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1 hour ago, Robert Lynch said:
Am I the only one wondering how will they do that? Stupid... "You see it's totally normal to sleep with little boys and than lose interest when they grow up". MJ was not a pedo at all. It makes me think of this video on youtube sarcastically called: '89 Michael Shopping for Ring at Zales for BROOKE SHIELDS AND OTHER WOMEN! The guy who uploaded the video is totally being sarcastic and he even liked a comment that said:
"MICHAEL .J.JACKSON WAS NOT A PAEDOPHILE ! He was just someone who liked hanging around with 12 years olds,sleeping with them,take nudey pictures of them while paedo-ing on their unfortunate assess because he didn't have a childhood or something. BUT HE DEFINITELY WAS NOT A PAEDOPHILE."
Anyway there are a lot of comments of people who believe the guy is a fan defending MJ like them and it' hilarious.
Then again there's this girl on youtube saying the books with pictures of nude boys was art and that there's a copy of the book in the White House Library. Being this truth or not, the book together with everything else paints a very bad picture.
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What was the pictures of animal torture supposed to be for? They said they believe it was used to groom boys and I don't understand. Look how evil the world is and such? It's you and me against the world. Or did Michael himself like seeing these pictures, I wonder?
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16 minutes ago, Blakeston said:
Are the photos of naked boys found by police in MJ's home a matter of public record? I once searched for a reference to it in reputable newspapers, magazines, etc., and couldn't find anything.
I found a transcript of the prosecution wanting to use them as evidence, and also about the picture of the Spence kid naked at 7.... I'll look for it in my browser history.
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In 1983
In a Texas facility
He was just a few months old when they
Told him he was soldThey flew the primate pet
Upon a private jet
And off to Neverland where he
Met the impish manFeasting on candy
And dressed like a dandy
Bubbles was treated
Like no other chimpanzee
Transported to a planet made of toys, bananas, and gamesChildhoods end
And Bubbles burstWe met in the arcade
Playing video games
We both could not believe it was
Like living in a dreamWe didn't understand
Dancing with Peter Pan
What would…be the result when weTurned into young adults
Feasting on candy
And dressed like a dandy
Bubbles was treated Like no other chimpanzee Transported to a planet
made of toys, bananas, and games
Childhoods end And
Bubbles burst
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1 hour ago, doodlebug said:
Watching that video, it becomes almost impossible to believe Sean's denial that he was abused by MJ and that he knew nothing of any other kids being abused. Monkeys and bananas? Bathing together? Michael coming into his bedroom and the monkey cowering in fear while Michael offered him treats? Escaping the law and the paparazzi by flying off into space just the two of them?The whole thing would be creepy as hell if we didn't already know what we know. If that video was meant to be a loving tribute to his childhood relationship with Michael, he missed the mark by a mile.
Don't forget the bottle of mild and MJ spilling milk on him own mouth.
The Boy's allies book sounds like "The Betrayal of Youth" a book with PIE (Pedophile Information Exchange) and NAMBLA ideology, basically.
The police found photos of naked underage boys but that's not considered pornography because they were not engaged in sexual activity.
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10 hours ago, Queena said:
So much misinformation. I know a few people, in particular the earlier victims that weren't mentioned.
I'm sure that mandated reporting wasn't a thing in 90-92 when he was trolling Kenwood. Did she and the other staff know? Of course, the music room would fill up when he came to the school.
Sparkle's niece is very close to Kelly's family and even him. She still comes around him.
There's no way that I would take my child to a R. Kelly concert or sign a guardianship letter so that someone in his camp can watch her. Especially in exchange for money. Both the Clarys and Savages did. When the daughters were trying to set up a meeting Avenatti told them not to because it puts public opinion on their side and makes Kelly look bad. Is he sick yes. Is he guilty hell yeah, I know that 100% certainty. However, at least one of the girls was an adult. An adult who Kelly flew out to see their daughter often. She cut off contact after they grilled her on video about her and his sex life.
Sadly, I think that Avenatti has tainted this case. Hopefully it can be savaged, because while I don't think that he's held anyone hostage (there are videos with some of those ladies and parents talking about how they were lying but Lifetime couldn't cut it out because of cost) he deserves jail for Aaliyah and someone I knew.
Can you tell me about what was missinformation? Was it something I said in my yearlier post? I have been reading because it disturbed me so if you can clarify that I would be so thankfull =). I really want to know what it's missinformation about what I read and have been told by the docuseries.
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Fans in Brazil, mostly, are defending him, the girl got personal on me saying I must not be a person who likes to read and saying she is sad I'm a lawyer because I said I wouldn't be reading her desperate long texts in defense of him.
There's this website refuting the fans lies with facts: https://mjnotinnocent.blogspot.com/2019/03/facts-dont-lie-mjinnocent.com-people-do.html
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10 minutes ago, AgentRXS said:
Well, this video didn't age well at all. Hanging with Brett Ratner singing along to R. Kelly screams "Birds of a feather flock together" LOL
Wow! All cut from the same abusive cloth!
