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5 hours ago, lili45 said:
Ah, Jessica. You’re not nearly as hot as you think you are. And your comments re Lindsey were mind boggling. No, you’re not hotter than Lindsey, you do not look like her daughter. Please! Please get over yourself! Lindsey actually looked great, and you could easily be sisters. Jessica, so full of yourself.
Best thing about comments like these, now captured for all cringey posterity, is that years from now when younger women inevitably make the same kinds of cracks about her, she gets to replay this moment in her head over and over. Of course, any regret or self awareness will be drowned in the ocean of Botox and filler required to convince herself she’ll always be young and hot—but she’ll know the truth.
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3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:
why even those of us who have fond memories of Bunim/Murray shows from the '90s and early '00s have complicated feelings about them today. That's hardly the worst behavior production encouraged (they fed Puck's "bad-boy legend" nonsense by putting him on television regularly for a decade; they invited the violent CT back for Challenge after Challenge; they didn't send Julie herself packing after the harness incident), but it's troubling. Just because it was a cute blond girl doing it didn't make sexual harassment wholesome fun.
Yes, well said. I am making my way through rewatching all of the older Challenges on Paramount+ Right now that start well after the old school Road Rules and Battle of the Seasons/Sexes (which they don’t have) with the first one being the Inferno 2 up to present day.
It’s a masochist exercise that I don’t particularly recommend unless you’re looking for some background noise.
The early aughts challenges are *horrifying* in so many ways. Of course the Tonya sexual assault lingers in everyone’s minds along with Kenny, Evan, Bananas, CT, Wes, Veronica, Tina, etc just generally behaving terribly, but some of the bullying and rampant misogyny got so dark on certain seasons and episodes that it almost made me want to cry: Tonya getting called a r*tard by the boys and viciously ganged up on by the women; clothes getting dumped in pools; women getting called sluts or dumb and stupid and having inferior strength that’s weighing the men down; sooooo many sizeist and negative comments from women and men about challengers’ weights. The Gauntlet 3 finale where Big Easy appears ready to die with his eyes rolling back in his head as he’s being dragged through the final challenge and getting screamed at by Evan and Kenny is the one I finally had to turn off.
BMP is lucky someone hasn’t actually died on one of these things or that there haven’t been further lawsuits despite the draconian contracts they all have to sign.
Like the earlier RW seasons not appearing on TV, you can watch some of the very early Road Rules seasons on Dailymotion, on your computer or phone, and that’s probably what I should be doing (I started RR European Adventure the other day).
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It’s not looking great for future seasons 😩.
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Not much of an update…they lost to Drag Race, and Melissa posted a photo of their table roster—Julie was not seated with them and must have been at a separate table with some of the other show producers. No pics from her or from Beth after her glam was finished.
Some cute pics and candid videos of the rest of them all decked out and in the elevator, but no one has posted a formal group shot yet of the attending cast, with or without That Woman.
Imagine attending an event like this and your poor behavior and choices leading you to be seated at an entirely separate table from the rest of your cast. Again, my literal nightmare. If she ever addresses this she’ll doubtless frame it in victim mode as “oh the cool kids wouldn’t let me sit with them.”
Someone should also probably do a quick safety check on Jeff Goldblum today.
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It won’t let me post a screenshot because the jpeg size is too big, but Julie is on Beth’s IG Live right now getting made up for the CCA show tonight…I guess they’re closer than I thought (but Beth also never, ever misses an opportunity to promote her line of false eyelashes).
Jon Brennan also popped in for a minute to say “hi”, but no real tea to spill. Julie is being as OTT and extra as always gushing about how she hopes she sees Jeff Goldblum at the show tonight and will lose her sh*t if she does; thanking people who compliment her, notably saying “oh i like you-can I follow you?” to a woman who posted in the comments that “Kelley is a Karen” (pretty sure that title is firmly Julie’s now). And Beth mentioned something about how sweet it was “that the whole cast came together in the end,” with Julie doing absolutely nothing to dissuade her from that fallacy.
I know the whole cast was invited, but this also solidifies that this woman has zero, zero shame (I mean duh, but wow). Any normal person would be so mortified at the current backlash against them and the prospect of seeing these people again that they’d stay far, far away from them. I’m now getting anxious just thinking about it. Do they all have to sit at the same table or in the same section together?! Holy freaking awkward hell.
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Great line from that Variety article:
“Julie is doing “The Comeback” — the fictional reality show about a faded star who will try any gambit to get back onto magazine covers — while her castmates are doing “42 Up.”
