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On 4/28/2023 at 12:03 PM, iMonrey said:
I watched last season's episode with Stephanie before this one, and her hair has changed a little. It was a bit fuller and less frizzy/stringy than last time.
Which is weird because their lives were separated by over 100 years. It goes to show how little things had changed, at least socially, between the 1700s and 1800s, versus the 1900s and present day. (And did they really have green tea in the 1700s?)
Mark said the barn had "good bones" but it looked to me like it was about to fall apart, the walls were mere slats you could see through. And if Mark is going to be around all the time now I wonder if he'll eventually realize the place is haunted, like Freddie did.
Ah! I was trying to put my finger on what about her looked different/off from last time. I thought maybe her having freckles/more blush.
The amount of change that’s occurred during the 20th century to now has been far greater and more rapid than any other time in history. Humans haven’t changed much, but societal structures, tools, means of production, weapons, etc., have all evolved and greatly impacted what daily life looks like for the majority of people on the planet. Exceptions being the handful or less of no-contact tribes in places like the Amazon and Papua New Guinea.
That said, human’s ability and curiosity for travel and exploration was nothing new. Long before when Nigel and Isaac would have lived and died, people traded for a long time prior to empire expansion and colonization. Thor’s Vikings got around.As @Starchild noted, “good bones” is in regards to the structure, a solid frame and support beams, foundation, sensible floor plan, roof, etc. Mark listed the roof along with the “good bones”. He probably looked at it when going through the rest of the property. At first, I thought he was referring to where Nigel used to live.
On 4/28/2023 at 8:59 PM, Starchild said:The frame/beams maybe? Walls are easy to replace but the frame would be more work.
So far all evidence points to Jay being quite skilled and creative. I would bet he could garner a strong enough reputation.
It would help cut the boredom during all that eternity.
I keep hearing that Indians get annoyed with us saying "Chai tea", since it's a redundancy. Chai is a tea-based beverage. Chai can't mean anything else.
Yes! Exactly, Jay’s been shown to be quite talented. Sippr isn’t the only good review the B&B has had. There was also that “orgasmic” one. Plus the notoriously picky Yelp couple.
I’ve been told chai directly translates to “tea,” so yes, it’s 100% redundant to say “chai tea.” It often gets listed among other silly translations, but I’m blanking right now.On 4/29/2023 at 11:35 AM, iMonrey said:For those other olds like me, I remember when "Not!" was a big new thing everyone was doing. It was a great callback to the 80s for Stephanie's character. And I got a kick out of Thor "discovering" it for himself. "She change whole meaning of sentence with one word."
Also loved "Very sad. Sass make up girlfriend."
See it’s that type of specific realization and interest in language that leads me to believe that Thor is far smarter than the others usually give him credit for. I actually think, that’s the something he truly has in common with Flower. They’re both more complex than the surface would indicate and they’re both frequently underestimated for it.
On 4/29/2023 at 1:40 PM, shapeshifter said:I didn't understands this.
Was Thor pretending to not remember Sass's girlfriend because Thor has been hanging out with Flower, who we now know sometimes "forgets" stuff even when she does remember?
And, if so, I guess it was supposed to be funny?
About as funny as chopping off poor Pete's hand?
😱That sometimes “forgets” stuff is a great observation.
It’s funny because it’s mostly harmless. Did we laugh at Jay trying to walk through Trevor? Then much later when he accidentally high fived Trevor in the face? I did.
I figure the ax hurt about as much as a human walking through them, maybe less—wrist is a smaller surface area.On 4/29/2023 at 1:52 PM, Chit Chat said:I didn't understand his "forgetfulness" either! That conversation was rather odd.
If Trevor was from the South, he could've debated for at least 20 minutes on the age-old debate of iced tea vs. no ice; and sweetened or unsweetened tea! Or he could explain what a Long Island iced tea is. So many possibilities!! Hetty mentioned that he couldn't contribute to the conversation about steam engines either. Was it trains he didn't know much about either? I like that they had the pretend fight and "broke up." I think it'll be more interesting for them to go back into the shadows with their tryst.
Ha! Him explaining Long Island iced tea would have been great! Hetty would have approved considering what Coca Cola initially was made of...
On 4/29/2023 at 5:47 PM, Annber03 said:I also liked that because it made me think of that episode from the first season where Thor learned about "Maaaaaaaaybe..." :D. I like the continuity of him learning how to use words like this to get a particular meaning across :p.
Exactly! Continuity! He has fun with words and language. As a Viking he likely was exposed to plenty.
On 4/29/2023 at 7:13 PM, SoMuchTV said:I also noticed that during that same conversation, Thor was using some “big” word correctly and without calling any attention to it. I want to say “specific” or something similar. Thor have very selective vocabulary!
Words are fun!
Is my bias for languages/linguistics/writing coming through yet? 😉
On 4/30/2023 at 1:30 PM, possibilities said:I thought that having Thor tease Sass about the girlfriend was not funny.
Either Thor really doesn't know, in which case the story could have been about the other ghosts telling him what he missed and maybe a joke about how distracted he's been, or how he hates not knowing the local gossip, since he loves "reality" show gossip so much-- that could have been mildly amusing.
Or he did know and was just tormenting Sass for sport, which is flat out bullying and not funny, and at least the show could have made it into a story about dealing with bullies, rather than just letting it drop as a passing thing with no dimension, as though torturing Sass is supposed to be inherently funny. They've made a point multiple times about how lonely and bored and borderline depressed Sass is. So, sure, have him be bullied on top of all that. Ha Ha? Not!
Bullying and pulling a long con joke on a close friend are not the same thing. Sass has pulled equally as “questionable” behaviour for his own drama entertainment*. If Thor realized he was hurting Sass he wouldn’t do it. It’s been established he’s quite the emotional softy.
Also, Sass is not the only one that makes comments about boredom and loneliness. They all have and do. Isaac hid Crash’s head! Jay overtly shared his loneliness this episode! As did Stephanie.
Has Sass mentioned it more often or are people projecting? I’d actually be curious to find that out.
Something I’ve noticed is everyone giving credit to Pete for noticing Thor’s word use, when Alberta had done the exact same thing a few episodes before.
