Tuleh2
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As much power as Shonda wields -- and I do believe she wields considerable power at ABC -- I believe the network would stop her from killing Derek if Dempsey was leaving the door open to come back at all. I believe the only way Derek exits horizontally is if Dempsey is exiting permanently.
I agree with all of this, Eolivet... but for the EP factor. If EP wanted to leave (say, during, or at the end of S12), would they have any use for Derek? (I can't see Shonda EVER writing for a "single father" character... she likes her male characters to be dispensable.) And if EP wanted to leave, I can't help thinking that Shonda would rather not have MerDer ride off into the sunset together - that reinforces the idea of GA as "The MerDer Show," which she has always resisted.
I'll be interested to see how long EP stays on the show after PD leaves (but not interested enough to watch it).
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I am curious whether this Derek drama was planned from the start. I'm leaning toward no. Didn't Shonda tweet at some point about doing rewrites?
I think they might have decided at some point to start positioning for a MerDer-less S12 by putting off some planned SLs (Jolex, for example, which Shonda promised but didn't deliver). Then they threw in stuff like April's baby. That doesn't mean that there was a change in PD's planned level of participation in the show, but that as they started working through the grab-bag of character arc ideas they started with (and the ratings held up even with the move to 8PM), they decided to "save" some for S12.
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I would be so done and no I would not even watch the remaining episodes this season if he dies.
We don't really think the "will Derek die?" question is going to be resolved in this week's episode, do we?
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I'm dreading this episode, and will never be able to listen to "How to Save a Life" again if Derek dies, which sucks because I really like that song.
Yes! That's one of the things I hated most about the musical episode: they took songs that evoked memories of great GA scenes and then ruined those memories.
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I think they would only kill Derek off if they thought there was a really good chance (or she already agreed) that Ellen would stay beyond season 12.
I'd argue that EP is probably ready to leave and might have agreed to a limited number of McDreamy-less episodes in S12 leading up to a big SO-like exit for her (the brave widow starting a new life with her kids after grieving for the length of an Emmy reel...), an exit that she doesn't have to share with PD (which I think would matter to her - she likes being THE lead*). Meanwhile they see if the show can survive based on the romantic exploits of Jolex, Owelia and whatever else they come up with.
*ETA: And the fans that are upset about the end of MerDer will blame PD and not her.
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I still don't believe he's dying and if the show actually kills McDreamy, it will deserve my respect of having the spine to do something bold as that.
If PD decided to leave (or ABC didn't want to pay him) then killing Derek is the EASY way out. It would have been bolder to break up MerDer and then send Derek to DC (or have him run off with an intern or candystriper or something). THAT might have been interesting.
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And you're right, if he's filmed his last, he's under no contractual obligation to appear on any show on behalf of Grey's.
If Derek is going to die, then the articles interviewing Shonda about it have already been written and will be everywhere as soon as the actual episode airs (they will be embargoed until then). I'm pretty sure she'll say it was PD's choice to sign up for a limited number of episodes (I seriously doubt he broke his contract), but that she - genius that she is - responded by creating The Year of Meredith and isn't it wonderful that we will get to see how bravely Meredith copes with this... blah blah blah.
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Just saw speculation on Twitter that Derek could be in a coma through the SF, wake up at the end of 11X24 but have Amnesia, then their entire season 12 story could be all about Meredith reminding HIM who SHE is every day.
If PD's not going to be on the show, I'd rather see Derek die than "cryogenically frozen" in some bad soap-opera-trope clusterfuck. Let him leave with a little dignity.
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I mean, I much prefer Meredith who is playfully defensive about her snoring to the one who is "the sun" and stomps around when her husband gives up a job for her, but it just felt like such a tone switch, I felt like I missed an episode or five.
It's like bad fan fiction. Who ARE these people? When Derek started talking about having another kid (to store in the 24-hour daycare or with the Magic Invisible Nanny) I thought: Where are Cristina and Mark Sloan when you need them? The "You Are the Sun" thing was crap, but someone needs to kick these two in the ass. They make my teeth hurt.
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Derek waking up months later, maybe after Amelia does surgery, and Meredith walks in, pregnant, just like Holden's wife did.
This may be shallow of me... but if Derek has to be injured in some way, could they PLEASE not mess up his hair?
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ABC might have let him go because realistically they're not getting the bang for their buck anymore.
I don't think they'd risk the backlash from fans... and there WOULD be backlash. ABC has too much riding on Shonda; they need to be able to say it was PD's decision to leave.
But Ellen retweeted a funny tweet from a fan this morning telling Shonda she better not "harm her Derek." I don't think Ellen would have done that if Derek was really going to die. (I think it would be kind of disrespectful if you were talking about the exit of your co-star of eleven years/the end of "MerDer.")
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Does anyone recall the site that had the spoiler about a death in Shondaland?
I can't remember exactly... the only "blind" spoiler I remember was from TV Line, I think, where they referenced a major character dying on a network show. Everybody would assume Shondaland, of course.
But Shonda apparently killed Scott Foley (again!) on Scandal. Maybe nobody dies on GA.
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I guess I can't be bothered to remember details anymore. It's so pointless to try.
It appears the writers can't be bothered to remember details anymore, either. Which would be one thing if they would keep the stories moving forward... Instead we have episode after episode full of old clips and recycled dialogue.
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And didn't someone do a documentary/"Dateline" kind of thing about the survivors of the plane crash when Mark was dying/died?
Wrong catastrophe: the documentary was about the shooting.
But Jo mentioned Meredith being in a plane crash in the first episode of S9. (She was crying to Owen about "Medusa" being mean to her after she blew the intern appy.) Of course she would have discussed it with the other interns back then.