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19 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:
Here's the post from the Redditor who tried to put together the real timeline using outfits, hairstyles, and other context clues. It's eye-opening and probably very close to accurate. The events presented in a more honest sequence would have made for a better season.
https://www.reddit.com/r/therealworld/comments/v69vhn/organized_timeline/
Thank you so much for linking to that timeline! That Redditor is doing the lord’s work and deserves a trophy of their own this week.
Feel like such an ass for going so hard on Kelley-but also, shame on BMP for that total hatchet job of editing, and more importantly for not removing Julie from the house. Or further shame on me for expecting better of them, I suppose.
Clearly we are already some super invested fans of this show—I don’t know why they thought showing the actual chronology of events would make us stop watching it. Honor your audience!
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Wow wow WOW.….we got our “more to the story” context! And now I feel completely terrible and relieved that Kelley and the rest of the cast mates were only emotionally scarred and not physically hurt by this f**king loon. Cornering someone and verbally abusing them over a busted coffee maker?! And I don’t know if there’s ever been a more chilling sentence uttered than “If I stop, will you stay?”
Coincidentally I also just learned about the term “fawning” yesterday as a method of placating and flattering your abuser to calm them down and hopefully appeal to their ego to help you escape from them. This was in a podcast about people sharing their stories about their relationships with toxic, harmful abusers (it’s called “Something Was Wrong”-highly recommend).
The particular episode mentioning fawning was also referencing a serial killer, so you know, great company, Julie. Congrats?
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4 hours ago, Bastet said:
I don't see a comment from Kelley (and can't load more comments, as I don't have an Instagram account); what did she say?
She’s on board for Tokyo live-streaming his appearance at the Critics Choice Awards on 6/12 and hinted she may also be in for making the trip to the ceremony in LA. At least that’s how I interpreted her comment: “Oh I’m in. And I may also… be in”
David says “we’ll” be attending, but if Kelley is even considering attending I have to assume Julie won’t go. It’d probably be Tokyo/Danny/Melissa, maybe Kelley and Jamie, doubtful Matt and Julie.
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19 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:
thank you.. and there is a lid for every pot ... Just cause someones doesn't have a six pack doesn't mean they arnt someones idea of a good time :)
Love that expression :)
I find Jamie extremely attractive, dorky oculus and all.
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6 hours ago, Asp Burger said:
A Julie observation: It's hard to sort out what's real and what's contrived for cameras with her, but something that appears genuine is that she's really uneasy about being past 40 now. It would be interesting to go through the six episodes and count how many times she has made comments about the cast acting "old" and how she's the exception to it. "Senior Acres." They go to bed too early. They didn't want to stay at the club longer. Matt takes naps (horrors). Kelley is compared to her grandmother. When Julie was drunk and even less guarded, and Melissa said "We're old as fuck," that triggered her to a furious denial.
Some of the things that get her most excited are childish. Building forts, Nerf wars? And the person she's getting along with best is Jamie, who's acting the most childish of the other six. The difference between them is that I think Jamie's got his own number. He has no illusion that he's other than a middle-aged dad for whom some of the youthful dreams didn't pan out. He's looking at this as a break from his reality, in which he leaves his adult responsibilities for a while and acts like a twentysomething again. I don't think Julie has the same self-awareness.
Melissa, Tokyo, Kelley, and Matt didn't approach Homecoming as an opportunity for regression, and she's not clicking as well with them. Danny didn't either, but he's being more indulgent of her.
This!
None of this would be a problem if they’d all just let her regress 22 years like she was hoping. Pretending you’re still a child is much easier than confronting the reasons why your adult life and relationships haven’t turned out the way you thought they would.
In her original season it wasn’t a facade—she was practically a child. There was still some artifice around her cluelessness and naivety, since I think she knew exactly what role she’d play in the house, but she had no history with her cast and was an eager, open sponge for new experiences and viewpoints. I remember finding Julie annoying, but she was also light and clearly had a lot of fun with everyone.
Then her hunger for extending her 15 minutes and turning that fame into her primary source of income took over, bleeding directly into marrying at 24 and starting a family. I’m her age and barely felt ready for all of that at 34!
It does look like after she married Spencer she earned a degree, got into diving, and now manages some properties they own in addition to motherhood, but well-adjusted she ain’t. I think it’s very possible Julie has no idea who she is and still holds a ton of resentment toward a church that still got its claws into her by duping her into thinking marriage and kids were the end all be all, no further identity required.
OR, to quote the Simpsons, “Some people are just jerks.”
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Once again: Ohhh Beth!
