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I feel like in this season they were closer to the race situation in the book with showing predominantly white Wives and Commanders.
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13 minutes ago, VagueDisclaimer said:
If the baby survives(and I do think it does) and the baby didn’t go to the Waterfords and to another couple, wouldn’t June be part of the package? Aunt Lydia thought it was very unusual to take the mother from the baby so early, so wouldn’t she go along even if it were only until the baby is weaned?
So if June does indeed end up at the Red Center, maybe that answers where the baby is. Is there a possibility that Fred is killed and only Serena gets the baby? To which, can Nick please kill her and save the baby somehow? Season ends with the baby free (with Emily, would actually be a hope) and June* still stuck, but with more of a possibility because things are changing?
*Sorry i see no possibility of June escaping this season. But i do think Emily is possible.
To quote Ramsay Bolton - "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention."
I am not a fan of the spoilers that came out because it looks like the story is just making circles with no progress at all.
If June doesn’t get out of Gilead or dies or something major doesn’t happen I’m out next season.
This season feels almost like nothing happened, we only saw a little progress in Serena and that has been shut down in the last rape scene. Something literally has to happen to the story because this is getting boring. Because of that I loved the Canada episode because it was so different and something was actually going on.
IMO second season has been much weaker in the writing department (probably because of the lack of the original material).
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Yeah, Eden's end will be sad.
WTH, why did they give the baby to Serena??
She must pay somehow for all her sh*t, not to get a reward.
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By what is seen in the promos if Serena stays alone with Waterford without her baby and a handmaid, dark days are coming for her (and she deserves it).
I really hope this June's escape doesn't end up like the last one.
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Yes, SJ and Fred are in the house where June meet Hannah.
But the scene I worry about in the promo is the last one where June is in the snow kneeling and shooting a rifle in the sky.
Maybe she is in labour and needs help even from Gilead and the familiar place that is mentioned in episode 12 description that she is in is Red Center or something like that.
God I hope that's not the case because after the rape I need her to go to Canada ASAP
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3 hours ago, notcreative enough said:
I wonder if after the rape Serena was disgusted by Fred for enjoying it herself for holding down a woman or June for not quitely taking it. She couldn't get out of the room fast enough after.
Damn this show. It gives little nuggets where you think just maybe SJ regrets what Giliad became. Little glimpses of humanity. But damn to they sure make sure we don't forget that deep down she is a horrible monster. All episode I was thinking what can they do so that she doesn't get the one thing that she truly wants. How are they going to keep the baby from her. I don't want to baby to die but I also don't want Serena to be happy.
She literally hit rock bottom.
But the strange thing was she was then who started "let's rape the baby out" and when the rape started she was holding her down and crying.
Maybe she realised that her loving husband was enjoying himself a little too much.
And love how Aunt Lydia lowkey hates Serena.
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I find it also odd that Fred didn't found out about Serena's talk with a men (!) in a bar.
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Maybe the clue of Fred's demise is in the new commander (played by Bradley Whitford).
That said I think Serena will make it to season 3, but Fred not likely so.
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I hate that this show doesn't get out like the shows on Netflix.
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Did anyone else thought that the Canadian guy (that Fred said coward) was a sleeper ( or fake) Gilead sympathizer?
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1 hour ago, The Mighty Peanut said:
It’s rape to a normal person, but in Gilead wouldn’t it just be using your property as you see fit for the greater good (bringing a child to the world), according to God’s will? I don’t remember anything in the Bible saying rape the hamdmaid to induce labor, but these people are geniuses at finding what’s not there.
They’ll get out of it somehow.
Maybe the punishment will be just taking the baby away and no more handmaid’s for them.
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42 minutes ago, Umbelina said:
Aside from everything else, I have a hard time believing all of the key members of the cast only want to do one role for 10 years. By year four, most series hit a high peak and then fall off, and I think the actors, no matter how cool it is to be working, get bored and want to do other roles.
So I have hope this is going to be a four year show, five at the max, and that will include at least an entire season of "after Gilead falls."
After this season, I'm more than ready for the revolution, even though I know Gilead phase two and phase three "gets worse for the women." I'm willing to accept that, but I don't want to linger there too long.
ETA
I'm hoping the bombing is the catalyst for entering phase two, and that is covered by then end of this season and the beginning of the next. I certainly hope by the end of season 4 we've entered phase three of Gilead, which yes, will be even more horrible for the women, but one season of that is more than enough, with plenty of world involvement and Mayday and the Underground Female Railroad, and finally? Revolution and Gilead being overthrown starting at the end of season 4. Season five, continue that, and then show us what happens to everyone after Gilead is finally eliminated.
