[S04.E17: Reunion (Part 2)]

I think it's dangerous & frankly intellectually lazy to label someone as a racist.  As I understand it, racists believe that they are superior to others simply by virtue of their race.  I don't necessarily think LeeAnne thinks she's better than Kary because Kary is from Mexico. I think LeeAnne would have disliked Kary regardless of her national and racial heritage.  Personally, I would call LeeAnne an emotionally unintelligent woman who used (uses?) racially charged language.  Very much like I would say Brandi is a dumbass, but not necessarily a racist.

I think most everyone would be hard pressed to stand up & swear, so help me God, that we've never said something that could be considered racially or morally offensive.  It doesn't make it right, but at some point there has to be room the be human and make mistakes.  The bigger issue to me is that LeeAnne doubles down and has no remorse for what she says or does but is terribly terribly sorry to think there will be consequences.

As far as Jeremy and D'Andra go, the VA is a complicated system.  Someone may have various issues that cause them to be varying classifications of 100% disabled. My dad received a 70% rating for 1 issue and a 40% disabled rating for another, yet still wasn't classified as 100% disabled even though is individual disabilities added up to 110%.  I would imagine Jeremy's 100% rating is probably from PTSD given that he's done 5 tours and it's not surprising that D'Andra would go with sleep apnea rather than PTSD to speak about publicly.

 

 

[S09.E20: Un Petit Hangover]

2 minutes ago, AUJulia said:

IIRC the issue was that Mauricio was introduced to high end Cali real estate by Rick Hilton, and then while still working there he tried to surreptitiously create his own agency without telling Rick about it, but when Rick found out, Mo agreed not to poach agents from Rick’s company, but Mo didn’t keep his word and tried to recruit agents away from Rick’s. 

I think the “Mauricio swiped agents/clients” thing is always blown out of proportion. Agents are 1099 not W2 employees and in many markets switch brokers pretty fluidly. And clients are the client of the agent, not the broker, so they tend to move with agent - most don’t care what sign is in their yard so long as the house sells.

[S09.E19: Thirst Impressions]

1 hour ago, Pansy said:

Hi everyone. New here but have read practically every thread going concerning the Beverley Hill’s housewives, thank you for being so entertaining! 

Two things: 

I’m in the UK and had always thought Beverley Hills was on the west coast until I discovered otherwise today! My head is a bit messed up by that! 

Kyle is irritating the bejesus out of me - the pretentious, fake twat. Can I say twat on here?

BH is on the West Coast.

Yes on Kyle!

[S09.E18: Pardon Our French]

I don't get why Kyle can't just say, "you came in to my home and insulted my sister at a family event and that is offensive, regardless of if you said it as Lisa Rinna, Erika Jayne or Big Bird."  Oh wait, yes I do, because then we couldn't have a whole scene of Teddi on the verge of tears, Dorit rolling her eyes, Erika looking pissed and Rinna giving us bullshit about how the Erika Jayne persona gave her the confidence to speak up for herself.

[S09.E18: Pardon Our French]

WTF is with these women and their damn well-done beef??

[Who Will Stop Watching?]

I'll probably watch. I'll have an infant when the next season airs, and what the hell else will I have to do and it provides a nice opportunity to drink wine and talk shit on people I don't actually know. 

However, I am not that pumped about the idea of Kathy Hilton joining.  It makes me uncomfortable when family members are on - one of the reasons I couldn't watch NJ.  The Kim/Kyle dynamic was bad enough.  I just hate to watch people who actually do love each other and have a real tie to one another be able to see how the other talks shit on them when they're not around.

For me, the ideal scenario would be for next season to drop Teddi, Rinna and Denise (I just find her kind of gross- like maybe she doesn't bathe regularly- and anyone who is friends with Brandi is a pass for me).  Keep Kyle, Camille and Dorit  (I'm just waiting for her to get an eviction notice like Lynn & Frank and then she can go), cast 2 new women and somehow entice LVP to film as a friend with the two newbies and then have some sort of big arc where she makes up with Kyle and Dorit and returns in the heavy friend of capacity for following seasons like Camille has been previously.  

