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I’m not making excuses for Jennifer or passing blame for her behavior. I’ve already stated that I thought she behaved badly. What I was stating was what I saw transpire at that dinner and how she became as inebriated as she did. I’m not really clear what happened with the glass and who threw what - it was at the very end of the episode, so hopefully there will be more clarity next week. I definitely do not think she had an axe to grind with Marge at the dinnner. I think both women were as ok as they were going to be at that stage. And, wasn’t Marge even surprised that Jennifer invited her to the Anniversary party? There was, in fact, no issue with Marge, who left. Whatever transpires into next week is between Jennifer, Melissa, and looks like Dolores.

I haven’t rewatched the episode either, but if my memory recalls, it was more Teresa encouraging her to drink & even giving Jennifer her own shot. I definitely don’t get the impression you are branding her an alcoholic - you have chosen you’re words carefully :) From what I’ve observed from Jennifer in those situations I think she has no filter when she drinks and can be triggered very easily. I don’t see her as someone who becomes belligerent as soon as she drinks. The difference for me is environment. Surrounded by family and friends, people who care for her it’s probably not an issue because those buttons aren’t pushed or escalated. She’s in an environment now where that will be exploited to her detriment. These women are not her friends. Bravo loves this sort of bad behavior. I’d be more interested to see if her behavior changes next season - if she gets a little more savvy in these situations.

I see what you are saying. I have a different opinion because I don’t think drinking is actually a huge part of her lifestyle from what we’ve seen. She’s done these quick girl’s trips for the show, but for the majority she’s a stay at home mom. There were other social drinking situations during the season where she was perfectly fine - in Turkey with her family, the communion party, and she abstained at Milania’s party because she was with her kids. I get the sense that she feels she can let loose a little away with the girls. Unfortunately, she can’t handle the tequila. And these women are not her friends. Nor is Bravo, for that matter. Also, in her defense, Teresa was encouraging her to drink at the dinner. For all we know, Bravo could’ve directed T to do that knowing how Jennifer gets when she drinks - to them, it’s good tv. And she was actually just fine until Danielle started. I don’t think she sat down at the dinner table looking for trouble. It all went downhill with Danielle.

I don’t think Jennifer has a drinking problem, she’s just a nasty drunk, which she’s owned up to. I have no idea why Teresa thought it was a good idea to ply her with tequila at the dinner. Jennifer was giving me drunken Dorinda NYC flashbacks last night-another nasty drunk. I think this Cabo trip has earned her her spot for next season. Jackie has faded for me since making peace with Teresa. Please, for the love of everything that is holy, don’t make the eating disorder your bid for relevance. Marge strikes me as the type of person who if she likes you, loves you, but woe to you if she doesn’t. She’s as nasty, mean, and cruel as the rest of them. To say this or that is off limits has absolutely zero meaning when sinking to the dregs like she, Jennifer, and Danielle were doing during those arguments. I don’t feel bad for any of them. I agree that Teresa is overly sticking by Danielle due to guilt for past behavior.

I lay this all at Joe Gorga’s feet. He could very easily and simply diffuse this whole situation by clearly communicating with his father, i.e. “I’m super busy the next few weeks at work. I promise to try to keep in touch as best I can, but if you don’t hear from me a few days, it’s only that I’m working. I’ll make it up to you when things slow down.” Instead, he doubles down on his crappy behavior. He’s clearly not communicating with his father or Teresa. They see him as MIA and they feel his absence. You would think the way Joe and Melissa are carrying on with the fact that the dad is missing Joe and wanting to spend time with him was the worst thing ever (!!) lol. Isn’t that what he’s been selling us he’s wanted all these years? A better relationship with his father? Joe and Melissa going on like a 5 minute phone call is somehow tearing him away from work and family priorities is ridiculous. It’s rather pitiful, actually, to see Nonno practically begging Joe for attention. I also notice both Melissa and Joe contradicting themselves this episode. On the one hand, he’s too busy working to spend time with his father, but then on the other hand, he is spending time with his father. Which is it? We’ve seen the father complaining on camera. We’ve seen him complaining to Joe & Melissa directly. Both Teresa and Gia seem annoyed and over it. Just not buying into this being Teresa “filling the dad’s ear.” How does that benefit her in any way when she’s the one stuck hearing the dad grouse all day? Joe was filmed with the kids last night making dinner - why not have the dad over then too? His excuses are lame. Joe is the baby in the family - the boy child in a traditional Italian family. His mother and Teresa treated him like the Baby Jesus. He’s still in that pattern as an adult where everything is centric to him and catered around his needs, his wants, his feelings. He does not give an inch. He squarely puts Melissa in the middle - she either wants to be there or has no clue he’s shnookering her into that position. Baby Jesus knows dad and Teresa will blame Melissa & secretly doesn’t mind. This creation of family squabbling gives him the out he’s really looking for.

She was thinking about it - I could tell ;)

This clip is too funny! I feel like Teddi will make it her personal mission to expose the psychic as a charlaton/fraud before the evening is over, eye rolls included ? ha!