She just can't get out of her own way on these challenges, and social awkwardness aside, why is somebody still so deathly afraid of heights coming back into the game in denial that she’ll be able to avoid that element? If you haven’t dealt with those fears in 20+ years, what incentive is there to do so now?
Waste of a spot for sure.
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1 hour ago, BingeyKohan said:
I feel sure that Julie tried to rig this all as a backdoor pilot for her and her husband to get their own horny post Mormon reality show.
I want to like Kelley, and do, but yes she was a bit extra this ep. I question the timing here. It seems like they’d want the come on be my baby thing and the Mardi Gras like parade to happen late in filming as a capper … so if that is all about to play out why leave with so little time left? Either she left earlier than it seems (and we’ve already seen stuff from after she left, without knowing it) or she always had to leave early for some other commitment and they asked her to turn it into self-care drama rather than … just leaving early for scheduling reasons. I think she thinks she is building a brand so I could see her agreeing to fake out a story about listening to yourself to mask a need to only give them a week.
You take that back from putting it in the universe *right now*!!! (It would definitely be on TLC, or like Discovery+)
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52 minutes ago, BelleBrit said:
I'm also surprised that they have not shown a clip of Melissa throwing the chair-it was such a heavily promoted clip when the show was being aired. I was also wishing that they included that Peter had a girlfriend in those clips of when he and Kelley first started dating! 😉
I remember in the book for the season, other cast members/production said that Kelley would spend a lot of time going to the movies before she met Peter, since she couldn't be filmed there. Production also complained about her trying to manage her image on the show. I hope that one of the other cast members sheds light on how many days were left on the project before Kelley left early (assuming she does). I wonder how their contracts handled payment if cast members exited before the full two weeks was up.
Is it too late to hope that Squirrel makes a surprise visit before the season is over? 😆
That’s interesting about Kelley ducking production by going to the movies, I had no idea!
Another thing I didn’t notice earlier about those comfy oversized FLOW sweatshirts she gave them all is that the cameras openly show the acronym along with the words spelled out on the backs (Finding Love Over Worry)—but blur out the word FLOW on the fronts. Now I’m wondering if she ran into copyright issues across the board on the concept (maybe it’s trademarked by a yoga company or something like that?) which would also mean traditional publishers wouldn’t touch her book unless she first agreed to alter the branding.
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1 hour ago, ljenkins782 said:
Julie actually said "I love how we're bucking convention" or something like that. Out loud. Because nothing says edgy individualist like calling yourself one out loud.
Yeah, much as I loved them re-recording it as a group, I was not buying the revisionist history around it. His motivations for doing it were the same as his motivations behind the stripper fashion show, he had an image he wanted to project and he was gonna stick to it come hell or high water.
His description of it as "flow" to answer those same questions was just his excuse for going his own way.
And yes, it did become a viral moment, but it was a viral cringe moment.
After a wonderful redemption edit for Tokyo, bits of this episode and the previews for next week show a little bit of the old David peeking through. He's still very closed off and not even answering basic questions like "do you have kids?" is true commitment to being overly guarded.
No surprise there, but good to have confirmation since Julie is such a practiced liar with her "shirtless pic" comment.
And IIRC, she was trying to show that pic to Matt (or was it Jamie)? Either way, who walks around showing ANYONE naked pics of their spouse, but why would she think the guys in particular would be interested is a mystery. Why do I get the feeling that their sex life is entirely performative, like who can be the loudest or most visibly into it.
They are SO edgy and unconventional, and SO, SO happy, and Spencer is just dripping with jealousy that other guys get to be in the same house with Julie for two weeks, he misses her SO much!! (🤮)
Yup, it’s always the couples hollering the loudest about how happy and in love they are that get my internal “divorce stopwatch” going.
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On 6/1/2022 at 9:36 AM, Keywestclubkid said:
at this point I would drive Kelly home myself Jesus fucking christ what a wet blanket
Come sit by me! 😂
Kelley’s “concept about maturity” epiphany she had during their van ride to brunch obviously excluded her own petulant behavior:
(Driving past the parade being set up)
“I know I seem like a party pooper, but I hate that contrived stuff—I don’t like it at all.”
When Jamie proposed house nerf gun wars at brunch: “That sounds like a lot of fun for YOU. YOU all have fun.”
Get it, everyone?? Kelley is NOT happy! Never mind that Julie accused one POC in the house of manhandling her, denied taking money out from under the other, threw the gay guy under the bus, and is trying to jump Jamie’s bones—and yet they are all still toasting with Julie at brunch—Kelley gets to be the most unn-com-for-table (tm Julie)!