I love this show, but even then? I don't think I can stand 10 years of this. I would probably check out, and come back only when Gilead does fall.
I just wonder how are they going to make things "even worse for the women" in Gilead phase two and three.
What the hell are they going to do next to them?
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1 hour ago, The Mighty Peanut said:
I agree with you in that Serena does have a genuine love of children, and that of all the Commanders' wives she is probably the best one to have if you want to learn how to read in secret and avoid marrying at 15. She definitely won't waste away from lack of motherly love like poor Charlotte. SJ would love to nurture and see her child grow. That's not unimportant. However, I think once her child acted with any real defiance (not a toddler's tantrum, but a long teenage spat of you-don't-know-anything-mom), or threatened SJ's status in Gilead somehow, she would get really mean, really fast. She doesn't want a fully realized person with their own feelings and wants and needs. She wants a baby to provide herself, Serena Joy, with the love she is missing in her own life.
Yes, her unnatural need to have children and to love them comes out probably out of her need to be loved. because now she is isolated from feelings and doesn't have a husband or a family (the relationship between Fred and SJ to me is not a marriage and can even less be called a family). so the baby in her mind is giving her a family as much as she is giving him as well.
My main problem with Serena has always been her lack of empathy.
She sees evil in Fred and Gilead when something happens to her. But she doesn't see wrong in rape and stealing a child since (still) it hasn't happen to her. And I think that if her marriage was just a little bit better she wouldn't given a second thought to the Hawaii escape, so she probably thinks that after the baby comes the idea that Gilead is bad will be gone.And her scene with Eden was a bit telling because she was acting motherly towards her and looked surprised when she heard how Eden thinks of sex, but she didn't look like she felt sorry or regretful because partially she is the reason Eden knows nothing else outside the Gilead bubble.
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Did you know that Yvonne filmed that rape scene while she was pregnant? :O
That must've hit home.
She said that from the Canada episode she was pregnant.
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12 minutes ago, GraceK said:
Serena is delusional on so many levels it’s not even funny. She’s not even thinking past this baby. She’s given no thought to what life this child is gonna have. If it’s a girl she’s destined for a life of a servitude to a man, where she cannot read or write with no power or freedom. And if it’s a boy he will be raised to treat Serena like a second class citizen with no respect for her at all. Once he’s no longer a baby, not even “her” son will respect or love her in that society. Has she even thought of that? She’s damned herself no matter what.
I now really hope she never gets a baby. Nor June’s or her own or anybody else.
That will be her greatest punishment.
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12 hours ago, BellyLaughter said:
Yvonne Strahovski is the star of this show....she won't be getting the Emmy but she should....no matter how very much I despise Serena Joy. Her performance is incredible.
My favourite part of the episode was Mark pointing out to Serena that they now believe that the infertility problem is a male issue....not female. That's a neat little hand grenade that got lobbed her way....considering she already knows Fred is firing blanks...
Yes, she stole this season.
To me, in the last season SJ wasn't even in the top 5 most interesting characters, but now she is the top one. And the feedback Yvonne is receiving on her performance is really great.
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6 hours ago, mamadrama said:
According to IMDB, a diver and underwater cameraman are present in episodes 11 and 12, as well as a stunt double for Elisabeth.
Hahahaha imagine that is June underwater after this horror and after giving away her baby.
Then I would be totally done with this show.
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3 minutes ago, GraceK said:
I just don’t understand the logic here. Are they that impatient for the baby or do they just want June to suffer? She’s gonna give birth any day now anyway, why force the issue? Just as power move because June pissed them off? Really????!!!
I think the one two punch here is June losing the baby. It may not be in the stillborn sense, or in the shredder sense, I think it’s in the sense of in her plans have amounted to nothing. Whatever her grand scheme was to have her baby away from the Waterford’s and near Hannah will end up with her being raped and the baby taken away by force anyway and her left with nothing, probably giving birth alone and in traumatic circumstances. The only silver lining is that the Waterford’s will not be given that baby.
Me too, maybe to show the audience that SJ is not redeemable.
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Someone posted the rape scene on YT and reddit but its down.
