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Thanks Eeksquire. Well, at least that part of the contrivance was addressed. That just leaves the annoyance of having Rebecca and not Darryl representing the ... majority? shares? But Rebecca's not majority, she just helped acquire the tiny differential that gave DARRYL the majority.

Did they acknowledge that in the writing? Otherwise it's not good writing. MMV.

Nathaniel's father's firm just lost the ex-wife's shares. When Nathaniel first came in, he was equal partners w/Darryl. Very quickly he acquired the ex-wife's shares, which made him majority partner. Now the sale of those shares has been voided, I guess that makes Rebecca/Darryl majority. My question is what was the percentage the ex-wife had? I guess originally, after Darryl first brought in Nathaniel, Darryl could have had 48% and Nathaniel 48%, and the ex-wife as a very minority shareholder at 4% until Nathaniel bought her out and became majority owner. Now that key percentage has switched hands and "Darryl's" faction of the office owns the majority. While I understand the whole point was to get Rebecca and Nathaniel into a shared office, and banging away, it made no sense to me. Rebecca had her own nice, large office when she worked there before, without needing to share with Nathaniel or Darryl. And what is it the "rest of the office" chose Rebecca to do again? Why does she need to be in that role? Darryl still has his large number of shares, Nathaniel his, and Rebecca only "represents" the minority they were able to buy back. Why would the office vote her as the controlling representative instead of Darryl? That, also, made no sense. None of it did. Again, it feels like CEG thinks we'll over look it because they are banking the entire back half of this season on being gaga over Nathaniel Rebecca sexual tension and sex. I think they overinvested.

You know what, it wasn't until this discussion angle developed in this thread that it registered with me - Darryl's quest for a baby is supposed to be a major story arc this season! I just saw it as kind of an annoyance and ignored it when I could. I'm accustomed to Rebecca's love interests playing every episode, and the "parents" of the show (Paula and Darryl) playing every episode, while the rest of the cast might miss a show or two. So until now, I had kind of automatically put the baby story in the "Give Pete Gardner something to do" category. When of course it can't be - it pulled in Paula, it pulled in Rebecca, and now it's pulled in Heather, and I still don't care. But now I realize - it's a lynchpin of S3. It's NOT this side thing. Damn it. It's a horrible plot point, I am not invested, and I now have to jump on board the train that thinks a little Darryl goes a long way. Yes, Pete Gardner is a sketch comic genius, which means he's huge in Bloom's world. I can see he's a pro, he's endearing, blah blah, but the character is really not up to all the air time he's gotten, particularly not the emotional stakes.

I hesitate to agree, but I agree. Not so much because I think the show needs to take it more seriously, but because I just don't buy into Darryl wanting a baby this much, so I don't care. I find it annoying. I don't care how it comes out. It doesn't feel in any way organic. I loved the first half of this season. It's the post-diagnosis second half that's tripping over itself. All the Nathaniel stuff already brought up. And Empress1, absolutely - Rebecca's medical history is bad news for a baby, or at least a "proceed with caution." Let's have some psa about that. It does feel "too plotty", and, as well, I think they lean way too hard on already established aspects of Rebecca's personality to leap into a plot point, instead of taking any time to build it. I felt that the time she stalked Nathaniel's dad was like that. "Oh, remember how she used to do it with Josh? It's still there!" Ok, but it's all tell, don't show, as someone else said. Way way way to much tell don't show, and the "Tell" part goes like "Oh we've seen her do this before, so we don't have to put any work into it now. We can just remind you and then - GO!"

Yes, it's really annoying. They're subverting their own "subversion" of romantic tropes by signalling all over the place that this is the guy if only Rebecca were healthy for a relationship. That he's for real - her being into him really isn't a manifestation of her illness the way Josh and Greg were. IOW, her illness is being treated as a freaking obstacle for this great couple getting together. It really is tell, don't show. We're supposed to believe they have great chemistry, and Rebecca not being well is a way to satiate the audience with a whole bunch of sex scenes the show runners obviously think we are gagging to see. I like Scott Michael Thomas but I don't find him as irresistibly sexy as CEG seems to think we do, and I don't watch CEG to get off on him and Rachel Bloom making out and panting. I have all kinds of objections, beginning with "it's every leading man trope all rolled into one." This show is going to lose its trope desconstruction bragging rights if it keeps it up. Throwing in that Nathaniel has a troubled background doesn't mitigate the trope. Oh, guess what - he's human, not a cartoon. I get it. He's still a trope. On a show that's all about diversity I also have to object that the straight white hunky guy is getting such a massive push. At least Trent was "off". And actually did have great chemistry with Rebecca. I could watch them talk over dinner for hours. :) Predictions (not spoilers) - Rebecca decides to get an abortion, but changes her mind. If that happens, I'm done. P.S. - I also agree that Josh and Rebecca are due for a reckoning that CEG goes out of its way to avoid. Josh's little visit to Rebecca to "thank her" ducked all the issues. CEG likes to air things out but they obviously have no interest in these two having a conversation. I don't even know why Vincent Rodriguez III is still on CEG (OR Gabrielle Ruiz) except that the show runners like both actors personally. The best way to show that love would be to write for them, not just slot them in so they get a paycheck.