Just noticed that at Michael's angels painting there's a fallen angel (or a naked little boy) at Michael feet!!!!!! He seems to be touching his face, is he crying or hiding his face from THE SUN (MJ)? You know like it's too incrible to look at him directly. Michael is almost naked, how can people see this and not KNOW?
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3 hours ago, doodlebug said:
The portrait with the little kids where the young boy is clutching his hand and looking up at him adoringly is particularly icky in light of what we know about MJ.
I know, the girl looks like she could be a daughter or sister, the boy is looking at him with way too much adoration...
Edit to add: I wonder what the artist was thinking and how he described just how he wanted it. Because you can't convince me the boy looking at him like that was the artist's idea and not Michael's. What did the artist think? Also the paint with the naked BOY ANGELS... Maybe they should look at this artist...
I can only imagine:
Michael: "That's good, but make the boy look at me like I'm his God".
Artist: Okay...
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Ok. This was absolutely horrifying. But the part that shocked me the most is the conclusions I came about the sex tape and peeing incident and the girl’s family.
The girl, Sparkle’s mentioned, was her niece. But she told her oldest brother because she couldn’t tell her sister, I believe the sister’s was the girl’s mother… And I am sure a guy commented about the pee tape and that he heard the victim was the daughter of “his bass player or something”.
Sparkle in episode 4: “I really don’t know if my family was paid off. I know the family was still hanging out with him. My brother in law was still playing guitar on a lot of his songs. “
I actually found a video on youtube that identifies the girl and she doesn’t have the same last name as Sparkle. She is a daughter of a sister… It shows pictures of the girl that the doc showed with her face blurred and then the same pictures clearly showing the girl’s face. They also said her name. I am so terribly sorry for that girl. Even more so if she still is with R. Kelly.
WAS THIS THE FATHER OF THE GIRL THAT STILL PLAYED WITH R. KELLY? Did the girl’s father continue to play in R.Kelly’s band AFTER R. KELLY RAPED HIS DAUGHTER AND PEED IN HER MOUTH? Even if it’s another brother in law and Sparkle has another sister still. The wife/aunt of the girl would be fine with this?
This was like up to five years after the trial started. Fuck fuck fuck fuck. And the girl still hanging around him after the tape scandal is so twisted and disturbing.
Edited to add: Her father STILL played base guitar for R. Kelly untill at least 2018.
I have no words. Are they in denial about the possibility of it being her and just refused to view the tape? Do they blame her or pimped her out?
The family blames the girl for what happened or just sold her out I think. Like people think 14 year olds just are mature enough because they hit puberty, like I’ve heard arguments that teenagers have sex with each other so why is it wrong for adults and teens to have sex. You know that bullshit pedophile arguments. And I think it had something to do with the assumption that black girls develop sexually early.
Many woman said R. Kelly introduced them to the girl on the sex tape.
I wonder if the girl was abused by her father/her mother/both her parents before she met R. Kelly. They sure seem to be able to sell her and not just take money and go away to try to heal her, like sometimes happens (the parents think "It already happened, I cannot undo it. The money can help us rebuild our lives and try to heal our child and send them to therapy, so I’ll take it. At least my child will never have financial problems". In these cases they go away from the press and they probably think the press is making it worse for the child, BUT they take the child away from the abuser.) BUT HERE they continued to hang around R. Kelly. This means they either didn’t care much or are in deep denial and don’t believe he did this to her. They need to go to jail. Did the father or uncle sold her or something? I can’t begin to imagine how messed up that girl is.
I wonder who the trainer is. The guy on last episode said it was the girl who was with him the longest and the only one he truly trusted. It could be a girl we don’t know about, but a dark though came to my head that it could be the sex tape girl. The girl who had sex with her twice and identified her at the trial said when they first did the threesome the girl knew exactly what to do and she was the one being instructed… It’s just so many girls mentioned her and didn’t mention a girl who he trusted and trained them. I think R. Kelly was always involved with minors but when did he actually started the cult? That guy who forged the documents for Aaliyah to marry him said the studio was full of rooms and girls waiting quiet in different rooms… He has been abusing teenage girls for 25 years, but when did he start collecting women?
I do know a few R. Kelly songs, but the only one I knew was him was “Trapped in the Closet”. I had no idea “I believe I can Fly” was his. I never bought anything of his. Someone made me a mix playlist once and it had “Trapped in a Closet” in it. I remember them playing on the radio some songs I know now were his… So I always knew R. Kelly for “Trapped in a closet” and peeing on some teenager in a sex tape, I thought it was gross and disturbing and never looked up any more of his music.
Edited to add: Yeah, I found old comments on various boards and on youtube videos about Sparkle's, they are saying that she is still with Robert Kelly and that she is the trainer...
Edit to add: according to buzzfeed the trainer is a girl who was best friends with the sex tape girl in high school and is the same age as Sparkle's niece, but not her. Sparkle's niece is not living with R. Kelly but apparently still sees him every now and then. Her own brother took pictures with R. Kelly after the trial. I guess this is the true story otherwise Sparkle would have mentioned it "my niece is still in the cult" or something.
