DeliaJones

I always loved the chemistry between Jack and Sawyer too. I really regret that the writers allowed the the triangle crap to go on for so long because it would have been great to see them team up more. I will always be a fan of Jack and Kate's chemistry though. I thought they always had the best scenes together whether romantic or not. Their relationship was unique.

Well, I just joined your table. Jack is easily my favorite character and I am a little too tired to go into the lengthy explanation of why. And I also loved Kate.

At this point, the writers were desperate and began to throw breadcrumbs to keep the Sawyer/Kate shippers alive with hope. As usual, Kate says nothing to acknowledge that she agrees with Cassidy. Yet in that very same season we hear Kate tell Jack "I have always been with you", while holding Aaron. Really Kate? Your heart didn't look too broken over Sawyer in that moment. That conversation between Cassidy and Kate was a perfect example of trying to retcon the Sawyer/Kate relationship. Because there is never any payoff for it. Did Kate's heart look broken when she was running half naked around the house she shared with Jack? No wonder Jack began to drink and pop pills when it ended, he was living the life. But, yes, as the show played out. It did seem like it was Cassidy projecting, regardless of whether Cuse and Lindelof were spinning it in interviews to be something else, because they did NOT show us that Kate's heart was broken.

The only thing I disagree with is your statement that you are odd. There are SO many people that loved Jack and Kate together, knew that they were meant to be and saw PLENTY of chemistry and connection between them. I don't understand how and why Sawyer/Kate shippers think that "their" couple has a monopoly on "chemistry".

It's official, you are my long lost twin. I agree with almost everything you have said! I happen to like Sawyer a little more - I think. But I agree with the whole Penny and Des thing. I loved the little I saw, but that was it … it was not enough. Certainly they did wonders with the few minutes of screen time they had. But, let's see if the entire Lost audience would love them as much if Kate was thrown in as a wrench and created a love triangle. Also, Jack/ Kate and Sawyer/Juliet will always be more significant for me as couples. We journeyed with them. Except, I do love the first 2 seasons ;)

It's been over three years since Dom leveled these accusations against Fox (and on Twitter, no less??!!) and there have been no facts to substantiate it. Fox is certainly a partier and whatever is marriage arrangement is, is none of my business, nor do I care - that's personal. But, from what I have read and heard in the hollywood gossip circles is that Fox hitting women is certainly not true. Whether his drinking ends up with him getting in trouble in the future, that remains to be seen. And notice how Monaghan has never uttered a word about it since the all debacle. Meanwhile, Monaghan, himself, has been less than kind to the ladies and there is proof of him being abusive and misogynistic on texts and twitter. And the fact that he would call Evangeline Lilly a cheater on twitter is further example of his pettiness. Clearly, he feels that Lilly and Fox have hurt him and he wants his revenge.

OMG. I thought that I was the only one that did not like Charlie. And I never bought into his relationship with Claire. I found him overbearing and controlling when it came to her and Aaron. Anyway, Kate has always had a deep and pure capacity/need to help people. This defining trait is one she shares with Jack and I think is what draws them together at first. I also think that is why the reference of her being Jack's nurse is a recurring theme. I also believe that she is fiercely loyal to the people she loves. And, that is why we see her time and time again stand Jack's side, even when she thinks he's wrong.

I swear that this could have been written by me (but I would not have done as a succinct a job). I always felt that in the early part of the show Sawyer was more a caricature than a "real person" to me. I felt that he was written in a very stereotypical way and it was if the creators had a checklist when it came to him. 1. Good looking 2. Grumpy 3. Sarcastic 4. Brooding 5. Charming, but slightly pervy 6. Witty Perhaps it was Josh Holloway's performance that definitely improved as the series wore on. In the beginning I was rather indifferent to his character and didn't really pay him mind. But I grew to really like him as the show progressed. But, if I have to be honest, I think I would loved him earlier on if it wasn't for the Sawyer fans. I was always troubled how they whitewashed and defended every single terrible thing he did and would go on the offensive with his rival, Jack. Jack never caught a break from the Lost audience.

Where and when did they say that? If anything, they stated that the couples would have resolution and they knew early on that Kate would end up with one of the guys. And how was Jack and Juliet's relationship left ambiguous?

I agree with all of this. I always thought that the writers sold out Kate when it came to the triangle. Albeit, I think they tried to course correct this by giving Kate her independent motherhood arc that would eventually parallel Jack's man of science/man of faith arc. And I agree with the Cassidy and Sawyer broke her heart suggestion, which never panned out to be proven true on screen. It was just a little red herring to bait the Skate shippers to stick with the show because in the narrative, Sawyer and Kate were done and over back in season 4. The writers just couldn't let the fan base in on that news yet. While Kate was a tomboy with loads of sex appeal for the guys. She was also a girl's girl as shown in how quickly she bonded with Claire and Sun. Oh, how I wish they could have stopped the quadrangle mess and allowed Kate and Juliet to become friends. And to allow Jack and Sawyer to bond more. That would have been so much more satisfying.

I don't think Sawyer "wanted" Kate either when she returned. But, I think he was hit with a rush of unexpected emotions. He probably thought she was likely dead or never expected to see her again. If anything, I think he felt a wave of nostalgia at seeing a woman he cared for deeply and with whom he shared a very BRIEF, but intense relationship. Then again, all the relationships were pretty intense on the island. My point is that while he may have felt conflicted, I think that given time, it would have worn off. And proof of this is Sawyer's grief when he loses Juliet. That horrible accident solidifies what he knew to be true and deep in his heart, that Juliet was the love of his life and their reunion in the sideways simply underscores that.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, your Skate wishes simply don't make it so. But that is why you have fan fiction ;). There is nothing to suggest that Sawyer and Kate were somehow the canon endgame couple. The finale was all Jate and Suliet in that respect. Jack and Kate had amazing chemistry too. I don't understand why Skaters think that their couple was the only couple with chemistry. Sawyer and Juliet had amazing chemistry, Des and Penny, Sun and Jin …. I can argue that Jate even had greater chemistry than Skate because theirs went beyond the sexual or playful (which was 95% of Skate). Jack and Kate's chemistry jumped off the screen in scenes like "We have to go back!" in TTLG, or trying to resuscitate Charlie, or "I will come back here for you" in TMFT or even the scene of them being intimate in the hallway in SNBH. Jack and Kate were a beautiful team. It is very much implied and understood by the audience that Kate said I love you to Jack off-screen. Just as we know they were lovers, even though we didn't see it happen on screen. They were living together and were planning to get married, after all. Why the writers waited for her to say it? It makes for a bigger impact in the finale and strings along a segment of the audience to keep them invested in the Sawyer and Kate relationship. Jack and Kate didn't work out together off the island because he was not meant to be home. His guilt was eating him from the inside out and he was meant to return to the island, the same for Hurley. Why do you think Hurley and Jack were seeing visions of Charlie and Christian. And eventually, Kate starts to see visions of Claire. Don't you see that? Jack and Kate were very much in love and happy together until Jack started seeing visions of Christian (because of the island). As for Sawyer and Kate being together after leaving the island, that was specifically addressed in The Lost Encyclopedia (written in collaboration with Cuse and Lindelof and the studio) and it specifically says that they were friends and nothing else. Lindelof and Cuse definitively ended Skate story on the island. "The End".