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Mmm, basically it says it points to a possibility that maybe we are seeing something real at the therapists. Seeing how the show is all abut vagueness, red herrings and the slow inch by inch reveal...sure.
We don’t learn new information in the therapy scene between Celeste and Perry, either, but their disclosures nevertheless feel revelatory and unexpected.
The more interesting mysteries are the ones we come to later: The irreducible contradictions of abusive marriages. The complications of parenting a teenager. Functional but empty second marriages. A monstrous husband who nevertheless seeks help from his therapist.
Who is in a functional but empty second marriage?
I still love the Greek Chorus and since there really isn't very much don't know why everyone complains.
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17 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:
- I thought it was weird how the shoes of the rapist were shown (and subsequent footsteps in the sand). Upon rewatch I noticed all scenes of male protagonists included a shot of their shoes at varying degree. So based on how tall of the rapist's silhouette and shoes, I am guessing that the rapist is
Perry. He was the only one shown with dress shoes on. The other male characters wear some kind of canvas / relaxed shoes.
I hope it was just a red herring though ;)
- I like how everyone thought that the birthday party was better than the Disney on Ice trip.
- From several angles you could say this was Renata's episode. She got what she needed (not necessary wanted) throughout the episode: successful birthday party, Ammabella having fun, husband who desired her, roadblock for Madeline's puppet show, etc.
- Sorry I did not find Bonnie's dance that hot. What am I missing?
- That therapy session showed great acting by Nicole Kidman and Skarsgard. Celeste' expressions when Perry was talking showed great range. I'd say she was a better actress without dialogues. Skarsgard somehow was able to make himself look ugly in that scene, to go along with his lines. Great jobs
- Madeliene crying in her car showed human side of her character, which could be as easily shown as cliche. Nice job writers
Good catch on the shoes! Lots of clues here adding up.
Yes, I think Madeline lost on the party fight in terms of what guests liked. But Renata is probably still mad and after revenge so in terms of Madeline poking Renata about being insensitive I guess she got what she wanted. I thought it was actually poor behavior on Madeline's part not to be nicer to Renata when she wanted to invite Ziggy. I was on Madeline's side before but now I'm thinking Madeline sort of gets what she deserves although she is dragging a lot of people into misery with her. Is there some history there? Besides just I used to be a poor working Mom and Renata represents all awfullness rich working mom?
Bonnie - she is strange pussy. All men desire it right? They don't know her, she is a different race/exotic , their wives are uptight WASPS (or so they see them) she dances very sexually...I mean this lights up a mans fantasies on about 10 levels.
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1 hour ago, Eyes High said:
Expensive parties for children and teenagers are about impressing the other parents.
Of course Renata claims that her child is "gifted," like every other delusional rich mom. Amabella could truly be an unusually intelligent child, of course, but I have my doubts (and Renata going on about how intuitive and sensitive she was and how deeply wounded Amabella was by Chloe's snub was vomit-worthy). Besides, Amabella can't be all that gifted, if the educators at this "private school at public school price" school have seen fit to lump her in with all the other presumably non-gifted kids in the same class in first grade with no special activities or accommodation for her giftedness. A very smart adult I know started getting streamed into special education activities separate from the other kids in first grade (Amabella's age), although she didn't enter full-time congregated gifted classes until a few years later.
Madeline's little sobs in the car only reminded me of Elle Woods' meltdown in Legally Blonde when she got dumped in public. I know she was trying, but...yeah. Sorry, Reese.
I think we can safely assume that every emotion Renata subscribes to Amabelle, so sensitive, so smart, so crushed about her besties etc., are really how SHE feels and thinks. Does she even see Amabelle as her own person? I question that.
Yea, I get whiffs of Elle Woods a lot too but I'm not sure if its Reese or the character has organic similarities of Elle grownup.
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I doubt it is Nicole's acting but more that the director, writers etc have changed Celeste's story arc. The directors commentary after the first episode I think backs up that he sees the character from the book differently.
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Well dang as a man hater I certainly feel simple and naive! Here I was giving Perry all sort of credit for being honest with the therapist. At first I didn't understand why Celeste was lying about the physical abuse, then I assumed it was sort of a test to see if Perry would bring it up and that is why later she says for the first time she has hope. I was so happy that he was being so honest. I kept waiting for the therapist or Celeste to call him on his looks and insecurity. But insecurity doesn't have to have a basis in reality. I was spinning speculation in my head of Perry being some boot strapper of a success from a poor background while Celeste is from a long lineage of educated money blah blah and that is why he is so insecure.
