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Are Timmy, Eliza, and Percy all supposed to be around the same age?
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I thought that Elliot’s observation that he gets an asexual vibe from Rue hit something for me. You can be an asexual lesbian, because I definitely get the feeling that she’s romantically attracted to Jules, she definitely wants to date her, but I really have never caught any sexual chemistry between the two. From Jules side, some, but she’s a more sexual character, has always worn that freely.
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9 hours ago, ReviewX said:
If Sylvia was the other fling, though, would she have met with Grace and unloaded that whole story about how she represented him on the case at the hospital? Seems to me she'd stay away from talking about him at all lest she telegraph subconsciously that they had a past.
I think the affair with Jonathan both made Sylvia feel very guilty in her friendship with Grace AND made her very aware of Jonathan’s duplicitous nature. I think she knows he’s more than just a cheater, that she saw enough to make her wary of Jonathan and protective of Grace. I think Jonathan will wield that little nugget of information at just the right time against both Grace and Sylvia.
Dude is a flat out sociopath, imo.
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21 minutes ago, Milburn Stone said:
If Jonathan is supposed to be so charming that he can charm the pants off anyone (even a jury), how come I find him charmless?
The show keeps telling us this and how he’s a dick but not a murderous one and the more they show how he charms and manipulates and that talk show dramatic emotional pause that Jonathan really tried to sell, the more I think this is all going to be a bunch of red herrings that will end in, “Yep, Jonathan was the murderer after all! Isn’t he just such a scoundrel?”
Because the story is Grace’s, her “undoing”, learning the truth from her father, her best friend(oh yeah, she totally slept with Jonathan), her husband, and, ultimately, herself, the wise therapist who helped others but never learned to help herself until she was forced to.
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3 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:
was very interesting watching Mark's meltdown regarding the penance that Bonnie put herself through. Even before he started to speak you could tell from the look on his face once Catherine started joking about the dog bed that he was in full freak-out mode.
3 hours ago, ShellsandCheese said:This would have been better without Catherine Oxenberg. Now that I'm seven episodes in, I can actually see exactly why people fell for Keith Raniere's bullshit. Also, while I'm not shocked that Sarah and Nippy (that damn name) are still married because they have two young children - I am pretty surprised that Bonnie and Mark are still married.
This was the most genuine reaction I’ve seen from Mark during this series and I didn’t mind Catherine’s presence only because she brought out the reaction. They’re all working as a team to bring NXIVM down, but Catherine is an outsider, traumatized indirectly, and able to say she was never seduced by these teachings or these people. And she showed that off in her talk with Bonnie, joking about her “dog bed”. And it was obviously not intended to be cruel, but Catherine didn’t recognize that this was painful and this wasn’t just a silly memory.
Mark and Sarah have both told these stories over and over and, imo, that’s why some of their emotions have come off as acting, rather than genuine. There’s a distance as they recount, because there’d have to be. But Mark’s response to seeing Bonnie have to laugh off her trauma, at remembering this awful detail from their relationship that they have not fully dealt with, at remembering how “stupid” they had to be to believe this stuff, and to have it sparked by an outsider, all felt more genuine than other times Mark has tried to be emotional. Not as rehearsed and both Catherine and Bonnie’s responses seemed more genuine to the moment as well.
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8 hours ago, Hiyo said:
True, but that's more on Ross choosing to share that info with everyone who was there...
It’s obvious from contextual clues in the dialogue that she was aware it was a sex anniversary, but disagree away lol.
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2 hours ago, howiveaddict said:
Narcotics in the US, or benzos like valium, have to be on paper with the Dr's signature. Not an electronic one.
My father gets his Valium just fine with an electronic script.
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5 hours ago, kariyaki said:
The thing is, the very next episode, Monica mentions that Ross hadn’t told her when he lost his virginity. So Monica just knew it was some sort of anniversary for Ross and Carol, but not specifically what.
That still means she knew it was the first time he and Carol had sex, which is still very weird.
