FlickChick
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I thought about warning you, but I figured, why burst your "bro" bubble. This season in general has various viewers either hating it or liking it. I saw both its good and bad sides depending on the writer or episode. Not only that, but get ready - Dean's actions in this episode will be brought up at least a few times this season. Never want to let a sleeping drama dog lie!😟
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5 hours ago, rhofmovalley said:
Watching all the seasons and just finished watching this episode. One thing that bugged me...why did John ask Sam why he wasn't in Palo Alto? Couldn't he see that both of his sons were SIXTEEN YEARS older? Sam in particular looked nothing like 2003 Sam.
Shhh.... We're not supposed to notice those things! Also, why John now had practically shaved grey hair instead of how we saw him in the Pilot. Of course I agree with your assessment of the ridiculous question from John in the program - especially about Sam. His hair was (IMO) atrocious throughout most of the series. I really laughed at his S10 "Dutch Boy" paint can look, or was it Prince Valiant"? 😉
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Does anyone know if Jensen has anything in the works that isn't voice work? I don't know if he gets asked that question at the various cons.
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A very interesting question. If the series ended with Swan Song (thus the title), as filmed but without Sam standing under the street light, it would just be the opposite of Carry On, with the brother who survived being the one who died in the other episode, and going on to live a family life. Still unsatisfying IMO. There really should have been only one of two endings: 1. Both brothers dying together while fighting the good fight Butch & Sundance style or 2. Continuing to live in the bunker and either continuing hunting or training and supporting new younger hunters.
Unfortunately, I believe that the finale we got was horrible along with the two previous seasons that preceded it. The entire concept of "Chuck" being God and literally "writing" their lives was quite frankly, crap. It went against everything the brothers believed or accomplished and sacrificed for during their lives. But if Dabb wanted to make a joke out of all they went through, he accomplished his mission with this viewer.
So, I guess my answer is that at least Swan Song had Sam's death as a sacrifice to save the world with Dean there to support him and also make the sacrifice of losing his brother for the greater good. And both choices were then truly free will.
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7 hours ago, rhofmovalley said:
I actually like Curtis Armstrong. Maybe because Revenge of the Nerds (the original) is my favorite movie.
I mentioned elsewhere in the forum that I was very impressed with Curtis when he appeared at a ChiCon. He told us how he looked into the intentions of the character before he could formulate how he would play him. (knowing it was an ongoing part) And that he loved the character!!! Too bad our writers took less interest in how they portrayed our characters than he did in his new role.
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Look at his hair! Not Dean any more.😥
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One of my favorite Dean scenes in this one: "Bite me!". "Phoenix ash. One shell, one ounce of whiskey down the hatch; a little musty on the afterburn." Absolutely classic scene. Love me some smart Dean.
There was a lot of conversation around about the many "mini arcs" in this season. Apparently, Soulless Sam was supposed to last longer, so I think it was back to the think tank flesh out the season.
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Who doesn't love a Clint Eastwood serape in a spaghetti western? I enjoyed the episode for its costumes if nothing else. BTW, did you know that Clint Eastwood's name is an anagram of OLD WEST ACTION?
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12 hours ago, MagnusHex said:
I also haven't seen Wrath of Khan (working my way there), so any complaints that it's a rip-off are lost on me.
Do find a way to see "Wrath of Khan" - IMO it's the best of the original Star Trek movies with "Save the Whales" a close second. I agree about the end of the episode - it's a real heart breaker softened with Dean's forgiving words, great Ackting, and beautiful photography.
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One of my favorites. I thought that the transitions of Sam/Jody and Dean/Eliot scenes were very, very well done. Yes, the ending was abrupt, but many of Supernatural's episodes end in an abrupt and strange way.
Like you, I thought that all the characters were excellent in their interactions with our boys. Unlike you, I always thought that Nicholas Lea was hot in the X-Files - a character you loved to hate - in fact, I always hoped they'd give him more screen time. He did get a fitting end, though!
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4 hours ago, ahrtee said:
On a purely personal note (as one of my least favorite things to do): that's an *awful* lot of windows to clean!
I don't think that Jensen and Danneel will be washing the windows. 😆
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This is one I've never cared about and haven't watched when going through a re-watch.
6 hours ago, MagnusHex said:Next episode looks to be one of the best episodes of all time though.
I really enjoyed it. Of course, it always is a matter of taste whether we like an episode or not. I think there are four or five episodes coming up that I look forward to re-watching all the time.
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5 hours ago, MAK said:
I always thought that was brought up to show that Soulless Sam could only feel physical sensations (pain, pleasure). He didn't know what exactly was wrong with him, but he chased "feelings."
I don't think he even experienced anger or other negative or destructive emotions.
