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On 7/26/2018 at 8:28 AM, cajpgh said:
Just watched the episode with Issac finding his mother....it was pretty unsettling to see Issac's inability to truly break out of all the years of oppressive isolation and speak honestly to his mother..but i guess his "flight" away from her was a little hopeful that he wasn't ready to give back in to the pull of the religious routine of obedience. I was struck by Issac's affect...never sure if he was acting or it was truly him struggling to figure out how to be his own person....i am never sure how "real" any of these shows are.
One question i had throughout ...what happened to his brother who reached out for the help to get him out originally...did he ever meet up with him and wouldn't the brother be interested in seeing his mother again too?
On 7/27/2018 at 3:34 PM, renatae said:I feel like Isaac definitely felt like his mother's parroting of the gospel according to Warren was going to draw him back in, or at least he felt he didn't have a comeback that he was confident in delivering. They've never shown anyone before getting subjected to that, and I imagine it's very hard to resist the "logic" of something you've had drilled into your mind since you were a toddler. It's too bad, but I hope he will be OK. Maybe he just needs to write her a letter. I'm not good at verbal gymnastics as everything I know departs me when most needed, but I'm great at expressing my convictions on paper.
He did meet up with his brother and lived with him for a time, as I recall, before going out on his own. It would be cool if they both see their mother again and get her out!
I do think Isaac knew his limits on things and his gut told him to get away from her. As sad as it is his mother is so far gone that there is no pulling her away from that and getting her out. Her talking like she was to him with all her quotes and such said it all. I'm glad he got out of there as he did. She wasn't going to understand and how was he going to explain he left to someone with that kind of mindset? Its sad but at least he was able to see her...if even for a short time. As for his brother, maybe his brother has moved on when it comes to their mom. He may not have wanted to be a part of it. Which after seeing that I wouldn't blame him. And Isaac did see his brother when he left. Like Renatae said, he lived with him but he was able to get himself set up now so moved. I am glad Isaac is going to school and doing what he is to move on with his life. He obviously is still adjusting but seems to be doing well thanks to those that have helped him.
On 7/27/2018 at 3:50 PM, renatae said:This bugs me to death as well. I just don't understand how they get away with keeping the other kids when they have others who have testified to the abuse and the guy is in jail because of it. Probably they have to assume all is OK because he is gone, and someone from inside would have to bring charges. It would be hard to get any of the other members to testify to the abuse. Also, the original girls were granted emancipation, instead of there having been a trial, so their experience is not enough to bring more charges. Upsets me a lot.
With the original girls, I think it was said they were granted it because their parents didn't fight it. Which I can imagine they don't fight it to a certain point if it looks like child services or someone might come looking into their homes a bit more. So its easier to just give up on 1-2 kids then lose them all in their eyes. Either way it still does bug me when there is proof of the abuse. I wish the one had done her escape when she had the marks on her body. How could they turn a blind eye to NOT look into the home if one has marks on their body from a beating?
16 hours ago, renatae said:Actual new episode alert! (I think!)
The 7/30 episode with Chris and Amanda was very troubling. I really got the "user" vibe from Amanda, whose deal seemed more about getting the guy she wanted than conviction that the sect was evil. There was something very devious about her. She wouldn't look the girls in the eye, and her insistence that Chris "for sure" wanted to leave yet she hadn't told him her plans was odd.
When he came along and started spouting all that stuff about how Warren was perfect, I wanted to vomit. I didn't like his angry vibe either.
My guess is they are not really safe in Utah away from the group as someone apparently communicated. If so, why didn't Amanda answer the girls' calls or ever contact them? I think having some unknown person tell them this is suspicious. I feel it was Chris' intention all along to do what was necessary to get her back into the cult and that he was stringing her along with the ranch in Colorado idea. It's scary to think how they may be punishing her.
16 hours ago, Galloway Cave said:The whole episode was odd and so was the girl's reaction to Amanda. I can't remember who was THing toward the end, but she said something about how she hopes they can still make "their" dreams of a life in Colorado come true. It was Amanda's dream, not Chris's! He sat there in the car looking stone cold, spouting that fundy shit. He did every thing he could to shut the girls down, talking over them, snapping at them. And Amanda never said a word. THAT really was telling for me. Never said "Please don't speak that way to them, they are helping me, I asked them here."
Once the girls find out that someone really doesn't want to leave (or in Chris's case, never did want to leave), they should immediately cut loose and go. They aren't going to change anyone's mind staying and talking. I know they felt guilty bringing Amanda to Chris, but she just used them for the airfare. Plygs are expert grifters and Amanda was just doing what came naturally. They shouldn't feel guilty or try to keep up with her.
Agree with you both. From the get go something didn't feel right about this at all. As things went on it was obvious more and more. Sadly its hard to really weed out these types I am sure. This isn't the first one we have seen like this. The one half sister did it as well because she wanted to marry a certain cousin (if I remember right) and she went to go with the one back to Seattle. It seems that whenever involves these girls wanting to be with the guy they want they use leaving or being out to get their little way about it. Its disturbing and disgusting because these girls are trying to help get others out of this horrible life only to have a few that end up using it to get what they want in the end and go back. I have to wonder how well they are treated after they go back. Can't be to nice I am sure.
