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2 hours ago, MaggieG said:
I did see that Leah tweeted about the commercial but I wonder if it only aired in certain markets. I live in GA and didn't see it.
I live in the Chicago burbs and don't recall seeing it. I recorded the game to capture commercials I may have missed, so I'll have to go through it tonight to see if they showed it here. Does anyone know about when it was on? First quarter, before the game, halftime, etc?
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Don't know how accurate The Star has been in it's reporting in the past, but I'll just leave this right here: Tom Cruise to Quit Scientology for Suri.
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17 hours ago, FairyDusted said:
I didn't come across anything on Jason leaving the cult BUT I did come across an article that he has been fired from Chicago PD.for sexual harassment.
WOW. Every mother fucking day....
Link? I couldn't find an article about this, but did find many about how he has gone under anger management therapy for the way he has acted on set. Reportedly, his issues are the reason Sophia Bush left Chicago PD. Couldn't find anything that he'd actually been let go.
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4 hours ago, Whimsy said:
This part from the article infuriates me:
I get that not everyone knows their tactics so I don't know if I can blame the police but it still boils my blood that they just lie, lie, lie about everything. It's ok for this piece of shit to rape people because he gives them money???
Ticks me off too. Really? You are going to accept these signed affidavits from Scamatology known for lying to get its way? Scamatology must really have the LAPD in its back pocket.
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1 hour ago, toodles said:
I saw a commercial for L. Ron Hubbard today. Not CO$, but LRH. The gist is that he is the best person ever. It was on the Cooking Channel. They said to go to L. Ron Hubbard. com. There is no way I'm going to that site.
I think Aftermath is cutting CO$ to the core.
I went to it using incognito mode in my browser. It's all about how great a man LRH was and how he helped so many people through his research and technology. Its been in existence since 1995, around the time Scamatology was battling alt.religion.scientology on Usenet and the online publication and distribution of the OTIII level. It's clear on the site that it has been put together by Scamatology.
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Disappointed in this episode. Was hoping to hear more from Mike and Leah and instead got a "greatest clips" show. Maybe they should have done a panel AMA and brought in the Headleys, John Brocheur, Amy Scobee or any of the high profile Scientologists they've had on the past two seasons and expanded out to two hours.
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I remember reading Bare Faced Messiah back in the mid 90s when I first encountered Scamatology. There was an article in Wired magazine back then about how Scamatology was attempting to take on the Internet, particularly the Usenet group alt.religion.scientology and then attempting to suppress the OTIII materials that were made public as part of the Fishman Affidavit in the trial of Church of Scientology International v. Fishman and Geertz. This led me to the Usenet group and from there I went down the rabbit hole.
Lots have been asking about Hubbard's appearance and how people could be attracted to him. In both Bare Faced Messiah and Going Clear, it is noted that Hubbard had a huge amount of charisma and naturally attracted people to him and was quite the ladies man in his youth. Maybe he was somewhat attractive when he was a younger man, but we don't have many pictures/video of him.
I strongly believe he was a psychopath, and so is Miss Cabbage. Here is a quick read from a psychologist on how to identify a psychopath and differentiate that individual from a sociopath. Hubbard and Miss Cabbage fit the psychopath profile to a "T". Here is a sentence from that link that jumped out at me:
QuoteYou’d be a first-rate cult leader, corporate raider, or dictator.
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US Weekly’s cover story this week is about Leah and her quest to take down Scamatology.
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Looked at my DVR. Tomorrow is Propaganda Arms at 8 eastern (7 central). Tuesday is The Life and Lies of L. Ron Hubbard at the normal time, with an extra chat right before. The following Tuesday is the ask me anything ep. about season 2 at 8 eastern (7 central).
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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:
Hmm.....okay. With that kind of setup with employees, labor traded for compensation, such as room and board, classes, etc., it would seem to me that there would be some people getting jammed up with the IRS and Federal Wage and Labor. I suppose they have their tax people working on it, but, still. Even though they are technically, a church and get tax exemption, they are also employers for a lot of people. It sounds like a huge, nasty can of worms, that no one has bothered with though.
I believe they get around this by referring to Sea Org members as the church's clergy. Here is the page at the IRS website that discusses how clergy wages and income are treated.