[S09.E13: Grilling Me Softly]

19 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I hate how she talks about Kelsey. Cheating isn’t cool, but neither is humiliating the father of your children like that. Even if there were no kids involved, those classless cheap shots are gross. When she was being mean about LVP she was drunk, but she’ll say anything about Kelsey even when she’s sober. I didn’t like it when she made ugly comments about him years ago, but I cut her slack because the pain was fresh. This many years later, enough is enough.

Totally agree!  To be honest, I hate when women bad mouth their ex's in general...to me, it only makes them look stupid because they were willing to put up with that shit for however long.  They had a tough divorce, everyone knows it, but if she's happily moved on, then she needs to move one - not talk shit about 50% of the make up of her kids' DNA.

[S09.E13: Grilling Me Softly]

2 minutes ago, BluBrd47 said:

Camille is SO thirsty. She’s literally been on every season of this franchise, doing anything to get back on camera. She’s as bad as TMCFR. It seems like she wants to be back but for some reason Andy won’t go for it. I’ve always wondered why.

Andy has said they’ve asked her to come back full time every year, but she has always declined for one reason or another.

[Teddi Jo Mellencamp Arroyave: She Rides Horses, Not Cougars]

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

 I don’t think this would have ever happened if John Blizzard hadn’t texted Teddi and Teddi thought the main housewife was trying to get this story out due to Dorit’s alleged awful treatment of a puppy. 

Teddi repeatedly admitted to being mean and judgmental and said her hands weren’t clean. I don’t think she has to own that she was the mastermind of getting this story out to make Dorit look bad when she wouldn’t even know about it had it not been for LVP’s camp. Whether or not LVP knew, or John Blizzard himself entirely stirred it up, is another story.  

Agreed, however, she doesn't have to drag LVP through the mud with her.  She didn't have any direct contact with Lisa about the dog story and her proof is a few weak text messages from John Blizzard who doesn't seem like the brightest crayon in the box.  Teddi doesn't need to own being a mastermind, but she does need to own that she willingly chose to behave in a way that she now regrets without trying to qualify that she only acted that way because LVP influenced her/manipulated her in to it.  The cute "oh because I wouldn't go through with your plan" and back and forth "i feel betrayed by you" at Camille's birthday party just goes to show that Teddi isn't owning anything, she's saying her hands aren't clean, with the implication that they aren't clean because LVP made her put mud on them.

[Teddi Jo Mellencamp Arroyave: She Rides Horses, Not Cougars]

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

Teddi seems like a good person - it’s too bad she fell into LVP’s sticky web, but she owned her part and sincerely apologized, exhibiting two qualities LVP sorely lacks. Hope Teddi returns next season!

6 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I like Teddi too. Let’s say she was wrong about LVP having any involvement with the dog storyline, I still don’t think Teddi is the worst. At the most, she would have misunderstood texts and thought Dorit had the storyline coming and then thought LVP was being the manipulative chess player she’d heard about.

Teddi hasn’t slapped anyone, poured wine in anybody's face, outed a secret about a cast member’s child, put anything super personal about a cast member on blast, mocked anyone’s breath or appearance, said a friend was a gassy snore she didn’t want to share a room with, had a meltdown where she goes berserk on someone who’s been nothing but sweet to her, threatened to f*** up another housewife, etc. Almost all the women have been guilty of these things and more. I’m not saying Teddi’s perfect, but I think she’s a nice girl who made a mistake. It happens to the best of us, and she owned it. 

I also think she should be cut some slack because most of these women are older and more experienced with reality TV. LVP has two decades on her. Teddi could be her daughter. She’s not much older than Pandora and the VP Rules cast. 

I disagree on some of this.  Teddi only "owned it" if Lisa did, in fact, plot to out Dorit by using Teddi- something, that while we may think happened, we don't have any actual evidence occurred.  I think I would give Teddi more credit if she said, "I heard about Lucy, and given my issues with Dorit, found I was more than willing to gossip about it and judge her.  I feel badly and I'm sorry." By trying to say that she only acted this way because LVP wanted her to, she's not owning anything, other than the fact that she's an easily influenced, immature person. And the fact that she's hell bent on making Lisa admit that she masterminded the whole thing is just another way she's trying to deflect from her own participation.  