Apparently the trainer is reffered to in the house as Den Mother now. Apparently she is allowed to see her family sometimes, she sometimes goes to concerts and she is on a strict diet since she was 12 because Kelly likes his women thin and petite. She also does not have a high school diploma and is not allowed to have friends, she can only talk to the other girls when R. Kelly wants her to train them. I feel sick.
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19 hours ago, Brattinella said:
@Dorne2.0 I have many unpopular opinions. I get lots of flak from several online sites. I usually don't feel like battling them, or defending my opinions. I just put them on ignore, or if it gets too bad, simply walk away. They can't hurt your feelings if you aren't reading their crap. I would suggest that you find some alternatives to YT and FB, if they are so nasty to you. I don't use either one anymore. I happen to agree that MJ was guilty as hell and I believe those boys 100%. If someone wants to fight me over that, they are welcome to try; I won't be paying attention. 🙂
I had never actually had a response (on youtube) like that before. I don't like commenting on Youtube. Maybe I did get nasty response before but I ignored them, but I just cared about James and Wade story so much I had just watched the doc so I was annoyed. But even so I only corrected the girl wrong about something James said and then didn't read the long texts and just wrote: "I won't be reading all these texts, if you need him to be innocent that much you can believe whatever you want." But really this is child abuse in its worst and it makes me furious people attack James and Wade.
About facebook I know it's a trap, I didn't even try to dicuss anything of actual importance, like, that would be crazy (I've given up on discussing Game of Thrones and the ASOIAF books there already). Now I only talk on facebook about fiction and banalities. But thank you for caring. ❤️
19 hours ago, ruby24 said:That was James in the jewelry store video, actually.
Yeah, but to me the whole thing about telling people to just take a cart and fill it with whatever you want, everything you want...I don't know, that kind of behavior isn't so much generous to me as more like, this person wants something from you.
Maybe I was raised to be suspicious of people or something, but my mom always taught me from a young age that you will be indebted to anyone who financially supports you (aside from actual family), or wants to give you too many things. To always be on guard with stuff like that, that if someone is constantly buying you stuff, whether it's just material things, or is always the one to pay for dinner or going out anywhere, or just gives you too much, that it's a bad thing and it means you will never be on equal footing with this person, that they want to be able to control you.
She basically wanted me to always be self-sufficient, but it left me with a deeply ingrained discomfort or suspicion of anyone who wants to give me too much, for supposedly nothing in return. So when I hear those stories about him, like giving James the $700 in cash or whatever it was, or telling Wade and his whole family to just pile stuff up in a cart, I remember my mom and I can't imagine that she ever would have been okay with someone doing that. She would have known that they were trying to buy us off, that it wasn't out of "kindness" that he was doing stuff like that.
I was thinking of Jimmy but wrote Wade, I corrected it. His story about the mock wedding actually effed me up,
About Michael giving people money and buying them things, I agree 100%, he was making them dependant on him and trying to buy the kids and their families. I also would never let anyone but my family support me. I always insisted in splitting the check, since I started dating, because I always said the only man that can ever pay for things for me is my father... Not that I ever needed people to support me since I was an adult...not saying anything about people who need other help to survive, I am privileged, but Jimmy and Wade's family weren't starving, in fact Wade had a pool and a nice middle class country life, Jimmy's family wasn't really poor either....but MJ bought them a four bedroom house with a pool and supposedly gave gim dad as much as two million dollars, if he is the garbage man LaToya was talking about, UGH, I think he had to know. Which makes me furious.
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18 hours ago, sistermagpie said:
Meanwhile there were plenty of examples of him being the opposite of nice and kind. Waking people up to summon their kid to his bed. Dumping them all when he lost interest and then crawling back when he needed them to lie for him. Replacing them with new kids. Running off with kids where the parents couldn't find them. Making little kids responsible for his well-being through threats. And oh yeah, the rape.
I thik the generous part was him just buying people stuff and giving them money, they also talked about him going into a toy stores and others stores with the kids/kids and families and just saying take everything you want, or just giving them a credit card to go shopping. Buying them jewelry and so (the video found of him and Jimmy in a jewelry store in Jimmy's town really disturbed me.)
I was watching "Surviving R. Kelly" and God, I'm on episode 3, but I think I will stop for today...God. I should really watch some fiction on Netflix. R. Kelly needs to go to jail, I don't think I will sleep tonight. I didn't when I watched the Madeleine Mccann documentary or when I watched Leaving Neverland... I think it's important to watch to recognise the abuse patterns and support the victims.... but to be honest since I was young I liked Agatha Christie books and so, so true crime always get my attention, but then it haunts me.
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Exactly, Ruby24. I know. He build a persona to gaslight everyone. He "groomed an entire generation" or I believe more than one generation, as my sister is another die hard fan I won't even discuss this with her because we have a shaky relationship.