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Can this show be anymore contrived?
They still have 4 episodes this season... I think they're going for the record.
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All opinions/likes of the character(s) aside - the best (meaning most storyline) story for her alone would be him dying.
I'm afraid I agree with this (and I won't watch this show without PD). The last sneak peak ABC posted (of MerDer in bed, with Meredith talking about how she spent nights without him) kind of proves the case. IT'S BORING. Shonda has no idea how to make couples interesting without resorting to infidelity, accidental pregnancy, spree killing or vehicular carnage.
The writers had the perfect opportunity to explore the difficulty of a dual-career family... and they blew it. Derek gives up an important job and acts like it should never have mattered to him in the first place. I call bullsh*t.
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I still think he might be hurt but to me there is just way too much hype around something happening to Derek, for him to be the one who is in major trouble.
Normally, I'd agree that this is misdirection, but... IF Derek is to be written out, then hype is called for. (SO leaving the show was hyped for a whole season.) During the first seasons of GA — and still, for the many MerDer shippers — EP and PD carried the show. (Despite Shonda constantly insisting that the most important relationship was Meredith and Cristina.)
But Derek can't die suddenly, like, say, Will Gardner on The Good Wife. That would NEVER fly. It would have to be drawn out over a number of episodes (to the finale?). We could be looking at a Mark Sloan-type exit, where PD is shown in the last episodes in a hospital bed, with tons of flashbacks, until they turn off the machines. (We know the writers love to recycle.)
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They joked around and talked about sex, sure, but it never skeeved me out on Alex's behalf the way it does now. Maybe because he doesn't have the history with Maggie or Callie that he did with Mer and Cris, or maybe because it is just so much more juvenile and "hack woman-comedian"-y, but enough already.
They need to bring in more interns if this is the only kind of dialogue the writers can come up with. It was cute in the early seasons, when they all were newbies, but it's gross now that they're attendings.
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I do agree with a lot of posters that the Derek dying anvils are so heavy it seems like it's exactly what WON'T happen. But, adding all these things together definitely seem as though there could be stuff going on behind the scenes with Patrick (such as negotiating an early release from his contract).
All we know is that he renewed his contract last year... we don't know any details beyond that, i.e., how many episodes, or even if it included S12. I don't believe he would break his contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if he knew didn't want to do another two years when he renegotiated. (Twelve years is a long time to play a doormat.) He could have negotiated a shorter contract that allowed Shonda to write Derek off AND maintain secrecy about it as she chose.
So his absence earlier this year - which oddly didn't really jibe with his racing schedule - could have been Shonda's way of creating a "come-to-Jesus" resolution of their marital problems as a lead-up to killing Derek off (after Meredith has decided she "doesn't want to live without him yada yada yada").
Ellen's made it clear she doesn't care if she ever acts again after GA, but PD might like to do something else... and the longer he stays on GA the harder it will be. Sooner or later he has to leave.
Then again, an abbreviated contract for PD could have been Shonda's idea from the beginning. I've never believed she would have Meredith and Derek "ride off into the sunset" à la Carol and Doug on ER. That would present them as equally important characters, which was never the case (for Shonda, anyway). I expect when EP decides to leave, as with SO, she'll get a victory lap season, which she won't "share" with anyone.
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Shonda loves her "accidental" pregnancies.
Of all the ridiculous storylines GA throws at us over and over (and they are legion!), this is the worst. In fact, I find the "disaster" scenarios more believable than all these accidental pregnancies. These women are highly educated, supposedly brilliant DOCTORS, for crying out loud. They love sex; that's fine. But grown-ass women use birth control.
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I can't pinpoint if it's Ellen's acting, or if its the directing, or the writing...or maybe something else but that opening conversation between Meredith and Maggie is something Meredith would never say seriously. I thought (like some other posters) she was just pretending to be happy but in the scenes of her looking in at Derek in the house with the kids, she did seem genuinely happy.
Both Derek and Meredith seem to have conveniently resolved their differences by having personality transplants. Derek doesn't mind taking orders from Amy or giving up his dream job? Meredith is "happy that he's happy?"
I'm reminded of "The Stepford Wives." We need a crazy stabber in the hospital to find out if they've been replaced by robots.
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I think part of the reason I loathe her so much is that Shonda obviously wants her to be the new Cristina. CS can't pull that off.
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I know Callie has always been a bit agressive in her application of makeup, but those Kardashian-strength false eyelashes were distracting. I was surprised she could keep her eyelids open...
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To be fair, Derek has an SUV with seats for his kids, so I doubt that is the over-priced midlife crisis car.
Derek drives a Porsche Cayenne (or has, in previous episodes). It's an SUV. I don't think of it as an "over-priced midlife crisis car," but YMMV.
Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation: Benchmarking
in Grey's Anatomy
They probabably could "green screen" a ferry but it wouldn't look very good. (GA's "interior of moving car" shots always look pretty cheesy to me.) Wanting to make it look good, and wanting the publicity attendant on a high-profile location shoot (PD wouldn't have tweeted it if GA didn't want him to) could just as easily argue for building up the anticipation for what could be Derek's last episode.
I didn't take it that way at all, MerDerFan, but I'm not a MerDer shipper. (I thought Ellen's earlier retweet of a fan comment about Shonda hurting Derek would be in poor taste if her longtime costar was really leaving, but that's probably just my antipathy towards Meredith, which knows no bounds.) YMMV.
If Derek does die, I'm afraid PD won't be able to say - or do - ANYTHING right where the shippers are concerned. Big MerDer popularity = Big Backlash and it looks like PD will bear the brunt of it, regardless of what his contractual arrangements with ABC are/were. ABC will certainly want to protect Shonda from any fallout.