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On 6/18/2017 at 10:18 PM, Bubbles1967 said:
Although I understood her reasoning, Tasty shouldn't have taken it upon herself to be the sole decision maker. Yes what happened to Poussey was horrible. But what they said was reasonable. They had to investigate. Otherwise all their other demands would have been met. Truth be told, justice for Poussey meant more to her than to anyone else.
This is the thing that upset me most. All of the inmates will end up much worse off because of Taystee refusing to accept the state's concessions. Even if we assume that the state would drag their heels or totally renege on some of the reforms that they agreed to, things could have improved to some degree, and at least the inmates would not have faced the brutal treatment of the SWAT team.
Does anyone know what happened to the male nurse? Last I remember he was put in a porta-potty.
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I don't understand the experimentation with a dermal delivery system. Is this to deliver the hormones to the surrogates? If so, why can't they just give them shots or pills, which would be easier to keep track of? Or are they planning on delivering something else to a wider population?
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On 7/13/2017 at 0:41 PM, tennisgurl said:
Taystee seriously screwed up on this one, making a choice that was both stupid, and rather selfish. She had a once in a lifetime chance to make a real change and make everyone's lives better (what she said to Black Cindy basically) and she threw it away. All for something that doesn't even make a lick of sense. Fig and Caputo were 100% right that they cant just have Bayley arrested and thrown immediately in jail. There needs to be an inquiry (which is already happening) and an arrest and a trial, there is a reason there's a system. You cant just throw people into jail because one person says so. She's right that the system doesn't always work, but that doesn't even really apply here. What Bailey did was clearly a tragic accident, and if he stood trial, he would probably be convicted of involuntary manslaughter at the worst, likely not even that. Taystee through away everything that has happened over what wasn't even a murder. I get that she's horrified by the senseless death of her best friend, but forcing people to admit they treated the prisoners horribly and getting them to fix what they did is a far bigger victory than throwing some guy in jail. It was MCCs fault Poussey died, not Bayley.
I know I've already said this, but I feel like it was a mistake to make Bayley the one who killed Poussey, at least in the context of what I think they're trying to do. I think they want us to see what Taystee is doing as her fighting for justice, pulling it into the Black Lives Matter movement and finding justice for the injustice black people suffer at the hands of cops and in the legal system, but, considering all the time spent on Bayley's horrible guilt and showing us that the death was CLEARLY not out of racism or malice, it comes off as Taystee being unbearably short sighted and self centered. if she was trying to get one of the psycho guards sent to jail for their crimes, I think it would be easier to get behind her. This is so clearly more of a Violence Inherent in System kind of issue, and you can easily tie that into institutionalized racism if that's the story you want to tell, but its just not fully connecting.
Also agree with this 100%. Maybe if an evil guard like Humps or Piscatella had killed Poussey (and if it had been more clearly murder rather than manslaughter), it would have been more understandable that she and other inmates would accept nothing less than justice. But even in that situation, it would have been wrong for Taystee on her own to say no to all of the concessions if the demand for immediate jail for the guard was not granted. At least she should have given the other inmates a vote on whether to accept the offer on the table.
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On 7/6/2017 at 8:08 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:
The best moment of this episode was when Fig told Taystee that the governor had agreed to their demands and Caputo jumped up and down with excitement and told Taystee, "You did it!" He is no saint and he has made mistakes, but his happiness over that was genuine. It wasn't because he wanted the standoff to end. He knows that things are fucked up and that he alone doesn't have the power to change everything. His hands were tied with the budget because this isn't like trying to send a bunch of kids to soccer camp where you have some bake sales to raise money. On his own, he didn't have the money or authority to do most of the things that Taystee and the others demanded.
I understand that Taystee wants justice for her friend. Poussey shouldn't have died, and that's what matters to her. But everyone in that prison would have benefited from all the demands that the governor agreed to, and now everyone is going to suffer the consequences when the authorities storm the castle. They aren't going to stop to ask each person, "Hi, did you do anything illegal or violent over the past two days?" They're just going to take down every prisoner they see, even the ones who were just sitting around doing non-riot things like watching tv or sitting outside. I hope Taystee can live with herself when her friends and fellow prisoners are injured when the SWAT team (or whoever it is they sent in) comes in swinging and they don't end up with better food, an education program, or higher wages. As much as I understand her need for justice for Poussey, Fig and the governor were not lying when they said they can't just throw Bayley in prison. He still has to go through the legal system like everyone else.
