BAH

Yeah, it’s curious that we don’t know much about Jason’s love life for the past 4 years. He’s certainly straight, and appears to be a horn dog/player thus far. Like those of you who think the writers “wrote” themselves into a corner, I am now wondering —apologies if this is repeating what others have said—-why did Rose even bring Michael back? Other than the reason she gave to Luisa, I mean to say. I mean, we’re to assume that Rose contacted Rafael to let him know about Michael, right? Was her other purpose also to annoy/anger Rafael? She definitely enjoyed his show of anger at the prison meeting. Meanwhile, my husband applied his knowledge of pro wrestling (apparently rife with dramatic “stories”) to theorize the following: Rafael could be shown to be the “heel” (villain) in the end. Michael could be the “face” (hero), though the hero shows both his “sides” throughout the “show”, which has many twists and turns. I would certainly love that, but what do they do with Mateo in that case? The kid would be traumatized. To support his theory, though: why did Rafael take Luisa to a supposed safe house only to have curly-haired blond guy show up the same night? And he had a funny look on his face when he said, “Rose won’t find you here.” Probably just reading into it, and I clearly need to get a life 🤣 Finally, I agree Jason saying his fave color is brown is tongue in cheek. Rogelio still made me and my husband LOL , though. TGFR! I really like Xo this season, and also hope Abuela gets her happily ever after. She’s done nothing to deserve otherwise!

I feel ya, tennisgurl, though I am more upset for Michael-Jane being dead than just for pure Michael. I think I loved Michael almost at your level tho 😉 Which leads me to ask, DO we know for sure Michael really suffered? Is it like Wesley on THe Princess Bride level? I mean, I know nothing about ECT. I know it seems like a stupid question; I’m happy to be corrected. regardless, I’m glad we didn’t get to see any of it, frankly; I couldn’t have stood it. Also, what IF, as someone already said, Michael knows he’s Michael and is pretending to be Jason to catch Rose and protect Jane? Then, he could “die again” trying to kill Rose, killing Rose simultaneously? THAT would be semi-satisfactory to me. His legacy would not be marred, Jane would know how much he loved her (again), and he could just go back to being dead, which some of us MichAel diehards would prefer. Jafael shippers could shout with glee and it would annoy me much less 🙊 While I’m at it, I’m perturbed by the phrase “Michael apologist”, as if he were someone we should feel guilty adoring. Just saying. Finally, I want to add how bad I think Baldoni is at comedy; even the couple’s lighter/cute scenes simply sink. IMO Baldoni capably hits two notes: reassuring/encouraging Jane, and withholding what he’s really feeling. By contrast, all interactions between Dier and Rodriguez snap, crackle, pop! My totally unbiased opinions, right? but it’s yet another reason for me to hate their ending up together. I mean, Urman, you couldn’t write a cool ending for the couple with fantastic chemistry?? Oh, how I hope she will have made an ending worthy of their onscreen partnership !

So cardigirl and LadyCalypso, are you all Jafael endgame wishers? Just trying to know the audience here, lol. Most people here seem to be, which is fine of course. It’s just a show after all 😂

I meant to edit not quote myself but anyway. Was going to add that showing Jason in this way really helps us die hard Michael fans detach and let him go. Well, it helps me anyway. Because then it’s more and more clear that Michael is gone. Even if it’s an evil bot Michael who knows who he is, the old one is gone.

Well, I watched it again 10 hours later, and was able to look at it with more distance. It’s been JTV’s conceit all along to make the Characters react and act realistically in unrealistic/hyperbolic situations, and this season is no different. So Jane’s and Rafael’s reactions do seem realistic to me, as do their fears and wishes. I will keep watching mostly out of a desire to see WTH they end up doing with this Jason character. And, the Luisa arc—who the heck knows where that will end up. The Rogelio amnesia parallelism is just plain silly, but his arc might pick up weight with whatever River has in store. Every minute I get to see Brett onscreen is still relished, for sure. I wouldn’t mind more kissing shenanigans by him, no matter who it’s with 😍. In fact, I think he should go for Petra next 🤣

😭😭 those of you who weren’t Jachael or Michael fans won’t care, but boy am I upset. I can’t help it. On the plus side, Brett is fantastic —can tell he relishes playing Jason. And yes, the Brett-Gina chemistry is something else. Which makes me feel upset all over again

I won’t invalidate those points about Michael, cmahorror. Michael was a royal prick when he found out about Jane’s pregnancy. He did shady, manipulative, and immature things as you say. He did manage to own up to and/or atone for those actions, if I recall correctly. Admittedly, I just don’t like Rafael and it’s not even logical— the way we simply don’t like or resonate with some people. I’ve wondered if my dislike stems partly from my utter indifference to Baldoni’s acting. But mostly I think I just fell Terribly for Michael, who reminds me of my husband when I married him, and for Brett Dier’s interpretation of him. I do also like and admire how Jane put her life back together, and believe she SHOULD stay with Rafael, for her AND for Mateo. Jennie Urman (is that her last name?) has said that not everyone will Iike this season, but I will still watch it. I do hope Jason/Michael gets something of a just ending with some true happiness and a chance to rebuild the way Jane did. I’m already preparing myself for him and Jane not to be together so it doesn’t feel like a stab in the gut as much as it has. You talk about being a widow—there is no tragedy that I fear more. I can’t imagine, and don’t want to, though when Michael “died” I cried awfully hard in part because I imagined that horror happening to me. My being so attached to my husband —also imperfect, also doer of prickish things in the past—the way Jane was to Michael makes it super difficult for me to embrace another guy for her. LOL-We all just see things via our own very personal and subjective Lens, don’t we?

Interesting! When and where did you read that, Simba? Sounds awful to me that Jane would feel attracted to Rafael while married to Michael. Again, I see no rhyme or reason to R’s appeal for Jane, other than the biological factor. I agree with Jennie.. Jane would have been a huge flake. And she may still prove to be one!

https://www.tvguide.com/amp/news/jane-the-virgin-season-5-preview-jennie-snyder-urman-michael-return/ I found the above article helpful in understanding Jennie’s intentions. Maybe because I’m so biased against Rafael, I’m reading into her “heroes/heroines get a happy ending; villains get punished “ to mean a possible happy ending for Michael and Jane. It’s likely I’m totally wrong. I just don’t see how Michael can become Michael again and get a happy ending without Jane. The narrator said he would love Jane until his dying breath, but suddenly we’re supposed to think he could be happy with Petra? Sounds like total Bs to me. Or, if Michael is indeed gone forever, then I would hope Jason gets a happy ending. I would prefer that over a Jane-less Michael. Oh, and I just have to add that I never understood at all why Jane felt drawn to Rafael in the beginning. Michael was so clearly better. Rafael changed, obviously, but to think Jane fell in love with Rafael 1.0, I just never got it. The only romance that DID seem feasible (though still only quasi-believable) to me was this last one, after Michael “died”. Though it’s a knife to my heart to accept it. I’m just crazy for adorkable Michael, what can I say.

I pretty much think/feel/wonder all the things TennisGUrl and commadrama up. I'm perturbed by it all. And, since I am staunchly and unswervingly Team Jachael (??), I take zero pleasure from the impending apparent Jafael endgame. And am unmoved by Rafael's tears/fears. #heartless Also, what if Raf ends up being bad in the end, as yet another swerve? If, in order to get Jane, he just manipulated and worked with Sin Rostro and did whatever else he needed to do, eg. play the sacrifice card, etc etc nilyank's theory that Mateo could be the key to Michael's memory is intriguing! That would be moving, indeed.