They have been to counseling before apparently and yet we know nothing about it so we are left to speculate in the dark. Can this really be the first time Celeste has threatened to leave him? Was that neck grab the first time she has been frightened enough to think of leaving? Seems hard to believe. More like when things escalate past a certain point they go to counseling to back it up some, rinse lather repeat. Which would be epically neurotic.
In total leaps of speculation and adding symbology clues up is it possible to think that the shoe prints on the beach ending mean that Jane's rapist is dead? As in the mysterious dead person? Or is it symbology that she still doesn't know who he is? Why does Jane keep running up to the edge of the cliff in that one scene? At first I thought suicidal ideation/dreams. Now I'm wondering if this is some sort of cutsey foreshadowing of the dead persons having a bunch of broken bones - ala fell off or pushed off a cliff.
I don't understand Jane's gun or PTSD. She wasn't attacked in that sense and nothing we have been shown would lead to the kind of paranoia about being tracked down. Is it that she is there to try to find they guy and is worried that if he finds out he will retaliate? But why would she want to find him? It seems so unlikely to me that she would do that. If she were to find out who the guy is, he has fathers rights. So in the entirely unlikely event she could press a claim of rape, after going to the room willing, his word against hers, waiting years to bring it up, his money which would be motivation to lie, all of which would work against her - but say she got some sort of conviction - I think the father still has some rights. And chances are he wouldn't be in jail that long. I would never want to risk the father in a case like this hanging around the fringes of my life demanding parental visitation or my child actively wanting to get to know his father which would probably happen. If she is trying to find him to kill him, again why would a single mother risk that? Leaving your child parentless if you go to prison? I can see maybe a single woman seeking vengence but for a mother who chose to have the child it just seems so risky. The only remaining motivation to find the guy is money and she hasn't been portrayed as the that type. So I would have to think that she is not in Monterey to find him and go back to not understanding the gun.
How does someone as neurotic as Renata become such a success? Is that what the scene in the office was about, how she used to be normal and how the fight to the top changed her? Is becoming a competitive I must win mother the female version of power and money corrupt wolf of wall street behavior? I could get something along those likes but very hard to not be impatient with and dismissive of. Can't get a read on her husband, he seems like a slimy douche. I don't understand the previews about the bullying. That school seems too incompetent.
Bonnie and Nathan just seem like foil cut outs to me.
Edited to say the more I think about the Perry Celeste at therepy scenethe more it seemed ike something that has played out before She watches while he confesses.
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Weight loss hasn't seemed that extreme these past few seasons. Not that they aren't hungry and don't lose weight but its not like it used to be. That loss of mental acuity from weight loss seems to hit young buff men the worst. IDK have you ever been heavy? Extra weight can really drag you down and get in your way. Bending over when you are overweight - you can't breath, its like the pressure on your lungs just stops them from expanding. IDK if she's big enough for that to happen though. Varner's belly maybe. Getting up from the ground will make you puff and pant Big boobs just get in the way of everything! Its tiring. There is a optimum of a little bit of extra fat to carry you along and too much. I don't think she's well overweight but I think she is behind the optimum as is Varner's belly. IDK how long she has been heavier. That plays into it as well, how used to it you are.
Anyway its just a comment. I know how uncomfortable and limiting being heavy can be. Whether it affects Sandra and Varner or not is something we will see soon.
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Hey, I have an overbite too, or more accurately an undeveloped lower jaw which would require jaw cracking surgery to fix, nothing personal. With his short haircut I can see the Niles Crane thing. I bet more people would see it if he were playing a similar part.
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7 hours ago, stillshimpy said:
it..." there's Skarsgard with his career long struggle against being viewed solely as pretty.
Funny observation! He could just gain some weight and get a bad haircut though.
I just want to say he has never seemed that good looking to me. Oh yea sure, when he is sitting still with makeup and longish hair he looks great. Some of those True Blood and Tarzan stills. But when he is moving around and talking etc. the double bags under his eyes just bother me too much to think gorgeous. And then from various angles you notice his rabbity looking overbite. Not saying he isn't pretty but....not that much.
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6 hours ago, azshadowwalker said:
She never depended on physicality, either at camp or at challenges, so I don't think it matters.
It doesn't matter, she still has to walk to challenges, participate in challenges even if poorly, walk away from camp to have talks with people, do some camp chores. All that with extra weight is so much harder, more uncomfortable, hotter. Which all messes with your temper, your ability to think, your ability to motivate and get along. I'm not saying its a huge deal but its will have an impact whether its very obvious or not.
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Oh yea that covers it, thank you.
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Kinda of interesting in terms of overall dynamic. If you have a season with a lot of alpha male types, or any particularly majority of a type, goats would be non alpha types, women. An alpha type or two at final would get the votes from all the alpha types on the jury, alpha type game play would be seen as most valued etc. If you look at it this isn't a season of alpha types so...alpha types game play is not seen as valued, liked much and seen as goats?