*see below for further Sass/Thor friendship commentary
23 hours ago, PaulE said:Exactly. It's a bit sad, really. I doubt they'd be reduced to watching ants, discussing tea, or holding weekly ponder sessions if they weren't ghosts and could actually do things for themselves. You gotta do what you gotta do . . .
I think people have a very poor sense of how people spent their time in the past. Humans seriously haven’t changed much, our norms and understanding of the world, sure, but not how we interact and behave. The main difference is access to information and distraction.
All three of the ant watchers likely would have still been interested if they were alive. There are people who are alive now and are. Same with tea parties, the only difference would be actually being able to drink and taste the tea and not needing to talk about it from a far off memory or primarily focusing on scent.6 hours ago, iMonrey said:OK so I went back and watched all three episodes with Jessica. She and Thor were never in a scene together, so a case could be made that he never actually saw her. However, he was certainly aware of her, because at one point he asked Sass how things were going with the "landship ghost." So he was present when there were conversations about her.
I'm still of the opinion that Thor genuinely does not remember her though. I really don't see him deliberately messing with Sass like that, he is "oldest friend." Maybe if Sass had said "landship ghost" it would have jogged his memory.
I absolutely see him messing with Sass like that, mostly because it’s likely Sass is the one he learned to do it from! Let’s not pretend like close friends don’t mess with each other from time to time.
The sense I got from this episode was that some scenes got cut/added/moved around. Particularly because of this being the only scene with Sass.
5 hours ago, Snow Apple said:I wonder if they had entertainment before Sam showed up. Surely previous owners had parties or had friends over from time to time. Didn't any of the owners have a radio or TV from at least the 1950's onward? They can't ask the owner to turn it on, but they can watch whatever the homeowner listen/watch.
Sam’s (great?) aunt and Hetty’s descendant had a TV, but it was old and she only had a few channels/always had it set to the same, if I recall? She probably listened to the radio more. Still, yes, there were times of guests and parties but those aren’t really frequent occasions. The B&B with Sam and Jay, is probably the most activity of new people and things to observe than any other time on the property.
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On 3/19/2023 at 12:40 AM, angora said:
(Side note: in typical TV fashion, now that we the audience are in on Jesper's Grisha secret, we constantly see him in situations where he has to covertly use his powers, beyond his usual sharpshooting badassery.)
They hinted at it quite a bit in season 1, enough that it made me look it up to make sure. Though by the time he was in that laundry room hiding and fighting another Grisha it was kind of obvious.
On 3/19/2023 at 12:40 AM, angora said:Glad to have Baghra back. Love that she was locked in a cage by her own son and still mocked him for his mistakes. "Another 'lesson?'" Mama doesn't mess around! Kirigan has been locked in this weird thing with her--you can tell it burns him up to have someone who isn't intimidated by him, but in all these years, it seems he can't bring himself to kill her. Some of it might be the embers of familial affection, but I bet a lot of it is that he can't bear the thought of being the only nigh-immortal Grisha around. For all of his brooding, solitude, and, you know, murder, he still longs for companionship/peers.
She was never afraid of him even before she betrayed him. I don’t think that’s what bothers him about her. She’s been around with him his entire life, a constant. She’s his mother and was his protector before he got as strong as he did, it’s not surprising she’s a bit of a blind and soft spot for him.
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On 1/9/2023 at 8:22 AM, shapeshifter said:
It seems a bit coincidental that while Sass is the ghost pining away for a another ghost across town, the concept of a ghost being able to travel with a vehicle involves a ghost Sass is attracted to.
I’m wondering if some loophole allowing any ghost to travel will be discovered.
Maybe the new Car Ghost has learned of it in her travels, but she will sit on that information, just like she lied about Freddie.
Perhaps Freddie will get an opportunity to run his own B&B nearby, stop parking at the Woodstone Manor, and Car Ghost will show up to see Sass——however briefly, perhaps in a translucent form.
I have as yet no idea what would permit this, but perhaps discussion upthread of objects smaller than cars being able to embody a ghost are the method.I’m not so sure about it being “coincidental,” Sass has been seen to be attracted to a few women that have come to the manor. Sass has been teased about his behaviour in reaction to pretty women before. Sass and Trevor both appreciated Hetty’s maid.
What I wonder is what happens if his longtime crush becomes actually viable. We know Sass had some romantic experience in life —and that Thor was witness to it. However, he seems to really hold a torch for one woman in particular.
On 1/10/2023 at 8:55 PM, KarenX said:!!!
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So I am rewatching Season 1, Episode 4 while doing dishes and in the cold open (the missing oreos) Pete boasts a little about his improv training.
Ha! I think it comes up another time too.
I wasn’t surprised by the mention of improv with Pete and others. While watching, I instinctively knew/felt like it had come up at some point before. I have yet to get around to watching the UK Ghosts, so I knew it wasn’t from mixing that show with this one.
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9 hours ago, DanaK said:
There’s not been much comment on Molly’s sparse description of Heaven. She describes it as perfect but says she’ll melt if she says more, which is interesting
Oh yes, very intriguing that bit. How did she learn about the melting? Also, the fact that's a possibility even when you've been sucked off. As well as the newly learned tidbit that one can be pulled out from "up there", that doesn't seem too peaceful. Alternatively, I imagine the same could be done with someone that's "down there", which adds another way besides flashbacks to see Elias again. That could come in handy with solving Alberta's murder too.
5 hours ago, Skooma said:Well it obviously has to be Pickleball. Maybe Randy will even claim to have invented what has become in real life the fastest growing sport in the country.
Ha! I did briefly consider that, but Randy seems like more of an outdoorsy type. Something about pickleball requiring a court and having been introduced by the WASPy neighbours made me skip past the thought.
Oh! Something I forgot to mention before, how much did Randy hear of the second seance and Sam talking to the ghosts? I think he and Thorfinn would get along swimmingly, imagine all fish and pickled food combo's they could come up with/list off!-
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On 10/28/2022 at 1:36 PM, Trey said:
And Nigel does have webbed feet after all.