[S09.E12: The Ultimate Ultimatum]

3 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I get what you are saying but does she claim to not know her employees that work for her on VDR tho? Her employees are like family to her if you follow what she does on VDR...... she specifically said she didn't know john or anything about him no clue who he really was but was totally ok with this "stranger" lying and using her name to do it and not in the least worried that he might do it again esp with track records of CLOSE friends and employees doing it to her in the past? Something smells and its not the day old fish from her restaurant

I disagree.  I think she was saying "I don't know him" meaning she wasn't socially acquainted with him.  Of course she knew him an professional capacity, he mans the front desk and coordinated the smaller fundraiser events, but that doesn't make him someone she "knows".  I also don't think he needed to be fired...she employs mostly 20-somethings in the restaurant industry and at a non-profit, not exactly places where she's really paying the big bucks for top-notch talent.  At the time she had the conversation with John, it looked like everything was going to blow over (the article hadn't come out), so true to her personality, she gave him a scolding and moved on.

[S09.E12: The Ultimate Ultimatum]

16 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Since when did it become a thing to suggest that loyalty in friendship is believing the worst of your friends and still wanting to be friends with them anyway? lol. I cannot wrap my head around Kyle and Dorit wanting to sort things out with LVP if they truly believe that she would do these kinds of things. I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be friends with anyone who I, in my heart, felt would manipulate me and our friendship for their own benefit and worse, be willing to throw me under the bus for any reason.

I think Kyle is very genuine with her children and family but I also think that a very hands-on approach is a subconscious way to soothe her own anxiety over what her importance is in her family and in her relationships in general. I think she values feeling needed and so while she is nurturing her family, I wonder if she realizes that she probably gains more from it than they do.

Ken saying Lisa never lies...oh come on. Not a single woman on this show can claim they never lie because they've all been caught on camera doing it at one point or another. What a stupid thing to say. Also, Lisa was eating sashimi with a knife and fork, LOL. I don't know the timeline of Ken, Lisa and PK's friendship but it was very obvious that PK felt the most invested in sorting things out.

To be fair, it was Nigiri which should be eaten by hand or with chopsticks. Her restaurant probably doesn't have chopsticks and eating with her hands may make her uncomfortable, oh well.

Ken comes on strong, for sure,  but I think my husband would have my back in this sort of situation, too.  I think a true friend gives another friend the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any legitimate proof.  Just "thinking" that it must have been Lisa who gave the story, or someone in her camp, isn't proof.  I'm not saying they need the sort of proof that holds up in court, but something more than a group consensus is necessary, in my opinion, to accuse a friend of something like this. If Kyle and Dorit are truly the friends they claim to be, they could have asked her if she leaked the story, or knew anything about it, and when she said "no" then that needed to be the end of it.  

Again- why is everyone letting Dorit, the domino that started this whole chain of events, off the hook?  I don't blame anyone for realizing that pet ownership isn't for them, or wanting to remove an animal they feel is a threat to their children, but she knew the best option was to return Lucy to VDP Dogs and she chose not to do so, this is all on her.

[S09.E08: Showdown at Villa Rosa]

15 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Oh, I don't like LVP.  I cannot stand her.  I am so glad she's leaving the show.  I think she's phony.  I would rather someone be an asshole than pretend to be real, and to be an asshole.  I find her odd to look at, and have since the beginning.  I believe she and her small husband have had their fair share of lawsuits.  I dislike the way LVP treats her peers one way, and treats other people--average Joes, if you will--another.  That is the height of snobbery.  If she leaves and the show gets cancelled, that's fine--I have quite a few other things with which to occupy my time on Tuesday nights.  Until that happens, I am happy to watch the show and comment on it. Has LVP done some great things for some dogs?  Yes, and I applaud her for it.  It doesn't change my overall opinion about her. 

I'm not particularly invested in the facts that this may not have been the best way and time for the rest of the cast to tell Lisa that they're sick of her--I'm just glad it's coming and it's here.  There are several other members of the cast--Dorit and Erika being two of them--who I believe are next up for a comeuppance.  I will watch until that happens and beyond. I may even comment.  And my comments will most definitely come from a different perspective from other people's.  I don't necessarily need reminders or updates about that.  I respect differences of opinion.  I'm not as keen on corrections as to how I am supposed to perceive the show.  Thanks all the same though!

I don't think that's confirmed?  Maybe I missed it?  

I also would like for Erika and Dorit to get their comeuppance, but I think I could handle them just not being on the show, instead.  Erika is totally boring to me, like watching paint dry, so if she's not going to get a season with a "bad edit" then I'd just as soon she was off my TV all together.