With the episodes that are repeating but are coming up new with the season, it was said when the show started that they were doing this because of those that might not have seen it before but many of us are obviously not happy that Lifetime decided to mess with it like this. I can't imagine the girls decided to have the show like this. When this show started it was on Lifetime btw, so I don't know why this is going on and they didn't just do a big marathon of the episodes leading up to it or after it started. Then take and create just a few episodes of updates on those they have helped in the past. It would have been a better way to do it IMO. The mix of old and new in one episode is just not ok when they could be giving us so much more on the new escape instead and how they are doing.
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1 hour ago, Galloway Cave said:
Well, the good news is that the kids on those shows all say they are not living polygamy and the ones that have married so far aren't. And the shows aren't showing the lifestyle to be wonderful. In fact, just the opposite. I lived in a polygamist town (independents) for eight years and none of the descendants of the original patriarchs are practicing polygamy. So that is where I am getting my hope on the situation! The old leaders will die, their brothers will die and there may or may not be anyone as charismatic as them waiting in the wings to take over. Warren Jeffs has prohibited couples from having children in his sect for a while, so that may slow down the continuation of the FLDS. It may take longer for the Kingston sect due to the large number of children, as you said Evil Queen. Something really does need to happen with the Kingstons to blow that sect apart.
I have wondered how Jeffs thinks he can keep the couples from having kids or sex at all? Or why when like you said it does slow down how it keeps his sick group going. I am a bit surprised they haven't had someone step up and do what he did to become the so called "prophet". There are some that have to know he will never get out of jail. Which not like I would want someone else dictating whatever for them and wish they would wise up to the fact he is not getting out. Sadly there are how many of these sects out there that fall under the FLDS? There are ones in other countries as well if I remember right. At least I know in Canada and Mexico. With Kingston I figured that at some point sadly the way they will end up going down to nothing is because of what may happen with issues that come up over time from mixing up the gene pool like they do within themselves. Otherwise it will really take many to just take the stand and do something to stop it all. Sadly the government is doing nothing that they should on it to put a stop to this disgust.
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On 6/20/2018 at 4:23 AM, sigmaforce86 said:
The escape in that second episode was definitely on before. That's the family that tried to sue saying the girls and the production company invaded their house. Their version of the events is pretty different than what we saw and, editing not withstanding, some of what they said paints them in a very good light and is pretty doubtful.......That the girls got in by reaching through a doggy door to unlock the door even though that's pretty hard to do and we saw the girls just walk into the house. And that the family was "discussing alternatives" even though you could hear the screaming and arguing from the street as soon as the girls pulled up. They also insist the film crew came back into the house after the police arrived while we saw them on the street filming through the front door. That could have been left out but I have doubts the police would have let that happen or if they did try to come in and the family said No the police would have kicked them out to make sure nothing escalated and they had control of the situation.
The lawsuit was dismissed by the way - the family just stopped filing the paperwork/complaints they needed to submit.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3693106&itype=CMSID
Yea they weren't going to get any place with that so called lawsuit. I can imagine there are reasons they stopped doing what they should to try to keep it going but I would bet anything it was being done in hopes it would not only stop the show (which it wasn't going to happen) but also to try to scare the girls into stopping with the help they give to those that want out (which it wasn't).
On 6/20/2018 at 2:34 PM, KBrownie said:I'm not sure if I mentioned this when the episode with Jennifer, Andrea and Jessica's sister, first aired on A&E, but seeing the update at the end of the most recent airing that she cut off contact with her sisters when she went back to the Order, I found Jennifer to be sort of cruel and manipulative. She played everyone, and I mean everyone, perfectly to get exactly what she wanted: to marry her first cousin.
Don't get me wrong, she was 100% right that she should have the freedom to choose whoever she wanted to marry, but the way she went about it was not cool at all. She took complete advantage of the fact, knowing that Andrea and Jessica help people escape the Order, that her sisters would jump at the chance to help her, the baby sister they had to leave behind when they themselves escaped. All she had to do was play up that the was scared and wanted her freedom and she would have their help guaranteed. Jennifer also took advantage of the fact that her parents wouldn't want to lose another daughter/member to Jessica and Andrea's cause, so they would likely give her what she wanted in exchange for her coming back.
And then she cuts Jessica and Andrea off. That shows, to me at least, that she was never interested in re-establishing sisterly/familial bonds with them whereas you could tell that both Jessica and Andrea were genuinely glad to help her and have her back in their lives again. I found it telling that there were no interviews with either Jessica or Andrea about Jennifer going back. They've commented before when people that they'd helped went back. That probably was a punch in the gut for them both. No matter what their rational mind told them about the chances of her going back, it must have meant a lot to have their sister back only for her to use them as she did.
Oh well. I take some small solace in the fact that Jennifer won't ever see any more of that $60,000 she put into the Order's "bank." That money was long gone. It was probably gone as soon as she put it in there. Not a smart move at all. She was lucky to get as much as she did when she and Andrea had to haggle for that $5,000 of her own damn money when she was still planning on leaving. What kind of bank can't cash one of its own checks? A fake and illegitimate one, no doubt.
