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2 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:
Toy Story 4 Remains #1 at the Box Office, Avengers Can’t Catch Avatar
And the thing is... there's obviously no way to prove it, but I sincerely believe that if they hadn't fucked over Steve's character, and if they hadn't so overtly catered to the 'toxic masculinity' crowd with the underlying storytelling, and if the 'woke' moments had been more than just superficial fan service, this movie could have shattered that record without breaking a sweat.
I know that if it hadn't disappointed me so much (Steve, Natasha, Thor), I would've gone to see it multiple times.
I'm at the point where I disliked it so much I regret that I went once and I'm not sure if I'll shell out money for the dvd.
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1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:
Now you have me curious... Which part?
The one that says:
SpoilerAt the beginning of FFH there's an "in memoriam" to Tony, Natasha, and Steve. After the way they assassinated Steve's character in Endgame if they have him die offscreen of old age immediately I am done.
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If anyone's interested:
Here's what happens in the 6 extra minutes of footage from the ‘Avengers: Endgame’ rerelease
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13 hours ago, babyhouseman said:
In this article, people commented on why Derek's teeth looked off center and he responded.
"The midline issues are from the surgery by accident. He continued, “Nothing we can do about it now."
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but weren't his teeth badly off the midline prior to the surgery? And thus the reason for the corrective surgery? I refuse to give their blog clicks to look for pictures to confirm though. In any case, I'm sure there's more to it than what Derdick says.
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If one spoiler in particular that I read concerning FFH is true, I am done with the MCU. I mean I'm already mostly out the door after the imho travesty that was Endgame but that will seal it for me.
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26 minutes ago, Danny Franks said:
Avatar set its record by being in cinemas for months, so talking about how Endgame couldn't pass it on initial release is a little unfair. If you didn't like it, then I doubt Marvel is trying to win you back with whatever scenes are added.
And of course it's a cash grab. That's what movies are. They're intended to make as much money as possible. For a long while, the cut of Endgame was quite a bit longer than the theatrical version that we've seen, so why not add some of those scenes back in and offer it to fans?
That's just it. Avatar had legs. Endgame doesn't. Endgame was ridiculously frontloaded. Casual fans saw it once and were satisfied. Other moviegoers waited to see it and once the "spoiler embargo" ended, may have decided "why bother?" Of the more hardcore fans, some percentage saw it multiple times but another significant percentage didn't.
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Just another cash grab from Marvel since they realized EA wasn't going to make $1 billion domestically or surpass Avatar. They're probably hoping that the hardcore fans who only saw it once instead of a dozen times because they were so pissed off by various things will show up in droves at the promise of "added" scenes. Added scenes which will probably amount to nothing.
I know I won't be shelling out to see it again. I said that after seeing it once and being so pissed off by it when normally I would've gone to see it multiple times as I have other movies I love. Added scenes won't change my mind.
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This video is a fairly good summary of all the problems I have with Steve's ending.
Captain America’s Ending Makes NO Sense
From this tumblr post
TABLE OF CONTENTS
LOGISTICS:
Caps Ending (1:20) Explanation From Movie (1:42) POST Movie Explanation #1 (2:39) POST Movie Explanation #2 (3:52) POST Movie Explanation #3 (5:46) Screenwriters about stevepeggy in 2016 (6:58)
ENDGAME:
Endgame “some people move on…” Line (7:42) Support Group Scene (9:06) Compass Scene (10:05) 1970s Scene (11:27) Peggys Character (12:16)
PREVIOUS MOVIES:
Cap 2 Museum Scene (10:56) Cap 2 Peggy Hospital Scene (13:03) Agent Carter Season 1 Finale (13:32) AOU Wandas Flashback Vision (13:59) Steve Considering The Future His Home (14:33) background information (15:03)
COUNTERARGUMENTS:
“steves allowed to change his mind” (16:18) “steves allowed to be selfish” (16:58) the TWO options for steves end (18:03)
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4 are definite "I won't/don't eat that" for me: liver, raw fish, oysters, and raisins.
Snails though, it depends on what type. My mother used to cook periwinkles (that we picked along the shore) when I was a kid and I loved them. I'd eat those again. I'm not sure I could eat escargot.