I’m not particularly aggressively feeling anything positive or negative with any of the cast this season. I’m pleasantly surprised that the drama has been rather tame thus far. It’s gotten very ugly in past seasons. I guess this makes my opinion more “table for one” because I see all these situations to actually be quite similar. It basically boils down to gossip & venting, plain & simple. The harmless variety- something we all do in our lives except these women have cameras rolling when they do it. I find Teddi’s logic & reasoning in situations where it’s her gossipy tongue vs the gossip tongue of those she dislikes to be muddled & garbled to the point of her leaving me confused. Accountability for thee and not for me! Her word isn’t law with these bunch of co-workers. You cannot control how others are going to react to your getting involved in these situations. If you put yourself in, then be prepared for consequences, i.e. someone flipping out on you or not following your script. And truthfully, I found Ericka’s flip out rather tame myself. It wasn’t like she was lunging at her across the table or throwing bottles. She flipped out. Shrug. If Teddi can’t handle that, I have to wonder if she’s emotionally strong enough to be on a show like this? Like I said, I’m finding this season tame compared to some of the others. It’s pretty clear the Dorit fodder has run dry, since she’s pulling 3 month old conversations out of the bag. I highly doubt Dorit would ever say anything in front of Teddi ever again. All the ladies are probably thinking the same thing. Sure, it’s Dorit this season. Next season, will Rinna have the mirror held to her? Where will the truth crusader strike next? All these women are observing & taking notes. Teddi is shooting herself in the foot. ALL these women vent & gossip about the others-including Teddi herself. Ultimately, I think Teddi would be well served perhaps picking & choosing her battles.

I am shocked. Shocked! Shocked, I tell you, that Deja’s journey was nothing more than a plot device - this young girl FINALLY getting with the program and embracing the fabulosity which is Saint Randall, Patron Saint of the Perfectly Perfect. Hashtag- Sarcasm. I want to add that I absolutely loathe what they have done to William’s story this season. Sanitized him to the point where he’s shooting candied unicorns out of his behind every time he appears on screen. I’m expecting the writers to walk back his drug addiction to “Drugs?!?! What we meant was that William mistakenly inhailed some pot fumes once.” He’s been turned into a caricature. But, I guess it makes more sense for Saint Randall as prodigy of Saint William vs Jack & Rebecca’s 2 loser biological kids. lol

More and more I feel these after shows, interviews and social media have become a detriment to good storytelling. Showrunners and crew now rely on these tools as an extension to the actual production itself. I find it the epitome of laziness. What is not conveyed onscreen for the viewer is explained away via an aftershow, interview, or social media account, etc.

They lost me with the shower curtain thing. I’m assuming it was supposed to have some sort of emotional resonance throwing it away and then placing it back by the end of the episode. I’m 100% sure I was supposed to cry over it. I was more “Ewww, picking a shower curtain out of the trash. Skeevy.”

My opinion after watching Number 2 is that the Pearsons & their extended Pearson-ages (like Toby) are awful, horrible, incorrigible people. Events happen in their lives and they take it out on innocent, unsuspecting bystanders around them, like the delivery man or the woman in the grocery store. I find these Pearson histrionic tantrums and the endless speeches in public spaces appalling. They don’t give the people on the receiving end a chance to show empathy or compassion for their given situation before flipping out like loons. Cue next week’s episode where Randall imposes his own judgement on Deja’s mother’s fitness as a parent after meeting her, what, once? After knowing Deja all of a month (?) and his extent of getting to know her is how her story relates to his own. He knows nothing of Deja or her mother. Let the self-righteous speeches flow, #3, you got this!

Laughing because I just saw the preview for the upcoming episode and they’re labeling it “extraordinary”, where it looks like simply more misery - dealing with the aftermath of the miscarriage of a two-episode pregnancy storyline and more of Kate being nasty and insufferable to all in her radius. I passed on last week’s episode and looks like I will this week too.

My recollection is extremely vague, but I seem to recall one scene last season between adult Kevin and Rebecca having to do with the play. She was encouraging him? I don’t remember. That in itself is pretty sad when weighed against all the emotional scenes between Rebecca/Randall - in childhood and adulthood. Do the writer’s not see the story there?

Agree. I thought William’s story was beautifully laid out in Memphis. It’s redundant and cheapens his story to go the flashback route with him this season. Like that old soap opera-ish slight of hand - we’ll kill him off, but he’s not REALLY dead. Not working. Rebecca’s lack of connection to her adult biological children is that elephant in the room that no one talks about. Her relationship with adult Kate is strained at best. She has 0 emotional connection with adult Kevin (I can vaguely recall 1 adult one on one scene they had last season). Everything is lavished onto Randall and his family. I was hoping the show might delve into the meat of these relationships this season, but, alas(!) no. A lot of wasted opportunity for schleck. Sorry not sorry show, you have to earn my tears.