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9 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:
So, when we hear them describe members of Sea Org, they say they work all the time. What are they working on? I mean, what would those people being doing all day and most of the night? I'm trying to figure out if these Sea Org members are mopping floors, doing laundry for other members, doing the accounting for the COS, cooking, doing missionary work abroad? Just trying to wrap my brain around it. If the Sea Org members just study and maintain the property, how does that bring in money?
When Leah was in Sea Org, she worked at the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater doing housekeeping. Fort Harrison is the hotel Scamatologists stay at when visiting Clearwater to do their higher OT levels at Flag (the so-called Super Power Building, which is attached to the hotel). Sea Org has to keep the hotel in tip-top shape so that visiting Scamatologists (non-Sea Org) are comfortable in parting with their money. /sarc
Pretty much, Sea Org does the upkeep and maintenance on Scamatology's properties and they get paid $50 a week, plus the "free" courses and auditing, for the privilege.
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4 hours ago, Gregg247 said:
Now that I think about it, it seems like the worst stories we hear about on the show involve the Sea Org, their "premier" organization. These people live under terrible conditions. Is there some kind of financial separation, where less-affluent people are encouraged to join the Sea Org and basically become servants in exchange for discounted Scientology courses? I don't remember hearing anything about this on the show, but there does seem to be a difference in experiences based on income.
It always surprises me to remember that, unlike other cults, Scientologists live among the rest of us instead of being holed up in a private compound somewhere. Somehow, they live their lives alongside the rest of us, but the brainwashing is so strong, they see the world around us completely differently.
They do prey on the poor and less affluent. It's just when it comes time to discuss taking and paying for courses, if the mark is truly destitute or near destitution, then Scamatology says "Hey, we've got this thing called the Sea Org. If you join, you get all your courses and auditing for free! What a bargain!"
However, if the person leaves Sea Org, they are presented with a freeloaders bill, where the church bills them for all the "free" courses and auditing they did while they were in Sea Org.
As for being holed up in a private compound, Sea Org is holed up in private compounds. I would guess that most of the membership, outside of the celebrities, are Sea Org and there are very few members that actually live among the general population. I've read that the ones who do live in the general population usually have Scientology issued computers and devices that either have Internet access disabled or the computers/devices are filtered to exclude anything that is anti-Scamatology.
That is, unless you are Miss Cabbage and give your dad a Kindle and forget to disable the Internet on the device and he uses it to access the Internet and find out all the crap the cult pulls.
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5 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:
Are the leaders of the COS so naive to think those sites actually hurt those people? I recall that attorney that the COS hired and allowed to appear in a major network interview a year or so ago. She did a TERRIBLE job and was not believable at all. They must have very poor judgment in what is credible.
It's all spelled out in policy left by LRH - you never defend, you always attack. You must utterly destroy the "enemies" of the church. According to fair game, anything goes, even lying and making up stuff about the enemies of Scamatology.
That's what makes these attack sites so laughable. They are so over the top in their condemnation that they aren't believable.
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2 hours ago, Jaded said:
Anyone else with U-verse having trouble with their DVRs not picking up new episodes all the time? It's driving me crazy.
I have Uverse and haven't had an issue. Even been grabbing the "First Looks" and "Extra Chats".
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1 hour ago, WInterfalls said:
Yesterday's Huffpo piece on the delay is gaining traction and will hopefully lead to a decision one way or another.
It was briefly the top story on the Yahoo! landing page this morning. Disappeared just as quickly. Have a feeling Scamatology operatives are playing whack-a-mole with the story trying to get it suppressed wherever it pops up.
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1 hour ago, CaughtOnTape said:
It's amazing to me just how many people there are who allow this type of thing to happen to them. In this vein, I agree with that Scientology principle to a point. Someone tells me I need to pay $100k for some hokey class and a book and I'm going to tell you to get fucked. But I grew up with parents who allowed me to think freely and make my own choices. I suppose if you're raised hearing this sham all your life you think the shit actually works. Whereas I'm over here watching this going....this dude gave HOW MUCH money? HELL NO!
I think what they do is like that tale about putting a frog into water and gradually bringing it up to a boil. Frog doesn't know until too late that it is being cooked.