As for his cult of fans, I regretted even commenting on the video, whatever you do don't comment on youtube about this, make a video refuting all the fans excuses and shut down the comments, if you like, I wish someone would. I was tempted to destroy their case when they were responding to me yesterday but I was so tired having not slept the night before and trying to stay awake by distracting myself on facebook so I would sleep at night, and they just kept replying and replying and saying I was reading tabloids( and I actually am a lawyer, not practicing, but I am one) but I had zero patience to reply to everything in a foreign language so I just gave up because nothing I was going to say would convince them, they don't want to believe.
Also the reviewer who made the video obviously thought Michael was guilty too, he just didn't want to say it because it would make him lose subscribers, so he said "maybe... I can't know for sure, though these facts are really suspicious." That was enough for the fans to praise him so desperate they are for someone not condemning M.J right away. Literally there were so thankful, it's unbelievable they care more about a dead person accused of abuse than living people who say they were abused, like James and Wade.
On Oprah's interview, Wade seemed to be dealing with this better, but then I noticed the sweat spots on his armpits, poor Wade.
I wish I could someway tell both of them I believe them as well, Shakma.
I was a fan of Michael's music but after I found out about these allegations at my early teens I stopped listening to him. I was born in 1987 and my mom had been a fan so I listened to his songs and loved the Thriller video... I didn't found out about Jordy Chandler until I was old enough to undersand it I don't remember when... my parents never bought more cds but we listened to those we had already.
I was, I admit, always fascinated with him, like watching a train wreck... And I was always worried about his own children too, because the man was not sane, remember him almost dropping Blanket?
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Oh my God, I live in Brazil now and fans in Brazil are not taking this well... One woman wrote long texts on youtube explaining how she studied the case for years and repeating all you know fans are repeating everywhere. It seems because a small part of the population speaks English and those who do are super into American Music they will not hear of it. The only reviewer on youtube that seems to get positive responses are from a reviewer that says that while it seems probable MJ abused those kids no one can no for sure. I made a comment the fans just left me huge texts picking everything apart trying to find proof James and Wade were lying. The funny part is I just skimmed through a response to me and found something wrong just randomly. The girl said James claims he didn't tell his mom until 2013 and later contradicted himself. I was quick to say "no, he refused to testify in 2005 and told his mom Michael was a bad man. But he didn't give any details, Later his mom said that when he died, in 2009, she danced and was happy. She understood what her son meant and didn't push him for details because he was not ready". She was so mad and emotional and so pathetic. I had to tell her I was not going to keep reading her responses because I actually had a life and that if she wanted so bad MJ to be innocent, she was free to believe what she wanted. All I did I start the conversation replying to her comment in which she talked about Wade dating Jackson's niece, that there were no alarms leading to his bedroom, that Chandler had gone back and said his father made him lie about MJ, that Gavin did the same, that he was found not guilty.... I know I watched this later than everyone and I am still feeling raw but I fucking hate these cultist M.J fans, I feel like people are the worst. And finally I wanna find James, give him a hug, say I believe him and protect him from all the hate. All the videos on youtube bashing on Wade, James and the doc, people are gross. And may M.J burn in hell. I thought I would come out of this feeling sorry for him as well as he was clearly mentally ill but no, I hate him so much.
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Didn't read the thread yet, I'll just say this and later read it, so I'm sorry if someone said this before.
I assume we will see even more rape and torture now. They have to make Euron even worse than Ramsey and Ellaria and her daughter will go through hell. Of course Cercei will torture Ellaria's daughter to death in front of her. I am kind of tired of rape and horrendous torture. I know they killed Tristan, Mycella and Doran but they should have just killed Ellaria and the girl, Oberyn has four more young daughters to continue the line of sucession. I mean Vikings doesn't have this much rape and the real vikings were famous for that. Was that Yara hanging from the ship? Was she captured? Are we going to see her being raped and tortured too?
And why don't warrior Dornish women carry poison to kill themselves if they are about to be captured? Oberyn knew a lot about poison, didn't he? Capture means rape, torture and being kept as hostage so the Dornish Nobles obey.
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On 22/05/2017 at 11:00 AM, YoSaffBridge said:
And this is precisely why, no matter my nascent attachments to ritual and symbolism of the church, I will never be a practicing Catholic again. I absolutely cannot belong to a church that puts their image above the people who believe in the institution with all their souls.
A few years ago, a story came out here about a man in my area who was receiving one of the settlements the church was giving out. The man had been sexually abused by a priest. His mother believed him, the church did nothing to help. He tried to overdose at the altar of the church where I received my first communion. He survived it, and was even the janitor at my Catholic elementary school. That church doesn't exist any more, but I knew if it did, I could never watch a priest consecrate the sacraments without thinking about that man and what they did to him.
I haven't started the series yet, but my heart is so broken for poor Jean. She had so much taken from her that can't be given back.Well said. Same here. I will never enter a Catholic Church again. Thousands of kids were abused by priests they knew had abused before. I hold the whole institution responsible for it. You know damn well Cardinal Law was protected by Pope John Paul because he knew about people higher up being involved in or even ordering the cover-up.
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Excellent idea. More people need to know this happened. I'll do that.
