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On 11/11/2018 at 8:21 PM, Camera One said:
I was thinking about the lame origin story for the Land Without Magic (Season 6. Gothel and the Mean Girls.)
What if Blue and Merlin were friends (maybe even in a relationship), and dealing with magical problems in the Enchanted Forest. Blue feels that irresponsible magical users need to be banished, but Merlin does not agree. A realm (maybe Camelot) is threatened by Morgan le Fay, and to stop Morgan le Fay from killing everyone, Blue siphons all the magic from that world to create a Land Without Magic. This drastic action drains a lot of Blue's original power. This separates Merlin from his people, creating a rift between Merlin and Blue. Blue swears off men and starts an order of Fairies which would reward those who "deserves" it and regulate the growth of magical beans which they would use to banish evil magic-doers. But even though Morgan le Fay is gone, she leaves a vessel with her Darkness in a vault, which becomes The Dark One vault. Blue is powerless against Dark Magic and her quest over the centuries has been to banish this Darkness to the Land Without Magic, without success. She also seeks out magical leaders to look after various realms (eg. she finds and appoints Glinda to be the caretaker of Oz).
That would be a great story! I like the idea that the LWOM was the epicenter of magic and it was drained...creating all the magical realms (and why we have their stories which came to people in dreams and they twisted them.) And you solved the problem of why Blue was so totally helpless in times of need. Blue's banishment of magic left the LWOM thinking that dragons and Camelot were all legends and stories. Morgan Le Fay should have been the "Final Battle" instead of a stupid Black Fairy and then a dumb tree nymph, and they could have followed much of 26's finale with Morgan bringing magic back to the entire LWOM meaning it was drained and obliterating the realms. How I would love to see Morgan kicking Regina's butt and bringing Rump a dump to his knees, and only Emma left to fight.
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On 10/17/2018 at 3:35 PM, KingOfHearts said:
One of 2B's problems is that it speeds through and downplays things that should be a big deal. Snow finding out Geppetto lied about the wardrobe? One slap and it's over. Neal apologizing for how he treated Emma? Sandwiched between PLOT in the finale, so blink and you miss it. Rumple backsliding because of Lacey? Memory is cured a couple episodes later and Belle doesn't seem to care about it. Maleficent is still alive as a ghost? Hook runs away from her and that's it. The whole plot to use magic beans to get everyone back to the Enchanted Forest is derailed because Greg/Tamara's failsafe plot takes precedent. The characters bring up a lot of serious issues, but the only one that really gets addressed is Snow's guilt over killing Cora. Everything else is thrown into the air but no one sticks around to catch it.
I don't understand why so much was sacrificed on the altar of Greg, Tamara, and Regina. Regina's story is just her being a murderous ass. She doesn't really do anything but move doomsday along because she's an idiot. Her interactions with the other characters, like Neal, Emma, and Henry, suddenly don't matter. To me, the custody issue with Henry and her coexistence with Emma should've been more pressing than Snow's dark spot.
I don't think Emma is the end-all-be-all, but her passive state in 2B really hurts the arc. She doesn't do anything to influence the plot, other than investigate Tamara. But even then, Tamara was going to reveal herself anyway. Emma just reacts to what everybody else is doing and is barely there. It's interesting that in later arcs, whenever Emma is passive, the story tends to suck more.
They missed the biggest reveal of all, which actually was tied to their "plot" Cora revealing to Regina that Emma has super powerful magic, but doesn't know it, and Emma and Snow don't talk about it..(Emma.."What the hell was that?" Snow: "THAT we can talk about when we get home") and is never discussed by them. For one thing I think Snow knowing Emma had magic would be big, and I would think that Cora would not only warn Regina about Emma's magic, but it would one of the reasons that Regina sides with Cora..knowing that not only is Henry's dad is in town (well,the way I would write it would be that the father's return would be a bigger reveal and happen before Regina hooks up with Cora) and have maybe Emma and Neal talk about taking Henry with them to the LWOM to get away from the craziness, and there is no way to stop Emma except maybe have powerful Cora become more powerful. That would at least make Regina's motivations easier to understand.