I mentioned this in the other thread about these ones and how I feel about it. Its like one one hand its good to show but on the other how many find out about it and will try to take advantage of them or any other group helping those to escape to use and abuse for their own selfish wants. They used this help like a spoiled brat wanting a toy they couldn't have and throwing the tantrum until the sucker parent gives in. I have to hope that the girls would think twice about helping her again in the future if she was to ask. And you are right on about that money she got. There is no way she was ever going to see that 60k. She is lucky to have seen what she did and I bet it was right back in the Order's bank the second she got back....whatever may not have been used that is.
On 6/28/2018 at 8:49 PM, Court said:Did anyone watch the premiere? That girl seemed legitimately terrified. But I never understand why they just don't leave their stuff and run. They spend too much time getting it.
Also, this is listed as episode 3 but only 2 have aired? Really one since the other one wasn't new at all. I saw a commercial for after the escape but can't find it on demand.
Yes I watched. I am not sure why they decided to list repeated ones as new and part of the season. I am a little annoyed about that since they are not new. I know it was explained why they did it but they should have instead done a marathon of the show or played 2-3 each week leading up to the new season. So we see a new one now then a repeat of another right after it but they are calling it part of the season it looks like. SMH
I always wonder why they need whatever as well. In some cases I can see making sure to have a little more then paper work/ids they should have but I would think a bag or 2 packed with clothes and the papers you need to take with is good enough to start with. It could just be that they feel they need more then they do to get started in life outside there and its more of a comfort thing to them, does that make sense? Yet I know I have never understood why the girls never tell them pack 2 bags/papers needed and that is it so its a quick easy in and out in many of these situations.
On 6/28/2018 at 11:11 PM, KBrownie said:Yeah, she was terrified. She was only 17, but was so softspoken and scared as if she had spent her entire life being beaten and subdued into complete submission. That kind of terror doesn't come from a situation/religion where everything is hunky dory like they try to make it out to be. Hopefully, she can build a bond with the family she has outside of The Order. I felt so much for her when she was describing being beat with a board and when she broke down and the interviewer came over and hugged her.
But despite all that, she knew what she needed to do and was determined to get out. She knew that this was her only chance to not be stuck married to a first cousin and pregnant within a year when that's not what she wanted for herself. And to have that added pressure of being the first of her father's 150 (or whatever ridiculous number it was) kids to leave The Order. She was such a contrast to Jennifer who came off as spoiled and manipulative. I wish her nothing but the best. I hated the "To be continued" at the end. I hope she was able to be emancipated from her parents. She was almost 18, had a place to go, there was no reason to send her back to her parents. And she said her father was her mother's uncle? So her father was also her great-uncle and her mother was also her cousin? Ugh. It's no wonder the genes in that family are so strong and they all resemble each other. They're reproducing with each other. I thought "Ava" looked exactly like Andrea, Jennifer, Shanell, and Jessica even though they were cousins and not sisters, but Andrea, Jessa, et. al are probably related to Ava's mother as well since the mother was the niece of the father who is Andrea, Jessica, etc.'s uncle. I would LOVE to get a look at that family tree they keep in their office.
Sadly these people in the Kingston group are all related to each other in some way, shape or form. Remember they are the ones that want to "keep the bloodlines pure" so they marry within their group and not from out of it. I can't imagine going through all that kind of a tree to figure things out. Its hard enough doing my own genealogy but doing one from a group like Kingstons. YIKES! Heck I have seen some crazy stuff in my own and my husband's lines way back. Something else with the mixed relations with this group, how many have medical issues from it? I know Jessica has brought that up before about worries on that when she had her own kids. Even though she married outside that freak group there is always the worry of something when you don't know what your own genes could hold. Its sad for those like her that have to think about that and are trying to lead a normal life away from that crap.
"Ava" broke my heart. I am glad the producer got up and hugged her when she did. How could one not? I wish she would have left when she had the marks from being beaten with the paddle. I am hoping we see she is allowed to get emancipated. I can't imagine what would come if she had to go back.
This is something that has bugged me from the time we heard Jessica talk about how she got out with her sister. Considering it was over being physically abused, how do these courts allow for the other kids to stay in the homes of those that it ends up going that way? I take it this is why these parents don't keep the fight up over the ones that end up in court over it but if this was any of us in a life outside of this sick twisted group, child services would be at the door taking the others. So why not with them as well? Its something that bothers me so much because you know they just move to another one of the kids.
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Not all know its wrong though. The thing is like Galloway Cave said they are brainwashed. From the time they are old enough to understand anything at all they are going to be taught this is the way it is. In the case of the Kingstons, they think they need to keep bloodlines pure. So they basically create the most twisted inbreeding you can think of. Not like this is the only people that have ever done it (think royalty, etc). The difference is that these people are not what they believe they are or try to make others believe. Those of us never raised in such disgust can see it for what it is but those in it are not always going to. Most go along with it because of being told they won't get into heaven if they don't do this or that. If there are to many younger boys they dump them out in the middle of nowhere with very little to fend for themselves. They showed one of the boys that it happened to and sadly he is one of the many that ended up homeless junkie. They tried to help him a few times. I wonder what has become of him since they did that last update on him. From what we have seen of some of the girls that have left, they didn't leave because of thinking it was wrong but they weren't going to be able to marry who they wanted. There has been a few of them they helped leave only to return at some point after because they are told they can marry whichever cousin or whoever. In a sick twisted way its almost like a spoiled brat having a fit over not getting something they wanted so they behave a certain way until they get their way. Those girls are obviously not running away to get out of that disgusting lifestyle but to get the husband they want. Which those few I have a bit of an issue with it being shown. On one hand it shows the hold these groups have on these people but on the other it may encourage others to do the same and waste the time of those that could use the help that want to honestly leave for good, kwim? There is really a lot of questions that are thought of when it comes to the way they are. I always wonder what excuse they give when a boy is not around anymore (because they dumped him) or someone runs away. You can only use the same bs so many times before some (at the very least) might start questioning what is said, right? Yet maybe not because of the brainwashed ways of life. I don't know since I have never lived that kind of life.