Not only do I think Bloom showing her un-spanxed stomach a lot in this episode was a reaction to Donna Lynne Champlin's interview about HER stomach, I think Heather saying she "gets that a lot" (about people thinking she's Indian) was straight from questions about Vera Lovell. I saw this whole thing on twitter last year arguing about whether or not she was Indian, and then Lovell herself finally stepped in. I was a bit confused about the Kevin angle in this episode. What did the corporate training program have to do w/diversity? If Heather's trainee group were representative of Home Base's cultural competency, that would be one thing, but she was the only PoC there. Kevin's entire awkward approach appeared to be a response to some initiative from corporate about promoting PoC in the organization, so he wanted to be sure Heather ticked the boxes - or he wanted to know what boxes on the forms he should check. However, it turned out to be irrelevant to the program, and Heather's presence was an unexpected influence, versus one corporate had appeared to purposefully seek. So what was that all about from Kevin?

It's kind of like having it both ways. The step forward is, she has a diagnosis and is in therapy. I get that she's going to backslide, but the entire show since her diagnosis has been ALL backsliding, played for comedy, so I don't get the point of her getting a diagnosis. A little forward motion is also necessary. How long was she actually broken up w/Nathaniel? Half an episode? So it's a big hamster wheel now. I always felt the show was moving forward before. The first and second seasons were pushing towards her getting Josh, and when she got him, that was the worst thing that could ever happen - actually marrying him without acknowledging she "has issues to address". It was clear that, one way or another, the wedding would push her to the brink, and then what? (literally illustrated by taking place cliffside). Here I don't think the show is taking her backsliding seriously.

Nathaniel and Rebecca's storyline coming UP? I thought the entire season has been Nathaniel and Rebecca's story, and that's not a good thing, IMO. I wouldn't even describe Rebecca as "there for Darryl." Her donating an egg was completely impulsive, she gave it no thought at all, and was about her, not him. When the two leading men were Josh and Greg, I don't recall Greg getting shoved on the back burner for Josh, and vice versa. I think everything and everyone has been shoved off the table for Nathaniel/Rebecca, and the show runners are infatuated. Yes, they give individual characters a special episode, although I've lost hope of Valencia getting one that isn't half assed, but the show is a two-hander at this point, without telling us much, IMO. Ok, yes, I get that Rebecca gets obsessive with men, but Josh was more than that. She was truly having an extended nervous breakdown, she had avoided getting help for years, she felt terrible, and that internal deconstruction was mirrored in her escalating behavior with Josh. And of course there was the tension of - would he find out everything she did and was doing? Would Greg find out? Would Greg ignore what he knew to be true about Rebecca and insist on putting on blinders because he wanted her himself? would he find out how far she'd gone? Would Rebecca have any realization about herself? There's no tension with Nathaniel/Rebecca. Rebecca is self-aware, if she let herself focus she would know what she's doing, which is why she's avoiding her therapist. Nathaniel knows her entire story and apparently isn't much interested in her "getting well." so there's no tension that he'll find out she's obsessive. There's no stakes, IOW, so it definitely feels like a generic push pull where we want them to get together. We know she's not supposed to, but they're so great together! (or that's the message I get from CEG, which to me means it's gone off track) Her "This isn't what your therapist would approve." isn't enough. Long story short, Nathaniel closes down the show instead of opening it up. Josh gave material to Paula - Rebecca needed a partner in crime. To Valencia, as the obstacle and then as almost Rebecca's rebound friend. The Nathaniel story doesn't have a structure that feeds the rest of the cast, so it comes off as, come on, isn't he just so great? Let's see more of him! That's what you're waiting for! And yes, about the vibrator. Come on, show.