I kind of hope that gets revisited, because it would be nice to know Isaac accepts all of Nigel. Isaac and Hetty are the most finicky and judgemental of all the ghosts (which explains why they're besties). I think Isaac's insecurities are tied to that aspect of himself. Now that I think of it, I wonder how often the things he complains about others are also things he doesn't like/accept about himself. Guess I'll have to rewatch and/or keep note from here on.
I loved this episode so much. All of the callback/ongoing jokes, and that the majority of those gags worked as standalone jokes for new viewers, really tight writing.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mark the Contractor's return this episode and dressed as the most adorable bee! In my head canon his son chose his costume to match his own.
Trevor and Sas's reactions to Molly, ha! Especially after Molly says she'd like to go back to the place where "everything's perfect all the time", Trevor's face falls in disappointment but Sas is so smitten he mumbles out loud "You're perfect". Hehe. Flower's tendency for non sequiturs due to spacing out and losing the plot continues to supply gems: "Don't worry Molly. We're gonna find your dog." Ha!
Also, I quite liked the unsuspected quirkiness of Randy "the pickler" who rollerblades to parties he invites himself to and considers Jay his best friend now. I'm actually surprised Jay isn't somewhat appreciative of Randy's specialty, from a chef standpoint. Sure, he may be above Jay's threshold of 40, but I don't think age is that big of a deal with adult friendships. I'm curious what Randy's favourite sport is, you'd think maybe football, but it's probably another left field thing like snowshoeing or curling. I'm not sure why common Canadian winter sports *feel* right as guesses. They do film in Canada and may be inspired by it, so I may end up not that far off should Randy return.-
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On 10/14/2022 at 7:19 AM, Snow Apple said:
Was Flower this forgetful last season? I don't remember (no pun intended) this quirk; just that she was flaky. But not remembering who Jay and Sam are seems weird.
As someone else mentioned, Flower was more peripheral last season. One of the episodes showed her get distracted by a butterfly and wander off to chase it for most of the episode. Also, the way Alberta played Flower's memory was the same trick Alberta and Isaac used to find out her secret regarding the bank robbery and the commune. She almost caught them but her lucid time, which she does also get, came to an end.
On 10/14/2022 at 11:04 AM, iMonrey said:She also did that to the food critic last season, when they were trying to stall him while Jay was possessed by Hettie. So that's her power. Which is weird - imagine being stoned for all eternity. And I don't think she's just high on marijuana either, some of the early episodes made it sound like she was tripping on acid.
Oh definitely, especially considering how the critic, Sam and Flower behave when the wave of being stoned freshly hits. I think Flower may have built up a bit of a tolerance and/or possibly sobered up while dying, because she does still have her lucid moments.
On 10/14/2022 at 8:53 AM, cardigirl said:I wonder if being "sucked off" is going to be part of the storyline going forward, or if that is reserved for visiting cast members only. I like the core of ghosts on the show now, but I thought resolving something about their death could lead to being "released" from ghost life?
I don't think it's necessarily "something" about their death, but more about them feeling a strong sense of resolve and revelation--positive or negative. For Sam's mom, it was related to feeling at peace about her relationship with Sam by becoming more open and let go of her worries. For Elias, well, he declared never to change and to remain terrible. All the ghosts are still figuring themselves out.
It makes me wonder about that elderly ghost couple Sam saw crossing the street, other than them all the ghosts we've seen have been relatively young when they died.
Anyways, with this episode I really enjoyed the reactions from everyone in the background. The fact that Trevor picked up on the business pyramid scheme element, Flower the cult, and Isaac on everything that annoyed him about NotTodd(Norm?).
I was also highly amused by Hetty's neck/chin jut after Sam shot down the snake oil idea. I'm happy to see Hetty embracing her sexual side, and that it came in handy to solve this week's cult problem. Though it does prove Jay was spot on with his concerns about the shower/bathroom.-
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5 minutes ago, Annber03 said:
This is my theory about why Thor and Sasappis talk the way they do, too :). That, and alongside Thor's more simple connection, he also tends to be a man of few words as it is. He's the big, tough-looking, gruff guy, and he either likes or feels he needs to keep up that persona when possible. When he speaks, though, it's because he has something important/sincere to say, and it's in those moments when we get to see his softer side come through.
Yes! I meant to comment on that - I liked that little aside, too :p. That ties in nicely with the recent discussion in the Alexa episode about how entertaining/interesting it will be for the ghosts to continue to learn about what happened to and with notable historical people/events from their respective time periods after they themselves died.
Ah! Yes. Important things like "Landship! Landship!!" :P Heh. But yeah, I really love those marshmallowy soft moments from Thor. I would be remiss to not admit that Thor is a good listener, like he said to Alberta "You talk. I listen." He's very much invested in people or things he cares about. He's shut down certain things out of disinterest a few times over the season (the B&B, therapy, etc.). If no one pushed him before, it makes sense he hasn't taken bigger strides until recently.
Also, yes! It was fun to finally see Isaac's response to Hamilton. Of course he was more sullen about a whole musical, and such a great one at that, being dedicated to his nemesis would eclipse his reaction to the details of Hamiltons death. I found it greatly amusing that Hetty enjoyed hip hop and rap as much as she did.-
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11 hours ago, chaifan said:
I wouldn't mind if he got a small window to see them and interact, just to see what they look like and it would make them bond even more. But I love it just as it is. Of course, what's the point of them falling through the floor if it isn't going to switch something up for Season 2, right?
... if housewife ghost went to the edge of her property, and our ghosts were at the edge of their property, they could all interact, right? That would be fun, and could be a new love interest for Pete, but as star-crossed lovers as they could never actually be together. (Or maybe Thor & Flower's third.) Unless Sam, Jay and the Farnsby's all agree to co-own part of the property. Maybe a shared driveway or something... OK, I'm getting ahead of myself now...
1, I think them being aware they have a curse to deal with is a switch up on its own. Though, yes, I think there will be a bit of a bigger impact from that fall besides having to come up with the money to fix the giant hole in their entryway.
2, I've wondered this too. If on their walks they might see and interact with the neighbour ghosts. However, I don't think Pete's the one that could end up having a star-crossed lovers thing, there have already been hints that Alberta thinks fondly of Pete. Perhaps Trevor should go hang out along the boundary...
