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2 hours ago, glowbug said:
Just because D&D leave things out of prophecies on the show doesn’t mean they won’t happen. I think they often do it so that those plot points are more surprising to the non-book reader audience. They do a lot of things for shock value.
Or because their own narrative (the show) does not need to include those things in the prophecies.
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1 hour ago, nikma said:
GRRM didn't do anything to Jeyne Poole. She does not exist.
Exactly. The same things some people say about D&D and Sansa. Sansa is being punished because how she mistreated Tyrion. What? The authors punish character x because something the authors made the character x to do. That does not make any sense. The characters are not real.
1 hour ago, Eyes High said:So you can't understand why an outline that guaranteed...
You wrote "guaranteed", but I disagree.This is art. Grrm can change anything at any given time if he wants. Big things, little things... anything. He will not suddenly transform the books in a musical, but besides that, he can change anything right now, even if he did not change lots of things before. Why? Because it's art.
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2 hours ago, anamika said:
Now I am thinking that the ending of the show is completely predictable to book readers and...
The problem is that not even the book readers can agree about which one will be the ending.
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10 minutes ago, BadAssRobinArryn said:
And hello you all. I'm new here and after months of just reading this thread, I registered.
Welcome! :)
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We need a trailer. Or even a 10 seconds teaser trailer.
Something.
Please?
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58 minutes ago, Eyes High said:
Because the show endgames and TV endgames for the major characters will be the same
"The same" in this case is a very open phrase, 100% the same? Impossible. 99%? 95%? Maybe. Perhaps 80%?. Lots of space to leave open endings and include differences with the still unwritten books. Maybe "the same" means: who will die, who will be in charge of what and who will marry who only if it is tied necessarily with the political plot. And I think the narrative tell us that's not the case with Sansa.
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3 hours ago, Minneapple said:
So the ending must really be unpredictable if everyone is saying so.
And Jon Snow is still dead.
3 minutes ago, WearyTraveler said:....
- Dany, baby and Ghost climb on the dragon's back and fly away
- The end
I think the last scene will be the same of season 4. Arya in a ship. To the West of Westeros.
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39 minutes ago, nikma said:
Well, it seems Friki was right about Tyrion.
Why?
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47 minutes ago, Eyes High said:
I’ve said upthread that I think it’s unlikely that Sansa will end up with Robin (if so, they would have recast Lino) and that I think Book Sweetrobin is toast, but I have to admit that Sansa discarding any thought of romance and doing what Littlefinger and Olenna did—marrying someone stupid she doesn’t love because she can control them—would be a plausible endgame point for her arc. TV Robin is a pathetic one-note joke of a character, but maybe that’s the point. He could never outfox Sansa or physically overpower her, and maybe that’s what she needs to feel safe.
The question is, even if we discard romance, why D&D do need to introduce a marriage in Sansa story at this point and so late? Her narrative does not need it. Why to put effort on it?
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30 minutes ago, Eyes High said:49 minutes ago, OhOkayWhat said:
But they put things in the narrative to make the twists work. There is almost nothing within Sansa narrative to make such twist to work.
That's an aspect of her character, but there is nothing that points her like the leader of a country.
It might be a Shae situation, where there’s a last-minute shift to get the TV character’s endgame in line with the book character’s endgame, regardless of everything that came before.
Nah. It was very well established, in the season, she felt insecure about his love. And how his words deeply wounded her. The audience knew his reasons, but she did not.
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1 hour ago, Eyes High said:
Going back and reading Sophie's interviews, I really do think that she is in fact alluding to Sansa not ending up with Winterfell. Maybe she really does run away with Sandor or marrying Robin or something. TWIST.
But they put things in the narrative to make the twists work. There is almost nothing within Sansa narrative to make such twist to work.
33 minutes ago, anamika said:and the show could be bringing back that aspect of Arya's character.
That's an aspect of her character, but there is nothing that points her like the leader of a country.
