Scarlettatl

There's much that goes on with this show that we dont see until it's revealed in a flashback. My post was a response to a post on Oliver's "shadiness". You questioned it. I responded. As for the speculation thread, thanks I may do that.

I didn't say he killed him. I said I believe Hannah killed him and at some point Oliver began working for her. Oliver isn't a student, as well he wasn't involved in Sam's murder. But his connection to them/Connor was not hard to discover. He had no real allegiance to AK either or anything to protect. Something to consider... Oliver became TOO curious about Keating and crew secrets in S2. Most anyone that has a mate with jobs (corporate, firm or govt) don't expect them to divulge secrets/proprietary info. Yet Oliver was persistent. And this... an IT security pro who would certainly know better.

But they have met, end of season 1 when Hannah met all of the students. She seemed to blame them all as co-conspirators with AK. IMO It's not far fetched for this show to bring her back into the fold. Annalise just brought her up again recently saying she left her a drunken vmail just prior to the fire. As for the phone, I think AK wanted him to have it, admittedly I have no idea what she put on it. But I believe it's something that will ultimately prove his collusion with Hannah because he will have kept it and not done as instructed. AK took note when at the courthouse the students made her aware that Oliver had dumped Connor in S03E03, right after she hired him. She probably also noted his Stanford disclosure (knowing she'd tell Connor) was a ploy to get Connor to dump him first. She also had to have put Oliver on her watchlist when he basically threatened her with "I can hack your files whenever I like" in order to get that job. I don't believe any of K5 or Nate had anything to do with Wes' murder. Bonnie is a possibility but I still don't see it. Hannah makes more sense than anyone as Sam's avenging sister, with Rebecca, Sam and all past deeds coming to the surface.

He told Annalise that he didn't do it and I believe him. I think Oliver planted those when Michaela stole Simon's laptop to get the arbitration outline. Remember it was Oliver that supposedly found them there.

He IS shady! I don't think he killed Wes but started working for Hannah Keating at some point. I believe he tipped her off about the meet and she killed Wes intending to kill them all. I think Annalise already suspects him tho. She noted he dumped Connor right after he slyly blackmailed her into hiring him. I'll bet she put some bs on that phone to expose him and Hannah.

You keep suggesting that she was only trying to save herself. I hear you but from what? Again she was always going to be the primary suspect as the spouse no matter what she did. Annalise was under no real threat of a murder conviction. Not only would a prosecutor have to prove that she committed a crime for which she was innocent... fercrissakes there were not 1, not 2, but FIVE WITNESSES there. Even if we eliminate Wes and Rebecca, the other students were innocent of any real wrongdoing before they removed the body. If Annalise had called the police while *dead* Sam was still there and was eventually arrested for something so heinous as MURDER there was little to keep at least 1 of those students (if not all 3) from coming forward and clearing her name. Annalise only put her butt in a sling and at risk by trying to save Wes from being subjected to even so much as an arrest and investigation with a cover up. To me that's the big takeaway from that whole drama. The real reason for that desperate plan and their history is still a mystery. Hopefully we'll find out by next spring.

What episode was this from? If you mean the one that intercuts with her questioning by the detectives, she said nothing like that.Wes: I'm so sorry. (To Sam) Annalise: Don't be. (Surprising Wes) Wes: I swear we... we didn't mean for this to happen. Then he was choking her so... so HE hit him... I... I hit him. Annalise: (desperate and tearful) You listen to me closely and do exactly as I tell you. Remove the body. He cannot stay here. Your DNA is under his nails, on his skin. So the only way to get rid of it is to burn the body. Then you need to get rid of the remains. Wes: If they know you were here they'll... they'll blame you. Annalise: Dont worry about me. I can take care of myself. Wes: Professor Keating... Annalise: No. Listen. What you did tonight had to be done. He killed that girl and for that he deserved to die. Trust me. I GOT YOU INTO THIS AND ITS MY JOB TO GET YOU OUT OF IT. Now go and do what you've been told. Annalise was tearful and panicked. Perhaps her panic was rooted in something from his past. I also noted Wes' slip of the tongue, mis-speaking of himself in third person (he, instead of I). In any case it seemed to be all about Wes, not saving herself. And btw, whether found dead in the house, the woods, the dump or just permanently missing, as the spouse Annalise was always going be the primary "suspect" in any event (especially once Sam's sister showed up). In fact she DID become the primary suspect until she pinned it on Nate. It's one thing to suspect however, another to prove it.

