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24 minutes ago, FlickChick said:
Fabulous post, @ILoveReading, everything you said and more is true. I personally believe that Jensen's talent rivals not only TV actors, but movie actors as well. I also firmly believe that if this show had ended in S5 as originally planned by Kripke, Jensen would have been in several projects by now. And it breaks my heart that he is fed mostly garbage by this current regime.
19 minutes ago, DeeDee79 said:Co-sign this statement so much.
I believe y'all are missing my point. The last episode was so good and felt like the older seasons, I feel like some of the blame for the bad writing falls to Jensen & Jared. They have alot of pull and should have put up more of a fight with the bad story arcs and inconsistencies. We always tend to blame the showrunners and writers (don't get me wrong here. Most of them suck big time) but the boys most have some say about what happens with their show. Am I crazy to think this?
49 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:From @sino8r
Marvel would disagree with you, they've been after Jensen for years. He was short listed for Captain America and then he was offered the role of Hawkeye. Then they wanted him for Ajax on Deadpool, the only reason it didn't happen was because the WB woudln't let Jensen out of his contract to film it. Jensen has been nominated for daytime emmys. The producer of 50 Shades of Grey actually drove to Jensen's house to discuss the role of Christian Grey.
Jensen is just too loyal. That's the only reason he hasn't been cast in anything else.
I first noticed Jensen on Dark Angel. I watched for another character (Logan) but really started to become an ALec fan. I'd never heard of Jensen before than since I didn't watch Days. It had very little to do with his looks.
I disagree that just because Jensen hasn't been given much chance to play characters outside of Dean that it doesn't show his range. I feel like Jensen has the hardest job out of all three actors because in the early seasons, his character wasn't the focal point. Jensen made use us notice Dean. He blew away Kripke and has on more than one occasion made the crew cry.
Plus, Dean's primary storyline, is guilt. Jensen has found different ways to play it every single time. His storyline last season was being depressed over Cas's death which was the exact same thing as season 7. In s7, he played Dean more as at the end of his rope, depressed alcoholic. Whereas last year he played last season as more angry and resentful at everyone and everything around him.
Jensen seems to have a sixth sense about how to play a scene. A good example is the scene with God. Dean was supposed to be angry but Jensen played it as more emotional. The little things he adds into his performances, like Dean stealing the candy in Ladies Drink Free, or tones, looks and facial expressions all show us different sides of Dean and help us peal back those layers.
A good example is Dean's face when Mary said, John was a good dad. It spoke volumes without Jensen saying a single word.
So I think Jensen has shown to be a very strong actor whose shown us so many shades of Dean. The End, with Dean vs Dean. Or demon Dean, or shifter Dean, or Dean Smith. This are all totally different versions of Dean. An acting professor said she even uses Jensen's performance in The End in her college class as a way to demonstrate how to play different, but similar characters. Just because its the same character doesn't mean there isn't a lot of range. We've seen Dean high and giddy and depressed and broken and every shade in between and every one feels real, organic and makes me laugh want to laugh and cry right alongside Dean. Jensen makes me feel.
When I see Dean, I can see every bit of trauma, and hardship he's gone through. The way Jensen carries him self when he plays Dean is totally different than when he's Jensen. There is this weariness that is a part of Dean that just isn't' there with Jensen.
Just playing a different character doesn't mean your a great actor/actress. Everything I see Kathryn Newton is she plays Claire. This might be more unpopular opinion, but I found souless Sam and demon blood Sam pretty interchangeable, they were both douches who said/did what they want, consequences be damned. Souless Sam wasn't' even consistent. One episode he was a puppy, the next up a hardened killer.
IMO, it isn't lack of talent that that the writers don't' give Jensen the opportunities they give others, its that Dean is the heart and soul of show, (My opinion, of course) but backed up by the writers when every they give an opportunity for Dean to be other the writers panic and say "we need Dean back." They don't' say that for Sam or Cas. Dabb even admitted that Dean had to be removed to give other characters breathing room.
That Dean is so consistent with all the show runner, writer changes is a real testament to Jensen.
IMO, Jensen's biggest strength is character building.
TL:/DR version Playing multiple characters doesn't automatically make you a good actor, any more than playing one character makes you a bad one.
I've never heard that part about the Marvel movies shortlist. That's very interesting! I do hope our heros get work after the show is done. I just figured they've been typecasted for being on Supernatural for so long. I never truly thought that Jensen (or Jared) are bad actors. Just thought they weren't exceptional. Maybe the fact that the show has gone downhill for so long now has made me a bit blinded to their abilities.