I wish I could say the same about the hopes of these groups dying off as they all get older but I doubt it. The amount of children that are born in these groups is not a small number. As long as they can keep the brainwashing going and keep going the way they do there isn't much that will change. Hell even Warren Jeffs is still controlling his group and he is in jail for life. Yet they believe he will get out one day. They still listen to his bs he spouts to whoever visits him and records it. These are 2 groups. There more of them out there as well. When you have disgusting shows like they have on TLC acting like its just a wonderful lifestyle to live its a bit hard to get those watching and buying that crap to see the truth that is really going on. Which btw, I will NEVER EVER watch the bs shows on that channel and am beyond disgusted with them being on.
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You aren't mistaken on the episodes giving you deja vu. I am curious why they are trying to pass these off as new episodes. They are both ones we have seen before. I know the channel switch it might be new to some that might not have watched before but for those of us watching since the beginning this is repeats and NOT new. I am disappointed as I was expecting brand new. If they were going to do this why not do it as updates on past seasons girls/boys? It did look like next week was new though from the one commercial I saw for it.
I am this is ok here but I just looked to see what was up with the repeats and this is on Twitter and explains it for us...
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Forgot to get over here and post it sooner but my DVR did have the show coming on tonight with 2 new episodes. Hopefully those that wanted to watch it were able to catch it if in other time zones (I'm in Pacific so hasn't been on yet). Otherwise I'm sure it will be on demand since they had some from last season on there.
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Rumor is that it is suppose to be this was coming from the drug addict, Sabrina on her SM so who knows. I hope not because she has to many issues and is far from being in a place to deal with life as it is. She had said the show offered to pay for her last stay in rehab but she left being worried her cats would die and she is in a relationship with some guy with the same issues last I read. Toss in the woman abuser and his relationship drama....no thanks. 2 people that do NOT belong on tv at all are those 2. Its like rewarding them for bad behavior if it does come back. Yet I guess that is expect at this point since it is on TLC. SMH
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9 hours ago, Lusterleaf said:
So it appears Jon had taken down his pics he posted of him and Dr. Jessica that caused a flurry of rumors that they are together. I don't think they are together (I think she is a lot older than him?) but I think that he may be on a "second chances" show that Dr. Jessica is filming as well. We know they chose a recent cast member because Derek was b*tching about it on social media that he wasn't picked.
She has been part of the show called Seven Year Switch. Which if she is still part of it she was pulling double duty with the "reality" shows. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Jon and "dr. trauma" were by chance together. Derek needs to just grow up already. Move on and get a real job. Really if Lifetime was smart they would just let Second Chances stay dead. Hell honestly MAFS should just go that way as well at this point. Its become more fake then anything and toss in the so called "experts"....they are the last people that ANYONE should take advice on when it comes to relationships. SMH I'm out on this show. Its disturbing at this point how producers play with the casts and set up their own "storylines" that are far from truth just for the "drama" factor. To those that will keep watching, have fun with it and the snarking!
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On 5/28/2018 at 2:43 PM, Mlle. Kitty said:
Queen, one year has passed since your post and I’m STILL salty that they stopped airing the Aussie eps! ??
Me too! I, also, can't believe they are doing another season of this mess.
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I'm now seeing the new season starts Monday June 18th posted online. I don't see June 4th as having anything on for it like originally it was stated. Hopefully its not pushed back again.
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7 hours ago, Ladyrain said:
HIya, @zoemom! ? Fancy us meeting up in this neck of the woods!
I had no idea that her family was selling her "brand". What a bunch of leechy tools. So now, in addition to rooting for her to finish up third tonight, I also hope she falls flat on her fake face with her kountry karoake kareer.
I wonder how most Pittsburghers feel about that southern drawl of hers. I don't think many of them talk like that. And if I were a true Southerner I'd be pissed at her faking it.
Boy howdy, I hope she doesn't win.
I don't usually add to here but read along most the time. I have to say that I have no clue if this was come across here or not by anyone but if one does a Google search of Gabby and Luke Bryan's name it should be the first thing that pops up is a link to a post on her FB page from July of last year. Its her trying to claim its a song of Luke Bryan's featuring Gabby Barrett.