Can a DA really build a case on what appears to be all circumstantial evidence (the affair, etc)? There is no hard evidence that I can think of to even make a credible accusation of Annalise. More to my point, she put herself at much more risk by NOT calling the police. I'm sure that she is well aware of this. We don't know how long she was there before Wes walked in. 5mins, 10, 30? She's an attorney and a very good one. It's totally natural that she would pause to consider all ends before making the call to the police. She knows she's not guilty and she had an alibi. No doubt she instantly considered Wes and maybe even Bonnie or Frank as suspects... all people she would want to protect. The prosecution would have a hard time convicting her under the initial circumstances. However taking part in the coverup and clearing/cleaning away the evidence introduced a whole other level of complicity that could certainly land her in jail. Not to mention any or all of the other participants can now saddle her with collusion, whereas she was free from that when she first came home.

Lol I really like this twist! BUT... considering the amount of blood Sam's head was floating in when she arrived it might be safe to conclude that Wes' blow did the trick.

Perhaps it's because she's a strong, manipulatuve, a control freak or because we've watched her handily clear cases and clean up messes at a moment's notice that she gets little sympathy in this. But Annalise neither killed or asked anyone to kill her husband in her home. Even Bonnie could get an indictment against Annalise for Sam's murder thrown out in a preliminary hearing under the initial circumstances with one hand tied behind her back. There was a struggle in the bedroom with prints and likely other DNA from the students and Rebecca all over. Sam probably had other minor injuries from the fall, as well prints on the bannister. After Wes' return, she certainly could've called the cops right then and there. Annalise put herself more at risk by assisting in the coverup and she knows it.

I suppose many see this differently. They're all guilty to some extent the night Sam was killed. Let's remember also that even Wes' act of killing was to save someone, Rebecca. Nevertheless, what followed... - 3 of the Keating 4 got caught up and made a stupid decision not to call the police (actually ridiculous, considering their intelligence and basic knowledge of the law, but hey it's TV). Make no mistake however, they were motivated by their own SELF interests and protecting their own futures. Michaela seemed the least willing but still went through with it for that reason. - Wes was relatively composed and totally looking to protect HIMSELF and Rebecca. He also didn't hesitate to drag his innocent classmates down with him to do it. To me this was key. The other 3 were stunned and foolishly followed his lead by leaving the scene, then later he lied about the coin toss to get them to assist in the cover-up. - Bash Annalise all you want but the only dog she had in that hunt was to protect Wes and the other kids. She didn't want to see them ruined over her sorry assed husband. It's important to remember also that Annalise was not there when the killing occurred, and other than Wes' word she couldn't know exactly to what extent the others were culpable and could be prosecuted. Again, they screwed up by leaving the scene and not calling the police. She had to think quickly, hence the cover-up scheme. Wrong thing to do... but at least her INTENT was to protect others. - Sorry but Asher's grief and annoyance with a prosecutor doesn't give him license to run her down and murder. Sinclare's death was the single biggest fly in the ointment when Annalise previously only needed to deal with the found murder weapon that day at the mansion. This, and the potential for it to be blamed on Nate, was what sent her off the rails. Even then she was still scrambling to protect others... Nate, Asher... putting her own life at risk. I'm not trying to let Annalise totally off the hook but the individuals involved and sequence of events have set off a chain of responses from her that illuminate her best and worst qualities. I damn her for some of her cynical choices but I mostly credit her for her intent. To date she still hasn't killed anyone that we know of, but has foolishly resigned herself to be a caretaker and thinking she can maneuver/manipulate her way out of any situation. My biggest beef with the show is Connor's incessant whining. Heck they even had Asher's mom blaming it all on Annalise. On what grounds? She doesnt even know Annalise. But then I saw the whole silly "blame Annalise" thing this season as simply a means to crank up tension around who the shooter might be.

Perhaps he changed it or Michaela lost the number, but I recall her texting him (to get him to leave the Keating porch) the night Sam was killed.