Veronica889

So I’m a few days late on the Jasam breakup conversation but wanted to put in my two cents. I haven’t really watched the show since 2017 but I have followed along some on here and twitter. When is I saw that Jasam were actually going to split I decided to actually watch the scenes. All I could think while watching them was seriously this is why Dream was drop kicked off the face of the earth, so we could have 3 years of whatever the heck it was TPTB were going for the last three years with Jasam? This was preferable to the triangle that was handed to them on a silver platter? Seriously WTH was this? Like I’ve said I haven’t watched, but have Jason and Sam really even been together? First Sam choose Jason but wasn’t ready to be with him, next they were together but had to put the breaks on so Sam could setup her own assault and get a tramp stamp. Than there was Sam in jail and Sam on parole. I had no desire to see a return to Jasam when Sbu came back but you would think if you’re going to completely eliminate one person from the equation like they did with Drew they would have gone all in with Jason and Sam given them a wedding or something. Again I just don’t get what the heck they were going for. As far as the reasons for the breakup this would have made sense 3 years ago now it just seems like lazy writing. Sam had a life free from danger, she had a life where her kids didn’t have to feel embarrassed by guards or their “scary” father. She had a man who treated her as the most important thing in the world and she drop kicked it for a man who she knew would never put her first and would never fight for her or her kids. Now 3 years later the danger and Jason’s complete disinterest in being a father are this deal breaker for her? The infuriating thing too is their giving Sam this dialogue about danger and Jason not being around but refuse to let her have dialogue about the fact that Drew did all the things Jason refuses to do. As someone said though their never going to paint St Jasus in a bad light and heavens knows the most important thing here is Jason won against Drew. I’ll seriously never get over how Sbu’s entire return was basically written as a vehicle for LW and Mo to get to play “neener neener you’re not Jason” to BM. As far as how long this breakup lasts on the one hand I just don’t know where they park Sam if not with Jason. On the other hand this break up to me kinda played like someone with obvious authority was like “put this thing out of its misery”. I guess you could say there have been some hints this was coming with Kristina’s and Alexis’s truths to Sam about her relationship with Jason but you also had Sam selling out her own kids and willing to do just about anything to undermine her parole officer so she could be with Jason so to have her now decide to end things does make me wonder if this is less about story and more about the right people finally realizing this pairing needed to be done.

I see some spec on Sam/Brando happening and even with the passion in which I hate Jasam and how much I at one point was a fan of Sam, I just can’t wish her on Brando. I can’t wish her on any character not after watching how the Drew character ended up completely boned, drawing the short straw of having to be written to be inferior to a asexual emotionally stunted senior citizen hitman.

It seems to be one of the many mysteries of the show, and I go round and round trying to make heads or tails of it. On the one hand I think Jason and Sam must be some kind of mandate but than I think if that were the case wouldn’t they actually have truly been written as a couple by now? Unless the mandate is nothing more than Sam must always be a unlikable Jason obsesses twit. If that’s the case mission accomplished. My next thought is the writers don’t care for or about the characters (Sam particularly) and just write to fill minimums but it’s hard to think you could write something this badly as an afterthought it seems intentional.

I mostly come here to read everyone’s spot on takes on the insufferable mess that is Sam Mcall. I expected the character would suffer with this return to Jasam 2006 the writers seem to want to put her in, where her life’s purpose is to be nothing but a hypocritical Jason obsessed loon but I’m not sure I’ve seen a character fall from grace quite so spectacularly as Sam. There is just nothing redeemable or likable about her at all. The funny thing too is as far as I can tell since I’m not really watching and rely on recaps and social media to keep up on what’s happening - the writers have yet to actually write Jasam in a day to day relationship. It’s been almost 3 years of Sam being a unlikable Jason obsessed twit and they have yet to really write them as a couple since his return. 3 years of we can’t be together because of A, B, C is just beyond ridiculous at this point. First it was Sam forgot her place as Jason’s GF and 15th priority and looked like she might actually chose her life of being someone’s 1st priority. Sure she didn’t pick the life of her and her kids being more important than doing illegal stuff for Sonny and yeah Carly and her whole brood rank higher but all that pales in comparison to finally being able to get out of those skirts of oppression that were forced upon her in her life with Drew. After that her and Borg couldn’t be together because it was going to hurt Drew and Jasam being the compassionate people they are just couldn’t hurt Drew when he already hurting over his dying son. Though I think this may have only been in the writers minds when they talked to the mags since it never actually showed up on screen which isn’t surprising considering Drew never shared airtime with Jasam. Next Sam is ready to be with her borg but oh no Chrissy has been lured into a cult and the only way to help is for Sam to get tattooed and felt up by the cult leader! Now we’re on the latest version of why they can’t be together Sam going to jail and now her parole officer is trying to get in the way of the great Jasam love. i just don’t get. What are the writers going for? They can’t possibly be oblivious to how tedious and unwatchable this is. I think whatever chem these two had is long gone and that would be best served moved on but if you’re not going to do that than just put them together and be done with it.

The levels of pathetic the Jasam relationship is, in particular the Sam half of it seems to know no bounds.

