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1 hour ago, MoreCoffeePlease said:
I think they also sound alike.
I know most people hate Delilah ... I just sort of ignore her. Regina is the one who really bugged me this episode. I get why she is upset, but her pouting drives me nuts.
I like Regina...but...I found her frustrating here. I get why she's upset, but I have no interest in watching her pout when she had several opportunities to actually stand up for herself.
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5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:
I wonder if the reason the show's premier got the second banana/spring lineup position was in large part due to this confusing mishmash of real and fictional spy agency jurisdictions?
Mmm, I don't think so. This was the first show that ABC picked up from a pilot and, as it films in Europe, I'm guessing it is an expensive one. I think that they wanted to give their two top new shows (this and AMLT) an equal shot.
For the record, I think this one has a better chance.
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1 hour ago, debraran said:
It is not written well but it could be. He has the talent. It's almost like he's on speed with twitter and other social media (glad I'm not on that) and going in overdrive with clues and pics and tweets. He's like a little kid or has ADHD. : )
2In other simple ways to improve this show...get Nash off social media. If he spent half the time on the show that he spends "dropping hints," explaining things, etc, there would be a marked improvement. And I get that shows needs to drum up some speculation to keep things interesting, but he's way beyond that point. Also, other shows have a media-savvy intern do it. I was going through IG and I saw a post from the show's official site and they were liking and replying to everyone "OMG this show changed my life" sort of post and I have never seen any show do that (I generally follow all the shows that I watch). It's just...bizarre.
And, generally, I have a real pet peeve when showrunners feel they need to explain their shows. Years ago, Shonda Rhimes used to do this on her blog (thankfully, she stopped after a couple of years). People are not stupid and if you need to explain your show to them, then you have a problem with your show.
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1 minute ago, debraran said:
That’s true but knowing Nash he’ll throw in something else . Again I’m a broken record but tv or not , there are so many holes. There was no reason to hide this and I feel awful if he carried that weight secretly. Delilah really had to ask no questions at all about his past.
Argh! This is my huge problem here.
I read...a lot. Because of this, I have a really low tolerance for sloppy writing, continuity errors, or overly-contrived plots. These things just don't happen in (non-self published) books. Writers are carefully about this and, if something gets by them, there are editors to check it. Books with these problems just aren't published. Then, I watch TV and all I see are these problems that are nearly non-existent in even "bad" published books.
AMLT is not the worst, but it is bad. To make it worse, it is bad in the first season. If Nash can't come up with an original, cohesive plot in the first season, what is season 2 or 3 or whatever going to look like?
I agree...we will most likely see the same, tired 9/11 plot with some TWIST like Jon was a sperm donor for "Emma's" baby or some stupid crap like that.
I honestly think this show would be much, much better had we not had this stupid "mystery."
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So, my guess (if they are going this way, which...yawn)...Jon met Delilah and didn't get on the plane which was heading to the WTC. Someone else got on the plane in his place (or, he was traveling with someone and they went on without him) and perished. That person was married to the Drea de Matteo character, whoever she may be, which is how that all works.
And, let me add, that I've read at least 3 books with almost this exact plot.
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2 minutes ago, Gummo said:
I wonder if it's going to turn out that Georgie actually married Veronica?
If he did, the marriage didn't last. He was single when we saw him in TBBT (and didn't they say that he had gone to jail at some point, or was that Penny's family...or was it both?)
Honestly, I'd like to see Georgie and Veronica just...be friends. We haven't seen Georgie have any friends. Although we don't see them, we know that Missy has quite a few friends and even Sheldon has Tam. But Georgie seems to be a complete loner, which is kind of strange when you think that Sheldon is the one who is sort of portrayed to be the loner.
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4 hours ago, Crs97 said:
I just requested Once Upon a River from the library so am happy to hear you’re enjoying it. I loved The Thirteenth Tale, but her second novel was quite the sophomore slump.
I need to buy Once Upon a River as the waitlist is quite long at my library and, from what I've heard, it might be keeper-shelf quality. The Thirteenth Tale is my favorite modern novel, but I heard such bad things about Bellman and Black (I think that was the title?) that I never even tried it. However, everything I've heard out this newest novel is that it is as good as her first but very different.