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7 minutes ago, violet and green said:
Oh well, I adore Debbie. She's got so many sides to her, and within it all a good wit and a warm heart. I don't know if she's a particularly good player, or likely to improve this go round, but I am super stoked she's back in and I hope she lasts a long time.
Exactly and agree. I hope she lasts awhile at least!
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When Reese says play with "comedic actresses, dramatic actresses" I was....is she billing herself as comedic because I would think of any of the other 3 main as comedic. But then they all went on about Laura Dern in Enlightened. Which I had forgotten about and which I did love and was crushed when it didn't continue. Still I wouldn't call her comedic just because of that one role.
I read here that Kidman and Reese are collaborating on production of this? I think Reese has her own production company that buys rights to books etc. and that is how she did Wild. Where does Kidman fit into this?
Edit, in one video Reese makes it sound like they became friends recently/on set almost but in a Nicole video she says she and Reese are great friends. Sounds like she is more friendly with Reese's producer partner who was the one that called her about BLL? hm. Apparently "they" have rights are working to get another book by the same author.
Location looks really windy and cool/cold
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More nepotism in Hollywood, I hate it. Do actors kids ever do anything else but become actors? I have to say that makes it sound like something you can learn fairly easy. Which I don't think is totally true. So that just means that the talent gets diluted and the bar lowered. And no I'm not saying this particular kid, I'm speaking generally. For example now that hockey hasn't panned out for Goldie Hawns kid he is going to act. I thought the son in Manchester by the Sea was pretty bad. Actors kid, who actually got nominated despite the worst crying scene Ive ever heard.
but this is off topic
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Just found this as I watched Manchester by the Sea last night and wanted to read others opinions.
Totally a surprise to me and topical to the subject of the episode.
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a43408/casey-affleck-oscar-win/
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What about Perry? Is he a decent guy with some sort of.....sudden black rage....problem? He seems good and funny with the kids. He does seem a little controlling but a lot of guys who don't use their fists are so.
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On 2/27/2017 at 7:46 PM, LanceM said:
He was pretty positive about everyone but a few people whom I've already forgotten - Ozzy was one. Probst new favorite term - not a closer or a closer. Ozzy is not a closer (according to JP). Not trying to be mean or anything but Sandra is not only older but also heavier, that's going to be hard. Varner has a pretty big belly going to. Saw who Sarah was, got a vague memory of who she was. Saw some faces in those old clips that make me grateful for this cast. No one I really really can't stand (looking at you bounty hunter).
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On 1/8/2017 at 5:54 PM, Artsda said:
Survivor Stars John Fincher and Parvati Shallow Are Engaged!http://people.com/tv/john-fincher-parvati-shallow-engaged-survivor-contestants/?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag
Its all so chummy .. I think the strongest reason to be on Survivor would be is you get to be part of that alumni club. A boon socially and financially. Like all the exclusive clubs.
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2 hours ago, Slovenly Muse said:
Yeah, I really hope they make this clearer in the show, because from the sound of it in the episode thread, people are a bit confused. In the book, Celeste is VERY conflicted, thinking about her relationship as a "twisted dance" that she and Perry do together, that she is equally at fault for, because she does things like hit him back, or deliberately provoke him into hurting her when she can sense it's coming anyway and wants to get it over with... she wonders if this is normal, and asks her friends if they "fight" with their husbands, and then is frustrated when they say "yes," and don't seem to mean what she means... And when she acknowledges that it's NOT normal, she thinks it's just shameful and reflects badly on them BOTH and doesn't want anyone to know.
I'm not sure if Kidman is playing it quite the same way. I'm not quite getting a read on their situation either, so I hope we get some more explicit explanation of what is going on in her head. I can feel her love for Perry, her lust for him, even with all the violence, and her wariness of his moods. And trying to get them to a counsellor is consistent with her lukewarm attempts in the book to seek help. But I'm not quite getting her conflict, her wondering if this is a normal or acceptable way to live. The shame over her role in it. Things like her conversation with Madeleine (in the book, she was sounding out Madeleine to see if her fights with Ed were physical as well. On the show, she was opening up about her and Perry's relationship, just talking around the violence, which Book-Celeste would never do), and the way she, not Perry, is the unofficial Social Media Coordinator of their household (meaning she, not he, is the one most invested in presenting a normal, happy, idyllic face to the world), seem to indicate a shift from paper to screen in this relationship and how Celeste feels about it, but I don't quite have a sense of what that is yet. But the show seems to be making good choices so far in how it's revealing the characters' inner thoughts and feelings, so hopefully we will get a clearer picture of Celeste's in coming weeks.