This is what the people who saw it say:
SpoilerSorry sorry sorry I’m terrible with links and this is only the second time I’ve ever posted on reddit. Trigger warning af - about to describe the whole scene. This is a rape scene. Opens with June in her room talking to her belly, Saying I love you and things to that effect. Rita walks in and says Serena wants to see her. As June exits the room Rita says “I’ll tell the baby about you” They nod tearfully at each other and June walks off. She pauses, takes a breath and rubs her neck for a moment before entering the Waterford bedroom. When she does, Serena tells her to take a seat on the bed. She does. And at the same time Fred appears and closes the bedroom door, closing the three of them inside. Serena places a hand in June’s and says “we need to get the baby out the natural way” June immediately understands what this means, starts to freak out. Speaking rapidly to Serena saying things like “no don’t. It’s bad for the baby” Serena says “this is for the baby, we have to, yes” Fred appears and flips June onto her back. Serena holds her arms down as June screams at her that she doesn’t have to do this and that she can stop this. At the same time Fred is frantically whispering affirming words to Serena to get her to comply.
Then they rape her. And as someone stated above, it is the most turned on we ever see Fred. It’s a rough scene.It ends with Serena walking into what I assume is the bathroom and shutting the door behind her. Fred turning away to puts his pants back on, and June lying there completely disassociated and broken.:o
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9 minutes ago, GraceK said:
Serena is not getting that baby. Doesn’t it say in the episode descriptions that the Waterford’s end up paying for how they treat June? This comes back to bite them I bet anything.
No way in hell that she is getting that baby.
But I think that somehow the Commander and Serena will creep out of this situation. :/
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29 minutes ago, Umbelina said:
Thank you! Yes, Mark Tuello, played by Sam Jaeger. I don't even find him listed as a cast member on the show's IMDb or his own. I was hoping to sneak a peak and see if he'll be in other episodes, but they don't even show this one.
SpoilerI read that the producers said he won't return this season, maybe in the next.
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5 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:
This is fucking sadistic. It's not entertaining.
This is a bit too much for me and I watch GoT so that saying something.
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I wonder what will Aunt Lydia do when she finds about this.
The Commander and Serena will pay, and I feel bad that Serena participated in this, she threw every improvement in the last episodes down the drain.
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1 hour ago, Umbelina said:
I understand what you are saying, but I still think the baby is the tipping point for her.
I don't agree that she loves Fred anymore though, I think she hates his guts. He's not the man she married, not even close. That Fred loved her power and intelligence, and loved having sex with her. Current Fred refuses sex with her, and he breaks all the other Gilead rules, but not that one?
As for her prestige and protection? She knows that's hanging by a frayed thread, because Fred could be taken out at any time, he's only in it for the power, he doesn't give a flying fuck about the religion or the rules, he's repeated fucked handmaids outside the ceremony, he goes to Jezebel's, and if he goes down? She goes down too. As I said earlier, they are living in a burning house, and I think she knows that.
The CIA guy offered her power and prestige and money with the "you write it, we'll publish it" offer. She is a successful writer, it's what she really loves, not gardening or knitting, she could spin her story to be accepted by the masses. "My intentions were a cleaner planet, and healthy babies, and to bring God back into society, and I thought that's what I was working for. Instead, it all backfired, the men took over and created Handmaids, and the killings began, I was helpless to stop any of that..blah blah blah...my dreams became nightmares for everyone, including me. Others suffered much more and I'm, at least in part, responsible for that...blah blah apologies all around blah blah."
The baby though, I've know baby-crazy women before, it's an odd concept to me personally, but I kind of have to buy into it with Serena. THAT was the one thing CIA guy couldn't promise, especially if the gunshot ended all chance of that for her.
Yeah, I think her love towards him has ended and not neceserly after the beating, but perhaps even before.
The only thing that is making her stay in Gilead is "her" baby and her pride. She can't even accept that she was wrong to herself, barley to someone else. And the thing that will push her over the edge in this season is if she doesn't get the baby, then I think she'll try to run to Canada or the rest of free America; because she is more alone in Gilead then anyone else, she literally has no one except her now abusive husband (and most of that misery is completely deserved.)
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S02.E11: Holly
in The Handmaid's Tale
Yes, I agree so much.
IMO Ann Dowd outshined Moss in the first season and now Yvonne Strahovski stole the spotlight with her performance.
This episode was the weakest in the season, no progress whatsoever besides the birth of Holly and the promo and the spoilers for the two final episodes doesn't give me hope.