I will say I am not a fan of country but I REALLY am NOT a fan of someone that whines and sounds nasally when they are singing. That is what she does. I don't know if anyone caught it but during hometown she was singing with the older person (didn't catch who it was but figured grandparent) and she wasn't doing that crap she does during Idol. If she had sounded like that instead of the fake bs she is trying to pull off on Idol it would have been a lot better. Of course she needs to drop the 'tude and learn that she will be faced with criticism over her lifetime and especially in the business of music. She has obviously been VERY catered to by Daddy dearest and the family. I am betting Bobby knew it and that was a big part of why he was saying she needs to cut the cord already.
I will say I hope Maddie or Caleb wins and are the final 2 in the end. I'm not big on the style of music but they have likability and both are very talented in their own styles of music. I don't agree with those that thing someone needs to "work a stage" in order to be up there entertaining. There are plenty of singers that don't and put on amazing shows. Sometimes the singing/music and speak for itself without it needing all the over the top background show or dancing around to go with it.
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6 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:
Thanks! So they are moving the show to Lifetime?
Looks like it from what was posted online but I can't see on my DVR yet as it doesn't get that far. It was originally on that channel to begin with if I remember right. Of course they have played some shows on 2 channels at times so we shall see I guess how this goes. When my DVR shows the channel it records it on I will post. For now I'm just going off what is said online by the show. I'm glad to see it will be back.
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My DVR is picking up a 5 min sneak peak for Season 4 on May 21 in the afternoon. Looked up and sure enough it seems we will see it back June 4th on Lifetime...which my DVR shows the sneak peak on A&E (both channels are owned by the same people though).
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On 4/25/2018 at 1:55 PM, Gobears said:
The Dallas season premieres in July. It seems that Jamie and Nate will appear in that season. I am okay with Jamie appearing but Nate...who thought that was a good idea?
On 4/26/2018 at 9:12 AM, gonecrackers said:Nate was a cheater from the get go; was never in it. Trey was a player who manipulated with a bunch of stupid gifts & cut Vanessa off right after the cameras left. It's quite obvious what the problem was with both of their marriages & neither deserves anymore camera time for this show.
On 4/27/2018 at 3:00 PM, discoprincess said:There was emphasis on faith during the marriage too. Wasn't that a factor in matching him with Sheila? I'm pretty sure that coveting other women while one is married is a part of that faith though.
It all made sense to me once the cheating allegations came out. Furthermore, the editing basically gaslit Sheila by making her look crazier than Nate. Poor Sheila.
Exactly!!! Both those guys were horrible picks but it shows what MAFS likes when they decide on who to pick for matches doesn't it? I am disgusted that they would ask Nate to come back and do that sort of think with Jamie. Sitting there in the pick with Nate like Jamie is, all smiles, shows how much of a fame whore she is by being ok with working with him by her side.
And DiscoPrincess, yes there was a lot of faith this and faith that out of their mouths. And it was used as well in keeping Sheila there too by Nate and calvin. It was another disgusting display of how low MAFS is willing to go to keep the bs going IMO. Now they want him to offer up advice? Guess MAFS is ignoring that many (if not most) MAFS viewers know he was cheating from day one and will be pissed he is around. Yet at the same time we have an "expert" that left a husband to go sleep around with strange men for years and now is married to a man she doesn't live with because she claims they not only don't want to have to compromise on a new place and decorating but she doesn't want her "assistant" to have to live with them both. As well as a so called "Pastor" that reminds us all the only way out is divorce but yet we should always stick with the man no matter what is going on. Toss in the way they decide to match for drama and sadly it figures they would ask Nate to come give advice.
On 4/26/2018 at 11:36 AM, Stinamaia said:I am sorry I ever liked Nate, and sorry I never understood Sheila’s tense, “You don’t want to have this conversation on camera” moments. I can’t understand why the show would have him on
I didn't like him from the get go. The fact that pepper laughed off the shoes in the trunk of his car during her visit really showed the viewers how little they care on who they pick and what goes on. To me it was obvious something was amiss in those fights. More so since it was always one sided and when we had the THs of Nate with his "tears" it never felt genuine but more playing up for the viewers to "pity him".
On 4/26/2018 at 12:19 PM, 2727 said:As to why she said she wanted to continue on decision day-- producer pressure, not wanting to admit failure, not wanting to undercut Ryan and publicly embarrass him, knowing she could still leave at any time in private, and maybe still having a shred of hope that Ryan would change and this wasn't another crushing emotional blow for her.
I am going with the producer pressure on it. I think this is why most that shouldn't stay together do. Maybe they give them a little kick back for lasting up to a year....we will never know but there was no way they would have made it for long and it was a given with his behavior.
On 4/27/2018 at 3:52 PM, crazychicken said:How convenient that a pregnancy is annnounced and Jamie's knees unlock, enjoy Doug cause once she has her brood you will be celibate for life.
*cough* attention whore *cough*
4 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:Or her old boyfriend
LMAO Kiss My Mutt
I was thinking the same Crazychicken. LOL Can't have Shawniece take the attention away now can she? SMH
On 4/27/2018 at 10:51 AM, Lily247 said:Shawniece and Jephte having a baby together at this point worries me.
I'm fully expecting MAFS producers to soon have their very first #MAFSdivorcebaby
Yea I do hope for the best because there is now going to be a baby involved but its far to soon considering it was only a few months after filming was over.