[S09.E08: Showdown at Villa Rosa]

9 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

Yes, I know. That’s why I’ve had select items photographed and appraised. My question is more why some of the items that Kyle claims were of sentimental value, rather than monetary value, were photographed. I don’t photograph jewelry under a certain value because it’s covered by my regular policy (no riders or appraisals needed). Maybe Kyle and I have a very different idea of what costume jewelry is.

I photograph everything, even my clothing, and keep it all in a file labeled with where it was purchased, when it was purchased and how much it cost.  I also photograph receipts and put them in with the item pictures.  All it takes is one homeowners claim to make you paranoid about ensuring you get the full value of anything lost.  I have special riders for my expensive jewelry, fur coat (left to me, not purchased), etc. but I also want to document anything else I bring in to the house.  We had a flood a couple of years ago and I was shocked by the amount of proof they wanted and the detail we needed to go in to in order to receive replacement compensation.  I even wound up claiming some toilet paper and an old set of hot rollers, yes, petty things, but I paid for them and could no longer use them - the little things add up and if you're paying all this money every year for insurance, why not be able to get the full value of the loss?

[S11.E05: Shark Bait]

45 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Well but Tinsley admitted at the reunion that Scott was paying for the apartment in the hotel, so...

I think that was only the one they were living in together- when they moved up to the two bed.  She paid for the one bedroom and I assume that once they gave up the two bed and she moved back to a single she's paying again.

[S09.E06: Fifty Shades Of Shade]

Teddi has confused the concept of being set up with being a coconspirator. She willingly went along with everything & then got pissed LVP left her holding the bag (allegedly).  Now she’s spouting off about proof...but her only proof is that she was gossiping with a guy who claimed LVP gave him the go-ahead. John Blizzard could have said the Pope told him to tell Teddi, but it doesn’t make it true. The texts don’t serve as legitimate proof.  Teddi made up her mind that she must have been taken in by LVP’s evil plot & she’s betting everything she has on it because she doesn’t want to admit that she could willingly agreed to do something she now feels bad about without being coerced.

Do I think LVP more than likely wanted Teddi to get the info, yes. But no one can prove it.

[S09.E06: Fifty Shades Of Shade]

Regardless of if Camille, Rinna or Teddi were told to bring something up on camera, I don’t really care. They’re all adults and knew what they were agreeing to was basically exposing something about a coworker on TV. When you agree to do something dirty, you have to own that responsibility & understand that you may get left holding the bag while your co-conspirator gets off free. I get that they’re pissed she didn’t hold up her end of the pile on, but they can’t try & blame shift when they’re just as guilty.

LVP’s main fault is that she picks little soldiers who are willing to roll on her when they start to feel the heat.

What I don’t get about Teddi, is that as soon as she saw that LVP wasn’t going to contribute at the dog center, she could have very easily dropped it & either let it die or let LVP figure out how to expose Dorit on her own. It reminds me of how she ran & told Rinna about Dorit & PK talking shit last year & went on & on about Dorit being late. She’s Miss Mountain out of a Molehill.

[S09.E05: The Proof Hurts]

7 minutes ago, izabella said:

Wow.  Denise isn't very smart, is she?  I hope this was just a photo op and she didn't actually go anywhere on a motorcycle like that. 

In the caption, she says she wore a helmet. 

[Lisa Rinna: These are the Lips of her Life]

55 minutes ago, link417 said:

To be fair, the fact that you get them every year does not mean it has always been as prominent as this year. FWIW, I genuinely asked that question because if it has, I’m left wondering what the hell I’ve been doing every year around this time to completely miss it the past few decades?

Clearly, my mileage varies greatly from everyone else’s because I didn’t hear her laughing derisively; to me, she was laughing out of surprise, maybe even bewilderment? It was impolite, to be sure, but I would never accuse Rinna of having any great social grace.

At any rate, just my $.02 on the matter.

Maybe you've always noticed it, but because it's normal & no big deal, it didn't stick in your brain as something unusual to remember?

I've always found Lisa R. a mildly amusing person who is easily lead and not afraid to be the source of drama and I appreciate her hustle, but she lost me for good with this.

[Lisa Rinna: These are the Lips of her Life]

9 hours ago, link417 said:

Same - I love Rinna and I don’t care to explain why.