Same thing with Scamatology. They don't hit you upfront for $100k. It's a $100 course here, a $50 course there, then a $500 membership, then a $1,000 package of books and pretty soon you are into it for significant money. A lot of people, who don't want to feel like they threw their money away, will just keep going. It must be something about human nature because that's how Ponzi schemes and multi-level marketing scams hook people in, too.
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1 hour ago, funky-rat said:
I had zero interest in Handmaid's Tale, or Mad Men (I do remember Elizabeth Moss from Girl Interrupted). And I was never a huge fan of Travolta, or Tom Cruise. Thankfully, his part in "The Outsiders" isn't that big, because I can't quit that movie (or book). Ever. You can bury me with it, lol.
If it makes it any easier to justify, he did The Outsiders (1983) before he met Mimi Rodgers (1985), who got him into Scamatology, so that film is pre-Scamatology.
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Here's a recent article from the Palm Beach Post regarding the Garcia case.
Relevant graph regarding the arbitration:
QuoteAside from the constitutional reason, Whittemore said the Garcias were fully aware that any dispute they had with the church would be decided by Scientologists. During the nearly 30 years they were church members, Luis Garcia signed more than 40 documents in which he agreed that any dispute would be decided “solely and exclusively through Scientology’s Internal Ethics, Justice and binding religious arbitration procedures.” [ed. emphasis mine]
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1 hour ago, Carolina Girl said:
For a non-legal civilian, that's a pretty darn good take. The only problem is that I did not catch whether the arbitration was binding or non-binding arbitration. If it's the former, and the judge let it go through under the premise described, Garcia is screwed. Do we know?
Thanks, one of my good friends from high school is a lawyer and he frequently presents cases to me to get my take on whatever the issues are, putting me in the role of "prospective jury member". He also explains "lawyer logic" to me as he says it can be different than everyday civilian logic.
Scamatology would really not want any case to go to trial. That's how the OTIII level and Xenu story got out. It was read into the trial record for the Fishman and Geertz case. IIRC, Scamatology tried to block it by claiming "trade secrets" but the judge in the case overruled and allowed the information to be in the public record of the trial. This was around the dawn of the world wide web, and the information quickly spread.-
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33 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:
Arbitration is supposed to be impartial. Judge Wittemore ought to be ashamed of himself. He could and should have ruled that the rules for the Scientology arbitration were completely biased. If you had a case involving a dispute with your insurance company, and your policy had an arbitration clause, I can't think of any Judge worth his salt who would have approved of an arbitration policy that stated "the arbitrators in this matter will be selected from a list of managers from the Insurance Company."
Hopefully. he can appeal whatever ruling this biased body produces. This isn't justice.
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but I think Judge Wittemore probably allowed the arbitration hearing to occur so that any ruling at trial wouldn't be overturned on appeal. So, he put the lawsuit on hold, allowed Scamatology to have its phony-baloney arbitration hearing, and now the Garcia's lawsuit will hopefully be reinstated and allowed to go through.
The Scamatology playbook has been to delay, delay, delay and delay some more until they cannot delay anymore, then quickly settle so that a trial, and all the wonderful depositions and discovery that comes with a trial, doesn't see the light of day. I am so hoping the Garcia's don't settle and aren't persuaded to accept a settlement offer.-
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A round-table discussion examines the contracts that all Scientologists must follow, and how these contracts often lock members into financial burdens that can lead to hardship and ruin.
Hope I'm not stepping on any toes by starting this.
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Hollywood studios yanking turkeys out of theatres sooner.
relevant part concerning Tommy's movie:
QuoteUniversal is pulling Tom Cruise’s “American Made” from 539 locations after a month in release. The Doug Liman directed thriller has made just $43 million. Good reviews haven’t helped push Cruise fans to theaters. One problem was lack of promotion since Cruise wasn’t available. Also, audiences may have just soured on him after “The Mummy” and other flops. With both studios, it wasn’t for lack of trying.
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I bet a lot of these questions would be answered if we could see what was left on the cutting room floor. I would guess these interviews are a lot longer but get edited down to fit whatever allotted time they have to showcase that person and their story.
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Nathan recorded a video responding to the Scamatology smear site they put up about him and Tara. Linky.
High Profile Scientologists: Tom, Travolta, and More!
in Leah Remini: Scientology And The Aftermath
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