On 4/27/2018 at 1:12 PM, Peper81 said:I watched the second chance thing and it wasn't very good. Neither of the two participants from MAFS came off looking better. In fact, they ended up looking a lot worse. Honestly, the reunion was the only entertaining part to me because the girls really gave it to David for his behavior and phoniness.
That was beyond scripted bs IMO. I agree it made them each come out looking worse then one would have thought after watching their season. So IF they ever did another round of that show it will be even worse then what the 1st season was I would bet. My understand is Derek has been begging and pleading on SM since the 1st season to let him on it. *rollseyes* Speaking of which that dude chiming in on Chili watching MAFS....figures....dude is so desperate for attention from it still. He needs to move on already. His time has come and thankfully, gone. LOL
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7 hours ago, antfitz said:
Jephite I think is too self centered. And he doesn't love her he said some. Be like sir, that's not enough. I don't know exactly when this took place, but I think more towards last summer or last fall so she could very easily have been pregnant before she met him.
I don't think he is self centered. I thought he got the shit edit from the get go in the season and by close to the end started coming off more mature then the rest of the cast. And of course he doesn't love her at that point. 8 weeks and he is suppose to magically be in love ? I would bet she wasn't in love with him yet either at that time. They obviously care for each other but love takes time for many. Especially more so when you are still in that getting to know you phase of a relationship.
They had supposedly started filming them around August of last year so wrapping it up middle to end of October/maybe beginning of November. The pic at the bottom of the People article has her full on side view so you can see she is probably in her 2nd trimester from how she is showing. Could be further but no idea since we don't know when exactly that picture was taken either. Yet I imagine the box gift she is giving him is telling him she is pregnant. IMO considering they weren't in love at the end of the show and the timing for when she might have gotten pregnant is risky for the relationship. Like I said she looks to me like she is maybe around 5 months...maybe 6?? and if so she would have gotten pregnant long a month or 2 after the show ended. I think no matter how things go between the 2 in the future that he is a stand up kind of guy when it comes to family. I hope that having a baby will mellow her out some.
2 hours ago, Gobears said:No, later in the same Twitter thread, he said that it's something else. I'm guessing the twist is that he's doing the Second Chances show.
LOL If that was the case we know from the first go around of that shitfest how it would go and seems to bring out a different side to those folks.
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7 hours ago, Gobears said:
I can't believe it's taken this many seasons for one of the participants to be pregnant before the show's finale airs. Jephte's definitely the father or why would the show/production company let People magazine do a news story about it complete with photo shoot right before the finale? "Recreate little Shawnieces" sounds a little bit narcissistic but it is part of a biological drive to pass on your genes.
6 hours ago, StayingAfterSunday said:Of course it's going to be Jephte's kid. Even so, the question remains as to whether they are still married.
5 hours ago, Gobears said:A lot of short women have tall children. I'm surprised people still want their children to play football what with all the news out there about CTE. Better to funnel those kids into baseball, soccer or basketball. I think Jephte and Shawniece are still together. He's defending her from negative comments on Twitter.
I am one of those women. I'm 5'1 and my 16 yr old is about 6'1. Yes he plays basketball. Which btw, one takes a beating in those games as well. While its not like football, there are those that have had concussions from it (SIL's daughter had one from being slammed to the ground by another player). I saw over the weekend my son's eye get poked, which took him out of the game for a bit, and one of his teammates get elbowed so hard in the face his teeth were hurting (luckly not broken) and gave him a bloody nose. Soccer is just as bad as football IMO. Baseball can be a safer option (son played that too) but hell they get hit with those balls and it can leave a mark (been there with him). LOL
I think the show let it out today on purpose. It leaves viewers that see that wondering if they are together or not. Yet really its after next week when most of these couples really spill the beans on if they are or not if we look at some past MAFS seasons. It also leaves viewers to wonder if Jephte is the father or not as well btw. Yet good luck to him...and more so if its a girl.
What was a little much IMO was the fact she went to the ER over not feeling good and found out. SMH She also looks like she could be about 5 months along in that pic of her bump...maybe 6....wonder what is going through Jamie's mind. LOL
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On 4/13/2018 at 11:01 PM, biakbiak said:
She doesn't dispute what led up to it and clearly told the therapist a version of that stiry that didn't say Jon did anythong wrong.
Like I said all we got are little snippets of things and we aren't seeing the whole story but only what producers want to tell. No matter what there is to much missing in this like there is in past seasons when issues pop up with couples that get filled with "drama". Its a typical pattern this show has.
On 4/14/2018 at 8:21 AM, lezlers said:I don't think I've ever heard anyone ask a woman who has been verbally abused by her partner "what did you say to bring it on yourself?" I've noticed that people who dislike Jon for whatever reason have been asking this question on message boards and on SM. But when I point out that if the genders were reversed no one would dare ask that, I never really get a response. Also, I would imagine that if Jon did anything crazy to bring on Molly's nasty little rant, she'd be the first one shouting it from the rooftops, since she's the queen of making herself a victim. She had an opportunity to explain what happened and only said it "wasn't a big deal" and that she "wouldn't change anything." If he said anything truly heinous or that would have justified her calling him disgusting, telling him he makes her skin crawl and mocking him being upset, I have no doubt we would've heard about it from her by now.