Even though I really loved the last episode, it does make me question as to why there such wild swings in quality when it can be still awesome as shown to us all last week? It's almost frustrating...
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10 minutes ago, 7kstar said:
I was going to ignore but for an actor to be able to comedy and dramatic, they have to have skills. Jensen is over the top because after yellow fever they keep pushing him to go over the top. Only a few directors are really strong. It's also why they keep giving him major emotional scenes. I have actors that can do comedy or drama but few can do both really well.
In fact, it was Jensen's acting ability that drew me to a show that is against the genre that I watch. I hate horror. Jared has grown in spades. Maybe you meant to be funny?
No, I was serious. Let's be honest here. No one on Supernatural is ever going to win an Emmy or anything. They are soap stars after all. I remember Jensen doing a decent job on Smallville but he's not going to be a star outside of this show after. I had always thought Jared was the better of the two in terms of ability but again honestly... Jensen has never really had the opportunity to act outside his character for long unlike Jared and Misha. And we all know Misha can't act that well outside of Castel. The only great recurring guest star on this show was Mark Shepherd. Jensen does a good on the show. Whether he does anything after the show ends might be due to typecasting or something else. Again, I'm a big fan of the show and have watched it since season 1. No offense meant to anyone.
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19 hours ago, devlin said:
Curse this female brain of mine!
17 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:Please. It's rabid female brain.
Lol! No one said anything about your female brains. My only point was that some of the fangirls of Supernatural over the years overlook some shortcomings of J & J because of their looks. Guys all do the same thing. We're only human. Plus, I feel that they've had more influence on the writing over the past few seasons than we all want to admit. That being said, I'm looking forward to the rest of the season after such a stellar episode!
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I gotta say... I loved this episode! It felt like the old days and I actually cared what happened and was interested. It even seemed short which is always a good sign of when you're really digging the episode! I was really disappointed with the mid-season finale so this really helped revitalize my interest in our aging show. Jensen did a good job and DID make it seem like a different character. Jared and Misha always get to play other roles so it was nice to see Jensen get to be someone different. For years, I always thought it was because he couldn't do other characters due to his limited acting ability but he proved he's a decent actor imo. As a male (which is a bad word these days) and won't rabidly defend J & J every chance I can like some of y'all here. You have to agree that they have alot of pull with the story being the stars of the longest running CW show and should have fought harder for better story arcs, writers, showrunners etc. for the past few seasons. Seems like the boys are putting their foot down finally. It also was nice to see Jack developing into a good, well rounded character. I know alot of folks here don't like him (calling him nougat baby lol) but I really think he's been a good addition. Nice to seem him use his awesome abilities again although we have an idea of what will happen eventually. Hbut for now, he brings back a good, innocent side to the angels which Castel used to carry solo. I still miss Crowley and some of our female leads though. I would have rather seen Jo than Pamela. Would have made more sense too. About Crowley... He was the only intelligent bad guy who knew Sam and Dean would always win in the end. You would think Michael would figure this out being in Dean's head but I guess power can blind rationale. Oh and Billie is cooler now than I remembered now. At least she seems more rational and less revenge driven now. I really thought it was a bad idea killing off Death to begin with. Julian was such a great actor in that role. He was more mysterious and powerful than Billie and brought such a chilling feeling about how you can't cheat death even the Winchesters. All and all, it was good episode and reminded me of why I still watch the show after 14 years.
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What a flaming turd this season has been. So angel possession has no rules now? Michael isn't a demon. Demons don't need permission. Angels do. Even Lucifer needed it. I could see a demon leaving a weakness to reinhabit a vessel but not an angel. They are still built a certain way. Just because Dean said yes once doesn't leave an open door to reinhabit anytime he wishes. This has been shown before with Gladarel. It can not be done. But these idiot show runners have no rules or don't remember their own lore. Every bit of angel lore since season 4 is totally pointless now. This is no more than a crappy supernatural soap opera like the rest of the stuff on the CW. Despite what some of y'all think, Jack is only interesting thing on this show in the past couple of seasons and he's been neutered as well. It's no different than what they've done with Castel or making angels less powerful or more so to suit the particular storyline. I get some of y'all really love to see Jensen and Jared take on different roles in the show but this was predictable and lame. And then forcing a failed spinoff to be part of the lore is stupid as well. Plus, it's killed all momentum and restarted the season.