2 hours ago, Mezzaluna said:OK, I'm one of people who hopes Jay gets to see the ghost because of falling through the floor and hitting his head. Otherwise I would guess that Utkarsh will get tired of just doing reaction shots while Rose gets all the good stuff.
I've got a bone to pick with the show runners. How is it that Thor - after many years of hearing English - still only has a two-year-old's grasp of the lingo? He refers to himself in the third person. He's had a LOT of time to pick up more vocab and grammar.
And then there's Sasappis. He could be a college student from the 20th century. His speech is fairly impeccable and there's no discernible accent.
1, He gets pretty good stuff, it's just the opposite of Rose. While Jay can't see the ghosts, he's still in on the secret and talks to them, like with the neighbour ghost. Plus that hilarious scene of him trying to walk through Trevor. On the other side, Sam has to ignore and pretend she isn't seeing ghosts.
2, I think this is more of an actor/character choice. Thor is a big sweet lug of a bear, but he's not the brightest. He's started to emotionally mature now, in part because of exposure to TV and Sam. His closest friendships have been shown to be with a squirrel and children that could see him (before and after Sasappis joined him). Even his attraction to Flower, fits with him being drawn towards more innocent/simple people.
Sasappis on the other hand, is both emotionally and generally intelligent. He has a vested interest in reading people and learning about them, both for his own entertainment, as well as telling stories about and to them. It's more surprising to me that he hasn't figured out the whole "sucking off or going down on" thing yet.---
I enjoyed this episode, though I couldn't help but notice an oddity or two. It was interesting that the beginning of the episode had Sam ignoring Nancy because Mark was around, and then ignoring the 50s housewife ghost because of the Farnsby's presence. I think it's possible there was another way the finale could have or was going to go. If I recall, it was this episode they were shooting when they had to shut down production for a bit because someone on set got Covid.
Also, Jay's line of relief that Sam would still be able to see ghosts came off as a bit sarcastic, to the point that I rewatched that part a couple times. It's edited to make it seem sincere after all, but there's still a bit of an eye-roll at the end of the line.
Regarding the 50s housewife ghost.. I'm a bit surprised, but maybe also not that no one's mentioned the Reagan joke. I did have to pause to think about her question (I'm mid 30s and Canadian, it took a second!), but it still made me huff a "Ha!" when I got it though.-
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On 3/30/2022 at 2:55 PM, DanaK said:
Season finale April 21 https://tvline.com/2022/03/30/cbs-finale-dates-ncis-season-19-bull-cancelled/
Bah! Not another break!! Geez-Louise!
I say this because the next episode is showing to air April 14.-
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On 3/25/2022 at 9:01 PM, LadyChaos said:
Yeas.....because the best time to be intimate for the first time is under a canopy in the middle of an estate where anyone can you....while trying to avoid scandal.....
The middle of an estate that everyone in society were actively shunning. Unless found by staff, it's unlikely any of the Bridgerton's or Sharma's would say anything publically in order to avoid further scandal. Though how Kate and Anthony got away with disappearing for so long and how Kate got back to her home in the morning is a wonder.
23 hours ago, Door County Cherry said:Once again, this show likes to present uncomfortable places as being comfortable for sex. For instance, where did that pillow come from?
The gazebo was decorated and had cushioned benches with throw pillows. I noticed because I thought the bench decor was pretty.
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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:
If not for the claw marks——unless they’re not real claw marks, but rather manifestations of what Flower believes happened? 🤔
Except part of the Daisy cafe mandate is literally teaching about bear safety. Not sure that would have been something Ira held onto if Flower hadn't died from an actual bear attack.
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Loved this episode. However, I am biased as it had an extra special treat for me. Within the first few seconds I immediately recognized the voice and eyes/eyebrows of Flower's fellow burglar and commune buddy as a person I know IRL. I didn't know he was going to be in it. Apparently, they let him keep the beans he used to count the votes for
On 11/17/2021 at 2:08 PM, kwnyc said:NARWHALS!
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On 11/17/2021 at 4:16 PM, nora1992 said:FERAL CATS IN COSTA RICA!
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On 11/15/2021 at 11:06 AM, ctlady said:So, ghosts can go through doors, can't knock anything over or grab onto anything, but......they can sit on beds, couches and chairs without going through them?
Their footsteps also make noise. This episode I clearly heard Alberta and Isaac's heels/steps when they phased into Flower's room to share their examples of overexaggerating. Halloween you could hear them walking on the gravel outside. I think this aspect of the show is just something we--the audience--need to add to our suspension of disbelief.
On 11/19/2021 at 8:23 AM, SmithW6079 said:Count me in with those who don't notice when ghosts are missing.
Sure, but you also already admitted you don't pay close attention while watching ;) Speaking of...
On 11/17/2021 at 10:32 AM, SmithW6079 said:I wasn't paying that much attention, but what happened with the two Native Americans? Did the woman ghost freak because Sassapis was honest with wanting to be with her?
Samantha got tired of the games and outed Sassapis' love for the woman before Sassapis said he'd rather be honest (yes, the woman freaked out and made an excuse to leave the convo with Sam). Sam came clean at home and when Sassapis heard about his crush's reaction, he begged for Jay to restart the games texting again. Later, Jay showed Sam his original post-first-date text that she never received, and though she now thought it was sweet, admitted she'd have run away. Then the ghost sex convo happened. So we'll see what happens between the two Lenni Lenape ghosts in a future episode I'm guessing.
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On 11/9/2021 at 10:49 AM, AnimeMania said:
I wonder if Ladonna's power is to manifest anything, anywhere or to manifest anything that she owns, anywhere. Ladonna's power has lots of potential.
I haven't quite figured out what Hayden's power is, can he communicate with (possibly just know the feeling of) any other person, ghosts, etc. Mildred said he could see the future, but I don't think he can.
LaDonna is able to manifest the appearance of things, but they're not actually there. This was shown with the necklace, her fingers went through it when trying to touch it. She also said she could "kind of" make a light. The flame blipped off and there was no smoke when Hayden blew out the candle.