I don't think anyone in this "relationship" is being truly verbally abused. I've been on the side of that from taking it from a parent so know what TRUE verbal abuse is. Yet this is a not so real TV show that is going to show snippets of things they want. Things get twisted and turned like crazy to make who the producers want to look like a "victim" or good or bad. Or a crazy loon. How many times last year was Sheila going off on Nate and people were calling her crazy and saying she has issues or treating him horrible. Meanwhile we weren't getting any story at all on what was up. Just an edit that she was upset again with Nate. It couldn't come out until well after the season that he was with another woman from the get go. Which I will bet the show knew considering he had a pair of shoes in his car for one and it was laughed off. Heather/Derek is another we got no story on and how many were all "poor Derek" and "ice queen Heater" when really he was an drugged up angry asshole. There was no poor Derek from me and there was no poor Nate from either. There are glimpses of looks and bits of things said at times that slip through because editing has so much to work with when trying to hide the truth of what is going on....and those looks and way some things are said sometimes give the person away on not being innocent in everything. Its why I don't jump on the "poor Jon" train. More so considering it was said how he was running around in front of her in little barely there undies. Dude is no victim in my book at all. IMO there is no victim in this. BTW, not sure where Molly had a place to really give her side to things considering the show will edit everything the way they want and for it to fit "producer story". With telling it to SM, I don't follow it since I don't have accts on it but the facts are they are also under a contract on a show that might not let them just tell their side so easily either. Remember they pulled Sheila's SM acct linked to the show when she started going off about things. You don't think they tightened up in that area after last season? They seem to tightened lots of things up to prevent them from going on in the future seasons.
BTW, I don't are if its a guy or girl on either end of things, when we get snippets of stuff and its got questionable things going on then I would ask the same questions. Heck I think Jephte has been pretty much given a shitty edit this season as well. The edits on him have him say something and people go off like he is some angry man ready to explode if he doesn't get his way but we don't get the whole context in why he said something in the moment. I don't think he is some angry man ready to fly off the handle like some do. My whole thing is I obviously don't watch the show the same as some do so I will question what we are missing when its obvious to me there is something amiss. While others will just go by what is show and not question it. That is fine and dandy. Just as some don't care to read spoilers, or know what goes on behind the scenes with production and so on....and then there are some of us that do. No right or wrong on which way one wants to be there.
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On 4/12/2018 at 7:18 AM, suzeecat said:
We never really know what the editing doesn't show. I'm also wondering if there was more to Jon's video that wasn't shown on the show. He could have recorded more of what led up to what we saw, but they only used the most graphic part. Also, if it was recorded by the crew, would Molly have been so openly hostile?
I'm just saying the way it looks doesn't look like one recorded it off their phone. Yet depending on what led her to be that way I don't doubt she would in front of the crew. Yet that is the thing, what went on before it to lead up to the part we saw?
On 4/12/2018 at 8:04 AM, holly4755 said:99% of what people record is boring. I know this from watching far too many video's pf people/s children. This is a TV show, not a court of law, they just ct to the chase because no one is going to sit and listen to a video of a conversation about weather or what are you going to drink or what is the best character at disneyworld,
While true this is a bit different then watching people yapping away or their kids doing something. There is ALWAYS more to what is going on with a "reality" show then what we get...especially with MAFS. It has proven that is the case in everything that goes on during fights/issues when you look at the show's history of bsing the viewers. MAFS gladly edits things to tell thing the way the producer wants it to go and not what the truth is. I doubt he even recorded anything himself. It looked more like MAFS did.
On 4/12/2018 at 11:28 AM, Peper81 said:I don't know whether it really was or wasn't recorded but Molly and Jon don't seem to disagree on what led up to the argument. They both seem to agree that she was talking to someone else and he didn't like it. His take is that she was ignoring him and her take is that she didn't hear him. Either way, not really the point. If he did have that part recorded, I can see why it was edited out because that's not really what this whole thing is about. I, personally, think what we should have been shown is more of what was said by Jon, Molly and the expert after the video was played. I am sure more was said than what we were shown because Molly's comment about Jon twisting her words doesn't make any sense based on what we were shown as the only thing shown when all three were together was what happened on the video. I feel like Molly was referring to the "making my skin crawl" statement but that wasn't brought up when the three were all together from what we were shown but I do think it was discussed and not televised. That comment seemed to be huge for Jon when he was along with the expert and in the talking head so I feel like it was discussed but edited out later.
If something was recorded before the Molly part it might be important to what was going on. That stuff doesn't just happen for no reason. Yet I do agree that we didn't get the whole thing with the "expert" and them either. It was chopped up as usual to fit whatever the producers want so we are suppose to believe what they want and that Molly is evil. I don't buy it though. Was Molly asked about that comment? Was there a lot of bs flying by all 3 not shown? "Expert" stepping over the line? Things that came out that might not fit into trying to make Jon look like a "victim"? There is so many questions that aren't not going to get answers because it just doesn't fit with how the producers want these people to look in the end. Yet I would bet with how it was looking in moments that conversation with the 3 probably would have been tv worthy...fitting with producers view or not.
On 4/12/2018 at 11:57 AM, Jack Sampson said:Her head doesn't look attached to her body.
LOL It does seem that way in the pic.
