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In fact, Brooke got the label for doing exactly the same thing. Only she was married to the father and slept with the son. Then she was married to one man while secretly wanting his brother. Then she was the parent who had sex with her child's spouse (basically like Bill in this scenario).

I know, but pregnancy length (gestational age) isn't the same as the age of the fetus. The actual age of the fetus is never used at ultrasounds, doctor's appointments, or anywhere during a pregnancy - they always count gestational age, which adds 14 days to the date of conception. A 13 week old fetus equals a pregnancy 15 weeks along in every single medical situation you find yourself in while pregnant, up to giving birth at approximately 40 weeks (when the baby is actually 38 weeks old). And an ultrasound at 15 weeks may reveal the gender of the child, even if it's more accurate a few weeks further along.

That would actually make Steffy 15 weeks along already, since pregnancy weeks aren't counted from conception but from first day of last menstrual period. I guess it may be possible to determine the gender that early with an ultrasound, even though it's more accurate later on.

I think in order to make any sense of the ages on B&B, we have to just forget about taking the SORASed kids into account and go with the ages as they were stated (explicitly or implicitly) on the show before anybody was SORASed (otherwise we have to take into account the current show being set several decades into the future, since they did sometimes state what year it was during the fashion shows of the early years). I did this when I was rewatching old episodes and this is what I came up with: FORRESTERS Ridge: Born January 28, 1960 (this was explicitly stated as his birthdate after he was shot) Thorne: Born 1961(?) (between Ridge and Angela in age) Angela: Born December 1962 Kristen: I think born sometime after Angela Felicia: Born after Kristen LOGANS Storm: Born in the fall of 1963 (was 23 in the spring of 1987) Brooke: Born late 1965 or early 1966 (was 21 in the spring of 1987) Donna: Born late 1968 or early 1969 (was 18 in the spring of 1987) Katie: Born in the spring of 1970 OTHER Taylor: Probably born in 1963 or possibly early 1964 (was Storm's high school classmate) Macy: Born Oct 23, 1965 (birthday explicitly stated, said to be 26 at the time of CJ's birth in late 1991) Darla: Born in the spring of 1967 (I think - IIRC she had her 25th birthday party just when Karen Spencer came to town in 1992)

Katie celebrated her 17th birthday on screen in the spring of 1987, so she would be 47 now.

ITA agree about this. It would take some explaining why Macy would have done such an OOC thing as giving up a child when she had been struggling for years to conceive, but maybe some shady doctor in Italy kidnapped the infant and fed her some story that it was stillborn due to fetal alcohol poisoning and Macy felt guilty enough never to mention it to anyone. I would be ecstatic to see Bobbie Eakes as Macy back to head the Spectra family and be a real rival to Brooke. Brooke needs one and she hasn't one in years (not counting Katie since they are sisters and always make up in the end). KKL and BE had great "enemy chemistry" and I always thought that rivalry was cut short just when it was getting intense. And I could definitely see a "hate attraction" between Macy and Bill.

Actually, I have ALWAYS found the attraction between Steffy and Bill a lot more believable than the Steffy/Liam pairing. They had an affair that had a believable buildup, whereas Steffy literally hit her head and got out of a bathtub instantly in love with Liam. And to me, there was always an obvious element of transference in Bill's efforts to win Steffy for one of his sons. He always spoke of her as one would a potential mate, not a potential daughter-in-law.

I agree! This is definitely one of those times when character should have taken precedence over actor. Thomas was in the middle of a major storyline over at Spectra and with PF leaving so abruptly, all that fizzled and turned into a complete mess with yet another woman falling into the Liam Spencer black hole. Bell should definitely have worked hard to find a recast for Thomas ASAP and move on with the Spectra vs Forrester storyline with Thomas and Sally as a team. As it is, we never got to see te two companies actually become competitors (unless you count one single fashion show for charity, but that was over in one episode). Like you said, PF was not that iconic in the role and in general, I think the second generation characters are more easily recast (since we are already used to them being SORASed over and over). IMO, the older the character, and the longer they've been on the show (and especially if they created the role), the harder they are to recast. And vice versa. Younger characters who haven't been on the show for long and who have already been played by multiple actors should just be recast, we won't mind.

About the "I get"s... I have been counting them even since a B&B columnist pointed out that the writers seem obsessed with this phrase. And it's true. "I get" this and "I get" that shows up an awful lot in B&B dialogue. Regardless of which character is supposed to do the talking (although Steffy has them the most often). I guess the scriptwriters "don't get" that everyone doesn't actually talk like that. Especially if they are over 50.

I don't think Brooke not forgiving Bill has anything to do with her conscience or her good heart. That never stopped her before from doing what she wanted, or being with whom she wanted, or forgiving whom she wanted. No, I think the simple truth is that Brooke doesn't forgive Bill because she's just not all that into him. The chase is over, the excitement is gone.

Although, if Liam keeps going at this pace with his Robin Hood act, Spencer Publications will be the underdog by the time Thorne arrives...

It was already like that - WH has had an inexplicable Southern accent pretty much from the start!