I don't know, it was hard to say. The writing was all over the board. The only consistent traits that I saw were that he was only interested in himself, and his hunt/mission. Anything or anyone that got in his way was ignored or dealt with. Remember the girl in the finale that was "helping" him and it turned out that she was once a hostage of the demon he wanted to kill, so he just shot her so the demon didn't have any leverage? That's cold!!! Also, he was willing to kill Bobby to keep his soul out because he was concerned about his own well-being. Those are pretty negative and destructive emotions to me.
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Welcome back @MagnusHex. I thought maybe you gave up on watching or posting about the episodes. I always enjoy reading your posts.
This was not one of my favorites. The whole Soulless Sam screws every woman in sight was just yuk for me. Add to that-spiders! Double yuk. However, Sam's memories about working with Gramps were important. All in all a forgettable episode for me. But I'm glad you enjoyed it more than I.
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Whatever the outcome - Jensen remains, but not in a few scenes or is replaced completely - unless Jensen has a positive reason for the change, we'll never know. Jensen usually only discusses business when it doesn't reflect negatively on anyone. Actually, that's one of the reasons that I was so surprised when he spoke negatively about the filming of the fight scene in the finale of S13 and that he didn't like the series finale. He probably had reached his limit with that bunch at the time.
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35 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:
All charges were dropped against Alec Baldwin. I think now it's all on the armorer.
As it should be. From Jensen's deposition with the police, he noted that she was young, inexperienced, and a little cocky. It would have been setting a horrible precedent to accuse actors for such gun-related accidents. I think Jensen is smart to always check his gun - but that only protects others on set, not him.
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I always liked this episode. The scene with Dean attempting to pull the sword from the concrete - complete with the music - is hysterical. Yes, the "dragons" were forgettable to be sure. But I thought that the episode flowed very well and surprise! we got a humble Sam who was so sorry for what he did while soulless toward the end.
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I think that Jensen will complete his role since he's always wanted to act in a western. I also agree how scary it is to think the next scene was a shoot-out involving Alec's gun and Jensen.
As far as Halyna's tragic death is concerned, he husband is now an executive producer, so finishing the movie will bring more money into her family.
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I don't know if you already know this, but I read that Sera planned on having Soulless Sam for the entire season only to reveal in the finale why Sam was acting that way all season long. I believe that Kripke stepped in to change it to a half-season reveal and resouling. Of course Sera is a Samgirl, so she wanted almost everything to revolve around his character.
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23 hours ago, MagnusHex said:
Mulder and Scully's chemistry was great throughout almost the entire show, even in the reboot. "Sam and Dean" doesn't quite have that kind of appeal.
You're absolutely right about Mulder and Scully's chemistry and that's the main reason that the show became so popular. (I personally also liked the alien conspiracy story, but I know others didn't)
I also agree that "Sam and Dean" doesn't match it. However, better writing without constantly trying to create drama between them would have helped continue a positive relationship. If you noticed, that type of drama was not something that was prevalent between Mulder and Scully. And, as you said above, Unfortunately they had Sam as a character.🙁
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22 hours ago, MagnusHex said:
I'm pretty sure I've already learned about that before, but I guess I was in denial and having wishful thinking. Ah well... it's nice to dream, isn't it? 😂
Yes, dreams are wonderful! However, despite its shortcomings, and it has many, Supernatural is still one of my favorite series with Dean Winchester as my favorite fictional character of all time. I tried not to expect too much perfection and that helped me hand-wave some of the really poor story choices or "horror" characters. And as I said above, I always had Dean Fucking Winchester to look forward to. 👍
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22 hours ago, MagnusHex said:
I just enjoy seeing the brothers working together so much that I wouldn't really want to see seasons-long drama where they just fight with each other all the time.
Sorry Magnus, all I can say is buckle up! 🙁
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I think the answer lies in the chemistry between the two leads. IMO, the season starts out with, as you put it, amateurish storylines, or as we like to call them, MOTW (Monsters of the Week). But, as the season continued, we got a good look into what these two boys had their whole lives and how they are handling it all now. Also, running through the MOTW, is the story of trying to find their father and then finally reuniting with him. And I'll say one thing about the ending, not knowing if the series would be renewed, they gave it one hell of an action packed finale.
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4 hours ago, MagnusHex said:
Christ, as if I wasn't afraid of the dentist already (and Corbin Bernsen's The Dentist horror movies definitely didn't help).
LOL. I have never been able to watch that scene - even on the original showing, so I don't even know the details of what happened. And that's the way I want to keep it!!!!
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S07.E03: The Girl Next Door
in Supernatural
Yes, unfortunately the writers couldn't figure how to write good drama without making the brothers' personalities change from episode to episode or be at odds with one another. But overall, it was one of my favorite series as long as I didn't let all the writers' failures spoil it for me.