I just want to add to the list of scandals and documentaries film noire mentioned the famous "Deliver us from Evil". One of the girls abused had parents that were so close to the priest accused, they paied for his laywers until their daughter told them he had raped her since she was five years old. The abuse stopped when she was around 10. And he had abused a girl from the same age before and she an her parents had come to the Church and they promised them he would never be left around kids again. The pain of those victims and their family left me sobbing. They went to the Vatican to talk to Pope Benedict and he refused to received them, let alone listen to them.
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I confess I haven't been able to watch another episodes. Jean's story was on my mind for days. One one word keeps coming back to me: unforgivable. That the church would cover for these sick people, that they would promise the families the priests would never work with children again just to transfer them to another place where they would just abuse other kids In one of the articles user film noire linked to:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126192996
And if you google the nams in this article, you find more awful information:
https://rapevictimsofthecatholicchurch.wordpress.com/category/father-jules-convert/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-silence/timeline/
And there are more and more stories.
And then what I've discovered over time is that it's far from a pattern. It's a practice. And after you worked in four or five places, you've heard enough priest confessions and you've seen enough news reports, this is just the way it's done, by geographically moving the guys around.
QuoteThis is not a patina, this is not an exterior thing. This is an internal part of the Catholic institution.
QuoteNo - there's no accountability because the secret to the celibate system is that almost everybody's sexual. And if everybody's sexual, everyone's got a story that can be told about them. So, the problem that you have is that the bishops ultimately can't enforce the law because they themselves are not ultimately celibate. I mean, there have been over 20 bishops in the United States removed because they themselves were child abusers.
When I goggled a priest linked in the article I found this:QuoteIn the 1960s and 70s, almost an entire generation of Alaska Native children in the village of St. Michael were sexually abused by Catholic priests and church workers. Here's information on the history of the abuse, legal actions taken by the survivors, and how the child abuse crimes in Alaska fits into the larger story of the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal.
https://rapevictimsofthecatholicchurch.wordpress.com/category/father-jules-convert/And this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-silence/timeline/
I Google some names in the article and I cannot find it again but one bishop actually appointed a pedophile priest he knew had abused kids before to lead boycotts.
Honestly, I don't know if I can keep watching this...wich my OCD and tendency to depression. I am glad I watched it so far because my family has been trying to woo me back to the Church this new Pope is very charismatic and all. But no Way, I mean two close friends of Pope John Paul were discovered to be molesters and dealt with by Pope Benectic, father Marcial Maciel and a Polish priest or Cardinal, can't remember his name, I think. My parents have a big picture of Pope John Paul II hanging on their wall.
The point is that thousands of kids were abused by priests the Church knew had abused before and I hold the whole institution responsible for it. And the word that comes to my mind is unforgivable.
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On 22/05/2017 at 10:15 AM, teddysmom said:
I watched the whole series yesterday. I stopped after Epi 3 but just had to finish it when I got home. I won't spoil but this is like the movie Spotlight x 1,000,000. Not to insult anyone's faith or religion, but I just don't have the slightest idea how anyone can be affiliated with the Catholic Church. I know not all priests are bad, but the fact that there is institutional corruption from the Vatican down. If it was money or politics that's one thing, but doing this to children, and covering it up and lying and God know what else. And for police, prosecutors & politicians to be complicit is even more infuriating.
I loved the attorney who was told as a child she was a heathen for not being Catholic. Take your holier than thou bullshit and shove it.I never stepped in a Catholic Church again after the abuses and the cover-up by the Church came to light when I was a teenager. I am the oldest grandchild of a large Catholic family and all I could think was "it could have been my sister, it could have been one of my cousins". The fact that the Church kept transferring the priests and they continued to abuse kids wherever they went, and lying to the victims - that was disgusting. I actually tried to make my family stop giving money to the Church as well as refusing to go. I just can't. Until they start handing pedophiles to the police - actually it's too late. I am an apostate. I disagree with them on everything anyway, abortion, homosexuality, the role of women, divorce, euthanasia. I guess I was a Catholic just because I was born in a Catholic family and it was a cultural thing more than anything, I'm not even sure I believe there's a God, sometimes I think of all the suffering in the world and I lean to atheism, but when I feel lost and depressed about the evils of the world or some personal problem like the health conditions of some family members I find comfort in praying, I don't pray Holy Marys and other Catholic prayers though, it is just like a conversation. Sometimes I think of life ending after death I feel comforted too. I mean if it is how it was before I existed I'm fine, I won't know anyway, seems like true peace.
ATA: One thing I am sure is that I will not bring children into this world.
QuoteAnd that retired cop - the one with the Kris Kringle beard, hesitant speech and dead eyes? -- he so fucking knows everything. Everything.
Oh yes, he knows and it is eating him up inside. I was thinking, that guy needs to be on suicide watch. Sometimes it looked liked he was about to cry. I figure he had to keep his mouth shut out of fear or because of some code of loyalty to his colleagues but feels guilty and ashamed. And now people are digging up the case and the community and his family may find out.