ROSS: Oh my God, oh- is today the twentieth, October twentieth?
MONICA: Oh, I was hoping you wouldn't remember.
ROSS: Ohhh.
JOEY: What's wrong with the twentieth?
CHANDLER: Eleven days before Hallowe'en.. all the good costumes are gone?
ROSS: Today's the day Carol and I first.. consummated our physical relationship. (JOEY IS PUZZLED) SexI mean, raise your hand if you know the exact date of when your sibling first had sex with their significant other?
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On 8/13/2020 at 6:06 PM, Katy M said:
I don't think everything has to go somewhere. It was just funny.
It was worth it just for the “dilated-a-mundo”.
Watching TOW George Stephanopoulos and I’m still confused by Monica's awareness of it being the anniversary of Ross and Carol’s first time having sex, to the point that she knew the exact date. Was this an anniversary the two celebrated with others? Were there parties and Hallmark cards? Did college Ross call up his little sister to inform her he’d just lost his virginity and so she marked it down in her diary so she could...celebrate it with him?
It makes perfect sense for Ross to remember this, for him and Carol to have made this a special date, and to have Ross confessing it to the guys as to why it’s such a special day. It’s just very weird to me that Monica is that aware of this anniversary.
Then again, the writers showed off often how strangely they perceive brother/sister relationships.
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25 minutes ago, gingerella said:
Is it possible or that Hannah’s just found out she’s pregnant and that’s why she’s anxious?
Quoting BIAKBIAK:
On 8/11/2020 at 6:14 PM, biakbiak said:She is due in October and this was filmed in September/October so 4 or 5 months after she left the show.
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15 minutes ago, scrb said:You know this is all a show right?
The situations are contrived to evoke strong reactions , which almost always means casting some characters as villains.
You know this is a forum in which to share these reactions, right?
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36 minutes ago, OHW said:
I stopped watching this season 2 episodes ago but am still following this trainwreck.
Are we supposed to believe a veteran like Hannah wouldn't know the rules of bring medication on board? So disgusted on how staged the season is by the producers. Sandy and Malia look so bad going along with this like it totally makes sense! I don't mind Bugsy so much. She does seem focused on her job and not so involved with causing drama.
Personally, I think Hannah is just dialing it in this season but I totally feel bad for her by the shitty treatment she is getting in all directions. I'm glad for her sake, she'll be off the boat soon and she has something worthwhile in her life to look forward to soon.
On the other hand, I feel like Sandy and Malia will be villainized for quite awhile.......deservedly. Professionally, Malia is good at her job but she is such a hypocrite and entitled. I thought that way about her in season 2 when she acted all innocent about the love triangle she was "stuck" in.
I agree wholeheartedly about the orchestration and I’m curious how detailed it all was and how many were in the know. I definitely think the triumvirate of Sandy, Bugsy, and Malia was set and was part of selling them on this season, with the added incentive of them all teaming up against Hannah. Maybe not in getting her fired, but definitely in at least demoting her. Just any way to gang up and humiliate her.
I do wonder if Hannah was in on it at all. Obviously not the reveal of the meds, I think that was just a lucky find on Malia’s part and maybe she’ll get a bonus for lining up the kill shot. But overall I do wonder if Hannah was given some idea, though i’m assuming she caught on right quick when Bugsy reappeared.
My biggest question is how did Bravo think this was going to sell. Did they think that the Hannah hate was enough to balance out Sandy/Malia/Bugsy behaving horribly and stupidly and so very unlikeable? Did the women know how much they’d be villainized, because the way they’re all doubling down, I get the impression they think they should each be crowned and Hannah stoned? Overall, I’m just curious if this is all playing out how they each expected. The show is certainly not gaining viewers, Hannah is likely the happiest she’s been in a long time, where’s the win here?