I have mixed feelings. I think the actor is a good fit for the show, understands the comic rhythms, and works well with the rest of the cast. BUT, IMO they are pushing him too hard. Why even have Josh there at this point? I know they try to keep the actors they like working, but I feel that Nathaniel has end game vibes the show is pushing hard. Oh he's so hot, so nice underneath, so smart, but also vulnerable, he's her perfect match! Hit me over the head why don't you. The show has become this will they or won't they Cheers bullshit and I don't care enough. I like Nathaniel, but one way to ruin it is to force even someone you like. He IS the new guy and now he's the lead guy more than Josh or Greg ever were, and it's overkill. (And I never liked Greg, but still.) The show has said it's not a love story or about putting the guy and girl together at the end, but I don't believe them, not with Nathaniel. Bloom and Josh McKenna have always seemed completely infatuated when the topic of Scott Michael Thomas comes up. I suspect because Santino Fontano wasn't precisely a good fit in some ways, not just in acting, and they're like "THIS guy! He gets it! We love him! and he's hot! Look at him!" and it's OTT to me. The Nathaniel/Rebecca thing isn't achored the way Josh/Rebecca was, so we have to view it as an end game deal. Josh was clearly just a deflection from Rebecca's internal chaos - it could have been anyone. Greg was the fallback position/staging area where she'd go to lick her wounds until a new Josh opportunity came about - Greg knew this, but fell for her and hated himself for it. They were two sides of the same coin. Despite Rebecca's decision to break up, the show is not really portraying Nathaniel as a facet of her "issues" so they're selling him as her true match. It was also too conspicuous that the actor playing Dr. Shin wasn't there for this episode. Another thing - I thought there would be some overarching reason for why Kevin got hot and sweaty in the scene before Rebecca got hot and sweaty, because it made no sense why that happened with Kevin. Whatsoever. He's never been like that. But nope. Just a joke? Didn't land for me. Weakest songs of the three years, IMO. The tango was overly on the nose, so the song was redundant, instead of expanding on or opening up the dynamic between Nathaniel and Rebecca. That would have been much better than what actually happened. Lots of magical events moving people forward in this episode. At least Trent is established. We could rationalize that she didn't want to stir up the hornet's nest of Trent, but OTOH, that is also an unfinished threat. Trent wanted to break up the wedding to Josh. For all Trent knows, his secret info on Rebecca was the reason Josh left Rebecca at the altar. So why no follow through from Trent? Maybe most women would steer clear of their quasi-stalker, but Rebecca wouldn't if she needed his money, and she did. I like how much Rachel Bloom showed her flabby stomach in this. I suspect she did it in solidarity with Donna Lynne Champlin, for these reasons. Donna Lynne gave an interview talking about how a director, and then a producer, on CEG told her to sit up straighter in a scene because her stomach was showing "And you'll be happier if you sit up." She took issue with that - this is her body. She also explained that she HAS a stomach, the show is supposed to be body positive, and if the old saw about "People don't want to see that" or "It's distracting" holds true, it's because we're never allowed to see it, and that's why it's distracting. Boobs we see all the time - oh, another set of boobs - yawn. So show it (the stomach). That was her point. She took her concern to one of the show runners who finally said 'sit however you want." Bloom has been wearing spanx on the show ALL THE TIME. In "California Xmas Time" you can see the spanx covering her entire midsection every time her loose button down flies up, and you can see it in many other shots. So for her to forgo it and just lift her shirt was interesting to me, and I wonder if she ran with it because of what Donna Lynne had said. She showed her bare stomach so much in this episode. They have to find something for Valencia to do. I feel it's almost not fair. The poop song of a few episodes ago wasn't anchored to anything real for her character or life.

Ay yi. Two N's at the end? Why? I read this article about the difference between eastern U.S. names and names in the west. The Palin family names (a/k/a Sarah Palin's fam names) were listed as absolutely typical of the west, from Bristol to Track to Trigg. This doesn't explain why people I know in the east are throwing triple consonents and "Guess what vowel" at the names of their kids. I guess where I land is, if you are going to give your kid a relatively conventional name, you are fooling nobody with tricked up spelling. In fact, you are trashing you kid's name.