On 11/10/2021 at 5:48 AM, shapeshifter said:If LaDonna has been “gone” long enough for people to notice she hasn’t aged, how does her cell phone still work?
It's only been 6 years since LaDonna disappeared. Any comments on her appearance are superficial. Except her hair and nails, she has the same weave on that she had in her reality tv pilot episode. In 2015 she would have had an iPhone 6s or Plus, both of which people still have and use now. The phone would work on wifi just fine. Her concern for her phone seems more to do with a social media habit than actually trying to get in touch with anyone.
An important aspect I haven't seen asked regarding the powers seems to be what the 4400 *can't* do. For some, their power affects everyone (Mildred, LaDonna), others only the non 4400 (Noah, maybe Shanice), and then for some, only themselves (Claudette, Hayden). Regarding Hayden, I mean that his gift is internal, though the consequences of what he sees and shares can affect others. He mentioned hearing what he knows. I think he sees/hears some things, but isn't in control of when. His reaction to hugging Mildred was similar to Shanice hugging her daughter, except where Shanice saw a memory, Hayden saw a few seconds into the future. However, Hayden doesn't see everything, the chess gift was a surprise.-
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On 11/12/2021 at 7:08 PM, Chicago Redshirt said:
There's nothing that's been shown so far to suggest that any of the 4400 are at any place other than the hotel, or that there is a separate control center. That was one of the many ways the OG 4400 was better IMO. OG 4400 made it clear how and why the government was alerted to be there to get control of the 4400 on arrival (there was a big ball of light that people thought was a comet and observers traced it to the place where it landed versus there being absolutely no reason why/how the government could anticipate the people ending up in Detroit early enough to get a perimeter established etc), how the public knew about the existence of the 4400, and where the 4400 were taken and treated (it was clearly a government compound that seemed pretty sizeable).
On 11/12/2021 at 7:47 PM, Zonk said:I think they mentioned something in episode one. Also it's impossible to have 4400 people in the lobby of a hotel all at once, without us seeing them, unless 4350 of them are invisible.
They did suggest that actually, in the pilot with Jharrel on the phone with someone at another site who said his brother Manny wasn't there. Suggesting Jharrel knows other social workers at other places. The show showed people dropping from green light openings for awhile, who knows how long it took to drop 4400 people like that. I think the idea is that there was no warning, which is why the response has been so slapped together. However, there should have been more of a gov/military presence after a few hours or a day.
On 11/12/2021 at 8:14 PM, Sakura12 said:When they should be making files on all 4400 people, comparing them to the missing persons reports and should be finding and interviewing their families. All of that would make their stories more believable. Or maybe they should have actual investigators doing the interviewing. I don't understand why they put a corrections officer and social worker in charge of them anyway?
Also a hotel is stupid place to hold people since it has multiple exits and windows and they just have regular cops guarding them. The original had Homeland Security holding them in a secure facility. The original had its flaws but they handled having 4400 people suddenly appearing much better and slightly more believable.
I mean, they have alluded to doing the missing persons aspect of that. Why they have been keeping--those "young" enough to have--them away from their families is a good question. It makes sense that the city of Detroit is stretched thin with qualified people to take on this problem. I do wonder what else it happening in the country and world within the show for things to be delegated the way they have been. Is it a similar 2021 to ours? Maybe with the exception of the pandemic?
The hotel isn't that strange, exits can be guarded. There are already cameras everywhere, as well as sleeping and lounging areas. Hotels have been used for quarantining travellers during the panini. Having them at a hotel sells the idea of not imprisoning them for a bit too.-
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21 hours ago, Johann said:
The singer was poisoned after a show and died quickly before changing. Hetty is always in full dress, it's only proper. The soldier knew he was dying soon and insisted on being in full uniform to impress the other soldiers. At least, that's what Sassapis told me. He's very convincing.
Does Jay believe that Samantha can see ghosts? I thought he did, but in this episode, he said something about her pretending to hear her imaginary friends.
Hehe. All very reasonable explanations. Though most of the ghosts actually believe Alberta died from a heart attack, not poisoning despite Alberta's insistence of a more interesting death.
I sort of wonder if Trevor was shot in his nether regions and died from bleeding out. We wouldn't see the wound since that area gets pixelated out (as shown in a previous episode). Though I supposed it's more likely to have been from an overdose, so no wound. I was not surprised at Trevor siding with Pete due to their budding bromance. I like the peeks into the ghosts' relationships with each other.Yes Jay believes her, he was joking. Everything else he says and does reflects him believing and supporting her.
I liked the touch of the ghosts having eavesdropped on the kids. Though the the couple still being together since last Halloween was surprising considering the kids' ages and the tendency for drama around then.
Also since the kids didn't start the fire, that leaves that threat still on the table. I'm curious what they'll cook up, since the writers of this show do seem to keep tabs on continuity like that.
I personally like the switches of perspectives between Jay and Sam. Especially the quiet vs noise. I did wonder how long before Sam would kick out Hetty and Alberta, but then the episode ended.
I think it may be awhile before Jay can communicate with them. However, they could have minimal ways to do so, like having buttons out similar to that viral cat video; buttons to press for common words or phrases.-
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12 hours ago, theatremouse said:
I'd call it a sort of maroonish? Not full on purple not really red either. Plus the sparkly part is really just embedded knives.
I thought it sounded and looked more like glass. To me, her wings have a similar tinkling sound to a chandelier.
This episode I found myself laughing a lot, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I am guessing next episode is when things will get jolted in to the second act of the season.
I am so glad they got to really get to take advantage of Scott Porter's (Carol) charm and talent beyond the cameo in the finale of season 5. He's so good at balancing drama and humour.-
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12 hours ago, Featherhat said:
So they actually went there and started explicitly talking about a romantic relationship/feelings between Lokis on screen and Mobius mentioned the incredible narcissism in that. I wasn't particularly surprised after the looks as Lamentis was about to end but I'm surprised it was explicitly referenced so soon, I thought there'd be a bit more subtlety than that for a few episodes at least. The end of Lamentis also reminded me of Jyn and Cassian at the end of Rogue One, not to mention still borrowing heavily from Doctor Who, I was getting extremely strong Tenth Doctor Era vibes especially with the music.