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1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:
I think any surgery is scary, even if it's just routine. In this case, there was the worry about the doctors finding more cancer (as Maggie's mom mentioned in this episode, it had happened before). And, for Gary, he can relate to this more than anyone else, so it's scary for him on more than a "I can lose my new girlfriend" level.
Also...TV shows are always overdramatic. I guess because, if they're not overdramatic, then they're too boring?
If they go this route, I honestly might be done. I mean, I had nosebleeds all the time as a kid, right around Theo's age. I also had some form of night terrors (not as bad as him, but enough where I'd wake up screaming). And nothing was actually wrong with me; both symptoms eventually went away by the time I was 12.
I am not here for Theo being the third character to have cancer AND for Katherine to eventually have to THANK Delilah for her kid with her ex husband saving her son. Fuck that shit.
I actually didn't have a problem with Gary being overdramatic about the surgery. That guy is *always* over-dramatic, it just is who he is. I had a harder time understanding why Eddie and Rome were there, then I remembered that none of these people can do a damn thing on their own without their friends there to hold their hands.
Yeah, if Theo's nosebleeds equal something more and if we have to watch the world down on their knees thanking Delilah, I am (probably) out too. For one thing, I've already fallen for the "your child will die from a nosebleed!" myth in real life and that TV needs to stop with shit like that. Secondly, there is only so much cancer a show can take, and this show is already over that line. Third, I just want Delilah out of Katherine's (and Theo's...and Eddie's) life. I'm still pissed that the show seems to be trying to gaslight the audience with her and the last thing I need is for her to be front and center AGAIN.
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10 hours ago, shapeshifter said:
I had an even bigger problem understanding how a CIA agent and a Fibbie would be part of the same team. Different jurisdictions, no?
Anyway, I liked its fluffiness, and yes, the opening scene of crying breakup private karaoke, plus Tyler James Williams/Edgar Standish kind of single handedly saved a lot of scenes, and Vir Das/Jai has great screen presence.
Kind of a palate cleanser after the finale of the dark True Detective.
Reminds me of White Collar and Chuck, both of which I managed to watch 3 seasons of.
At least it didn't have pilot-itis.
2I'm with you with the fluffiness and palate cleansing virtues of this show. I'm someone who can really go far (too far, I know) into the weeds on shows and this one is corny enough that it turns off that part of my brains, but also not so corny that I lose interest. It is, for me, the perfect mindless entertainment.
I watched this again last night with my husband and enjoyed it just as much as the first time I watched it--and he quite liked it too. It's not without its faults, but there are plenty of other shows that I can nitpick. With this one, I'm practicing my "don't think about it too hard" muscle.
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At some point, something has to happen to shift the dynamics between Mary and Sheldon. In YS, she is almost bullied by her son but, in TBBT, she's the one who calls the shots and who Sheldon doesn't cross. It could be this happens with the blow-up of the marriage and/or George's death, but I would like to see how it plays out (even if I'm dreading the end of the marriage and George's death).
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While there were parts of this that made me laugh, and I'm interested to see where the Georgie and Veronica story is going, most of it left a sort of a bad taste in my mouth. I agree that communism did not have the same taboo in 1990 that it did 30-40 years earlier, but to me the problem is that the whole story was built on a stereotype of Texas that I suspect was somewhere between overblown and fictional. That sort of humor just doesn't work with me.
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16 minutes ago, tanita said:
It was a decent pilot, but the ending was rushed as hell - we needed to see them become a team officially. And I think they made a mistake of making Gigi just a cheater. I would have integrated her as fellow spy, or one working for another nation using Will. it would have created more tension and drama later, she would gate in-between the two of them, etc... Chuck really did it perfectly. As for the leads, they had sufficient chemistry.
1I think that would have bothered me more if I thought we would see her again. I think she was just used to set up the premise and we won't be seeing her again as she no longer serves any purpose to the plot.
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I was glad to see that Hulu had this on this morning--I was afraid I was going to have to wait until Thursday to see it.