I don't go to Starbucks but I can easily imagine an $8.00 scone here in Brooklyn. Even if the price is a bit of an exaggeration, it's the sort of exaggeration that just highlights reality. Rebecca definitely quit her job. Timeline: She sleeps with Greg's dad, and shortly afterwards she's in Scarsdale, away from Dr. Avakian. She's not in therapy. She "agrees" with her mother that she'll resign from Whitefeather and apply to return to her former firm. Shortly afterwards a dismayed Nathaniel receives her resignation. It's not loa. She quit. Shortly after THAT, Rebecca's mom finds her browser history, and shortly after that, Rebecca makes her suicide attempt on the plane. Subsequently, she enters therapy. It's both individual and group therapy. She has to pay separately for each (one fee for group, one for individual therapy), unless she's entered a program, which would also be expensive. Her financial situation hasn't been addressed in therapy that we've seen. CEG is so hit and miss w/money. I can well believe that rents in West Covina aren't that high. Can also believe that employment opportunities for a millennial aren't that plentiful, and what we've seen is pretty much on offer - small regional law firms, tech centers, gyms, bars, restaurants. Rebecca's rent would be on the high side - a two bedroom with that kitchen and that living room space. (CEG dealt with Valencia's financial history in season 1 when we learned her credit was poor. It was a nice reality-based touch, but CEG just veers around completely when it comes to its characters resources.) Rebecca said she spent tens of thousands of dollars on Josh. I remember when she went broke, but then she got a bonus check and apparently it restored her to financial security. Really? At what she's pulling in at Whitefeather, even if she's the highest earner, she couldn't possibly have had tens of thousands of dollars to throw away. After all, Darryl himself can only afford to purchase eggs once a year. The Advanced Fertility Center of Chicago reports that a complete cycle is 26k. Rebecca "donating" suggests all that's involved in ivf is a viable egg. No, it's the entire process, which is done under medical supervision, which is not cheap. It's still going to cost a boatload. Wonder why Valencia isn't dating. Maybe the long game is to have her reconcile with Josh once they both have "found themselves." Nice kicker at the end that Rebecca donating an egg to Darryl is pretty much every bit as dramatic and impulsive as the stuff she's done for romantic love. It's funny, from what we've seen, Valencia is almost the one with no safety net. We saw her speak on the phone to her family once, when she was hoping Josh would propose, but that's it. We saw the enormous wedding of Josh's sister, which had to be very expensive, we know his other sister is in college, and that his dad owns a medical lab. So I figure Josh has been enabled in his career vacillation because he's never had to just "survive". Heather's parents live locally, she lived with them even after she reached adulthood, and that is always somewhere she can return to if it came to that. Even going back to Greg, he and his dad lived together, and there was this whole sob story about how it held him back from pursuing school, but it turned out he had a rich mother and stepfather very willing to pitch in as soon as he got over his butthurt. CEG really doesn't have too many characters who lack a back-up. I'm still suspicious of the entire Naomi thing. Her approach to life as a sort of bitterness that suggests she thinks she should be living a different sort of life, but her husband's faithlessness deprived her of the style to which she was entitled to become accustomed. But a) her husband clearly never had the income to establish that lifestyle in the first place; b) her lifestyle is sustained, and her daughter's education paid for, without any visible means of support. Want that grandparent inheritence and trust fund to get a shout out on CEG tout de suite!

COBRA is expensive, though, and Rebecca has rent and therapy. I don't think she's going to qualify for sliding scale, but even that is expensive. She clearly has no savings.

Even in a town as poky as West Covina, there are a million venues where Valencia, a certified yoga instructor, could teach yoga. White Josh's gym. Another yoga studio other than the one where she taught befroe. Yoga also classes happen in the same fitness clubs that have Zumba, bootcamp, spin, etc. She could be a personal yoga instructor and do at home stuff. Just to put a bit of a safety net underneath her.

OMG, I know. Her taking the floor at the engagement party - even when she hesitated and started talking about love instead - Rebecca, go away. Give the microphone back to the grandmother. Thought the actress playing the cheating fiancee' did an absolutely great job, and her look was on point too. While he was fit already when he joined the show, Scott Michael Thomas has lost even more weight. He said he didn't used to be as fit as he's had to be on this show, but now he actually does have to eat and work out the way Nathaniel does in order to do the role. I'd also noticed that suddenly Vincent Rodriguez III was super ripped. I guess all three guys saw the script for this show and set to work. Rebecca has less than $300 in the bank? How is she paying her rent, eating, and going to therapy? Heather's been a slacker for so long but somehow I wasn't that surprised when it turned out she's a day manager at Home Base. Why can't Valencia teach yoga AND do her wedding/engagement planning business? A lot of people have multiple income streams. She didn't have to abandon yoga, and yoga could have been her safety net while her business got off the ground. Really curious about what Rebecca is going to end up doing for a living. Rachel Bloom has said that being a lawyer isn't the best fit for Rebecca, although it is for Paula. But key members of the cast work at Whitefeather, and if Rebecca isn't a lawyer it would be difficult to integrate them.