Re: the Lent thing — has the tradition of ash on the forehead always enjoyed such prominence? I’ve been alive 32 years and this is the first I’m seeing it, period, and apparently Rinna in her advanced age is surprised to see it on public figures on national television.

Well, we get them every year, so yes.  And I've never known of anyone to wipe them off and have definitely seen public officials, news personalities, etc proudly wear theirs for years.  Even if I hadn't, knowing that it has to do with religion and not just a fashion choice, I would never make fun of it.  Rinna CLEARLY knows ashes on Ash Wednesday are associated with Catholicism, which is why it is so offensive, it's not like she had no idea what was going on. 

[Lisa Rinna: These are the Lips of her Life]

55 minutes ago, druzy said:

This is just ridiculous.  Are they each getting a cut out of Teddi's business?  Or Erika's makeup deal?  Or did they each get a piece of American Woman?  All of those came about because of the show.  And let's be real- no one has even accused LVP of pushing the dog thing to make it a story line.  Even if she DID tell John Blizzard to tell Teddi, Teddi is the one who is responsible for what she chose to do with that information.  So far as we've seen on the show, Rinna, Teddi and Kyle have refused to let the Puppy Story drop, not LVP, so they're the ones who consciously chose to drive the story line.  They all claim it's "unscripted", so are they now going to say production told them not to let it die? 

[S09.E04: Bahama Drama]

2 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

as far as I'm aware you can't delete texts once sent. I just tried on my iphone - nada. And the screenshot doesn't look like it was manipulated in photoshop (or similar program). Looks more like JB texts in brief snippets. I've done that before and had similar texts sent to me. Like having an additional thought before the person responds...

You can on an iPhone.  Just hold down on one text bubble, click "more" and then you can pick and choose which texts to delete.

[S09.E04: Bahama Drama]

After watching and reading the texts, I think it all went down something like this:

Quote

One of the Johns - Lucy was dumped in a shelter, I'm telling everyone so everyone knows what bad people Dorit and PK are!!!!

Ken- Tell no one.

Lisa - I don't care who you tell, just get the dog out of the shelter.

One of the Johns- I told Teddi!!!!!!

Lisa- Great, maybe if I tell Dorit that then she'll finally call me back and tell me what actually happened.

Teddi- I've been used!!!!!

I just don't see it as some huge plot to make Dorit look bad.  If it was, then Lisa would have been more than OK with the others continuing to bring it up.  You can tell by her body language that she's uncomfortable with people talking about it, 1. because of their longstanding relationship with PK and 2. because it makes the rescue look bad for placing a dog with a family who holds no regard for the contract they signed.

Dorit is no victim here.  If she doesn't want people gossiping about her and talking shit on her, she shouldn't have done something shitty.  She was in NO WAY qualified to determine if the person she was giving the dog to was, indeed, an appropriate home for Lucy.  If she was really concerned for her children's safety (which is a valid reason not to keep a dog) then it would have been JUST as easy to pick up the phone and have someone from VDP dogs come and get Lucy.

[S09.E03: Sun and Shade in the Bahamas]

6 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

I do admire all the work Lisa does for dogs because I am a huge dog lover and that love was what got me to think more in depth about animal rights and change my diet as a young teen.  I do think Lucy was likely traumatized and I think Dorit and PK are horrible people, but LVP’s disconnect has always bothered me too. When they showed the Yulin film and they all were crying (I would be too, of course) or when they all refused to eat “baby moo-moo,” I just sat there thinking, “seriously? All these lines are so arbitrary. Can’t you see the connection?” I’ve seen LVP get some shit on SM about it (especially around Thanksgiving when she was dancing around with her turkey), but I haven’t seen any movement in her beliefs about protecting all animals and not just pets. I hope one day she will get there.

I should specify that I haven’t looked at the menus at her restaurants in awhile, but when I did a couple of years ago, not only was there a ton of meat, but there were barely any vegan options. For someone who loves her pets as much as she does, I wish she would think about making her restaurant friendly to those of us who do care about all the animals. Lots of love to you, my fellow veg*n @RealHousewife ❤️

I found it a bit hilarious when all the "ladies" were pearl clutching over veal, yet I'm sure none of them are morally opposed to eating lamb.  Hell, one of the rotating images on the Villa Blanca home page is their rack of lamb! Although, I did notice that they use short ribs, rather than veal, for their Osso Bucco, how charitable to give the cow at least a full year on earth. 