This was...pretty enjoyable! I mean, I don't understand why 3 branches of the US Intelligence system work against each other, but I also realize that it is the whole basis for this show, so I just won't think about that.
I've been curious about this one because Scott Foley's wife, who I despised on Grey's, has an actually pretty entertaining IG account and has been posting a lot about their time in Prague filming this, and
Spoilershe'll be joining the show later in the season.
So, my build up for this show was more than I would normally have, which is usually a bad sign, but actually worked out in this case. I mean, it's not a show where I'd parse every minute detail of the plot and the characters, but it is a fun way to pass 44 minutes each week.
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4 hours ago, debraran said:
I agree, re Maggie moving in too soon, but Gary wants to take care of her. It will be crowded and maybe force Eddie to move out. It will also make it easier to eavesdrop on conversations. I feel the show has gone from Maggie who was trained in counseling, going from "I don't want to live, I hate chemo" to having her cancer progress, fainting, bruises (?) and then Gary making her care. Somehow if this weren't on TV, there are so many problems here. Gary is a lot of fans "knight in shining armor" but Maggie should be able to love herself enough to want to live, to not want to hurt her mother and father more, but it is a soap. (I'm getting that cemented now that Nash and Alision Miller called it that)
I actually didn't have a problem (past tense) with Maggie and Gary moving in together, beyond the fact that Eddie was still sleeping on the couch. If Eddie did sell his song and it was recorded by that other guy AND it is getting airplay to the point that it is playing at the Aquarium, he has enough money to pay rent on a decent, if not swanky, one or two-bedroom apartment somewhere. He needs to grow the fuck up (especially if he wants Katherine back...) and he's not going to do that on Gary's couch.
Then I read your post and now I don't want Maggie and Gary to move in together. You reminded me that there is actually a lot wrong with that relationship. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be together (I honestly don't care enough about that story to have an opinion either way), but where they are now is actually not a strong foundation for a healthy relationship.
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As I was finally watching this episode (tonight...Sunday night) I realized...I'm not entirely sure why I'm still watching this. Okay, I know why--David Giuntoli and I made that stupid 1.5 seasons +1 episode commitment before ever seeing the first episode (believe it or not, I sometimes run my mouth...). When this show first started, I would get up early on (then) Thursday morning to watch it on Hulu. Now I sort of have to force myself to watch it.
The truth is there is only one character in this show that I find compelling and that is Katherine. I want all the good things for her, but I also know that she will just get repeatedly shit upon, and that makes me mad. I don't actually care that much about Maggie and Gary, I want to care a hell of a lot more about Rome and Regina than the show has given me a reason to, I cannot care less about the Barbara Morgan mystery, and we all know what I feel about Delilah.
But, as for this episode, I...thought it would be better. I mean, there were things about it that were good. The Katherine and Eddie story was very well-performed, if not always well-written. Oh, and hey--look at that! Who is that who is supportive of Eddie? KATHERINE! For all Eddie's whining about no one believing in him, we sure see Katherine being pretty damn supportive (and, weirdly, Gary...) We got a little more of an insight into Gary, which probably should have come out earlier but I guess better late than never.
I will sing the praises on one point: the casting of Melora Hardin was genius. Not only does she look like an older Allison Miller, but she (as Maggie's mom) has the same mannerisms as Maggie. At times, it was almost spooky watching her and how similar she was to Maggie.
My biggest problem with this episode is that the writing was so damn heavy-handed. Look! GARY'S HAT IS JUST LIKE MAGGIE'S MOTHER'S ROSARY! Look! WHEN KATHERINE SAID THAT SHE STILL LOVED THEO WHEN THEY DIDN'T GET ALONG SHE WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT EDDIE! Geez! I *get* it! Loud and clear! No need for the bullhorn!