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On 10/13/2018 at 8:16 PM, Camera One said:
Seeing the first days of Storybrooke again made me wonder. In the Enchanted Forest, Regina was presumably used to servants. Yet in Storybrooke, she didn't hire a maid for cleaning or have a nanny for Henry (that we could see). She also seemed to have learned how to cook. I can't imagine The Evil Queen slaving away in the castle kitchen. How did she become the relatable middle class professional that we saw in Season 1? Why did she eventually gravitate towards pantsuits, when she had full memory of her garb in the Enchanted Forest?
I can't believe Regina was cleaning toilets for 28 years..I would think a couple of her servants from the EF would have been made her housekeeper and gardner...but we never saw it...(I wanted Malificent to be Regina's put upon secretary at City Hall, and after Emma comes back and starts breaking the curse she gets more and more of her brain back and starts shooting zingers are Mayor Mills...) Welcome to SB had so much potential...(I wanted to see Regina watching Dynasty and then seeing her parading down Main Street with Big Ass Hair and shoulder pads as she thought that is how powerful women in our world dressed..) but as usual with this show, it missed it all to have Regina whine and kill someone...
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18 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:
For the Enchanted Forest peasants, the curse must have been a bit of an upgrade -- going from a hovel to a small-town home with indoor plumbing and electricity. But what about the nobility and royalty, going from palaces and being in charge to being just another average citizen in a small town? We never got a follow-up with Cinderella's king. Would he have voted for Regina as Queen of the Universe? For mayor? Even if they did end up liking Storybrooke, would they be okay with having their lives completely uprooted that way?
I do think they should have had at least one episode where the peasants were backing Regina...(stupidly but the average SB'er seemed as dumb as a stump..) cause she gave them plumbing and heat...and Regina cunningly did that to the general population that she could care less about...just so if the curse broke she could say..."I did this for you...to turn the tables on the haves and help the have nots..." which would be a hilarious scene right up there to her..."I know, I feel violated myself!" line...though the A & E would write it as if it were true! Then it would be the royals from other kingdoms that would be pissed off at her (though I have to say, the neighborhood Regina lived in looked nice so she would have had to have had people in those houses and I am sure she would have put other royals there so she didn't have to deal with the peasants when she got her mail...(did anyone HAVE mail???) At least when Dimbulb Charming was going on and on about returning to the EF I would like someone to say, "Sure, pretty boy, you got a castle, I gotta shit in the woods!"
On 9/29/2018 at 12:46 PM, Camera One said:All they needed to do was to make the use of magic beans more risky or with more of a cost.
They originally had to use a compass, which would have been cool if they lost it and landed up in weird ass places. They could have at least said that the Sorcerer's House was the home of the actual Hall of Doors seen in Jeffies hat, and he was the guardian of the gates...so then they could use that instead of convoluted reasons, but only after the Sorcerer...or was it the Apprentice..I was half in and out during Frozen and Queens of Darkness so cant remember...approved..if he doesnt you jumped through you die..including Rump.
13 hours ago, companionenvy said:Or, if we had pushed the episode off to 3B, after Emma herself has gotten false memories of raising Henry, it could also have addressed Emma's feelings about finding out that those eleven years were based on a lie and now having to deal with the prospect of sharing Henry with Regina.
All of your ideas are great..damn, can we have a do over???
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On 9/17/2018 at 1:29 AM, KAOS Agent said:
Let her fight for her redemption because she wants to be trusted by Henry and the others, not mope about how unfair her life is. Regina in S1 was fairly proactive in her evil and she seemed like a formidable villain. The more this show has other villains manipulate her into doing their dirty work, the less interesting the character becomes.
So true..the Regina Mills of S1 and the Regina of S2B seem like totally different people. She was fun manipulating everyone around her, and it was fun when Emma got a one up on her, and it was fun when Gold had her number...but this Regina is annoying as hell. Also, if I wrote this I would have never let Cora have magic...as it makes no sense...why didn't she just magic her way to Queen if she was so powerful? I would have had her been a conniving manipulative woman who finds out her daughter has the potential for very powerful magic..and Cora sees her as an entre not only to royalty but great, great power, as long as she controls Regina. Cora would then be a king of role model for Regina in our world using her cunning to manipulate others without magic. I just can't see Cora keeping whiny good Regina around as a kid, and not poofing her into a statue while she take control of the world.