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1 minute ago, Colorful Mess said:
The 3 eyed raven told Bran he wasn't ready. His training was cut short. He didn't get lesson on how to manage all of that power. That could explain his personality change
Exactly.
1 minute ago, Colorful Mess said:Still, it sucks for the poor kid
Yes, it does.
We should not confuse "I don't like what happened with that character" with "bad written narrative".
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12 minutes ago, bubble sparkly said:
Yeah, turning Bran into a robot was very weird. As you said, the old 3ER had been isolated in a tree for 1000 years and he seemed able to have normal interactions with people and was able to feel empathy
Maybe the previous 3ER had a guide to help him survive the transformation with fewer changes.
And he was not isolated, the Children of the Forest were with him.
In other words, the show gave us the reason of the change, gave us the special circunstances of such change and the change happened. Therefore, the show was consistent.
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1 minute ago, GraceK said:
I don’t think it’s consistent at all. At the end of season 6 when he first became the 3ER he didn’t act like the hollowed out google wiki he was in season 7. And the other 3ER didn’t act the way either. He was relatively normal all things considered. And when I say jumped the shark I meant in the sense that the way the series started out, it’s clear that Bran perspective and arc is important to the story overall. He was completely shunted to the side and overlooked in season 7 and that’s what I’m hoping they fix in season 8. You can feel fte to disagree ?
At the end of Season 6 he barely started to become the 3 Eyed Raven without a guide. Before, he had the previous 3 Eyed Raven as guide. And that makes a huge difference. And at the beginning of Season 7 more time has passed in that state.
The importance of each character arc in the narrative is determined for the whole narrative. Therefore they did not jumped the shark.
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5 hours ago, GraceK said:
If you compare that Bran with the Bran if the earlier seasons ( and especially in comparison to his book counterpart) you can see they jumped the shark. He was definitely meant to be much more then just google Bran and exposition. I really hope they redeem him in season 8 and get his character back on track
Jumped the shark? The way Bran behaves now is pretty consistent with what happened to him (becoming the 3 Eyed Raven). A different thing is we don't like what happened with him. He is not the same person from early seasons, of course, that's character development, and character development in narrative doesn't necessarily means he will become better.
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11 minutes ago, bubble sparkly said:
I will laugh if after all this talk of the ending being surprising and unpredictable, it turns out the “shocking” events are things fandom pretty much took as a given. For example, the IT is destroyed, the dragons all die etc.
It's possible. But we should not forget the real "fandom" is way bigger than all the people of all the forums together, the people who theorized this or that.
We all are a tiny minority. Maybe most people think the dragons will survive and the throne too.
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24 minutes ago, WindyNights said:
When it's subtle, it can be discounted but when it's obvious then it's just easy to see
Even to say it's obvious (or not) is open to interpretation. In my case, i think it's obvious we still know nothing.
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13 minutes ago, WindyNights said:
Facial cues tell you a lot about how a person feels
Not always. And it seems people think we have Faceless Men face reading powers or something.
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Wow! Are we trying to read to faces of the actors to find something, anything, about the endgame, now? Reading faces? Really?
The lack of confirmation of (almost) all the spoilers had taken its toll in the fandom.
5 hours ago, nikma said:I don't know what is the intention behind this narrative that cast and crew don't like the ending, but I think almost everything is taken out of context. I mean we are at the point when we are analyzing actors' faces to read their minds LOL.
This!
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1 hour ago, Katsullivan said:
You need to watch the show again. Last I checked, Tyrion went to Essos to join forces with the dragon queen,
He went to Essos running away from Westeros. Without any other plan.
1 hour ago, Katsullivan said:Even in the scene you're probably referring to where he was suggesting caution, he wasn't asking her not to unleash her dragons and Dothraki on the people who were literally about to bomb his ass. He was asking her to leave some people alive
As I said, Tyrion asked Dany don't burn cities in Westeros and Essos. He is warning her don't go the "Mad Queen" way.
