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  1. Tuleh2

    S11.E22: She's Leaving Home

    I won't watch the show anymore, but I knew I could count on you to fill me in, Lilit Marcus. I will stick around the board just for your recaps. "Ourobouros of awful..." Ha! As Cristina Yang would say: "Thank you for all you do."
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    The show was originally "EP's" show. EP was hired first, and for Shonda, the show was clearly about Meredith. But then Merder and McDreamy became the engine behind the show's breakout. (Not taking away from the others actors, the music, the clever writing or anything, but I don't really think you can dispute that. Merder were the "headline" in most of the mentions of the show.) And suddenly to the media (and the majority of fans), EP and PD were "co-leads." We've heard that that caused resentment with IW. But what about EP? I think she was happy enough to go along with PD being perceived as "the male lead" for awhile. She was getting paid good money, the show was thriving, she had a life outside it, and she didn't have to sit through a million inane interviews, etc. And although that was not the way Shonda wanted it, she clearly exploited Merder to build her empire. But with Scandal and HTGAWM, you saw what I think Shonda wanted for EP, and what EP maybe has wanted for herself. KW is clearly "the lead" in Scandal; it's THE OLIVIA SHOW: no one mentions it without talking about KW and she's credited with the lion's share of it's success (what's left after Shonda gets credited, anyway.) It will propel her career beyond Scandal. Same with VD on HTGAWM. EP says she doesn't want to act after GA? Well, maybe. But I do think she'd like a little of the glory that KW and VD are getting for carrying their shows. And she was never going to get that while PD was around, no matter how lamely Derek was written. (I'd argue she was never going to get that while SO was around, either.) But Shonda finally has the power to make it happen, beyond the objections of ABC and PD. She's taken the show back, for Meredith and EP. I still think EP leaves after S12 (or maybe S13), after a season where she gets a chance to taste the same kind of glory that KW and VD have. But how do you generate the same buzz for a show that's so old? Hmmmm... Maybe through a splashy and controversial exit for PD? Just a thought.
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    Grey's Anatomy in the Media

    I remain convinced that Caterina becoming a regular was a signal of the beginning of the end for Derek. Derek was never an important enough character for that sibling-rivalry business to be sustainable. Only Meredith gets to have siblings working in the hospital (an apparently endless supply of them!) And how would they use two neurosurgeons? Shonda brought her out of unemployment to replace PD. No wonder she's so fucking chirpy.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    It was kind of cute that she thought she could calm the storm.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    That was quick. She's deleted it.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    Yeah, I've watched my last episode. The next episode won't be a memorial to Derek. It will be: "Look what's happened to poor Meredith." And Amelia. Ick.
  7. She got pregnant by Burke in the first season, had a miscarriage (ectopic pregnancy) in the 2nd. So she got pregnant by Owen despite having lost a fallopian tube (never mind being sure SHE NEVER WANTED KIDS.). Thin, huh?
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    Absolutely, Greysaddict. PD was trapped on this show. Not the worst problem in the world, I know. He certainly was appreciative of the success it brought him and handled the fans with grace. I think he held up his end of the bargain. But I don't expect any actor to want to play the same role forever, even EP. No matter how much they're paid. A lot of the venom about his death seems to be directed at "the way it was done," and I still can't fathom that crappy episode. It has to be the worst one Shonda's ever written. Never mind the bad taste (death in a Porsche?), it was sloppy: full of plot holes and contrivances (the eppy thread on this board has 8 pages of them). GA has been pretty contrived lately, but could Shonda really have done such a bad job intentionally, i.e., to make it look like PD was being dissed/to generate sympathy for him? Maybe. (That's the conspiracy theory). But Shonda is pretty proud of her writing skills. Whatever, I think it was a gift. I hope PD thinks so too. I'd like to see him do something else. YMMV.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    True, pennbenn. I don't think there's anything she could say to fix this. But isn't it kind of ironic: Shonda's good friends with Judy Smith, the DC fixer (the model for Olivia Pope). Could they really not see this coming? (Ooops, now I'm about to head into conspiracy mode. I'll STOP. NOW.) I'll just say that I'm pleased: If you had told me a month ago that PD could leave this show without the entire Merder fandom picking up pitchforks and threatening to boycott his future career, I wouldn't have believed it. What a gift for him.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    I doubt the ratings will slide enough to cause her to have to talk about it. Ratings will be up next week, and probably won't tank beyond that. But this episode was also a big, newsy "FAIL" with the critics. She was blasted by people who don't even watch GA anymore. She was THE WOMAN WHO COULD DO NO WRONG... and now she has. I think she will have to address it the next time she gives an interview, but I don't expect to see her anytime soon.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    We've talked before about how PD has more face-to-face fan interaction than anyone else on the show (because of racing). You know who has the least? Shonda. Tweets, yes; but actual face-to-face contact with people who watch her shows? Not so much. I think Twitter may have given her a distorted worldview. Her many followers exist for her self-promotion. Fan tweets are easy to ignore ("I make stuff up for living. Don't tweet me your craziness.") They're abstractions, like Neilsen numbers. Lots = good, never mind the message. She spends most of her time in Shondaland, and when she leaves it she attends sophisticated functions, meets with journalists or gives speeches to people. She doesn't spend time with fans who gush at her about how much this or that character means to them. I think that's why she got this so wrong. I'm sure a lot of people warned her against it (PD and ABC execs). I think she had to fight to do this, and that's why the season was such a mess, and why there was animosity with PD. In the end she won; she maintained creative control over HER show... and then she let her fatigue and resentment write the episode.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    You can believe that if you want. It doesn't matter: Shonda had choices about how to write Derek out. She could have left him in DC. PD was around to film his death scene; he could have filmed another Derek exit. He could have disappeared into the kitchen to become a househusband and died offscreen. Yes, the fans would always have missed Merder. But Shonda is taking a critical drubbing for delivering a messy, unnecessary and disrespectful (to the fans) episode. ETA: Shonda has exploited the Merder fans for years. To try to act now like it doesn't matter (EP's tweet: 'what matters are the tragedies of real people') is bullshit.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    I'll bet Shonda wrote it.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    No one is making (non-joking) death threats. They're threatening to stop watching the show (and Shonda's other shows). And ABC can't have that. They don't care whether we care about the real horrors in the world. They care that we keep tuning in.
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    Behind The Scenes: The Drama Behind the Drama

    At this point, everyone's letting the show's dysfunctional history write the story: 'Shonda killed a character, ergo the actor must have been difficult.' And PD can afford to take some of the blame for that; he was clearly ambivalent about continuing with the show. But I think he's also had more interaction with the fans over the years, so he knew what kind of backlash awaited the person responsible for ending Merder. He didn't want to be the one blamed for THAT. And now he's free; so what if there are rumors about him being a "diva?" But sooner or later, someone's going to go past that and ask: What on earth could PD have POSSIBLY done that would have led Shonda to kill Derek/destroy Merder FOREVER against her own desire/her own creative instinct? Diva antics? Wanting to go racing? 
 
 Seriously?
 
 If PD did something that couldn't be forgiven (is there such a thing in Hollywood? and how could we not have heard about it?), just send Derek to DC, let the show move forward until Merder fans get used to his absence, then kill him offscreen.
 Shonda had choices. 
 So it just doesn't make sense unless this is what Shonda WANTED. And she's going to have to own up to that, eventually. No future interviewer will fail to ask her about it.
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