Agree with all points except I don't believe Josh said why he was in New York, just that he'd been there x months and it wasn't for him. Yep. Also in the "Jap Battle Rap" opposite Audra, they were both JAPs, which was described to the "goys" as "Daughters of Privilege" among other things.

:) @dubbelzout. sweetcookieface, and we're not even calculating her presumed educational and career break spent in a sanitarium medicated up to the gills. That would slow down her timeline. Another thing you might relate to - one of the things the partners told her when they gave her the promotion was she was the hardest working associate they'd ever seen. That's not the metric used for partnership! Anyway, the law stuff I guess we just have to roll with, but her JAP credentials coupled with a n'er do well dad and a non-working mom do not scan at all. You can't do the Scarsdale life without boatloads of alimony, a big settlement, and child support rolling in. They didn't bother making those two things match.

Yes. I only mentioned social security because in the universe of the show, Naomi isn't even old enough for that, so what is she living on? CEG shouldn't be trying to have it both ways - locate Rebecca as the product of the very specific world of the privileged Westchester "JAP" (a lifestyle that included a high priced camp every summer) but also make her the daughter of a feckless father who deserted the family when Rebecca was a child and has clearly made no contribution, financial or emotional, since. It makes no sense that Naomi was able to raise Rebecca in that environment with no means of support. She resigned.

As I said before, I continue to be distracted by Rebecca's financial situation. She once told Paula that if she'd stayed in NYC, she'd have made something like 550k as a junior partner. This means she made less as a senior associate. It's a lot of money, but she can't have been raking in the mid-six figures for THAT long - she was only late 20s and a bit delayed on her career track due to her nervous breakdown, so maybe four years she was earning it? Spending a boatload on rent - that place she rented in NYC was about 3k a month at least - had to be. There's also our near-punitive city and state taxes. And no college or law school loans? How the hell does Naomi pay for all of it, how does Naomi support her own lifestyle, which includes a lot of expensive, elective cosmetic treatments? At West Covina, highest earner in the firm or not, Rebecca is probably not making what she did as a senior associate in NYC, or even close, and she went broke. So anyway, I'm just curious about where her health care $$ is coming from since she's not working. Just as I've long been curious about her status as a "Jewish American Princess from Scarsdale" complete with neo Tudor childhood home, since there's no dad in the corporate or financial sector C-suite and mom doesn't work. Her dad has been shown as basically a grifter who had to fly economy back from Rebecca's non-wedding. How then, was that Scarsdale lifestyle sustained, Harvard and Yale paid for, a sanitarium with sweeping lawns and uniformed nurses paid for, and her mother's (whom Audra Levine implied was sixty - pre-social security age) stay at home status paid for? I think a couple of throw away lines explaining it would go a long way. The one thing you'd think a mother/daughter deserted early by a n'er do well dad would worry about is money, but they never do. Just show us that there are grandparents somewhere, that Naomi was left a boatload by her parents, and it would all be good.

LisaM, the episode ended there. It's a cliffhanger, although the previews for next week spoil the answer. I liked Rebecca repeating her Josh patterns with Nathaniel, but the mechanism - the boss, secretary, fake golf thing - was strained, as others note. I don't like when plot point is just jammed through.