As for Theo, I was actually happy to see him show his bratty side. My son is Theo's age and that was much more along the lines of "normal" behavior for kids his age, although the scene, once they got home, was badly written, the actor playing Theo (and Grace Park) did the best they could with it. I do hope that the nosebleed is nothing more than a nosebleed, though. A few months ago, my daughter started having nosebleeds and, as I have seen TV before and nosebleeds in kids, of course, equal cancer or something just as dire, I freaked out and got her to the doctor. Our doctor was great about talking me down--yes, sometimes nosebleeds can be symptomatic of something else--but usually, they are just nosebleeds. And, yes, she checked my daughter out and she is just fine. And, yes, I did get the mini-lecture that TV has a bad habit of making tiny little things into mountains.
But, damn, David Giuntoli and Grace Park work well together! I'm pretty sure at this point that Eddie and Katherine is endgame--which I'm okay with, as long as it actually is endgame. By that, I mean that they do the things they need to do to heal on their own and then remake their relationship on firmer ground (and, you know, have Eddie tell the freakin' truth--as he knows it--about the baby). I would actually like to see them go through with the divorce, have Eddie really understand why he cheated on her and then to actually stand up to Delilah about it (I would also really like to see Regina finally stand up to Delilah and not back down from it), and have Katherine realize that while she is not perfect, she is also not responsible for Eddie's actions.
Other random brain droppings as I was watching:
- As much as Gary's temper tantrum made me roll my eyes, if I saw that scene right, Maggie's mom did actually breach parking lot etiquette in parking there. Weren't the parking spots slanted in a way that she was going to the wrong way to park there?
- Dear Theo--taking the recycling out is a *chore,* not a consequence.
- I'm really bothered by Maggie's eyebrows. I mean, they aren't bad eyebrows...but they are still there. Shouldn't she have lost them in chemo? And, yes, I remember that Gary didn't lose his beard in chemo, but that was so absurd that I was okay with it (and he lost his eyebrows). Does that make any sense?
- I cringed seeing Regina's angry chopping. No self-respecting chef (or even home cook) who still has 10 fingers would cut carrots like that.
- So, Maggie is moving in with Gary..which is all fine and good, but isn't Eddie still sleeping on Gary's couch? Isn't it going to be a little crowded in that apartment?
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9 hours ago, Fable said:
My problem with Delilah is that is both unlikable and boring. The actor doesn’t seem as strong as the rest of the cast, which, if the character was likable, would probably be tolerable. Conversely, even if the character was unlikable, if the actor was able to elevate the writing to make her more interesting, that might also be okay. As it stands, I find her neither likable nor interesting, and so for me, she is a blight on the show.
I agree. There is something to be said for being someone people love to hate. Delilah is not written in a way that she is likable and Szostak doesn't play her in a way that at least elevates the character to "love to hate." I think a better actress could at least do SOMETHING with her.
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So the dictionary definition of "soap opera" is:
Quotea radio or television series depicting the interconnected lives of many characters often in a sentimental, melodramatic way.
By that definition, *every* drama on TV is a soap opera.
However, I do think there are 2 shades here that are important, which I think Nash would be wise to keep in mind:
1 - Soap operas are ongoing. There really is no *one* main theme or storyline and there is never an endgame. By this shade, shows such as This is Us are not soap operas. TIU does have an endgame (or so I've been told) and it is working towards a certain point. AMLT...does not. At least not at this point. So, still a soap. I firmly believe that Nash not only has no end point in mind but hasn't even figured out what he's doing next season yet, beyond the first few episodes.
2 - Soap operas are emotionally manipulative. So, put TIU back in the soap category--along with AMLT. These are shows that strive more for an emotional reaction from an audience than actual storytelling. Personally, I despise this (but apparently not enough to turn DG off my screen).
So, Nash may just shrug his shoulders at the term "soap opera," but I think he really should take more care there.
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11 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:
I'd actually do anything for Delilah to have lied to Eddie about this. I would honestly love this show if they changed courses like this, because this baby stuff actually sucks the life out of anything Eddie-related. It's not even an entertaining secret; it's just super depressing once it comes out and ruins any semblance of Eddie/Katherine fixing even a tiny smidge of their relationship. The worst part is knowing the secret's coming out (looking more like next season now) and it'll be smack dab in the middle of Eddie/Katherine mending at least part of their relationship. Just rip off the Band-Aid in the finale, show. Please, I'm actually begging to get that secret out in the open sooner rather than later.