In Essos
DAENERYS: I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt. That is my plan.
TYRION tightens his jaw and looks away.
DAENERYS: You don’t approve?
TYRION: You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing when the Lannister armies were at his gates?
An explosion occurs outside.
TYRION: Probably not. Well, he told my brother and Jaime told me. He had caches of wildfire hidden under the Red Keep, the Guildhalls, the Sept of Baelor, all the major thoroughfares. He would have burned every one of his citizens. The loyal ones and the traitors. Every man, woman, and child. That’s why Jaime killed him.
DAENERYS: This is entirely different.
TYRION: You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different. I’d like to suggest an alternate approach.
In Westeros
YARA: If you want the Iron Throne, take it. We have an army, a fleet, and three dragons. We should hit King's Landing now. Hard. With everything we have. The city will fall within a day.
TYRION: If we turn the dragons loose, tens of thousands will die in the firestorms.
Both places: Westeros AND Essos.
1 hour ago, Katsullivan said:As for the rest, see above.
Nothing of the above answer my points:
-Tyrion's character development.
-The logical impossibility of whitewashing in this case.
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57 minutes ago, SimoneS said:
Yep, she definitely isn't thrilled. Because Dany died? Or because Dany did something horrible? I read an interview with the three of them that hinted at something. I will see if I can find it again.
I don't see Emilia happy or unhappy. I see Emilia kinda afraid to reveal something, anything, with her face.
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3 hours ago, Katsullivan said:
That's D & D's misogyny and a bit of racism, not anything intrinsic to Dany's character. They didn't mind Dany-the-Dragon-Queen when she was ruling over a land that they populated with brown/black people.
Misogyny and a bit of racism?. Tyrion asked Dany don't burn cities in Westeros AND Essos. Both places.
3 hours ago, Katsullivan said:But when she needed to turn all that Rage and Fire on a white patriarchy, suddenly they included hand-wringing and tut-tutting to the extent that Tyrion Wildfyre Lannister gets to school Dany on the Ethics and Morality of Burning Enemies.
White patriarchy? Tyrion warned Dany about her idea of using dragons to take KL, a city that, as far he knows, still has LOTS of wildfire beneath it and it's full of people.
3 hours ago, Katsullivan said:The same Tyrion that commissioned wildfyre to unleash against Baratheon forces? That Tyrion? I know the show white-washed book!Tyrion but this is the first I'm realising that even show!Tyrion gets the whitewashing treatment.
It's not "the same" Tyrion. That was Season 2 Tyrion. Characters evolve. That's character developtment. A different thing is that we don't like where the narrative goes.
And a show!character cannot, logically speaking, whitewash whatever a book!character did.
Whitewash: a deliberate concealment of someone's mistakes or faults in order to clear their name.
Therefore it's logically impossible to whitewash a Tyrion with the other Tyrion, because anything Tyrion did in the books cannot be concealed even if we create 100 different shows. They are simply different fictional beings.
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1 hour ago, anamika said:
But the North itself is such a mess on the show.
That scenario is one of many that makes sense after the war of the five kings.
1 hour ago, anamika said:Show Arya has no complexity
Disagree. She is very complex. That's the reason she is my favorite character.
1 hour ago, anamika said:and not one mention of Arya?
Does it matter in the big narrative?. If "yes" they showed the conversation on screen. Brienne talking with Sandor about Arya was included. And both know Sansa too.
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24 minutes ago, Eyes High said:
To be completely fair to GRRM,he acknowledged later in the same interview that you can't keep actors around indefinitely because they want to move on to new projects and don't want to be tethered to one role forever, so maybe hoping for 11, 12, or 13 seasons was just wishful thinking on his part.
This. People commenting (in the twitter link) seems to think actors are ageless fictional beings too.
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Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion
in Game Of Thrones
· Edited by OhOkayWhat
Or maybe it will not happen in the show even if it happens in the books and that is the reason prophecies are different in some cases.