And I am sorry that priest did that to you. The only time I was alone with a priest was when I was thirteen and had to confess to receive my First Communion. I never confessed again, the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandals were out and soon after that I stopped going to church. I only did the first communion thing to please my parents and grandparents. I went to Catholic School but was never a strong believer and used to get my teachers mad with my liberal opinions, I asked a lot of questions too. I remember one of my teachers saying the Virgin Mary was just a bit older than us (I was 10) when God made her pregnant with Jesus and that totally creeped me out. And the teacher asked if we would be as brave and faithful and accept the will of God like her and I remember feeling very guilty. I just thought, couldn't he have chosen an older woman? Was it so important that she be a virgin that he had to go for a child because people married young back then?
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I am in love with this show. Oh and Celery Savoy is on the paper with the Marquis when Lillian talks about the Newport 400. This show is such a rewatch treasure. I'm talking Arrested Development quality here.
Just the first episode. (I'll be editing to add more as I rewatch.)
Victor to the male servant: “I can hear you breathing. Please stop.”
Victor to Blanche after Lillian hit the tray out of her hands and caused the eggs to fly everywhere: Blanche, you idiot, you got egg on my snood.
Albert: And he was going to wear that today.
Victor: I was going to wear that today.
Lilian to Blanche: Now he has to select another snood!
Peepers to Celine: Now, some of your duties will include: winding the clock, exercising the swans, bloodletting, ghost removal…
Peepers, after yelling at Blanche and causing her to scream out of panic: This is Blanche's first week back from the asylum. Some people think she's dangerous, but the only one she's likely to harm is herself. We have a lot of fun with her.
Peepers to Celine/Chair: And this is your room. This is where you'll be living, if you play your cards rights, for the next forty years. Alone.
Dodo: Lady Hortense is my eldest daughter, she suffers from a variety of ailments, from photosensitivity to thigh heft. One can only hope she'll live a mercifully short life.
*In later episodes after we see Hortense outside we realize she does not have photosensitivity. So I took that to mean Dodo was saying Hortense does not look good in photos.
Frederick, after hearing Hore say Hellen Keller is coming: Is she that gal that can't smell?
Dodo: Show some compassion Lillian, Hore that's have anything else to live for.
Lillian: Whatever Hore, at least our faces are symmetrical.
Beatrice: At least we don't wear face windows.
Lillian: And at least we're not barren.
Lillian, Beatrice and Frederick laugh.
Victor: When you put two penises side by side that's called log stacking.
Blanche: (…) I have dreams you know, big dreams.
Garfield: No offense Blanche, but I don't think you'd make it as a prostitute.
Dodo: Lillian Abigail Hitler Smitherhorn Fish.
Lillian: If women can vote, who's next? Horses? Tulips? Beatrice?
Peepers: You are to give Lady Bellacourt 10 cc's of morphine exactly.Not a drop more, or God forbid, a drop less. We need to achieve the perfect balance between hallucination and death.
Dodo: You have such lovely alabaster skin Chair. I wish I had skin like that. But Great Grand Nono sacked a Morish Village and now I'm Latin.
Dodo: Chair, is that Welsh?
Chair: No it's Chair, like a Chair. But my name.
Beatrice: I don't get it. Why wouldn't you wanna see. I like seeing.
Hortense: It's not that she doesn't want to see, it is that she can't see.
Beatrice: Well, is she looking through her eyes?
Hortense: Go back to sleep.
Marquis de Sainsbury: I'm sorry I'm early, but I like to catch people off guard.
I'm the great Marquis de Sainsbury. The arbiter of who's who in Newport Society. Now with all this new money, it's my job to separate the elite from the almost rich vomit people.
Marquis de Sainsbury (after seeing Frederick kiss Beatrice): You heathens! What is this, Baltimore?
Frederick: Oh Garfield, sometimes I feel as though I have nothing. I can't be with the woman I love. I have no career. I have absolutely nothing to do all day except eat, take naps, hunt, relax, play sporting games, do all the leisurely activities that please me. Can you imagine not being able to follow your dreams?
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First, some of my favorites from season 2:
It's very important for the Church to control women's bodies.
Charles Darwin! Charlie Darwin is burning in hell right now for all the things he said, and you will too unless you join our .... religion of love.
Episode 2:
Victor is having sex with Lillian while sucking a male servant fingers.
After it is over, Lillian turns around and sees the servant.
Lillian: How did he get on the bed?
Victor: I'm so surprised he's here. What? You're fired. Don't you come in when I'm making love to my wife!
Chair: Thanks for my job again, my handsome Walrus.
Commodore: You are welcome. Nothing brings me as much pleasure as helping out pathetic gutter wenches.
Dodo: Afternoons are for defecating and learning latin.
Beatrice: Frederick will never get married. All the women Mother's brought have either left or “had accidents”.
Already mentioned: C*** Tie Tycoon. He made a fortune designing raccoon skin neckties!
Frederick: But we have infinite money.
Dodo: Yes, and if you add Pussy's money to it we'll have double infinite money.