I actually just rewatched the Brooke/Thorne/Macy triangle, and Macy's bitterness towards Brooke makes perfect sense in retrospect. Macy postponed answering Thorne's proposal for one day (during which the Throoke skinnydipping took place), then accepted the proposal and Thorne and Macy got engaged. From that moment on, Brooke kept flirting with Thorne and coming on to him repeatedly, while Thorne repeatedly turned her down. She also repeatedly badmouthed Macy to Thorne behind Macy's back, trying to get him not to trust Macy because she was a Spectra. And then there was the incident where she showed up uninvited at Thorne's doorstep, undressed, refused to leave when he asked her to, and hid under Thorne's bed when Macy showed up. And then, of course, there was the whole time Macy was married to Thorne and unaware that Thorne and Brooke were still involved behind her back. And then Brooke took it upon herself to enlighten Macy that Thorne wanted to end the marriage, before Thorne had even hinted to Macy that something was wrong. So yeah, I do understand Macy's anger at Brooke.

Actually, those blood streaks on the Forrester living room floor have been there for a couple of years now (I know because they have been bugging me for some time). I guess someone in set design thought it was supposed to look like "marble"... It doesn't. It's looks like Hannibal Lecter and Count Dracula had a house party.

Didn't happen, that we know of. On the other hand, we never saw Brooke until she was in college. It's just a very cheap way to make the message more serious, when the OBVIOUS way to make this message more serious would have been to actually make RJ and Coco's accident more serious. Show, don't tell, and all that. If either RJ or Coco had been fighting for their life after that accident, they wouldn't have needed a lecture from Brooke to realize the dangers of texting and driving.

Which is ridiculous really, because the Tally pairing already has a major conflict built into it, if the writers were smart enough to explore it. The real story here is the conflict between Sally's adoration of Thomas and her own dreams for herself and Spectra Fashions. She is willingly letting Thomas run things at Spectra, and even tell her what to wear. Thomas is using Spectra to get back at his family, but I think he is more concerned about advancing his own career than advancing hers. Sally came on the show wanting to run Spectra, and wanting to be a designer. Along comes Thomas and she is now his sidekick who transfers her dreams onto him. He is the one running Spectra, and he is the head designer.

I have pictured it the same way, that Shirley's daughter is Sally's and Coco's mother. I don't know why, maybe it's because I imagine the Spectras to be a family of women (CJ being the only male Spectra we have ever seen). I do see Coco's role in the NuSpectra family, and that in some ways she was necessary, but the big mistake was not establishing her as part of the family before she became more or less estranged from them. We are told the sisters were very close and that Sally was both mother and big sister to Coco, but the writers have failed to write scenes in which this dynamic is actually shown. So far, their interactions have been few and far between, and mainly concerned with whether or not Coco would forgive Sally for the spy necklace - we have had virtually no scenes where we get to see what their "normal" and supposedly close relationship is like. (I even think there have been more scenes where either Sally or Coco describe their relationship to some third person, than there have been scenes with Sally and Coco actually in the same room.)

Is it cheating if he has already left Quinn though?

And I'm sure Grams wasn't very comforting with her "your parents dumped you!" rhetoric. I wish they would actually fill in some of the holes in Sally's backstory though. We don't even know where she came from (or do we?). Where she lives now (unless she moved in with Thomas). Where Grams and Coco live (and does Coco live on her own since she seems to keep her distance from her family)? And we don't even know which of her parents is Shirley's child, and it has been implied, but never stated outright, that they are in prison.

And Bill Spencer!

Exactly. Quinn's mistake is thinking that Sheila is crazy the same over the top cartoonish way that Quinn herself is crazy. Thus Quinn ridiculously freaking out over thinking Sheila had a gun in her purse, while completely ignoring the long term implications of Sheila having a) the keys to the Forrester mansion and b) Eric's meds.

I'm not sure how that restraining order would work in this case. Eric kicked Quinn out, meaning Quinn should not even be there when Sheila gets there. Is she still violating the restraining order if she expects to arrive in an empty house on the request of its owner? It's not Sheila's fault that everyone else gravitates towards Eric's home when he's not there.

So we are now to believe that out of all hotels in LA, Eric coincidentally checks into the one where Sheila is staying? Right next to Sheila's room? Or did Sheila mastermind this somehow? If she did, she's good. I mean, really good. It would have been one thing if she had found out where Eric was staying and then checked into the same hotel. But managing to somehow subliminally manipulate Eric into checking into the very hotel where Sheila is already staying, that is advanced stuff. Sheila apparently has the ability to make people, or reality itself, bend to her will.

That clip was comedy gold! Not quite as funny as the extended fight scene where Ridge falls into the furnace (that qualifies as hands down the most unintentionally hilarious scene B&B has ever produced), but still right up there with "Not gonna happen, Rick!".

@ CountryGirl: Yes, it's true that Sally 2.0 is a different character from her great-aunt, but it's hard not to make comparisons when TPTB recycle all the old Spectra scripts, right down to the names and the goofy nicknames. Not to mention when they do the exact same storylines, the exact same relationships between the characters, the exact same hand gestures... I have actually amused myself trying to catch and write down a list of plot points, scenes or character traits in the Spectra 2.0 storyline that were lifted more or less straight from old episodes. I am currently at number 32. It's true, the outright copying has decreased over time as the characters become more their own people, but it's still very much there and I think it's a deliberate and continuing nod to Spectra 1.0. I think of it as an in-joke aimed at long time viewers.