And really, if you're going to slaughter a cow and eat it, what difference does it make if you do it under a year old or over?  As an unapologetic meat eater, I fully acknowledge my hypocrisy in having no problem consuming game and industrialized farm animals while shuddering at the thought of my precious dog facing even a moment of discomfort or discontent. 

[S09.E03: Sun and Shade in the Bahamas]

1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I am going to be the bad guy and say this:  I don't care a lot about Lisa's brother. I really just don't.  She never mentioned her brother before (In any meaningful context). He apparently lived on another continent.  I think she is using his suicide as a way to gain sympathy and to excuse her actions.  If anyone watches Curb Your Enthusiam, there is an episode where Larry David found out his mother died, and he used it as an excuse to get out of every preexisting commitment and everything else he didn't want to do.  He was unabashedly joyful about this.  I'm not saying fiction is reality, but I think a big reason people laugh so much at Curb and Seinfled is because there is a fundamental truth below the surface that resonates with them.  It is of no moment to me that it was a suicide, considering, again, she never mentioned him and he wasn't a big part of her life.  Yolanda took us to Holland to meet her family; if Lisa's bro was such a big part of her life, we would have seen him.  I have more sympathy for Kim Richards losing her ex-husband Monty to cancer than I do for Lisa, merely for the fact that Kim was living with and helping Monty prior to his passing, and we knew about it because she cared enough to tell us about it prior to his death.  Until I hear from a credible source otherwise, this death doesn't give Lisa any kind of a pass from me.

Just to keep things simple, like I posted in the epi one thread, if the woman is well enough to return to work and film two reality shows, then she is well enough to roll with the punches doled out by her co-stars on those two reality shows.  It's such passive-aggressive bullshit to film multiple reality shows, but to cite your brother's death every time something goes poorly for you.  Either stay home and mend, or be prepared to be treated like everyone else.  She is one of the few of us who can afford to do so.  And bully to the idea that she returned to "work" because she thought "work" would be good for her.  According to Lisa, she already works 16 hour days at her various and sundry restaurants.  If that's not enough for her, and she felt it wise to return to film two reality shows in the hope that it would be "therapeutic," guess what?  You're not going to get treated with kid gloves, and you shouldn't expect it either.  

I have literally heard more about this death than I did about my paternal grandmother's in 2016.  Adults of advanced ages die, some by their own hand, some not.  It's gross to use as a storyline/excuse.  Can we please go back to the days when Heather Thomson began flilming RHNYC for the first time just days after her father passed, and only mentioned it in passing?  Hey Lisa, what happened to your stiff British upper lip?  

No wonder Erica took a picture of the condolence card after she was called out on national TV for not showing the proper amount of deference for the death of Pink Dog (I am ashamed I watch a show where the aforementioned sentence is an actual plot line).

Can someone please post a link to that Reddit timeline of RHBH that's been mentioned?  I can't find it, but I think it will shed a lot of truth on some of the bullshit that's been peddled. 

In parting:  When Taylor freaking Ford Armstrong shows more grace and dignity about a suicide than you, you might want to reevaluate the way you're portraying yourself on reality TV.  Just saying. 

Wow.  This post is so offensive.

First, I don't believe Lisa has made the loss of her brother in to a story line.  It's something that happened, she obviously has feelings around it and has acknowledged those feelings on the reality tv programs she is a part of.  Just because she returned for work doesn't make it ok for her coworkers to come for her over a total non-issue story.  I have gone back to work following the death of a close loved one and I didn't expect to be treated as the company punching bag.  Additionally, it's been reported numerous times that she asked to take the year off and Evolution told her no.

I also don't think it's fair to assume that just because we never saw them together that they weren't close.  It's also not fair to think someone can't seriously grieve the loss of a sibling they weren't even that close to.  Death can bring about many unresolved feelings- all of the "what ifs?" and "what were we even fighting over?" can take a serious toll.  Not to mention, the loss of an immediate family member- no matter how close- starts to bring up the feeling that at some point, there may be no one left who knows your story- who knows the story of your family.  Loss and grief are tricky emotions, and certainly don't deserve to be trivialized.