BlueMoon81
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One of the many hypocritical facets of Carrie's personality (and why she was never a favorite of mine) This is what I never understood. She's a sex columnist, in one of the most diverse cities on Earth (in terms of sexuality and sexual expression). Yet she was such a prude...and also borderline biphobic and homophobic. Made absolutely ZERO sense
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Cast and Crew: OK, Seriously, No Kim Cattrall?
BlueMoon81 replied to Meredith Quill's topic in And Just Like That
KC's decision to pass on this show, looks more brilliant by the day/week/month. It's clear that SJP, Michael Patrick King, etc put AJLT out as both a money grab and to prove that SATC could "thrive" without KC and Samantha Jones. Predictably (to those of us paying attention).... they've failed. The writing is reminiscent of the second movie--characters regressing instead of progressing, insulting cultural stereotypes, etc. Except this time around, they don't have KC's wonderful comedic timing to paper over SOME of the horrid writing- 143 replies
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Having watched the show when it originally aired, THIS episode nearly made me stop watching. I didn't even have a problem with Sam (as I loved the chemistry with her and Chivon, and he was one of the few men she encountered who wasn't intimidated by her independence and sexuality)...my problem with the episode was everything else. Adina as the "angry Black woman" stereotype, the looks of aghast by the girls when Sam announced she was seeing Chivon (Charlotte immediately fetishizing Chivon and Carrie's NAUSEATING "talk about Affirmative Action" line 🙄), etc. As a Black SATC fan, that episode was highly insulting I remember thinking when Blair Underwood's character was introduced in Season 6, "if they treat him like they did Chivon in Season 3, I'm done with the show". Thankfully, the writers and producers learned their lesson somewhat from by the time Dr Robert Leeds hit the canvas
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That's why I LOVED Sam telling Richard just that, right then and there "If I were a guy, you would've shaken my hand, bought me a Scotch and given me a key to an office." Of all the ladies, I love that they showed Sam facing workplace misogyny, and her dealing with it IMMEDIATELY in the moment
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God I bought those DVDs (bought the seasons separately) around the time of the first movie...and I was SO PISSED when they started defecting. I thought it was something I did myself—I tried various modes of cleaning, even bought s new DVD player...and still some of them didn’t work. Glad to know I wasn’t the only one with that issue
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It took me YEARS to find that amazing score! Someone on YouTube told me about it maybe 2-3 years ago. That melody is amazing and "One" is definitely one of my all time favorite episodes. LOVE when Charlotte, despite being in grief, watches a bio of Elizabeth Taylor and picks herself up, gets dressed (and looks AMAZING) and walks down the street like she owns it. That episode was terrific
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That's one of my favorite scenes of the show. Carrie was in a complete shitstorm of her own making, yet Sam wasn't gonna give a scintilla of judgement to her friend. Not only did Carrie judge Sam terribly in that episode, she did it REPEATEDLY throughout the show. When Sam informed the girls she was getting back with Richard, Carrie said "here's a title for the column....Desperate Women who will Believe Anything."--i never recall Sam judging Carrie when she got back with Aidan. And even in that Worldwide Express guy episode, Carrie tried to slip in the "no she just signs the delivery sheet and sends him on his way", as some kind of THINLY veiled shady "joke" at Sam. Sam should've shot back "So should I have browsed through his fridge until his wife came home and then ran out like a coward???". Carrie was THE MOST Judgmental character on the show for me
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I hadn't realized just how vomit-inducing Carrie was in Season 5 until this thread made me think about it. The Nina Katz episode, the Atlantic City episode, the one where he brow beats Sam into coming to her book release party (only to take multiple shots at Sam's chemical peel mishap), the hypocritical judgment of Sam during the whole 'Worldwide Express delivery guy blowjob' fiasco, etc. She really is BAD that season One thing is for sure, in order for "And Just Like That" to be any kind of hit with the audience, SJP is gonna have to make some real changes to Ms Carrie Bradshaw--if she thinks the judgey, pretentious, self-centered, version of Carrie from the series (who displayed strangely non-progressive views on the sexual spectrum and sexuality in general) is gonna be a hit with the viewing demographic of the 2020s....she's in for a rude awakening
