean -- Kyle is not wearing a pair of Lisa's panties.

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15 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Weren't they at PUMP? Which is down the road from her damn store. Why not call the store and send out a PA? 

Exactly! Because it's fake. That's why! :-)

Plus, how many "white parties" have these women gone too? Come on. Kyle knew to wear nude panties. (BTW, I need someone to throw a "yellow party" or a "teal party".

As far as the cameras focusing in on Kyle leaving? OF COURSE! It's part of the scripted drama!

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1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

However, it comes across as badly scripted.

This. Exactly this. Pantygate is scripted drama. Kyle calling, once she got to the party, to say she needed new panties -- even though we KNOW she has plenty of full length mirrors she undoubtedly checked herself out in, before leaving? What, are we expected to believe she borrows panties!?

Sorry, no. It's scripted.

I feel so much for Eileen. Having gone through a similar death spiral in my family, I get it. The emotions surrounding death are so complicated, and there isn't a right way to handle it. Her crying isn't hurting anyone.

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I can tolerate Sara Alice, for now. But the second we get the "Sara Alice Amber Alert" episode, I'll be typing off, in high dudgeon.