The sad thing is that Bayley has tried to turn himself in, to kill himself, and to have Poussey's father have whatever revenge he wants and he has been turned away every time. I know that being sorry won't bring Poussey back, but I wish that Taystee and Brooke knew that he was at least trying to find a way to have justice served for what he did. Taystee thinks that he's like Piscatella - unrepentantly evil with no regret for the violent things he has done. She thinks he's skipping around happily in the outside world. Nothing will lessen her grief or her loss, but knowing that he isn't blithely going about his life is something that I think she should know.
If the show is trying to sell me on the Piper+Alex=twu wuv story, they really need to stop reminding us what assholes they have been to each other. Alex turned Piper in to save her ass and to make her suffer. That's not true love. That's a selfish asshole killing two birds with one stone so she can avoid federal prison and get back at someone who hurt her. These are two people who get tattoos out of SPITE. That's a sign of immaturity, not love. I mean, on the other hand, I guess they deserve each other.
Larry's Kook-Aid man tattoo was terrible!
Thank you, ElectricBoogaloo, for that excellent summary! I know Taystee meant well, but I was practically shouting at the TV for her to stop putting her own need for justice ahead of the broader needs of all the inmates.
I have been sick of the Piper/Alex story for a while, and especially in the context of the riot it seems out of place or at least irrelevant.
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On 6/18/2017 at 1:43 AM, possibilities said:On 6/10/2017 at 1:50 PM, Lady Calypso said:
It sucks for Boo to find out about Linda, but it was going to happen sooner or later.
When I saw the phone, I wondered why Linda didn't call out and tell someone she was trapped inside. I guess she has no friends or allies who would notice she's missing? I wonder what percentage of her change of heart about the horrible conditions and the human rights of the inmates will turn out to be sincere vs just an act she was putting on to get by.
They seem to be portraying Linda as actually being attracted to Boo and not just using her for protection, but I have a hard time believing that the Linda we've seen both with Caputo and in sorority house flashbacks would be (a) suddenly finding her inner bisexual or lesbian and (b) attracted to someone who looks and acts like Boo. If Linda actually was bi (or could be potentially), I could see her hooking up with someone like Alex or Piper (i.e., someone pretty who would not seem out of place in Linda's sorority), but not with Boo. Just another of many plot elements this season that seem more unrealistic than usual.
Also, do we know who cut the hole in the fence and how the guards got out of the porta-potties so they could escape?
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Although I was happy to have Six back, I was really confused throughout the episode. Ultimately I understood most of it, but I'm still not sure at what point Six was able to overpower his captors and take over. There was a scene where he momentarily got free, but then one of them shot him. At first I thought that was another false image or memory. Did Six take over at the point where he momentarily got free and then made them think that one of them shot him?
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2 hours ago, Clanstarling said:5 hours ago, Paloma said:
Question: Where did we see the DP tattoo before? As soon as they had the scene in this episode where the prisoner showed Piscatella his wrist tattoo, I remembered that one or more of the women in prison had seen it (either the same tattoo on Piscatella or a photo of a wrist with the tattoo) and commented on it, but for the life of me I can't remember when that happened and who saw it. If it was on Piscatella's wrist, why would he have put it there (since the tattoo was the initials of his name, not the prisoner)?
Red saw it on Piscatella's wrist when he appeared at the blockaded door (I think that was before the "big boys" arrived to handle the riot).
Thanks, Clanstarling. But that raises the question, did he have that tattoo in the flashback when he was having the relationship with the prisoner? Maybe the prisoner got that tattoo to match Piscatella (as a sign of "love"), but if Piscatella did not have the tattoo back then, why would he have gotten it at some point in the future? To remind himself of what happened back then? It's especially confusing because of the scene that was cut, which showed that the prisoner's tattoo smeared (i.e., was not permanent so did not mean what he said it meant).
I guess it's ridiculous to obsess over the meaning of the tattoo and when he got it--I keep trying to make sense of things in this series that really don't make sense.
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Question: Where did we see the DP tattoo before? As soon as they had the scene in this episode where the prisoner showed Piscatella his wrist tattoo, I remembered that one or more of the women in prison had seen it (either the same tattoo on Piscatella or a photo of a wrist with the tattoo) and commented on it, but for the life of me I can't remember when that happened and who saw it. If it was on Piscatella's wrist, why would he have put it there (since the tattoo was the initials of his name, not the prisoner)?