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I love Sam's character arc throughout the show. One of the myths is that Sam was "commitment-phobic" and was only about sex--not true. Sam had MULTIPLE serious relationships on the show. I LOVED her and James--their first date at the Jazz club, how he walked her home and she didn't invite him up (KC had some fantastic acting in that episode), how she randomly blurted out "I miss James!" in Season 2 when the girls where singing "The Way We Were", etc. I certainly enjoyed watching Sam's relationships play out on screen as opposed to Carrie's Sam's character embodied what I felt the message of the show was--that women don't HAVE TO want marriage/family to feel fulfilled in life, and can live their lives on their own terms
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Oh that Nina Katz episode...Carrie was so ridiculous in that episode. I love the Sam/Miranda storyline in that episode, and LOVE how they both bring Carrie back down to reality while she's complaining about Nina Katz (like an insecure 13 year old). I also LOVE how Stanford checks her whining and reminds Carrie that she has never once asked him about his new relationship with Marcus. Episodes like this (where MULTIPLE other characters check Carrie's selfishness IN THE MOMENT) needed to happen more often
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That is one of my most FAVORITE scenes! Miranda re-enacting the dipping with her hands, Sam tasting her pudding afterwards and saying "Mmm Delicious" 😂 I also love when Sam, Miranda and Carrie are at Steve's bar opening, and Sam is talking about how she threw her back out using a strap-on with Maria...and Miranda wants to know how it works 😂
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That Chivon/Sam episode pissed me off more than any other on the show. It did when I watched it in 2000/2001 and it still does today. I loved Sam/Chivon's chemistry, and I LOVED how he wasn't intimidated by Sam's independence or sexuality. Sam even asked him to spend the day at her place with her (which she NEVER did). What I HATED was how Carrie made that CRINGEWORTHY "Talk about Affirmative Action" line when Sam and Chivon were flirting, Charlotte fetishizing Chivon when Sam was originally going to say he had a big HEART, etc. This was 2000/2001 in NYC, and the girls were acting like it was 1930s Tennessee or something. As a Black fan of the show, it was very insulting to watch. I remember when Season 6 was airing and Blair Underwood came on the show...I distinctly thought to myself "if they do Blair Underwood like they did Chivon...I'm done watching the show." The way the girls rarely encountered non-white people IN NEW YORK CITY was ridiculous (then and now) And whenever the girls seemed to encounter non-white people, it was in service roles (the Pakastani bus boy who kissed Sam when her date flaked on her, the Asian maid of the guy Sam was dating, the Black woman who was Carrie's chauffeur from her Book Party, etc). I'm not saying the show was intentionally racist, but you could tell it was written, produced and directed by an all-white behind the scenes crew
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Miranda/Sam are my favorite friendship dynamic on the show. I love how they shoot straight with each other with absolutely zero judgment. And most times, they can just say a 3 or 4 word phrase to each other and "get it" (like when Miranda informs the girls she's pregnant via Steve and Sam replies "Mercy Fuck??" and Miranda just nods 😂) I HATE that Atlantic City episode, specifically because Carrie is SO INTOLERABLE in it. Charlotte should've knocked Carrie on her ass at some point during that vacation Those screams didn't start until Season 3 or 4 I believe, which was when SJP's Exec Producer role behind the scenes was really being felt on the show. She must've thought those screeches were quirky and cute...but it was truly annoying in my opinion THIS precisely describes why Carrie has ALWAYS been my least favorite character. She devolves during the series. I think if they hadn't given SJP behind the scenes power as Exec Producer, the writers would've had the freedom to write the character FAR BETTER than they did
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Anyone have a Least Favorite Season?? Mine has ALWAYS been Season 3 (HATED IT when the show was airing and still hate it to this day). It has SEVERAL of my most despised episodes (“Boy Girl, Boy Girl...which showcases Carrie’s revolting views of non-heterosexuality; the episode with Sam and Chivon for many reasons (One of them NOT being Chivon and Sam’s chemistry); the revolting audacity of Carrie to pretend to be the victim during the whole affair with Big; etc). A lot of fans love that Season, I personally DESPISE it
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The Trey and Charlotte discussions are always very interesting to me. I personally don’t think that Trey was a bad guy in the slightest—he was sweet (in his own way), kind, and would never intentionally hurt a hair on Charlotte’s head. He just wasn’t the right guy for her at the end of the day. I love that the show held them up as an example that just because a marriage ends, doesn’t mean that one party has to be the “good guy” and the other the “bad guy”. It provided some wonderful balance on the show, juxtaposed to Carrie’s dramas and ETERNAL NEED to be seen as “the injured, unknowing, naive victim” of whomever she broke up with