I also have to say, I was NOT feeling Witherspoon as Madeleine in the pilot, but as of Episode 2, she is really growing on me. I saw Book-Madeleine as being quite in-control and always knowing what to do to help, just totally unable to let things go once she gets started on them. But Show-Madeleine gives a sense of being more... I guess, at the mercy of her own righteous indignation. I kinda like it! Looking forward to the next ep, for sure.
I understand from reading that many people into alternate forms of sex and relationships - bondage, masochism, swinging, bi, loving anal, whatever it is that may not be mainstream or "normal" tend to have a lot of internal conflict. (Hell, anyone not mainstream in non sexual ways can suffer a lot of self doubt about why they aren't "normal".) So that is hardly surprising. However, that is who they are, they like sex that way, whether made, born or some combination. The way the show is portraying it, or at least how I'm seeing it so far, is that it suits Celeste sexually. I wouldn't be surprised if yes she has a lot of conflict about it, thinks it makes her a screwed up person etc. but that wouldn't necessarily change the fact that she has the sexual relationship she wants/needs. Did the book resolve that part ? Go into past sexual relationships, did she feel something was missing or did she enjoy "normal"?
If not I think the show is portraying this, has chosen that interpreation from the book? that sexually this relationship suits her. The control not so much. I get the impression that she doesn't like the domineering part of it - 'this is who the kids will play with' etc. It may be hard to separate them since one does lead to another in this relationship whereas I can imagine, whether its possible or not, a couple who recognizes and can separate the way they like to get their rocks off from the realities of raising kids, managing a relationship etc. So far its the more interesting relationship and not just because its sex but because its such a complicated thing.
I like Reese and I like Madeline but I keep seeing bits of the the spunky Delta Nu from rich LA. Haven't decided if that's because the character is some grownup rich LA version of the legally blonde character whose name is escaping me or if Reese is not taking her character somewhere else because she lacks the skill.
Guess I'm going to have to see if my library has this:)
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to the we are both comments, is it odd that she seems to enjoy the sex? I feel like maybe I'm being insensitive or strange asking that but I don't understand it and she doesn't seem to be faking but a willing partner?
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You are probably right. But it does show, I think, an extra level of detail which is more common in a quality production such as HBO likes to produce. Providing for more levels of flavor in the Celest/Perry/twins family. As to clues, more likely not.
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Looked at the scene with the kids watching the cartoon
as they drive down the road
Singing lyrics: Timmy is an average kid that no one understands
Picture changes to two small fish in a fishbowl that look worried then changing to
having huge smiles and floating crowns;
lyrics; Mom and Dad and Vicky giving them commands no one understands
Singling continues in background while adults talk but can't hear
Cuts back to cartoon voice
Cosmo: Well just go away forever
Timmy: Why?
Wanda: Because that's what the rule book says
cartoon shown - female character (who has a fairy wand and a crown) hits a male character over the head with a book that's titled
"DA Rules"
Then the fairy? looks like she expresses some dismay
I looked up The Fairly Odd Parents and season 1 is described as
After being tortured and humiliated by his babysitter, a ten year old boy is put under the care of two fairy godparents, who can grant him almost any wish, which leads to dire consequences.
Wiki: In the 1990s and 2000s fictional town of Dimmsdale, California, a 10-year-old boy named Timmy Turner is neglected by his parents and tortured by his babysitter Vicky. One day, he is granted two fairy godparents, Cosmo and Wanda, who grant his every wish to improve his miserable life.
Da Rules is the book by which the fairy godparents must abide about how to be fairy godparents
Interestingly each character has an anti character that is the opposite of them (smart/dumb, good/bad. Very twin like no?
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Revotes can be interesting if someone has played an idol especially if they played it for someone else.
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11 hours ago, 27bored said:
And the other thing, the thing that kind of bothers me about this discussion, is this: you can't go through life expecting men to see the insecure little girl underneath the veneer of a full-grown adult woman. It's unfair, unrealistic, and most importantly, it's dangerous. Because some predatory men know to worm their way in by building you up by stroking your ego and massaging any sore spots in your psyche.
Neither should women go through life constantly trying to figure out, understand explain, rationalize or justify men's behavior. Nor look to men for protection It is dangerous.
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S01.E03: Living The Dream
in Big Little Lies
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I saw Kidman on Graham Norton, I can't remember what she was wearing but she looked like about a million miles of leg. At the Oscars she looked so pale she was translucent. So pale you wondered if she painted herself white.
Gonna keep standing up for the greek chorus. I love some snarky exposition.
The chorus has mentioned several times about all the most perfect couples have secrets. We have seen Celeste's and Perrys. Will there be one for Ed and Maddy? Renata and...and...slimy hubby? Nathan and Bonnie?