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1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:
So hey, I'm totally expecting Our!Steve to pop up on that series (ok, not really... but still!!) to explain his ass, and to apologize to both Bucky and Sam for ditching them, but that there was 'something important' he had to do, and that he had to step outside their current timeline for a little while to do it. And that Old!Steve is totally from an alternate timeline and that Our!Steve asked to bail him out to get Sam the new shield.
I read a fix-it fanfic with that basic premise.
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1 hour ago, Perfect Xero said:
The problem is that they wanted to have things both ways. So they end up with a time travel theory that is actually a weird mix of Alternate Universe rules and Predetermination/Time Loop.
And then there's M&M out there giving interview saying they're not experts in time travel.
What the fuck? They wrote it. They decided what the rules were. If anyone should be an expert on the time travel in AE, it's them. They're killing themselves trying to justify Steve's ending and instead all they're doing is making themselves look like hacks.
Honestly I have a hard time believing the writers who were responsible for Cap1 & Cap2 where they showed they had a good handle on Steve's character are the same writers responsible for the assassination of Steve's character in AE. It's almost like the endings for each of the main three (Tony, Thor, and Steve) were handed down from on high and they had to do whatever they could to get to those endings whether is it made sense for the character's overall arc or not.
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Yeah, so sweet he's taking care of his own kid so his wife can be with a friend. /sarcasm
It's called being a parent.
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2 hours ago, VCRTracking said:
Marvel Boss Explains How Hulk's Snap Did More Than Just Bring Everyone Back
"What was made clear during Endgame is that when a Snap happens, the snapper basically envisions what they want to happen and it becomes so. Feige explained that since Bruce Banner was Smart Hulk when he performed his Snap, he just made sure that he brought everybody back safely. Hey presto, a potential plothole perfectly rationalized and explained."
It seems to me the redditor is referring to those who were dusted in the snap being suddenly brought back 35000ft up if they were in a plane and going splat or in the middle of the ocean if they were on a cruise and then drowning. So Bruce brought back all the dusted safely.
I don't read into Feige's answer that people who died because the pilot of their plane was dusted and the plane subsequently crashed or were mowed down by a suddenly driverless car or committed suicide because their family turned to dust before their eyes were brought back by Bruce.
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Also he didn't lose a US Senate race. He lost a fricken Republican primary for US Senate. They are not the same thing.
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I read/heard an interview with the Russos or Markus & Mcfeely where they explained they went with the 5 year jump to raise the stakes, so there’d be consequences.
But what they really did was put the Avengers in a no-win situation. I know from the Spiderman2 trailer, the deification of Tony has begun in the MCU but would the world really hail the Avengers as heroes?
Let me ramble a bit about the 5 year jump. I don't think these suppositions are far-fetched.
- Thanos snaps his fingers and half of all living things turn to dust
- Countless more deaths occur immediately post-snap due to plane crashes, car crashes, etc
- Entire surviving population is severely traumatized
- In the months/years post snap, many more deaths from suicide, famine, violence over resources, disease, etc.
- World begins to reach a new "normal," people begin to move on, new relationships, children are born, etc.
- The UnSnappening: the dusted are brought back.
- The world is thrown into chaos. Again.
- More deaths from famine, violence over resources, disease, etc.
Are people really going to regard the Avengers as heroes after that? Some will. But for every person who does, there'll be one who blames them. Blames them for the snap. Blames them for the post-snap collateral deaths. Blames them for the chaos resulting from the UnSnappening. Once people learn time travel was involved, there'll be people who'll want to know why they didn't prevent the snap and all those collateral deaths.
On the other hand, if the Avengers were able to go back and prevent the snap from happening (something that wasn't given due consideration
because Tony had a kid), prevent all those collateral post snap deaths, there'd be those who hate the Avengers for erasing their new lives/families.No-win situation.
I really don't think the Russos/M&M/Feige thought this all the way through. I have no faith any of the consequences of the UnSnappening will be dealt with in any meaningful way in the MCU. It'll be handwaved away, all those consequences be damned. Because really all they cared about was Tony having a kid and family for those 5 years so they could set him up as the hero who sacrifices himself to save the world.
I probably haven't explained this well but it's something to think about.
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2 hours ago, Dee said:
I'm just glad Steve made sure to return to the current timeline to give his husband Sam their shield as a wedding present.
Only because his other husband Bucky didn't want it. 😀
Yeah, I ship the OT3.