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On 9/26/2018 at 10:07 PM, KingOfHearts said:
The lingering last shot of the "Leaving Storybrooke" sign in the series finale lacks the emotional oomph for me. It's probably because all the realms got smashed together and leaving Storybrooke just goes into everything else around it. There's no sense of beyond, because everything surrounding Storybrooke is now something familiar. If it had still been in Maine (Is it?), it would've had more impact, since outside the city limits is... reality.
Yes, is SB still in Maine..and if so..how do all those realms squeeze into a pocket of Maine Woods? Also, I have never understood their retooling of the LWOM. Is it or isnt it? In past seasons they were clear that crossing over the town line takes you into reality..and there is no magic and of course Rump had to smuggle magic into our world, but it was confined to SB, which kept him there..if its just a matter of belief, then why would that Monster thing from Fanastasia disappear crossing the townline, it would believe there was magic as it would have no other context...when Ingrid waves her arms to zap the Fortune Teller she is surprised there is not magic..she actually believed she could produce it..yet in Seattle no one brings magic back yet some people use it and some people dont...Regina admits she has no magic yet later she handwaves Rump free from his trap, with no effort at all. I can get them not getting the specifics down on some things as they are lazy as hell, but the whole show and various BIG plot point were built on having no magic over the townline? It made no sense at all.
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On 9/9/2018 at 12:52 AM, KAOS Agent said:
For all their talk of hope, I suspect that the showrunners were always interested in the darker aspects of the show. The first season they were held back from going too bleak (killing off David was immediately shut down by the network), but once given free rein, they just kept going darker and darker
I actually think S1 was "darker" then all the rest of the seasons. People were trapped in a town, and (suggested in S1 but never followed up on) had their families and loves ripped away from them, as they lost free will. Even the villains were not happy...both Gold and Regina were more conflicted and not cackling villains. The relationship between Regina and Henry was contentious with Regina trying to be what she felt was a good mother, and failing miserably, and Henry going back and forth between trying to love the woman who raised him but just not being able to. Emma and Henry were more "friends" then mother and son and you could see that Emma tried to distant herself from Herny's hero worship. At the time you could actually feel for Regina despite her being a villian..if the curse breaks she looses everything..(so we think) etc.
I think you hit on the word as the rest of the seasons' while becoming more shallow and cartoony ("Hope will save us!" "We also rescue family") it also became bleaker...villains are one dimensional, cacking away but turn on a dime into "good" Good is considered "evil" if good actually steps up to a challenge then letting "Hope" take charge. Side characters are killed off at random, some of them iconic...Aunt Em..Rumps first wife...the Scarecrow trembling in fear from the silliest wicked witch ever...(Zelena) to have his brains removed and they arent returned..the tin man turned into a statue or whatever... Strength, brains, strong wills and bravery dont win the day...a magical instrument will...magic is always more powerful but DARK magic is much more powerful then White magic...(i.e Glinda and Blue) an Author can control people when prophecies dont (who needs a curse...in Once NO ONE has free will...) there are three kinds of people in the world.."heroes, villains and extras who are killed or turned into animals and no one gives a shit....people with real axes to grind and considered disposable and wrong...(the guy in Camelot who naturally tried to kill Regina for revenge...) and the worst...villains like Regina and Rump don't need remorse or apologies to become accepted...as long as they are main characters..
Dark actually has a view point and needs brightness to balance it ....bleak has no moral backbone because the morals are made up...
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On 8/31/2018 at 2:12 PM, KingOfHearts said:
I didn't totally hate the "Coven" concept with eight (9? 10? Why did they give us an exact number when we never saw them all? Did Zelena or Regina count? Who knows.) witches. It could've worked like the Queens of Darkness as a supervillain clique, but with more Charmed-style witchcraft. But all we got were Coat Hangers and a crazy wood nymph.
I would have loved if the..do we see clones of the original EF characters would be in the coven...like Malificent, the EQ, Wicked Witch...who would have been totally disgusted by the piss poor villains the characters from the "other" EF were. It would be funny to see Regina poofed into w wall or chains by their version of the EQ...