What few episodes? There's only 2 left, there's kind of no time for subtlety regarding that.
12 hours ago, johntfs said:What exactly was the point in taking the Loki and Sylvie to the robot Time-keepers for deletion for Ravonna or whoever was running the TVA? Just to be evil? I mean, I'd have figured that right after pruning Mobius Ravonna would have had Loki pruned right there.
Probably for whoever's ego of finally having caught them and to see who has been wreaking havoc for themselves (also ego related).
10 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:I still don't have tons of sympathy for Sylvie, nor do I think she's good for Loki. She's the worst parts of himself.
I mean, she burned people alive. And the worst part ? She apparently didn't have to, for things to unravel. If the show wants to put them together, fine, do it. But if Loki calls her amazing again, I'm gonna scream. Loki hon, you can do way better.
3 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:But all the murders got her nowhere.
All she had to do was kidnap one and get them to reveal where the timekeepers were. And she let that one live.
We also see her have no care over whether or not the civilians at Roxxcart whose bodies she used, lived or died.
And even if some of the killiing was necessary, lighting people on fire is a brutal way to do it.
First, as has been mentioned, she was murdering hunters who were sent to kill her. Killing all those teams was getting her access to more and more reset charger things and tempads, which she needed for bombing the timeline. Getting to the timekeepers was not the only part of her plan.
All of those civilians during the apocalypses were going to die anyways. Everyone at the TVA are just as callous regarding those people and all the people where they delete timelines. Besides that, Sylvie grew up living in those apocalypses of course she'd have been desensitized to those people dying.As for the brutality of killing the hunters that were hunting her... she was surviving. She hasn't actually lived much of a normal life since she was taken for creating a nexus event. She's been in survival mode for most of her life and at some point decided to go on the offensive, unlike Loki, her actions aren't as selfish as he's been shown to be.
5 hours ago, calliope1975 said:I'm down with Loki/Sylvie, but I'd really like her to be like, uhh, I'm good. Not interested.
Loki needs to love himself before he can love others./therapy
When those Chuck E Cheese looking muppets showed up, that confirmed there's a wizard behind the curtain. I don't think it's Gugu. Miss Minutes? Never trust an animated clock.
I'm not entirely sure it's a romantic love. However, even if it is, Loki has been on a journey of loving himself and with that end credit scene, he may be getting a chance to love several versions of himself.
I, too, am curious about Miss Minutes existence within all this...
I'm also trying to parse Renslayer asking Sylvie to prune her. Whether she knows she'd just be mind wiped and reset. If wants to forget the things she knows or just doesn't want to deal with the consequences of failing so spectacularly in front of whoever is truly behind the TVA.-
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1 hour ago, roamyn said:
Dan exploding was hilarious. Only because I thought 1) he was dreaming, then 2) he was put right back together. But I don’t understand why God felt the need to torment Dan, then told him he didn’t care who his ex slept with at the end. Why torment him, then?
I didn't take it as him torturing him. It was established that God is a jealous God and that his powers have been out of control. Also he said right after that he meant to put Dan back together, but that doesn't mean he purposely made him explode. He expressed to Trixie and Maze that he'd come to some realizations, that he'd learned things and grown (I don't think he was only talking about his children and humans, but himself as well). So his change of attitude with Dan after his day of realizations tracks as likely one of the many he had.
I really liked Dan and Chloe's talk regarding Trixie, and Chloe's conversation with Trixie. They're a great example of parents trying to do their best by their child.
While I appreciated God keeping his powers with family... babies lose toys all the time. Leaving all of that with a baby seems like a not 100% good idea. Though I suppose it depends on if he decided to leave it with the baby before or after he made himself human... still... yikes. I guess I'm too human to wrap my brain around it. ha
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2 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:
What gets me is how cool Bucky and Sam were with him almost right after that brutal fight. Tony and Steve actively stayed away from each other for a couple of years after Civil War, and T'Challa did his own form of making amends by giving Bucky shelter in Wakanda. It was weird, like, "Last week you were trying to kill us, but now we trust you to watch our backs." What?First, they weren't former close friends who started an actual *civil war* and needed time to lick their wounds. Second, neither side killed someone the other was close to.
Bucky and Sam both understand what frame of mind Walker was in during that fight. Their goal was solely to take the shield back. Walker was on edge, but they knew that going into the fight.
During the finale, there wasn't really a point where they needed to rely on trusting Walker to have their backs. And though it seemed like Bucky was bantering with Walker, I saw it as him being his usual snarky self when he's feeling neutral. Once Walker no longer had the shield Sam and Bucky seemed to be indifferent towards Walker.-
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On 4/24/2021 at 9:09 AM, TimothyQ said:
I think they stuck the landing as best they could with six episodes. The length seemed to be in a weird spot: with a 2 hour movie, they would’ve tightened up the plot a lot. With a 8 or 9 episode series, it could’ve been fleshed out more appropriately. Six ended up being in a weird no-man’s land of being too long and too short. But I think they did well with the constraints they had.
On 4/24/2021 at 9:44 AM, Racj82 said:I feel like it's been clear for a while that the flag smasher stuff was affected by outside sources and change in direction. It's pretty scattered. But, I did think that the emotions hit me so that was my focus.
On 4/24/2021 at 7:02 PM, catrice2 said:I don't know if it is true, but I heard that there were supposed to be 8 and that lots of things were changed due to filming and other restrictions because of COVID. Considering that, I think they did a fairly good job.
From what I'm aware of, each disney+ Marvel show was given exactly 6 hours to work with to be split up however they want. This show was affected by the pandemic in filming restrictions but also story, because supposedly it involved biowarfare. Which makes more sense with the way Karli kept forecasting to the "big move" that would change things, but then they end up stealing resources? The others didn't know about her plan to blow up that place. The forecasting and the end results were not all that cohesive.
On 4/24/2021 at 5:57 PM, Zonk said:Shower thought: At the end of the episode they displayed the title "Captain America and the Winter Soldier". Isn't it pretty disrespectful to still call Bucky the winter soldier after he finished his book and made amends for the things the winter soldier had done. Not to mention that he was mind controled at the time.