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On 9/27/2014 at 4:32 AM, MDKNIGHT said:
I liked that the women stuck together and insisted on going back for Cassandra. I'm glad they didn't dwell on it too long but reality is that without cops and jail there are a LOT of violent men (and really predominantly men, that is a statistic not a bias) who would start raping people (both men and women look at jails). So it really WOULD be harder to survive in a lawless country if you are a woman and you would tend to stick with a group that you know won't rape you. That being said I could see how someone with a conscience would flee in terror like Cassandra did.
I just started watching this show as a way to pass time on the treadmill, and it's kind of a guilty pleasure. Most of it is cheesy but it does get in some good points, like this one about the greater danger for women in any kind of lawless situation. If anyone is still looking at this thread, do we know why Cassandra was locked in a cage when they found her and how she got there? As far as I can remember, she was not anywhere near the cannibal headquarters.
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On 5/9/2017 at 0:43 PM, Chaos Theory said:
Wolfgang and Lila..,ahhh making out while a conversation was going on at the dinner table was kinda funny.
It was funny but seemed like inconsistent writing because Felix and the gang boss didn't notice anything odd in Wolfgang's behavior. Apparently he was not IRL doing any of the movements that he was doing while making out with Lila at the table, but when Will was kissing Riley in his mind in previous episodes he had his arms "around her" and was making kissing movements with his lips IRL, which resulted in his partner seeing this and asking what he was doing. There have been other examples of the members of the cluster connecting mentally and others seeing and commenting on the resulting odd behavior (such as talking to someone who isn't there). So why didn't Felix and the gang boss see and hear Wolfgang's side of the makeout session? (There was one moment when Wolfgang was in a chair trying to hide his erection, I think, but that was the only time that the others noticed any unusual behavior.)
Another question: Why do the BPO technical and/or medical crew wear biohazard suits when they are guarding or handling sensates? Since it is known that the ability is genetic, it presumably can't be passed by physical contact. At first I thought they wore suits to fool any unaware members of the public who saw them going in to get a body, but they wear them even when they are in BPO facilities.
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On 5/5/2017 at 10:12 PM, Mindthinkr said:
What happened in front of the Nightwatchman at the Rijksmuseum thru me off...so unexpected.
I was confused about the locations because I thought that Will went to London to meet Croome and that he and Jonas were visiting in one of the London train stations. Was that actually the Amsterdam station? In a way it makes sense that Will would set the meeting with Croome in Amsterdam, since that's where he and Riley were living, but it's also risky because it let BPO know where they physically were.
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On 6/16/2015 at 4:41 PM, SanLynn said:
Sun's brother is really arrogant and/or stupid to think he could get away with that suicide story. Did he think their father hadn't told Sun what he was planning or did he just think that father confessed his intentions to sonny boy first?
Didn't Sun's lawyer in a the previous episode tell her that the father had given a confession and that she should be out of prison in about a week (not the exact wording, but I thought that was the gist)? So it seems that there would already be some record of the father confessing, which should put the brother under suspicion.
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8 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:
Sounds like Ryo had gone with Teku's plan, but it ended up backfiring on them, so he's now pissed with him, and likely Misaki would use this to get back into Ryo's good graces. Wasn't sure if her smirk to Teku at the end was just general smugness or hinting that she might have even had something to do with the losses. I wouldn't put it past her to sacrifice a few ships to win back Ryo.
That was what I suspected, that Misaki set the trap or leaked info to let others set a trap. Regardless, I'm with those commenters who think the Zairon story is boring.
Adrian did grow on me a little in this episode, but it's still not the same without the original crew (or at least with Six).
I couldn't tell from the final scene whether the commander (general or whatever he was) was talking to Six or just watching him as he dictated his report/orders. I really don't see Six being a traitor or bad guy at this point, he seemed to be sincere in wanting to redeem himself by helping people.
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On 6/20/2017 at 10:01 PM, Winston9-DT3 said:
I didn't like Janae's story. It's almost like the white skinheads and meth heads are the only ones being presented as dumb criminals, and Piper and Alex, while the black and Hispanic inmates are just victims of poverty and lack. I understand the social commentary. And I guess Frieda (is that the Nature Scout?) was shown as being a product of a looney home. But it's feeling a little heavy handed lately.