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2 hours ago, Stinamaia said:
Molly is expert at casting herself as the victim. She did it in the show by basically ignoring her ugliness in the video and turning into a “betrayal” and Jon’s twisting her words.
I’ll need receipts from Molly from now on.
Yet where is the part on what went on before he started recording? From the time people started recording things that would happen in the real world when something would go on, I've always noticed its never from the beginning of what is going on but the part the person wants others to see so they can play victim or whoever in the video that is their buddy can play victim. Otherwise why not record what they say and do beforehand? Just say there is more then one side to this story and we are NOT even close to getting it all. As well as I'm not buying he decided on his own to even record anything considering what we saw was obviously filmed and edited by the show....it screams producer/edit all over it with the lame scramble look to it and quality of it. SMH So whatever this show is trying to sell us again in the bs department, I'm not buying it.
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4 hours ago, humbleopinion said:
Do not have SM so don't look at me...
No breaking the 4th wall...
Thou shalt not contact reality show cast members on their SM.
LOL I don't think most here would.
54 minutes ago, Gobears said:No wedding band for Jaclyn in this photo of her with a Love at First Flight participant. Hope it means that she left Ryan for good.
I hope so. Got to love how they make sure the other shows on have their people meet up with each other to help promote other shows. LOL
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Just now, Gobears said:
Wow, people are apparently sending Molly death threats. Crazy...
Sadly it doesn't surprise me. We have seen some crazies in the past with this show as well. I didn't like Season 3's Ashley but she got them as well if I remember right and I wouldn't be surprised if Heather had too. Its sick and sad that some don't see how wrong that is to wish such things on people. They are not made up characters on a show. Its also edits we see and nothing that is a whole story. SMH I don't believe in sending these people messages to harassed or name call either. Its one thing to discuss the show on forums, SM with friends or others that watch but when you take it directly to these people and start behaving in a bad manner or worse its time to step away from the show and SM. I don't like some of these folks that have been on the bad end of SM (like Ryan or S3 Ashley) but grow up people!
This stuff just proves more and more how SM is the downfall of humans.
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On 3/20/2018 at 7:38 PM, GaT said:
Looks like Mellie got arrested again
She must really miss the Gypsy Sisters money, & I have a feeling she's going to be in jail for a long time.
I wouldn't be surprised if she blew through that money the second she got each check. Drugs, booze, etc. I feel for the kids but sadly they will be raised to be just like this. It sounds like she is wanted in a more states then the 2 she has been arrested in for this. Who the hell gives this idiot money to go fund her bail? Do they feel stupid for her getting arrested soon after for the same thing or do they try to just give more money to get her out again? SMH
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On 4/9/2018 at 4:10 PM, Kiss my mutt said:
He’s probably sorry for the reaction he’s getting.
Exactly!!! He can't handle the truth being tossed at him so its "bullying". SMH
That MAFSFAN probably got blocked by some because of how they behave in SM towards some of the cast on the show. They have proven them self to not exactly be anything more then someone trying to gain some attention off a low budget "reality" show IMO. This person is no one special to expect to not be included in being blocked by ones if they are a jerk to them or trying to harass to get info from them. So a bit hypocritical there I think. And eeeeeww on that pic of Ryan....dude needed to wait on the beer or at least leave outside the bathroom. Gross!
And so its sounding like Jaclyn got suckered into sticking it out with Ryan at the end. SMH
5 hours ago, Lusterleaf said:I just saw a clip where Molly calls Jon disgusting and Jon tapes it (Thinking it airs tonight?). Doesn't really put Molly in a favorable light there...
Yet I bet he didn't record or catch why she called him disgusting. If its not on a recording what he did to be called that then who knows what behaviors he had going. Always 3 sides to a story, right? Her's, His and the Truth. Yet the way that thing up above reads, it sounds almost scripted and one of those set ups to try to gain viewers back that might fall off during the season that come back for the end. BTW, the cat was in at least in 1 or 2 scenes in the shared apartment. That was awhile ago. I really wish this show would let people go that decided it wasn't going to work but then of course they couldn't push for some "drama" to go down otherwise if they did. SMH
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On 4/7/2018 at 10:48 AM, humbleopinion said:
EvilQ...don't go.....Dallas will be a hoot and a holler and Philly's rough and tumble attitude of their residents have so much snark potential...
If you cannot..at least we had Boston.....
Humble yes we had Boston and the past ones.
13 hours ago, gonecrackers said:This show's track record has created odds in favor of divorce; after so many seasons now there's no excuse for someone not to be at least somewhat aware of what they're getting into signing on. The participants also have an awareness of SM in our culture. They should know what people can be like & what can happen putting yourself out there intentionally. People can be cruel, it sucks, but they don't need to even see someone on TV to do that. If someone is going do a 'marriage experiment' on TV, at the very least good natured snarking is to be expected.
Sadly though many seem to go beyond that though. Not all obviously but some get a bit to much and scary like about it, kwim? I wouldn't be surprised if it gets that way for one this coming up week. SMH
Aftermath in the Media
in Leah Remini: Scientology And The Aftermath
https://abc7.com/2-officers-shot-suspect-killed-in-inglewood/5221091/ This was just on the news here tonight. So now its a question of is he just some crazy that walked in off the street doing this or part of the cult or former member?