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I'm curious as to why you all think Kaia (or whatever her name was) is going to be the next bad guy. I'd rather it be Lucifer for the 4th time rather than that reject spinoff leftover. That would be incredibly stupid even for Supernatural. Annoyance with Dean's angel story and crappy writing aside, Wouldn't most likely be the Empty Keeper or whatever that thing was?
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5 hours ago, iRarelyWatchTV36 said:
The fact that this show has now been on the air for 11 & a quarter seasons just really exacerbates that problem, too. I know that's a long time and lots of things to keep track of, but how can you run roughshod over your own lore, that you've tried to establish after producing 240+ episodes in the process, just to make things in one 43-minute span work better with everything else in the script?
The script should be written within & throughout the already established lore, not writing a script and adding in, or subtracting, bits of lore to smooth things out
5 hours ago, ahrtee said:I believe that a scratch from a werewolf won't turn you...it has to be a bite. (At least, it took a bite for Madison, Garth and all the obnoxious kids in Bitten...which, Bitten?) So I don't think they messed up their lore. (I don't remember whether the guy in Red Meat was bitten, though both he and his wife--and both the Winchesters--were pretty scratched up and only he was turned.)
Lack of amulets/tattoos was a little annoying, but it didn't really distract from the episode for me--at least, not nearly as much as all the glaring logical/tactical errors in the last two eps, so I can handwave 'em. And to me, it's more important that this writer actually seemed to understand (and like!) all the characters, and none of them were OOC or annoying. So, I'm counting it as a win!
ETA: From Supernatural Wiki entry on werewolves: Werewolves are humans that transform into wolf-like creatures under the influence of a full moon. They can either be born as werewolves to werewolf parents, or become a werewolf as a result of being bitten (known as a "bitten"). Pureblood werewolves also prefer to use the term lycanthrope.[1] Source: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Werewolves
Yeah, I looked it up after replying myself lol! Seems that a scratch works on general werewolf lore and not on Supernatural. Only a bite works for the show. Maybe it was all the horror movies I watched around Halloween lol! One thing I did enjoy (as some of y'all are mentioning) are the legends of the Winchesters! I know they've been mentioned by various run-ins with hunters but this was great! I wish they had gone a little more in depth with that. I'd love to hear the hunters debating whether some of it was bullsh!t or not hehehhe! So far, I'm enjoying this season! I hope the MOL things pay off along with Lucifer side story. I know there was a bit of controversy with the Nazi Thule episode but I kinda wish they ended up fighting Hitlers 4th Reich of something. That would have been interesting to me as a history buff but would have been too silly, I guess... The manic behavior of Hitler was very accurate from what I understand. Also, the surprising love of animals and his fellow German people was right on par. Wish the kid and his golem was on the episode though. I guess it reminded me of the Stein family. The guys Dean fought when he became a demon. It had some potential as well. I guess the British MOL will have to do. It's kind of nice to have Supernatural branch out a bit from the demons, monsters, and angels. Much like the Walking Dead, the real danger is from people! As pessimistic as that view is, that's the truth imo...
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Although the episode was decent, they really screwed up the lore so much this time. In the first scene, the kid gets scratched on the face by a werewolf yet doesn't turn and it's never mentioned again. Wtf?! That's a huge deal imo. Just seemed like an identity mark they used to show the kid growing up in the following scenes. Not to mention they show a 1990s truck when it supposedly the 1980s. Also, as y'all already mentioned, the lack of devils trap tattoos/amulets is ridiculous! The twins could have been more helpful in the demon fight (besides noticing the warding) due to be raised by a witch. The writers really need to get a supernatural lore expert to review the scripts. The inconsistencies are getting sad at this point...
One last thing... The way the writers screwed up Death and making him out to be a bad guy was so stupid. So now we have this annoying reaper named Billie threatening the boys every several episodes. I find her irritating! Why don't they just kill her, seriously? I know some of y'all like her and it's nice to have more female characters but she's so annoying to me lol! She's like a bee that is somewhat menacing but mostly just annoying that just flies around pestering you went you're outside. They just won't stop lol!
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Dean Winchester: aka Squirrel
in Supernatural
Well, that's how most people think of actors. Playing different characters well is typically the sign of one's range and ability. And of course you want someone to be able to play a fully fleshed out character but alot of that is up the writing and lines as well. Some folks criticize Jack Nicholson for allegedly playing the same guy in all his roles. Some praise him for it. I don't make the rules.
Not really, I was asking if it was his acting abilities or the writing because the last episode showed something we rarely see.
Maybe they have been too passive about their jobs? I'd think they'd have more say after 14 years. That's very sad and I feel bad for them.