The message seems both heavy-handed and confusing in this season. In earlier seasons, when they focused on fewer prisoners, the social commentary was more effective and made me sympathetic to most of the black and Hispanic inmates because they were shown as victims of poverty and the system, while most of the white inmates were there because of stupidity, intentional bad acts committed by privileged people, or "good" reasons such as social protest. I'm still sympathetic to those whose lives are shaped by poverty and unequal opportunity and get caught in the system because they see no other choice, but not every black and Hispanic person who ends up in prison had no other choice (for example, Cindy). I'm also not sympathetic to someone like Aleida who feels entitled to a job and curses out the employer in front of customers for not giving her the job based on nothing but Aleida having nice nails. If this is how she behaves with all potential employers, no wonder she can't get a job. I'm not sure if we are supposed to be sympathetic to her.
On 6/20/2017 at 0:28 AM, WhosThatGirl said:Judy King being dragged around like slave... again is that supposed to make us applaud the inmates doing it? If so it's really complete fail. They try and turn certain characters like Cindy into heroes, a character shown to have not an ounce of care for anyone else, even in her backstory she did everything for herself one of the few characters with our redeeming qualities actually.
This is part of the confusion in this season's message. I never liked the Judy King character, but having her treated like a martyr (Nazis forcing her to walk with a cross on her shoulders) and then a slave on a leash was just over the top. Similarly, having the inmates treat the imprisoned guards and warden (most of whom have not been shown to be evil) like animals may be understandable if you think of the Stanford experiment, but it has the effect of making those inmates unsympathetic. It wasn't until near the end of this episode that I remembered that Maria was the one who had her baby taken away, which made me more sympathetic again to her...until she left Caputo and the guard to suffer in the port-a-potties.
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On 7/9/2015 at 10:51 PM, Clanstarling said:On 6/14/2015 at 4:47 AM, AllyB said:
Not just a husband, a husband and a baby who was either stillborn or died shortly after it's birth. There were two names on the gravestone, her husband's and a baby's called something like Lunas with a surname which was a patynomic of the husband's. The baby was born and died on the same day as her husband. (I'm also guessing that the husband was Sven's son and that's why Riley's father expected him to go to their graves with him?)
The baby's name was Luna Magnusdottir (Magnus' daughter).
I think the baby was a few months old based on my quick look at the birth and death dates. But we still don't know how they died, right? Just that Riley felt that it was her fault.
On 6/14/2015 at 4:47 AM, AllyB said:(I'm also guessing that the husband was Sven's son and that's why Riley's father expected him to go to their graves with him?)
Good catch on that, I was just thinking he was a family friend. I should have figured it out when he started talking about Riley's father playing a song when they went to visit, and I think Sven said something about not seeing the point because "they" weren't there anymore.
I really need to rewatch these episodes, because it is hard to keep track of the plot and characters after just one watch.
Even though the story overall is somewhat fantastic and I understand that you have to suspend disbelief, it takes me out of the story a bit when the writers have people survive attacks that should have killed them. Based on the way the attacks were filmed, both Felix and Kala's future father-in-law should be dead. But then we wouldn't have the touching bedside scenes to advance the plot and connections between sensates.
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Is Dr. Matheson (the one who came to Nita's mother's door with the police) the same one whose face was reflected in the mirror when the lobotomized patient killed himself in the last episode after killing Dr. Metzger? And is this Dr. Matheson also the same one who was talking menacingly to Daryl H.'s character in the first episode?
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On 9/1/2015 at 11:24 PM, Nanrad said:
From what I understood, Dani wants them out together because they are always cooped up at Lito's place. They can't be scene together, so to do something nice for them, she was trying to act as his beard and have Hernando be a "body guard" because no one will think anything of it. Now, Joaquin is a stalker with money and connections. He could've easily kept tabs on them, and then broke into the place and waited while they were gone. Dani may have not noticed for various reasons, but I do believe she genuinely cares for Lito and Hernando and is genuinely terrified of Joaquin.
I agree with all this except "she genuinely cares for Lito and Hernando"--I know that is what the show is trying to make us feel now, but her behavior up til now has been mostly selfish, intruding in their personal lives and bed when (at least initially) they obviously did not want her there. And she took photos of them having sex (without their consent) and stored them on her phone, which could have been seen by others even if the phone was not stolen. I would have been more sympathetic to her if the emphasis in previous episodes had been on her hiding from Joaquin because she was terrified instead of her enjoying being their beard and being part of their sex life.