Actually let's make it the barbershop quartet because Steve totally found a way to bring back Natasha in exchange for the soul stone.
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3 hours ago, festivus said:
Can you imagine how alternate Steve is going to feel someday when he gets dug out of the ice and finds out that our Steve went on and lived his life for him? It's horrible. There's no part of this that is ever going to work for me.
Especially since you have to believe that Peggy would choose 2023!Steve over her 1945!Steve.
2023!Steve is not the same person as 1945!Steve. He's experienced so much in the decade or so he's been unfrozen. Peggy would absolutely notice the difference. I simply can't believe she would be okay letting her 1945!Steve stay in the ice to marry 2023!Steve.
It would've been so much better if 2023!Steve went back, had his dance with Peggy and then they talked. I believe she would've absolutely told 2023!Steve that he belongs in the future and he should go back. He could then retire and hand the shield off to Sam.
So that's pretty much what I've decided Steve's ending was. I'm ignoring the rest.
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And these are the same people who wrote all three Cap films. Now suddenly they throw away all prior characterization that they wrote to shoehorn in that terrible ending. It like all their understanding of Steve's character got dusted when Thanos snapped his fingers at the end of IW.
And though I am a Stucky shipper, my hatred of Steve's ending has nothing to do with Bucky. For me, Steve choosing to live in the past is just so out of character. It goes against everything we learned about Steve in the previous films, especially his solo films.
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3 hours ago, Dani said:
True and the reality is that people bothered by it are still going to watch the next phase.
From that perspective their biggest mistake was probably killing Black Widow before her movie. That movie now needs to be amazing if it’s going to overcome the general apathy towards prequels about already dead characters.
Well this is one fan who won't be rushing out to see the next phase films when they hit the theaters. There's nothing of the upcoming movies that I'm really excited for. Sure, I'll probably end up watching them but I'll wait until they're on dvd and I can get them from the library.
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25 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:
I’m sorry. I just can’t ever accept the time loop theory, that Steve was always Peggy’s husband. Forever in denial, whatever the screenwriters say. That is just not a Steve Rogers that I could ever like or respect. 😢
They really should stop explaining and quit while they're ahead. They just keep digging the hole deeper.
I call bullshit on that ending is what they always intended. It's contradicted by too much in the previous Cap movies.
On a separate note, I spent a a lot time last night trying to make sense of how time travel works in AE. I just can't. You create a new timeline/alternate universe by a) moving infinity stones around or b) going back into the past. If that's the case, how could they ever return the stones? All that does is create new timeline. ARGhhh. I hate time travel stories especially when TPTB don't have a coherent agreed upon theory on how it works.
Good thinkpiece article on Endgame and the consequences of the Unsnappening: Avengers: Endgame’s Ending Has Some Disturbing Implications
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The question is, come June, will Josiah get a father's day post from Lauren? He should going by their logic. But I bet he won't.
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1 hour ago, Dani said:
It makes sense character wise but I was also wondering if Wanda, Bucky and Sam are being setup as the new Steve, Natasha and Sam. Just they way they were standing together felt reminiscent of Winter Soldier in particular.
I really wonder if we'll see Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan in the movies going forward. It's been reported Seb was signed to a 9 picture deal and I assume Mackie has a similar deal. They've been in 5 and 6 films respectively. They're both in demand actors for movies. So I wonder if there was some sort of renegotiation, sort of trading the movie contract for them doing the tv show.
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1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:
Keep in mind that Nat, Okoye and probably Thor are going to be featured in future movies and Hawkeye is getting his own show.
But none of that was a done deal except for Okoye in BP2. AIW & AE were filmed simultaneously and wrapped almost 2 years ago. Another Thor movie is not a sure thing.
The Russos are on record as saying AE would focus on those characters that had little screentime in AIW. Not that I believe that will happen. I fully expect Tony to get the most screentime (at the expense of other characters) because he always does and they'll shoehorn in how great the friendship is between Tony and Steve. Something that has never been established in the MCU.
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1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:
I will be searching out f***ing transcripts before I see this thing!
I've decided I need to be thoroughly spoiled before I see it or even if I see it in the theater. I don't watch superhero movies to be depressed by what happens to my favorite character.
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Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019)
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Let me get this straight: Tony essentially recreates Project Insight and gives control of it to a 16 year old boy and I'm supposed to think that's a great thing and something a hero would do?