Really good point about Josh not actually being lazy. On top of that, he has actual aptitude for a number of things - he's tech savvy, but also creative (social media savvy). He's got social savvy - remember in the first season when he knew exactly how to get Rebecca's party started. Then there's the athletic side that could translate into coaching - mixed martial arts and hip hop. I could see him working in media for a brand - or working in media for a school, college, or organization he was passionate about - promoting the sports events, cultural events, etc. He's definitely not corporate and obviously not suited for the lab his dad owns. I don't know if I especially buy Nathaniel wanting to be someone who cries and shows emotions. I do believe that a reserved,WASP type guy would be attracted to a dynamic, dramatic woman. I know a WASP dude who did the same thing - he was reserved himself but after feeling emotionally starved in one relationship he 180'd and married someone who was all drama. They had other things in common, but the drama part of their dynamic is probably the biggest stressor on the relationship, even though I'd describe it as successful (my brother has said he couldn't handle having his name called and said that many times a day). I think they keep boxing Darryl in. The actor is good, but the choices they make to supposedly open up his storyline just box him in. His "Bi" song was great, but then they immediately put him in a committed relationship w/white Josh. I think there would have been more story in watching him date either as a straight man, or a bi man, and work out other things in his life - such as how he clings to his 1/66th Cherokee identity or whatever the percentage is, and maybe how he acquires some self-esteem. You want people's stories to be kind of fluid. Like Paula's. Paula's can go anywhere. They smartly broke "George" (a good actor) out of the one-note, tiresome thing of being the guy nobody remembered, to the guy who goes along to make things easier at work, and ends up as a hilarious sidekick, where he is a perfect fit and where his role can also go anywhere. Even Josh's story is kind of fluid, since he's been established as talented but immature, and with a broad, generalized skill set. Nathaniel is in danger of being boxed in as the repressed guy who just wants to learn to feel his feelings, so every story seems like it's going to be pinned on that premise (and I thought the cliffhanger was lame).

Lourdes acted like Josh has lived with her for years, but he lived w/Valencia for awhile, and in the first season even thought it was lame that Hector lived with his mom. He resisted going back home and stayed the night at work once. So he has had his ass out of her house, and this is actually a transitional point for him. Not that I disagree w/Lourdes. Josh does need to grow up and living at home is not the way, because he'll just be lazy there and never deal. If Rebecca no longer works at Whitefeather, how is she paying for private and group therapy? And rent? And everything else. Yes, she made lawyer money, but West Covina lawyer money, and it's been shown she spends her money as fast as it comes in. This episode felt pretty forced to me. But, I did appreciate that Paula was up in Darryl's business instead of Rebecca's. I also enjoyed George and Rebecca. The actor who plays George was in a whole bunch of Rachel Bloom's youtube videos, and IMO the most talented of her youtube regulars. His line readings are great. Both Mrs. Hernandez and Paula looked great in this episode. The writing for Lourdes is brilliant. "Sorry. Those are not real problems." I LOL, and just when I was thinking, "Oh, that's really good acting from Vincent Rodriguez III!"

Thanks Wonderwoman. I also laughed and felt appreciative when he said Joel is just a drip and does not work. The show is so good at making things zippy it helps you not notice, but he is such an extreme downer. I also liked when Sepinwall said Joel lingering on and on may be realistic, but it's not dramatically satisfying. Yes! THAT's the problem. I watch and am like, yeah, he's the father of her kids, til he bailed on her they were "happy", so I get where Midge is - but I don't CARE! I don't want to see it. The inevitable sequence where they slept together was torture. I wonder how many other critics have pointed this stuff out.

I haven't seen a proper "liquor store" in forever. The "wine stores" around here in Brooklyn are open seven days a week, obviously that includes Sunday. Most sell liquor - the basic brands of bourbon, vodka, rye, scotch, etc., and of course some "locally sourced." stuff. Not beer though. There's a discount "wine and liquor" store about a mile and a half away off the expressway, and it, too, is open on Sunday. What I understand from one of the store owners is they are legally obligated to be closed Xmas day. We used to have the worst and most restricted laws, and even now, wine can't be sold in a grocery or convenience mart the way it can in other places, which is annoying. I really don't see Josh as headed for a breakdown. I think he's a character that the writers take the easy way out with. His best episode this season was when Rebecca was stalking him/haunting him. I can only put him together from what we've seen. He's an underachiever in a high achieving, successful family. His family kind of rolls their eyes at him - remember when he told them he was going to ask for a raise first day back at work and they just made faces instead of saying bad idea? I mean his father said it, but sarcastically, expecting it to go over Josh's head, which it did. I think I remember his mother being happy he was home, but some of what we're shown just feels incomplete somehow. He's the son, but they don't seem especially concerned that he has no direction, they seem aware that he's an underachiever but are also, hey, sure, live at home until whenever. I have theories about the writing for Nathanial but I have to kind of sort that through.

I saw that, but I figure we're talking about last season. This season has been very well-reviewed so far and might get some nominations next year. Jane the Virgin shut out as well. Pleased to see Rachel Brosnahan of Marvellous Mrs. Maisel nominated.