Beatrice: But Mother, infinity can't be double as its very nature is to be boundlessness.
Frederick: It frightens me when you act all smart like that.
Beatrice points at the sun: Look, the day moon!
Beatrice about Frederick: He only likes women his own age, like exactly his own age.
Mitchel P. Spiritwalker, the whole family has traveled a great distance, through many storms and with much difficulty to see you again, younger brother. On behalf of all of us, I say hello.
Peepers: Wrong door.
Lillian: Can you make my neckline lower? My husband is dead, not my tits.
Peepers about the six-hour fire ceremony for his father's ritual funeral: Do you think we could compress it down to about fifteen minutes. There's a lot of unnecessary fire in that ceremony.
Lilian: Thank you for coming on such short notice.
Man: Speaking of short, no tits.
Lillian: I literally have no behavioral standards at all.
Lillian about her eight childbirths apparently by c-sections: Tight as a Jew's wallet down there.
Hamish: Oh, bet he doesn't have a tolerance to this, huh? Show big knife.
Maybe he went to who-gives-a-shit land. Wanna fuck on this pile of kids?
Episodes 3 and 4:
Majestic no more.
Dodo: In my day a woman was judged only on her fertility, silence, and threshold for pain.
Never had a white man die on my watch.
Chair: How much feces can these people produce?
Hamish: Whatever amount keeps you gainfully employed.
Chair: How far is the ocean?
Hamish: I'm no mapmaker, I don't stops walking until the seawater in om my nose.
“Seemed to be a crowd pleaser but we do need to be sensitive to all the white races."
"Snow Negro."
Lillian: Today is my birthday, I love September 11.
Peepers: Ever since Lillian first began her womanly bleeding, her birthday has been a menagerie of horrors.
Lillian while Ponzi fingers her: Oh, I feel like I'm 11 again.
Ponzi: No you don't.
Ponzi: I remember when we had to put down our butler.
Beatrice explaining why a pyramid scheme doesn't work.
Dodo: I'd recognize that breezy tune anywhere. Seems as though someone just got fingered.
"You're only pretty in Massachusetts."
Lillian: I hear you're not afraid to get your hands dirty.
Hamish: What?
Lillian: I hear you are a deranged criminal.
Hamish: Well, one man's Jew tracker is another man's Jew... (Lillian cuts him off).
Peepers: They'll discover the charade immediately. I ... I carry myself like a servant. Look, do you see? The unsightly gait of a common flea. I'm little better than a gypsy. Half a step removed from Mongoloid.
Trotsky: Families should only be murdered during revolution.
Gandhi:
"No offense, but you sound like you belong to the bitch caste."
"Non-violence. I never thought of that. Because I'm not a little bitch!" (Throws food at Trotsky)
Peepers: Do you think our planet can afford one billion people? Of Course not! The planet itself will sink down into space and explode. I'm having a great time. I am the Commodore.
Dodo: Why, Peepers. You look almost human.
Peepers: Madam I assure you I am not.
Beatrice: Wait a minute. You're not Blanche the person, you're Blanche the servant!
Lillian's song.
"The bottom one percent of the top one percent is the loneliest place for a girl. But I'm a piece of sand who's gonna irritate the clam until I turn into a pearl".
Blanche: The bottom one percent of the bottom one percent is just fine with me.
Commodore: Never again will they say you won't amount to anything Harold Bellawitcz. I mean Bellacourt.
After Frederick and Celery's Wedding and Hortense exposing the family's secrets.
Marquis: We are leaving.
Celery: Yes, we are leaving.
Marquis: No, we are leaving. You're perfect for Baltimore.
Blond high-class woman to Celery: You're disgusting
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Hey, Texas may try to sabotage abortion rights every chance they get, some of their people may wave the confederate flag, but when Warren Jeffs thought he was being persecuted in Utah and tried to build his pedo haven in Texas, Texas was like "Oh heck no, not in Texas you sicko, we are not those Utah softies, hands off the children!" Texas put that monster away for life. To quote Rebecca Musser, "God bless Texas" and all the best wishes to the team that put Warren away.
Meanwhile, a lot of authorities in Utah will burn in hell right next to Cardinal Law and a lot of important people from the Church I was born into. There, I said it. For all I complain about my childhood, I'm thankful I was never sexually abused.
The fact a Utah judge overturned W. J conviction for being an accomplice to Elissa Wall's rape makes me sick. Warren got his though, and so did Fred Jessop, who decided to give Elissa to Allan Steed as payment for some jobs he did for him. Allan wanted a wife and Elissa was the stepdaughter Fred cared least about. A few years later, Warren had Fred literally drugged, kidnapped and imprisoned while his wives were given to another man. Years later he was returned to Colorado City while in a coma and died there.
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7 hours ago, WireWrap said:
Interesting article on the Canadian group in Bountiful that is tied to the FLDS/Jeffs. Read all the comments to see that this investigation has gone on for 20+ years with little to nothing happening to the perpetrators. http://www.sltrib.com/news/4087754-155/vice-canada-searches-for-a-polygamous
God, another two 12-years-olds and a 13-year-old Warren married and raped. Another audio recording of his creepy "training sessions" with a child he married. Burn in hell, Warren.