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Guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm not a fan of the Lito-Hernando-beard story. Lito is fine as a character, and I liked the twist of him being gay, but I don't like the beard (sorry, I don't remember her name, probably because I don't like her) and get annoyed every time they pause the cluster connection plot to show her pushing herself into the apartment and bed of Lito and Hernando. I guess at this point we're supposed to think that Lito and Hernando are fine with this, but that seems unrealistic because at least initially they both seemed to want to get rid of her (or at least to keep her out of their real personal life). I feel like the relationship as now shown is just intended to please viewers who want more sex scenes. (Yes, I am a prude, and I was also uncomfortable with the orgy scene, although after seeing the comments here I understand the point.)
What I'm hoping to get more of is an increasing number of mental connections between the members of the cluster and seeing how they can help each other and also unite to defeat the forces of evil (I'd also like to get a better idea of what those forces are and where Daryl's and Naveen's characters fit in).
Aside from that, Will, Sun, and Riley are my favorite characters and I really enjoy seeing them connect with each other as well as with the others.
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I kind of liked Alison's character in the previous season (can't remember if she's been in more than one before this), but her flashbacks now seem pointless and irrelevant to the current plot. At least with Frieda you can see a connection to current behavior, but so far I don't see anything in Alison's flashbacks that illuminates her current behavior--maybe because her current behavior isn't particularly unusual (aside from seeming more level-headed and intelligent than many others). Probably the flashbacks are eventually going to show how Alison ended up in prison, but in the context of the riot and so many other characters, it just doesn't seem that important. And I have a really hard time buying that such an intelligent and apparently feminist woman would urge her husband to get another wife (and be fine with it until the other wife made decisions about the child).
The flashbacks for Caputo's girlfriend also were unnecessary. We already knew how superficial, selfish, and scheming she was--did we really need to see her sorority days to confirm that?
Overall, there were too many flashbacks and ridiculous scenes (such as the talent show and Red and Blanca going through files while on amphetamines or whatever) going on too long. I'll probably watch to the end because my husband likes the show, but I'm mostly bored now.
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On 9/26/2015 at 11:39 AM, RachelKM said:On 9/26/2015 at 10:16 AM, supposebly said:
This is the episode when I fell in love with this show and especially the characters.
I agree. Each time I described this show to anyone, I've started with "It takes about 3 episode to really gel (Smart Money is on the Skinny Bitch) and then every episode after the third I finished it saying 'This is my favorite episode.'" By the end of this episode I was in love with the show and all of the core characters.
My husband and I started watching this series a few days ago. Found it interesting but not "must watch" until this episode--now I want to binge the season. It helps that "What's Going On" is one of my favorite songs ever (and that's saying a lot because I am old--came of musical age in the 1960s).
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Sorry if someone already suggested this upthread, but isn't it possible that the CDC is using "Aleutian flu" as a code name for investigating their suspicions of a zombie epidemic? If they had those suspicions, they would of course keep them secret to avoid creating panic.
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9 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:
I think a possible explanation -- and it might have even been explicit in Natalie's prior appearance(s) -- is that when she was a mere human call girl, she had saved up a fairly decent amount.
I guess I missed (or forgot with all the millions of plot elements) that Natalie was a call girl before she was turned. I was under the impression that Blaine made her become a call girl, but you are probably right.
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13 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:
17. What's up with Natalie?
Well, we saw that she came back and apparently took the cure. She told us that she saved a lot of money, traveled the world and was about to do a 6 month stint in Italy. Taking all that at face value, there's still the question of how. When last we saw her, Natalie seemed to basically be a prisoner of a zombie with at least one henchman. He seemed the sort that might wonder where his chosen mistress ended up..
All great questions and possible answers, but this one raised another possible inconsistency for me. If Natalie was basically a forced zombie call girl and later forced mistress of a zombie, why would they have needed to pay her anything? I can see them keeping her in nice surroundings (as much for the clients' benefit as for hers), but she was presumably being kept prisoner and a sex slave by her need for brains, which is why she wanted to kill herself originally. I just don't see them giving her enough money to save up and travel the world, even assuming she could escape.
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Did anyone else notice that Kim showed much more physical affection to Jimmy in this episode than in most or even all previous episodes? We've seen them in bed together but mostly in a companionable, almost platonic way. In the past I've wondered about the lack of even mild physical affection and what it says about their relationship. Maybe Kim's close call with death made her appreciate Jimmy more, especially when she saw him trying to take care of her?
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