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Day of.

I think I've said enough about how I feel about this ending, I'm not going to belabor it. It is what it is, the point was to demonstrate that this is how Jimmy makes Kim "whole", and that's what the entire series was apparently about. All the rest of the stuff was window dressing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you enjoyed it, that's great. Like I said, it was what it was.

Yes fair enough, I appreciate that. It just seems like some people are saying the ending is awesome, and I'm saying that at least as far as Kim is concerned, it really isn't. Interesting note: I watched the scene from Breaking Bad 5-15 where Walt and Saul are in Ed's basement. I'm paraphrasing a bit and only putting in the important parts: Saul: "You're worried about your wife and kids - don't leave. The way things are now, some people might say you're leaving her high and dry...the phone call was a nice touch, it might buy her a mistrial...in a year and a half. Until then, they're going after her." Walt: "There's no point. She knows nothing." Saul: "Well, too bad for her. Then she's got nothing to trade. There's two dead DEA agents they can't find, you think the feds are going to let that go because you hit the ejector seat? First thing they'll do, they'll RICO your wife and kids out of the house, her picture's on TV next to yours...who will hire her?" Walt: "Money's no problem." (He's still got that one barrel) Saul: "I hate to contradict you, but getting it to her is impossible. The feds are just praying that you'll make contact. Everything's tapped. Mike was no dummy, but everything he tried to get to his granddaughter went into Uncle Sam's pockets." Walt: "So you propose...what?" Saul: "Stay. Face the music. How much time have you got left anyway? You walk in with your head held high, you'll be the Dillinger of the facility. How bad is that? And you bring forward some drug money, maybe they'll let your family stay in the house, which predates the crimes." Walt didn't listen to his advice of course. But Saul sort of finally did listen to his own advice in the end. He thought he had plenty to bargain with until he realized what Kim had done and the risk she faced, and then I think this conversation sank in a bit. I wish that had come out in the episode, but I guess there was only a finite amount of time, and it was better spent on a new scene with Walt. That's fine I guess.

Well, I'm glad she feels better. /s Other than Jimmy, for whom is that satisfying? I really do NOT get it.

OK, so I watched it again, and I paid more attention. I am sort of OK with Jimmy's ending, In times when he's in crisis, he tries to live up to someone else's standards, and fails - with Mike, with Walt, with Chuck - especially Chuck. And frankly, he couldn't even live up to the standards he set for himself as Saul. But the problem I have here is...he decides to try and live up to the standard set by Kim? Which is "Be Jimmy McGill, try hard to be good, but it's OK to be bad once in a while, just not as bad and callous as Saul?" And Kim's 'atonement'...I'm sorry, this is pathetic. She might face a civil trial? If she's visiting Jimmy in ADX Montrose, then I'm guessing that Cheryl Hamlin isn't working at breakneck speed, despite what Bill Oakley says. I don't see her 'atonement' as anything more than somewhere between "I'm getting away with it, and poor me look I'm so scarred by what I did", and "OK, I just won't do that any more and I feel really bad and I'll just be on the receiving end of yup yup nookie for a long time". So if the story that G&G wanted to tell was that because he loved Kim so much, Jimmy gave up on the largesse of Saul and faced the music, OK. Doesn't change the fact that I think they could have done more. I won't knock them because I can't think of specifics of how they could do it, but that's how I feel.

Yes, thank you. That's part of what still really bothers me...if it's about doing the best atonement you can do, I don't really see it, either for Jimmy or Kim. I'm warming up to the idea that for Jimmy, being a prison lawyer and baking bread for the rest of his life is his 'consequence', but what is hers exactly, for being his enabler of sorts? Yup yup sex? So now Kim can leave the prison, saying with absolute truth, "I'm still getting away with it?" She'll just be good from now on? Okay, I guess???

I really don't think it was a ploy in the beginning. I think he was absolutely willing to use the information he had to try and get a better deal, and only decided to use it as a ploy to get her to the trial when he realized it wouldn't work.

I'm watching the replay to make sure I catch everything. I did get distract by that darn family I have LOL

I see. OK, that part I missed, fair enough. So let me try this again: Jimmy's conversation with Walt shows that he only wishes he could have been better at getting away with his shenanigans. His conversation with Mike shows that he figures if he just had enough cash he could be beyond anyone's reach. But now in the end he realizes he's going down, and none of that matters, and the only thing that he really cares about is being Jimmy and being able to know that Kim is out there and is OK with him. Is that about right? I wasn't expecting anything like that, but...well, I don't know. Maybe after hearing other people's thoughts I'll fill in the blanks in my own mind. Right now I just feel that there was so much more potential here, and it was unfulfilled. But I will be happy to be demonstrated wrong.

But he negotiated it down to seven and a half...did I miss something? I do admit I was a bit unclear about that 86 years number.

I don't even really think they did that. Again, I'll be glad to be proven wrong. Walk me through it... He's in jail on an extremely light sentence. and he made it right with Kim and his own conscience, so everything is OK? I'm really not seeing how I'm supposed to be OK with that.

OK, so convince me: this ending is good because...

I think you are right. But that ending, to this story, is really unsatisfying.

Well, I guess there's no debate, Best ending to a series ever...Breaking Bad, and it's not even close.