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Watching the rerun of TOW the Tiny T-shirt, and it’s the first episode with Joey’s play and meeting Kate. What’s confusing to me is all that talk sand all the rehearsals that imply this dramatic play, especially with how Kate waxes poetic about the playwright. But then we see that bizarre part of the play with the spaceship ending and I’m not sure why. I mean, yes, they made it into a joke, but it wasn’t a funny joke and...Meh.
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On 7/8/2020 at 9:37 AM, Persnickety1 said:
So tragic all the way around.
After watching my BFF go through her own Dan debacle, I've always understood why Betty did what she did. I don't condone it, but I do understand it. In Betty's mind, it was psychological self-defense. Dan was never coming back, her life would never be the same, and her entire world was yanked out from under her feet. When the ending scene showed Betty laying down on her cot in the cell, my first thought was that was probably the first good night's sleep she'd had in years because the "enemy" was no longer a threat.
I don't believe I could ever have been driven to do what Betty did, though. From getting the gun, stealing the daughter's key (I can't even imagine the level of guilt that girl still deals with), driving over to Dan's house, using said key to find a way into the house, climbing the stairs, going into their room with the loaded gun drawn and pointed...damn, that's a whole lot of fucking premeditation right there. A sane person would have pulled back at some point and not followed through. Unfortunately, at that point, Betty wasn't sane. Not even close. Her friends obviously knew this and had concerns about Dan's safety, but their concerns fell on Dan's deaf ears. She would never kill her "golden goose." Well, guess again, Dan. Unlike what you believed, this was never actually about money for Betty.
I'm not sure Betty will ever be granted parole due to her lack of remorse that's held steadfast all of these years. Maybe she's adapted so well to prison life that she's content there. Maybe in her mind, it's worth losing her "outside" life just so she can sleep at night knowing Dan and Linda aren't inhabiting the earth.
Like I said, the level of premeditation that went into murdering Dan and Linda was pretty significant. A sane person would have stepped back and reconsidered. I think combined with her lack of remorse, the premeditation is also a sticking point for the parole board. As unstable as she was, she was cognizant enough to form that plan and then carry it out. No matter how much (justified) hatred I had towards Dan and Linda, I believe I would have stayed rational enough to talk myself off that proverbial edge.
Not that I'm an angel by any extent of the imagination. I can absolutely put myself in Clara Harris' place and hitting that gas pedal with the quickness. Of course, Clara served her sentence and is now back in society whilst Betty still sits in prison white-knuckling her hatred of her victims.
I'm looking forward to seeing how next week's episode puts all the ensuing legal shenanigans what with the two trials, etc., into a 45-minute time frame.
OT, but I looove your avatar 🙂
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What I still don’t understand, what I don’t think the series has portrayed, is why Dan went about everything as visciously and cruelly as possible. Look, unhappy in a marriage, get a divorce, whatever. Cheating is a sign of pure disrespect for what the marriage and the person, imo. But Dan seemed to take pure pleasure in absolutely destroying her, happy to lead her on just to make sure the fall would hurt the most.
I see how awful it became, very well illustrated in this episode, but other than being very driven and wanting to go bigger and better once Dan became more successful, I don’t get why when things first started to go bad, why it was *so* bad. Maybe I’m that naive or maybe I need to read one of these books because the series didn’t really show a build. Was Dan really that one-dimensional and uncaring? Was he that vengeful? I just don’t get that vengeful feeling from the start. What did Betty do to deserve that? Honestly asking here.-
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Chandler’s right, a wedding IS just a party.
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TOW Mrs. Bing has one of the most (unintentionally, likely) creepy storylines. No, not Ross making out with Chandler’s mom, but Monica and Phoebe fawning over a stranger in a coma, even going as far as changing his pajamas.
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I’m just gonna say I was totally on Joey’s side regarding Hugsy, his bedtime penguin pal. Getting Emma her own was completely reasonable and a good solution. That she didn’t respond perfectly immediately was not a big deal, imo. She was a baby and would’ve adjusted eventually. Yes, it’s a stuffed animal, but it still was Joey’s and had personal value to him and Rachel acting as if Joey should give it up to Emma just because always annoyed me.