And of course emotional distress isn’t a contest, but Kelley’s comportment here and how much she’s letting Julie affect her into having this kind of reaction compared to the others isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement for her life coaching prowess.
On another note, I agree with Melissa that Tokyo is incredibly talented as a musician, and it’s a bummer that he’s moved away from music professionally. I had never considered how self-conscious he would be after “Come on be my baby” and that’s a shame, but very understandable. I got chills when he sang out those first notes again!
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23 hours ago, heatherchandler said:
I love Danny, I want more of him. Maybe he gets his own show… not a reality crapfest, but something.
I wonder who bought his sweater and if they still have it.
I’ll watch Austin Homecoming! Busted-eye Danny and Melinda after their divorce… drama!Oh God, sullen, sulking Danny! Nooooo!!
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She could hold her own physically, but socially I think Julie probably wouldn’t survive on an All Stars Challenge. Beth was sort of friendly with her back in their early 2000 Inferno/Gauntlet challenge days and has more recently (tepidly) defended her on social media. That was before most of Julie’s Homecoming shenanigans unfolded, though. I’m guessing she’d now walk that support back and that many of the old timers would consider Julie too loose of a canon to keep around for long. And as long as Veronica is on an All Stars Challenge, forget it—you probably aren’t going to make nice with someone who maybe/maybe didn’t tried to kill you, even decades later!
That said, I’ve been re-watching some of the old Challenge seasons on Paramount+, and it’s sad and really disturbing how much more rudderless and desperate Julie has become even since then (and the bar was already low!) Her behavior on her first few Challenges was off-putting and didn’t endear her to competitors already aligned with Melissa. Around the Inferno 2 was also when she first met Spencer, and she was still very hung up on morality and siloing herself off with LA Jon to look down on the rest of their cast for getting drunk and hooking up (and big HA to that now!).
But by her last couple of Challenges she had also proven herself competitively, seemed to have relaxed a bit, and made friends, even making it to the finals of her last season of the Gauntlet 2.
This reunion could have been a great redemption arc for Julie dovetailing nicely into future All Stars Challenge seasons. That…is not what’s happening. I don’t know WHAT’S going on in her personal life, but as a producer, seeing what we’re seeing now, I’d be completely turned off. But who knows.
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18 hours ago, Lantern7 said:
I heard two of the substitutes were Beth and Sophia. You could probably guess which one I wanted to come into the game. I was also thinking that another logical thing would be to bring back Cynthia, another person that I like a lot. Cut to BMP: "Fuck logic, and fuck you. Fuck you specifically, Lantern7."
Ugggggggh. Beth. She is so taxing. And, natch, she gets an Arena where she has an advantage (really trying to to shame here) and her opponent was easy to bruise. Cut to me staring in the distance, flashbacks of her beating Ruthie and Montana playing in my head. Who wants that? I don't want that.
Oh, and they showed the Veronica/Rachel/Abram hot tub threesome. Yeah, that was a long, long time ago, but I remember that, and then I remember those two trying to take the high ground with Sarah. A mission with heights, and there's no bug-eyed Mormon within miles of Veronica. Shit.
Also shitty . . . Darrell exiting. I think a case could be made for Steam Roller to be added to the mix of elimination games, but seeing Darrell get banged up makes me wonder if it's worth it. I can't hate Jordan for winning. I can hate Jordan for that hair and the unhealthy relationship with Nia, but I can't hate him for winning.
What do we think exactly happened to Darrell?! It’s freaking me out—severe cramping that felt like a million Charlie horses? Or did something actually break? It seemed very painful, and I hope there weren’t/aren’t lasting repercussions.
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22 hours ago, AntFTW said:
I agree that it has been lacking on the flagship. The flagship has been getting a little boring once it gets midway through the season because they usually will have eliminated all the shit starters and pot stirrers… and that’s another reason Kailah should go back to the flagship. Kailah’s usually great for drama and not ruthlessness on the flagship. Maybe she can increase the ruthlessness on the next round of the flagship show.
The vets have been a disappointment. Johnny, Wes, Jordan and the others you mentioned probably would not survive with the new crop of "vets" because they are targets as soon as they walk into the Challenge house. I wish most of the older vets would return to the show more often like Cara (without Paulie), Johnny, Laurel, and others. Wes came back for seasons 33 to 36 but no one was usually willing to play the game with him.