QuoteWOW. Religions are evil.
I'm inclined to mostly agree. I know great people who are religious though, one of my best friends is a Luteran Minister's daughter.
Signed, someone who was exorcised once and taken to two faith healers when she needed therapy and medication. My parents didn't believe in therapy. It took my bio-mom's brother/my godfather to threaten to call autorities or even sue for custody of me to have them take me to the therapist he chose who worked with mental/religious abuse. Just last week my mom was looking for an exorcist for my sister because and I quote "her last boyfriend's ex was 'a gipsy' who we think put a curse on her". My sister doesn't believe in exorcisms but goes to them if need be to calm my parents. She made them stop believing in the last guy when she jokingly asked if there was a demon in one of her dogs and he answered "yes, there is one leaving one of them right now" and my mom was like "Can you believe it? He said a dog was possessed".
When my sister left the room my mom started talking about how sometimes she looked in my sister's eyes and she saw someone or something else there. I could not make this shit up, you should've seen my husband's face right then.
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19 minutes ago, WireWrap said:
No, sadly it is across the country. When the raid happened on the Texas compound there was a huge blowback from the media coverage of crying mothers/children that was seen on the evening news, not just in Texas, but shore to shore. Most average people in this country don't understand what these groups are like behind closed doors and even when they are aware, the sight of children screaming/crying as they are removed from their mothers changes peoples minds or they make excuse about what they know.
Too many people think that these women have the ability to just walk away if they are unhappy, they don't understand the brain washing they go through starting at birth, they have no idea how isolated they are kept, no idea how much incest/emotional/physical abuse these women go through. They don't realize it is a normal part of their lives, a day to day part of their way of living. To top it all off, so many think the government is either doing something about it or that they are interfering to much. Then you have the "There's nothing I can do about it" or the "It doesn't affect me" attitudes even when they dislike the FLDS or other Groups like them, including The Order. The people that hate any and all government interference even when they dislike these groups because they hate the government more. Finally, todays headlines become tomorrows forgotten stories when the next big story hits the news stands/TV.
I see. Sigh. That's really sad and frustating. People should inform themselves better before taking a cause to defend. I know I don't have opinions on things I haven't read, studied or really informed myself about. I am more confortable not taking a side and saying I don't know much about it than making a fool or an ass out of myself.
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1 hour ago, WireWrap said:
Hell, our own Government hasn't done a thing even though plural marriage is illegal. Every time the government, be it local/state/Federal, try to put a stop to it the general public outcry is in favor of the FLDS and not those trying to do their jobs protecting the minor children.
I wish I knew these people who side with the FLDS. I never met a single person who knew off them and didn't despise them for the child abuse. But I heard a lot about the public opinion siding with them, is it in Utah?
I just wanna meet these people who side with the FLDS and then I want to slap them.
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Leaving Neverland
in HBO Documentaries
· Edited by Dorne2.0
Yes, Oprah said she has being said for years, masturbating a little boy may make him feel good at the time, their mind is too immature to consent, and later they have troubles, later it haunts them when they realize it, they have conflicted feelings: shame, guilt, affection for the abuser.... and sometimes they lie to themselves forever and refuse to accept it as abuse. I hope other victims come foward now but with the attacks on Wade and James might scare them. I so wish more victims would support them.
"Wade Robson has the potential to put egg on their faces so rather than listen to his full story, they prefer to support a dead multimillion dollar pop star instead of a living possible abuse victim. " THIS SO MUCH.
"What has society come to when we turn away people that are hurt in favor of a man who shared his bed with young boys? Hopefully they will come to their senses and stop making excuses for a fatally flawed man."
https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2018/09/02/why-michael-jacksons-victims-may-stay-silent/
This is what bothers me the most: WHY do fans choose to defend a DEAD POP STAR than LIVING PROBABLE VICTIMS? Do they have to actack and threaten them? They act as if not in a million years it could be possible they are MJ'S victims and attack them, threathen them, do they have no compassion?
How I wish some irrefutable evidence would come out. Would these people feel guilty at all?
From the video: How did everyone didn't notice this behaviour was creepy?
"Jackson was in a jewlrely store with a 12-year-old friend on Monday pricing rings (...)"
"Now how did Jackson react when he detained by the security guards?
(...)
"Do you think he was nervous? (...) "
Store employee: He was very nervous, even in the store, that's what tipped off my manager to... something was wrong, because he acted very very nervous."
"Was he jumpy, what was it like?"
" I... he just reacted very nervously, he never said anything to me (...) he.. ugh... was with a small boy and he would tell the small boy exactly what he wanted to see."
"Oh, I see, when he was when you were showing him jewelry he wouldn't talk to you, the small boy was the interpreter."
" Right because I would have probably recognized his voice (..)"
Oh bless her naive heart, like he couldn't afford people to bring rings to his house for him to look at, or an adult interpretor.