That aside, when Rachel calls Hugsy a “stupid penguin” and Joey covers Hugsy’s ears and Rachel scolds him for it is easily one of the funniest moments.
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I’m also rewatching TOW Rachel Goes Back To Work and it reminds me that the storyline with Gavin Mitchell(Dermot Mulroney) always felt abrupt to me. Like it should’ve been more developed and lasted a little longer, but the writers were forced to rush it for some reason.
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21 hours ago, cardigirl said:
Is it possible to be complex? To make some good choices and some bad choices and be defined by the sum of them?
i don’t know. It’s interesting to me, that shows (and books) will present characters, in complex situations, but one is deemed the hero, and can do no wrong, and one the villain and have no worth. It’s like we can’t conceive of people having good and bad in them.
Of course it’s possible to be complex. Just look at Lenú and Lila, who are wonderfully complex characters and have the audience championing them in one moment while equally frustrated and angry with them and their actions(and inactions) in the next. There’s a knowing cruelty in many of Lila’s actions, for example, especially towards Lenú, that I cannot stand, but looking at her sincere happiness for Lenù’s success, looking at the life she’s working through at a meat factory, just to have independence and freedom, I still feel for her, I still want her to find her own success and her happiness, because at her core, she is not a cruel person, just a human being trying desperately to be in charge of her own life, her own future, and escape the oppression of her husband/family/neighborhood.
I don’t necessarily think it’s as black and white as hero and villain, exactly, but one’s actions do speak for onesrlf. Yes, all characters are human and therefore flawed but, for example, an abuser is someone whose motivation is to denigrate, break down, possess, force. An abuser might fully believe that they are motivated by “love”, but it’s their distorted version of love and it can only exist and thrive by the abuser’s rules and perspective and at the cost of the abused and the abused’s wants and needs. That kind of action in a character, imo, defines them and no amount of backstory justifications actually justifies the actions.
To sum up: A decent character can be complex and have shitty moments, but is still a decent character. A shitty character can be complex and have decent moments, but is still a shitty character. Redemption and change is possible, sure, but it requires effort, action, and remorse, imo. And, as the audience, it’s possible to enjoy that shitty character, I certainly have, but I also think it’s important to enjoy them as a character without trying to excuse the shitty behavior.
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On 5/6/2020 at 5:57 PM, cardigirl said:
I don't cut him slack, I see him as more complex perhaps than you do. I don't like what he does, but he has also shown a vulnerable side, a desire to be loved, a desire for a family. He is incapable of getting what he thinks he wants from the woman he thinks he loves because he doesn't know any better. He turns to Ada because she is easier. And Ada knows it. That's what she's saying to Lila when she comes over to the house. She starts cleaning and taunting her by saying "this is how you take care of someone who loves you?" when Ada would love to take care of him. But he doesn't want Ada, except that he can have her, so he does.
And then, as Lenu's parents were laughing about, he gets caught with "two wives and two babies." If he were truly terrible, he would have not taken care of her or that baby.
I'm not sure the if the show will make clear whether or not Stefano tries to help financially take care of Rino after Lila leaves him.
Ada is willing to conform to Stefano, value what he values, be the woman he specifically wants. Men like Stefano look at women like Lila as something to break, something to win. I’ll agree that he took Ada because she’s easier, but I don’t believe his love was so genuine or vulnerable for Lila. He wanted, he needed, he demanded, he took, he stole, he broke. None of that was love, even if he called it that as he raped Lila during that storm. Not all of the men we’ve seen force themselves on women or beat them into submission. We are shown that marked contrast in Enzo, who clearly wants something more with Lila, but doesn’t force himself on her.
Stefano’s reputation is much more important to him and just like he has convinced himself that this proprietary hold he has on Lila is love, he convinced himself that as long as Lila didn’t say it, Gino was his and he was a successful, happy family man in his neighborhood, his businesses, etc. And look, he has the strong willed woman no one else could ever tame! So nah, I don’t give him credit for keeping the facade going, because he benefitted from it. And with Ada, he ultimately benefited as well, after Lila left.