When they announced the All Stars show, they sold nostalgia. Just like the reason they are doing the Real World Homecoming seasons, they are selling nostalgia. I used the wrong words before, or rather I wasn't clear enough. I said "good vibes" but what I meant was the "good vibes" brought on by nostalgia. Season 1 of All Stars didn't have much drama at all. It wasn't a very ruthless game but it was still great season, and I personally think it's the best season of the show so far. I don't mind the ruthlessness but give me that wrapped in a flag of nostalgia. Kailah ruins the nostalgic vibes of the show for me. TPTB seem to think we want to hear one of her age-related jokes in each episode.
I feel like they dropped hints in the first episode. It's weird.
The first season was magical! At the pace they aim to churn these things out though, there’s bound to be diminishing returns with each new All Stars season and a little more luster lost, especially now that we’ve seen some of the competitors for all 3; the typical cliques and hierarchies will play out here too the longer the show goes on.
Wouldn’t have predicted Nia and Jordan hooking up, but sure, okay! Jonna/MJ messing around, however, has thrown a bunch of ice cubes over my warm fuzzies. That’s not at all what I’m looking for in this show.
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7 hours ago, Asp Burger said:
My sense of the way the Homecoming seasons work is that we will get some scenes with all seven people together and some with smaller groups, and that's just the way it unfolds. I hope I never see Tami Roman on television again, but when she decided to stay behind at the house while the rest of them went on Outward Bound: The Middle-Aged Version, I was okay with her decision. She "showed up" plenty in the rest of the season, and people could feel how they felt about what she added.
Whether Kelley noped out on the bar because she didn't want to be around drunken shenanigans, or she had a deadline, or she was on a hot streak with what she was writing and didn't want to interrupt the flow (ha!), or drag isn't a favorite entertainment form of hers (probably not that, since she participated in Anthony's show during the original season), I don't have a problem with it. She did say yes to the season, and so we're all getting something to talk about. If she'd said no, maybe we'd be watching or choosing not to watch Real World Homecoming: Austin.
Very true, and Tami’s opt outs were a lot more brazen: “have fun in the desert! Not for me!”
Okay, Tami! They all put in their time however they needed to and got their payout, so good on them.I’m thinking someone will have to pay ME to watch an Austin reunion.
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7 hours ago, Dani said:
Does it really matter is she actually had wiggle room? I always try to set my personal deadlines ahead of the real deadlines to give me breathing room. I hate feeling pressed for time and taking things down to the wire. Kelley isn’t required to sacrifice her comfort level for the show. Even if she 100% used it as an excuse because she didn’t want to go there is nothing wrong with that.
Uhhh she kind of is. They all signed the contract, and that’s kind of the gist of this whole enterprise, same as the first time around.
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1 hour ago, Zizzlezazzle said:
*Two Weeks* thanks, I stand corrected there. The timing still leads me to believe working on the manuscript was more of an outlet and an escape than a necessity, but I’m glad she was able to figure everything out.
After peeping the publisher’s website, it’s also pretty clear that she was paid way more to do the reunion than that book advance would have been.And actually, I’m realizing neither of the 2 primary search hits for “Three Trees,” the publisher listed for her book on Amazon, in any combination of publishing/press/books lead to a separate publisher’s site where Kelley’s book is also displayed and sold. One site leads to an old looking website of an author promoting their own trilogy of books, and the other leads to a bookstore in Washington.
Okay, hoisting my sad Nancy Drew butt off this hill now—writing a book in any capacity is a huge accomplishment!—but there’s a lot of spin going on here in regards to the urgency.
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4 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:
They were there for two weeks.
Maybe she was in the middle of something and she didn't want to lose the thread. I've written before, so I know how that can be. Anyway, I'm sure when all the negotiating was going on in trying to get the whole cast back together (something that proved impossible with several casts leading up theirs), she said she was going to be working on a book and she'd participate as much as she could. She and Melissa were the two last to sign on.
*Two Weeks* thanks, I stand corrected there. The timing still leads me to believe working on the manuscript was more of an outlet and an escape than a necessity, but I’m glad she was able to figure everything out.
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S02.06: Friendships on Ice
in Winter House
I almost (almost!) feel bad for both couples. They, with a lot of help from Bravo, have now backed themselves into a corner that’s going to be incredibly awkward to wiggle out from if/when they breakup or divorce. That goes for any couple willingly signing up to be on TV, but Paige and Craig seem to have an especially high pedestal to tumble from right now in the viewerships’ eyes. It will be awhile before they can escape constant references to the other.
I’m more cynical about Lindsay and Carl, but in the event that their relationship isn’t just a mutually beneficial publicity stunt, I worry about Carl’s mental health if/when things go south. They aren’t babies, but they are still pretty young for the stakes to be set so high.