Shouldn't they have changed it to "Capatin America and Bucky Barnes"?
As someone else mentioned, I think part of Bucky's next journey is getting a new widely recognizable name. Throughout this series he was called a bunch of different things, Bucky, Buck, Winter Soldier, White panther, White Wolf, Sgt Barnes. He's finally come to accepting himself as he is and moving forward. I think next is figuring out who he wants to be, as in, an even better version of himself to strive to be known as. He owes Wakanda a debt, so I would guess he'll pop up there next.
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On 4/21/2021 at 6:09 PM, arc said:
Nagel said he had perfected Erskine’s serum.
My take is that the original shield is clearly US government property, but it was shredded by Thanos in Endgame. I assumed Val meant that the replacement shield’s provenance is unclear and thus the government’s claim to it is unclear. (Though if the Smithsonian is part of the government, then whatever its origins, if we assume Sam had clear title to it, he donated it to the museum and thus it became government property at that point.)
Nagel had his own idea of what "perfection" meant and it wasn't the same as Erskine's serum. His serum on appearance allowed the Super Soldier to keep their physical appearance, who know what that means for how long the appearance of injuries would last.
On 4/21/2021 at 7:21 PM, Kel Varnsen said:The funny thing about the super soldier serum is that of all the powered original Avengers Cap's powers are probably the closest to something we have in the real world. We don't have anything close to an arc-reactor powered Iron man suit, there are no Norse gods flying around, and high levels of gamma rays can cause death. But we have performance enhancing drugs, but in the MCU 80+ years later they are still trying to duplicate the serum.
Performance enhancing drugs have been around for decades now and still have some gnarly side effects and no one (that we know of) is going to genocidal lengths trying to hide or destroy the patent on how to make them or actively trying to stop scientific progress on them. Unlike with the super soldier serum.
4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:I am a bit late to the party, and everyone has posted so many thoughtful comments I cannot do much but get on the shallow bus.
Is Anthony Mackie doing his own stunts? That training montage- yummy!!
I made the mistake of pausing during that montage and fully saw the doubles face, so no, Anthony Mackie isn't doing all of his stunts.
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14 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:
Help me understand the logic of why Power Broker Sharon would lead Bucky/Sam/Zemo to one of her most valuable assets in Nagel instead of just blowing them off, leading them on a wild goose chase, feeding them to the bounty hunters, etc.
Also, the implication was that the Power Broker was the one who put the bounty on Sam, Bucky and Zemo. If so, help me understand the logic behind that.
Help me understand the logic behind Power Broker Sharon not dispatching her own men to take out Karli and the supersoldiers when she had reason to suspect that they were in Latvia thanks to Sam and Bucky.
10 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:As to Sharon, it's still problematic and nonsensical for her to be the PB no matter how you slice it.
I don't know why wanting a pardon and reinstatement could conceivably be worth it to her. As the Power Broker, she apparently has a vast fortune and resources. The downsides of her situation are she supposedly can't go home and her parents don't know where she is. Even assuming that is true and she wasn't playing Sam and Bucky, such things are small prices to pay to have enough money that you can drop $58m as a possible reward to get Bucky, Sam and Zemo.
But let's say that she does have a burning desire to get a pardon and reinstatement to SHIELD. She should be able to get these things without giving up Nagel. In fact, if she is actually the Power Broker with all the connections the name implies, she is absolutely sucktastic at the job if she can't get a pardon that when Staring Murder Machine did. And even if she felt like she needed to engineer something to make it a sure thing, she could do something smarter than risking a person who is the mind behind a trillion dollar formula.
There are better ways to keep up appearances than to kill a person who might represent a lead to Nagel, then to lead Our Heroes to Nagel, then to either have assassins truly try to kill Our Heroes and possibly her just hoping that none of them get lucky or to orchestrate an elaborate fake ambush that plays out even while Our Heroes aren't there to witness it.
As the Power Broker she would know the talents of the bounty hunters in Madripoor and whether she and the guys could take them on or not. Regarding Nagel, it doesn't seem she was interested in selling the serum as much as using it. She was trying to get Karli and the rest to come back and work for her again. We know Karli and the Asian Aussie at least both worked in the city around the same time (from their talk pre GRC bombing). The more people sniffing around to find out about Nagel and the serum likely tipped him into being a liability.
Just like Zemo, she may be "crazy" or "bad" now, but she likely has a code of some sort (if this version of her isn't a Skrull).
The Power Broker did dispatch her own men to take out the Super soldiers and they only managed to get one (who faced them on purpose), the rest escaped. She could have figured by then this was a job best handled on her own with Sam and Bucky.
Putting the bounty on Zemo et al both allowed her to shift blame of taking out a power player in Madripoor and forced them to need her which would also feed her info on their whereabouts and activities. She's a long game player.
Not saying everything was spelled out well in the show though.All the money in the world is arguably not equal to the freedom of freely going wherever whenever to some people. Never mind for Sharon it's her home country which also happens to be one of the most powerful in the world and could lead to access to more power (not the same thing as money). If Karli's exposition of Sharon's motivations are right, Sharon wants to control the world that wronged her. That's not the same as only becoming super rich.
13 hours ago, Zonk said:The MCU used to be pretty good at having non-powered humans, who have only gadgets, play to their strengths.
It's also pretty blatant since battlestar (dumb name) died by being thrown slightly hard against a pillar. You can't just have a normal human withstand the weight of an armoured truck two episodes after that.
It's not an exoskeleton though. It's mostly just fabric. You could say it's bullet proof or something (though it didn't seem like it) but it can't, by its flexieble nature, protect you from being crushed.
I'm not sure why so many people seem to have a problem with Wakanda tech (*headed by Shuri*) being able to do the same thing as the Iron Man suit? Tony also didn't have super powers, the only difference is he built his suits and Sam's was gifted. Sam had his upgraded power jet and little Redwing babies helping lift the vehicle. Only one other person has mentioned the possibility/likelihood of the suit being able to convert hits to power similar to the Black Panther suit. Sam's suit expectedly is bulkier because he doesn't have super powers and because of the wings+gadgets.