I haven’t actually watched a whole episode in about 3 years but I do follow along some on here and Twitter. I see Sam’s writing has gotten no better and has arguably gotten worse. Ive been critical of these writers for writing characters and stories so all over the place but they do seem pretty committed to making Sam as unlikable as humanly possible, so I guess they can focus when they really want to. I’m not sure what can even be said about Sam at this point. So much of what I read here is exactly how I feel. The biggest insult to me is that we’re supposed to think Sam was miserable for the 5 years Jason was gone when we watched her happily fall in love with 3 different men. Sure she thought Drew was Jason but their life together was totally different than the one borg Jason offered her. Not once was she written as unhappy with it. I was thinking though if they refuse to ever beak up the Sonny/Carly/Jason duo is there really any other way to write Jason in a pairing without the woman being unlikable and pathetic? If you had Sam (or anyone besides Carly) actually sit down and say what do I get out of this there’s no freaking way. The man is a horrible father, which is why it’s hilarious that he was the voice of “think about the kids” when it would never occur to him actually do what’s best for his kids. Also does he even see Jake ever? Silas, Patrick and Drew were better fathers to Danny. Franco is a better father to Jake. At least when Drew thought he was Jason he acknowledged that bad choices took him away from his family and they were more important. Jason came back and proved to Sonny who he was by saying “I would never leave you” Sam is not and will never be his 1st priority. Heck she’s not even his 10th priority. This is the same man who offered himself up on charges to keep Sonny out of prison, actually went to prison for Michael and was willing to go on the run with Carly mere months after returning. While Sam was in prison was he trying to trade himself for her freedom? Has he told Sonny I need to stay away from you and the mob so I can try to convince Sam’s parole officer to let me see her? So instead of ever letting Sam actually reflect on anything or make character choices based on actual experience they write her with this inate Jason obsession that fuels everything she does.

That’s my big issue with it all too. We saw Sam living a different life with Drew (as Jason) and she wasn’t stifled, unhappy or not herself. She beamed every time Jason (Drew) told her he didn’t want the mob life. She finally grew a back bone when it came to Carly and acknowledged she shouldn’t have accepted all the BS that came with the Jarly relationship. The real Jason comes back and Sam’s like “um actually I do want the man, who will never leave the mob and who still needs Mamma Carly to dress him”. It’s insulting. It would be one thing if BM had played and been written the exact way Sbu was as Jason, but he wasn’t at all. We saw Sam just as happy (I would argue maybe happier) living a completely different life with Drew than hers with Jason, so for her to just go right back with no POV was just horrible storytelling and one of about 100 ways they completely shit the bed with that whole story.

I think she was bordering on unprofessional and insulting about 6 months ago now she’s just downright embarrassing. Between KM’s performances and Mo with his lines written on his hands this show should be ashamed that these are 2 of their top 3 actors in episode counts.

Thank You! That’s what I don’t get either if Drew hated Shilo why would anyone who gets Drew’s memories tell him where the $ is? Shilo should implant himself with Drew’s memories but before he does he can use his skills as a tattoo artist to tattoo a message to himself on his arm, so he knows he’s not really Drew.

Yup. It’s a built in customer base for his shakes and a paying audience for his tours he does with BA and pretty soon LW. Add in that he’s the “winner” over BM and he doesn’t need anything else.

I think you make a lot of good points here and there is probably a lot of truth to this. To me it just adds another layer to how awfully this entire thing has been handled. Pulling BM and KM completely out of each other’s orbits didn’t all of a sudden allow the great Jasam chemistry to shine through. The people who are Jasam fans were always going to see chem and want them while it seems a lot of others don’t find them believable or likable in any scenario because they’ve lost whatever they once had. Had they actually done the triangle it most likely would have been the same audience reaction as it is now Jasam fans would have liked them and the reaction from others would have been what it seems to be now which is they’ve run their course. So basically they just choose the option that catered to no one but Jasam and Burton. I feel like I’m not articulating myself very well here and maybe someone will get what I’m trying to say and say it better lol.

No doubt Scout would have never existed or been miscarried if they had known Steve coming back was even a possibility. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show handle a return worse than that of Sbu. The whole Scout thing to me is just another example of it. It’s so gross that she’s seems to now be this awkward “what do we do with her” 4th wheel who has somehow impeded on the Jasam family. I’ll never understand why the decision was made to throw so many characters in to a upheaval so that Sbu could walk back in like it was 2012. His return should have been written to fit where the show was when he returned not turned upside down to fit him.

Agree 100% on the Jasam stuff. I would also say this feminist is appalled that Sam cares so little for herself that she would go through with that plan.

And she’s about to fall two spots on the list with the truth about Wylie coming out and Carly’s spawn making making their debut.

It really is something else. They can’t be oblivious to how this looks. Not only could they not write a 30 second scene for Sam to go tell Drew she was sorry his son died they couldn’t even write a word of dialogue for Sam to acknowledge Drew while talking about the death of his son and telling the daughter her and Drew share. I don’t want to get all agenda and conspiracy theory but these script writers must be being told under no circumstances can there even be a hint that Drew and Sam ever breathe the same air. Would anyone of their own accord really write a scene in which a woman can’t even be bothered to mention a man she once claimed to love while taking about his son that just died?