You know the twist I would like to see? The baby turns out not to be Eddie's...or Jon's.
Okay, that is a bit tongue-in-cheek, I admit. My problem is that this baby plot is so fucking ridiculous that whatever happens will be contrived. It also has sort of been just...there since it started. Not, of course, that I want it front and center, but it just seems like a really, really, really stupid plot decision to make, but if you are going to make it, you should at least do something with it.
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1 hour ago, seacliffsal said:
I've been thinking about Delilah's call to Eddie during which she told him to give Katherine her regards (no, I DO have a life-I promise!). I think that Delilah did this not only to remind Eddie that he needs to be there for her (Delilah [car seat]), but also to rub some salt in the wound of Eddie and Katherine's relationship by inserting herself into their discussion/lives via the reminder that she and Eddie have a relationship whether currently intimate or not. It also reminds Katherine that she is basically nothing to Delilah even after saving her financial well being. Yes, you saved my family's wealth, but you're not worth my time in calling you after your accident... But, I call your estranged husband whenever I feel like it...
I completely agree with this and I will take it one step farther. I don't believe that Delilah has any desire to have Eddie back, but she wants to make sure that Eddie is pining for her.
You're right that Katherine means nothing to her--if Katherine had meant anything to her 9-12 months earlier, she wouldn't have slept with Katherine's husband. Now that Katherine has cleaned up Delilah's financial mess, she's no longer of any use to Delilah. With Delilah, it is always about what the other person will do for HER. Gary will lasso the freaking moon for her and Rome and Regina are always there for her, so they stay in her good graces. But as soon as soon as they cross her, they're out--Regina had the audacity to get mad at Delilah because Delilah cheated on her now-dead husband and it wasn't until Regina apologized for being angry that she was allowed back into Delilah's life.
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5 hours ago, debraran said:
Yes, that is true, the poor baby doesn't have a chance. lol With this baby, it don't see anyone caring about it. The sex is a yawn, what does it matter, it will be an occasional prop if it is born but like a puppy,not used often. (I would like more of Gary's dog though)
2I actually think we get more of Colin than we do of Sophie or Danny (not that I'm complaining, I'm always up for cute dogs.)
But, yeah, this show has three kids and only one is used as more than a prop. At least there is a reason when Theo is off-screen. I guess Sophie and Danny just cease to exist when Delilah doesn't think about them--which is probably accurate in Delilah's mind. So, this baby will just be one more thing to be forgotten about.
However, if a show can't effectively use the kids that it has (think Parenthood which did this well), it has no business adding in babies.
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2 hours ago, Nancybeth said:
Does Katherine really believe that Delilah and John -- who had a strained marriage in which at least one partner was cheating and two kids that were into their tween/teen years -- just up and decided to have another baby? Or that after all that time their birth control failed? That's what I can't figure out. Nothing about this couple's situation up until the moment John died screams, "Yes, we totally want another kid!" I assume everyone knows it's Eddie's baby but are just kind of looking the other way and letting her get away with saying that it's John's.
This is an example of really, really, really bad story crafting on Nash's part.
Realistically, logically, believably, everyone should be questioning the paternity of that baby. I mean, everyone is old enough to know basic arithmetic and they knew when Eddie and Delilah were having their affair and how far along Delilah is--that should be enough to put everything into question. As far as most of them were concerned, Jon and Delilah seemed to have the perfect marriage--the only person who knew that it wasn't at the time was Eddie--so they wouldn't be off their rockers to assume that Delilah was sleeping with two men.
But, no...Delilah says one thing--actually, she says two conflicting things--and everyone believes her. As has been hashed out ad nauseum in earlier threads, this pregnancy didn't just happen. Delilah had to make a conscious choice for it to happen, which doesn't fit with the story at all...but the viewers are not supposed to question that. Just like we aren't supposed to question why no one suspects Eddie might be the father. And that is a real shortcoming by Nash.
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33 minutes ago, Dani said:
Katherine is in the promo for The Rosary. She is crying and Eddie tells her she is amazing. Plus Hunter is in the last episode so Katherine should be in it.