I don’t think Stefano is all that complex. He’s simple and he tried to handle his life as simply as he knew how. It’s not portrayed as something the audience should be conflicted over, though, imo. The way he was filmed and lit the first time he raped Lila on their honeymoon, that rape scene during the storm while he kept telling her he loved her as he rutted away on top of Lila’s inert body, how he attacked his nephew, how Lila and Ada bonded over their bruises, these aren’t scenes meant to highlight that Stefano is just misunderstood or only a product of his time. He’s an abusive POS amongst many other abusive PsOS, sure, but it’s highlighted that these are very negative qualities that one should try to escape from.
After this season, the only men I could even slightly root for are Pasquale, Pietro, and Enzo**, but it’s a super low bar.
**Enzo just barely eeked by here, after not respecting her choice and bringing her back to the neighborhood and Stefano. On the other hand, he currently seems to be the most positive man Lila has ever had in her life. Again, I know, low bar lol.
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1 hour ago, Glade said:
I couldn't stop guffawing when Heidi's cleavage was so hyper-visible/practically bursting out of that tacky dress she was wearing on the runway
It looked like she was wearing a hard candy wrapper.
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You know those little actor tics you pick up on and once you do, it’s all you can notice for a while? Like how Aniston and Schwimmer always do that throat clearing thing?
I noticed another Schwimmer tic recently. When he kisses people, he punctuates them with a “Mwah!” Not with long, romantic kisses, but like when he kisses Ben or Monica.
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3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:
Is there anyone with a penis on this show who isn't in love with Lila? Now Enzo too?
That was ridiculous, him confessing he’s also loved her since childhood. Come’on! Though, him bringing her home to her husband and to her life of repression doesn’t exactly exhibit this all consuming love, imo. I appreciated what Pasquale said and, at this point, he’s the only neighborhood boy I can still root for,
After dragging her secret lover out of hiding from the back room of her husband’s shoe store, watching Lila gush to Lenú that money and schooling didn’t matter to them, they’d just live on love(!), you just knew it was all going fall apart. Lila tasting real attraction and sex without rape and with a man who is so different than the men in her life, her age and naïveté really came through. But insecure men are not just of one class or one level of education. Nino has shown before with Lenú how threatened he is by others’ success or intellect. Lila was a challenge, an enigma, clay he could mold for himself. Once Lila was beyond that, once Nino was not succeeding, the little love nest lost its appeal very quickly.
I really loved how they filmed Lenù’s reaction to seeing Lila again and finding out about her and Nino still being together. How everything was out of focus, how it rocked whatever balance she had been maintaining all this time she stayed away from them, and once again, Lila helped fuel her fire, burning away her insecurities that she wasn’t good enough for the school in Pisa, because screw that, she was getting out. Well, that, and, you know, that mom killing herself. I really look forward to seeing Lenú having a life outside of the neighborhood, independent of Lila(for a little while, at least).
I can’t say I felt for Stefano. I’m sure he loves Lila in his own messed up way, and it’s been illustrated again and again that being a brute is perfectly acceptable husband behavior in their families. But that doesn’t mean Lila has to accept or ever embrace the man who brutally raped her on their wedding night, who betrayed the partnership she thought they were getting into when they decided to get married. Stefano doesn’t get it, doesn’t see why everything he has done and given her since then doesn’t win her love and affection. But I get it. For his own pride, she knows he’ll embrace this baby and Lila will be able to use it as another manipulation tactic. In her position, she needs to have some kind of power play.
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S01.E07: Intimate Angels
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Thanks. I thought so, too. It’s just weird because of the RL ages of the actors, like there’s almost 20 years between JB Smoove and Melissa Fumero. And about 10 between Randall Park and Smoove.
Until their time in HS was referenced, I definitely did not think Timmy and Percy were peers. Let alone Eliza and Percy.