I'm more curious when Sam had the time to read the manual for all the new add-ons, his suit doesn't seem to have an A.I. Jarvis or Karen like the Iron and Spider suits.13 hours ago, Minneapple said:This is going to be unpopular, but I was not a fan of Sam's speech. I think it was because the speech was mostly cheesy platitudes, let's end racism, blah blah. For a show that actually handled race very well, and mostly subtly, it fell flat. For me, the kids playing with the shield and smiling up at Sam are much much more powerful than a speech. When Isaiah said "they" will never "let" a black man be Captain America and Sam was all, fuck "them," "I'M" going to be Captain America based on my "CHOICE," that to me says more than any speech ever could.
The speech was the concluding paragraph to the show's 6 episode long essay. There was nothing about ending racism in the speech, it was pointing it out and that he was fighting for better regardless of that. The same people who understood the nuances you pointed out aren't the same people who may need to hear the speech.
11 hours ago, swanpride said:Which it what I meant when I say that the show chickened out. Narratively it "redeemed" the US (through Sam just being accepted by the people in charge and by Walker being supposedly redeemed), and that just felt wrong. Especially when you contrast this with Bucky's story, which clearly states that redemption is not found in doing something for himself but for other. Seems like there are different rules at play when it comes the US.
Did it redeem the US? Or did the show focus on the people who would appreciate Sam, a Black man, as Captain America when showing the reaction shots? The imagery from the scene of him using his wings to shield and protect that police officer from the falling helicopter and then the scene of him with his wings out landing with a dead misguided teenager in his arms... those were screaming something else to me.
With regards to the gov accepting Sam as Captain America, they didn't really have a choice (remember the shield isn't theirs) and the country and likely the world just witnessed video of his heroics. That in contrast to the last time the shield was seen? PR nightmare to oppose it.
Walker wasn't entirely redeemed either, he just managed to shake off his PTSD and make the right in battle decision this time. He hasn't fully learned and his wife is ignoring a bunch of redflags regarding his mental health.
The main thing I cringed at on first watch as cheesy was the "Black Falcon..." "Nah, that's Captain America" lines. And Batroc's very Quebecois French... as usual. Also, Sam's "au revoir" made me smirk. My French is far from perfect, but I have ears and it amused me.
Overall, I liked it well enough the first time but enjoyed the episode more on rewatch. The pacing felt off, which I felt last episode too. I think they could have used an extra hour. Though I know all the MCU tv series were given 6 hours each, I hope they reconsider for potential follow up seasons.-
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7 minutes ago, silverstream said:
I don't know why Lemar's family wouldn't be aware of the video - we know the Flag Smasher isn't lying, but the family has no reason to believe a random terrorist who as far as they are concerned might be lying in order to try and save himself over Walker, whom they have known for years. (Plus, since they're apparently fine with Walker killing the guy in general as long as he's the one who did the deed, it's entirely possibly they'd be only marginally less fine with it if they knew the guy didn't "pull the trigger" himself but helped bring about the events of their son's death all the same.)
Count me in the group of people who think there's definitely something being set up with Lemar's sister.
I don't think the parents would want to watch much footage considering how traumatized they'd be in losing their son. The mother was talking, but it doesn't mean the rest of the family agrees with her. From the look on the sister's face, it didn't seem she did. She also may have a different point of view on her brother's friend. Lemar did mention Walkers history of responding with his fists and not being able to do that as Captain America when Walker was first introduced.
I do wonder if the sister was in support of the Flag Smashers considering how widespread they are. Though I don't think the show has the time to go there.-
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5 hours ago, SeanC said:
I specifically did take that into account, and noted that the show isn't doing anything notable to explore that either.
The existence of the GRC accomplishes nothing that wouldn't be much simpler and cleaner with just the US government.
Also, the GRC itself is such a vague presence in the series despite being so central to the plot, it took almost to the end of the series to even clarify what the stakes are.
They sort of touched on it a couple times when Walker tried pushing his "I'm Captain America" while in other countries and having people not care (spitting in his face) or straight up say that means nothing (Sam in Zemo's apartment, then followed by Ayo's statement pre fight).
Except the GRC isn't only the US, there are other nations that had a lot of power and would have interest in rebuilding borders. Plus anyone in any high position of power would likely want that back. I get what you're saying writing wise, except the aftermath of the Blip is a giant mess. Simplifying it in the storytelling would have erased just how much grey area there is. Which is also one of themes of this series, most people fall somewhere in the grey area. Not everyone knows who they are as well as Sam does.
Though explaining the harms of the GRC outside of the point of view of the Flag Smashers would have been nice.
S01.E05: Gardens In Bloom
in Queen Charlotte: A Bridgerton Story
I thought Violet already has a book for the story of her and Edmund. I’m not sure the book audience would be up for a second story with someone else. However, for the show audience, I wonder if this is a set up for the possible next limited series. It’d be a story not tied up as an adaptation. Plus, the show’s audience isn’t attached to Edmund in the same way. I haven’t read or heard anything, I’m basing this entirely on Violet’s arc thus far in this show.
As for Ledger and Agatha, while I understand the dislike for the affair, I don’t quite agree on it being out of character. “Good” people are not perfect. Progressive values and a gentle demeanour trapped in a marriage with a bigot, is not exactly a recipe for loyalty. Cognitive dissonance takes its toll eventually. I can easily see how difficult it’d become to live with when confronted with someone more in sync with oneself. Also, consider the nature of marriages for that group at that time. Marriage was primarily a business transaction. George and Charlotte were an anomaly for actually being in love and there being no mistresses.
That said, I do wonder and worry what this may mean for Violet and Agatha’s friendship, if Violet learns of the affair.
Separately, I want to say, the casting did a great job with Lord Ledger. I get distinct Anthony vibes from him (perhaps due to stature), and then also Benedict and Colin in friendliness and supportive qualities. Also, it’s funny seeing aspects of the Bridgerton girls in young Violet—Eloise and Hyacinth in particular. This episode I saw a bit more of the latter in the birthday crown making scene.