I think so too. Most likely Park is the highest paid of the actresses and probably higher paid than some of the actors. It’s no coincidence that Katherine is the best developed of the women.
I wonder if the mystery next season will involve Katherine in some way. I just hope it’s not another mystery centered around Delilah.
I also have a suspicion that, originally, Katherine was supposed to be the closest thing to a "big bad" this show has, which was meant to garner sympathy for Eddie and Delilah (Nash even said in an interview that Katherine had to take a hit in the pilot so that Eddie wouldn't look so bad). Then, Park comes on board and her clout sort of requires a larger role...and then SHE is a fan favorite and people are not fond of the Eddie/Delilah pairing..and things start to change course. As this is a network show, the network will want Nash to serve up what people want to see and if people were never gunning for Eddie and Delilah and are now gunning for Eddie and Katherine, well...
On a bit of a tangent, this is why I watch so few network dramas. The constant change of directions that many showrunners feel obligated to do really hurts things. In streaming, *generally* the season is completely filmed when it airs, so the shows feel far more cohesive. Plus they can drop f-bombs and one should never underestimate the power of a well-placed f-bomb.
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4 hours ago, pinkglove said:
It may be bad writing but not necessarily. If they did intend for Delilah to be narcissistic, they did a decent job. I know people almost exactly like her, both men and women. (It's even kind of believable that people are drawn to her, meaning men and just about anyone else who's always ready to rush to her rescue... that happens, too, with this personality type, according to my experience.)
I would be thrilled if the intent was always for Delilah to rate high on the narcissism scale! I've been very uncomfortable with how this show seems to want us to sympathize with her but then makes her so unlikable. If that was always the intent, which would surprise me because I don't have that much faith in Nash's storytelling right now (for several reasons), I will have a newfound appreciation for this show.
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2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:
I think Eddie hasn't gotten off easy....at least as much as Delilah has. Delilah's gotten basically no blowback. She got ignored by Regina for less than a full episode and Regina never got to cuss her out. With Eddie, at least they're showing that Katherine's still pissed and hurt by his betrayal, which is way more than Delilah's getting. She gets to still joke around with Gary and call her friends whenever she needs them! But yeah, Eddie is still getting off easier than he should. They also skipped ahead a bunch of months, so that doesn't help (I think they confirmed this past episode that it's been six or seven months since Jon died? Unsure about this part, but it's been at least five months now).
And then Regina apologized to *her* for being mad at her.
2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:Realistically, there'd be no chance of reconciliation with Eddie and Katherine. The only way they could reconcile....way down the road (like, at least a couple of years) is if Delilah talks to Katherine and takes the full blame for the lie, but even then, Eddie did participate and I also don't see Delilah being selfless enough to try to help mend Eddie/Katherine's marriage, even when there's no real chance if she gets involved, and even if Eddie said that he wanted Katherine back and didn't want Delilah anymore. So it would also require a lot of begging, pleading and changed behaviour from Eddie.
So yeah, there's no way this would ever really work in real life. But with this being a television show, they can do whatever the hell they want. Plus, I REALLY loathe Delilah/Eddie so any chance of them never ever getting together works with me, at this point. My biggest fear is that they bring Eddie/Delilah together and they become a couple. That would actually get me to quit this show for good.
1Well, realistically there would be no chance of Katherine going to dinner at Delilah's only days after learning about the affair, going to Delilah's restaurant's menu tasting, helping Delilah (FOR FREE) with her financial troubles...
I think I'm with you...I'm out if Eddie and Delilah become a thing. It wouldn't be the first time I've left a show because they've but DG's character in an odious pairing...
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A Million Little Things In The Media
in A Million Little Things
The official show social media account has said that Allison Miller and "legendary showrunner" DJ Nash are live tweeting tonight.
Yes, that is the term they used--LEGENDARY SHOWRUNNER. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the guy who has never had a show go past the 2nd season? When I think of legendary showrunners/creators, I think of Chuck Lorre or Aaron Sorkin or Shonda Rhimes. Not D.J. Nash.
The hubris here is astounding.