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On 8/21/2018 at 5:23 PM, CCTC said:
I believe she actually cackled with glee when the nanny flew out the window.
It was such a strange and pure evil reaction for someone they had receently been trying to redeem and were obviously planning on putting back on the redemption train before not too long. Even if she had sided with Cora and hated Snow at the moment, anyone with any trace of good buried somewhere inside them should have at least been bothered by Cora's act of killing an innocent - even if it was only subtext with a shot of Regina looking troubled or conflicted as she and Cora vanished in their purple smoke.
Actually, I don't think she cackled and she had a surprised look on her face...(haven' t watched it since it originally aired so...) and then back in the Mayor's office Regina looks wary , but then Cora explains how she set things up that ended up in Daniel's death and then Regina looks odd and then..she just drops it and goes along with it. This episode, is like many others where it seemed as if one of the writers had to go pick up one of their kids at school and someone else finished writing the script..without reading what happened before.
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Was Mother Gothal planned for S7 of the old format and was later stitched onto the new one? Her backstory made more sense in SB then it did in the middle of a neighborhood in an urban area. While they cocked the story up I think it would have worked better as the S6 storyline.. I think it would be interesting if they had Gothel and her wood nymphs living where SB eventually was created, and the "wishing well" was were they lived and practiced their benign nature magic. Instead of being "thousands of years ago" have it just been hundreds of years when European settlers came and settled the land. Taking their fear of witchcraft from Europe then consider the nymphs witches and satanic and kill them all except for Gothel who escapes wounded to the one and only EF. There she has to wait until she can hitch a ride back to our world when she hears about Rump's curse and bides her time. During that time she learns more powerful and lethal uses of magic and builds up her power intending to return to the LWOM and spread magic beyond the confines of SB....so her plot would be to kill off or enslave anyone who could get in her way, or want to share her power including Rump, Regina and Emma. I would have given her the backstory that she naturally wanted to join the fairies but they got sick o her wanting to kill a mortal eveyrday so they kicked her out and she was indeed what they called the Black Fairy. Its too bad to waste a good villain on a really bad, even for Once, orgin story.
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The whole thing about Storybrooke in the first season that made it fun was that it was mysterious...how did it work, who is there. The funny thing is, after magic came back Storybrooke lost its mystery and was just another a boring town with a few magic users and where magic was treated as if in a cartoon. The interplay of magic in the real world ..where no magic should exist ( I refuse to think S7 is canon ) should have made SB a crossroads to all the realms where characters appear out of nowhere and a place with a lot of mysterious nooks and crannies...(I always thought the tunnels under town were interesting..were they an in between place where some magic was in place so Malificent could keep her dragon form...why was Snow's coffin down there....the Sorcerers mansion is another place that would have been fun to explore...(that is where I would have had the hallway with the doors that go to different realms...he was the crossing guard so to speak of the realms but Jefferson's hat bypassed that..instead of having to twist into knots to explain realm hopping when it turned out to be easy as can be.
I would have made SB less Disney generic..peppy Main Street and more Twin Peaks..or at least the Haunted Mansion.
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23 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:
This show pretty much looks like what would happen if you stopped development at the initial brainstorming session -- that phase where you sit around a table and throw out ideas that all get written on the whiteboard. You can build on an idea that someone else has thrown out there, but you can't ask questions or be at all critical. All ideas are equally valid because you don't want to put a damper on pure creativity. In most cases, there would be follow-up sessions in which you'd look for common threads in those ideas, group them, and start asking critical questions as you dig deeper into them and develop them. You might take one idea and do a whole session digging deeper into it, looking at all the possibilities and ramifications, and then you might assign individual ideas to various team members for them to develop further, research, see how it fits into what you already have, and bring back a proposal to the group.
But with this show, it's like they did that first brainstorming with everyone just tossing ideas out there, and then they decided that was their season. Just -- what about Maleficent? Oh, or Ursula. Hey, we have Pongo, so why not do Cruella? Oh, and there's the Author. And Rumple's up to something. What if Maleficent and the Charmings have a past? Oooh, could Emma maybe have the potential for darkness? Like, she's maybe potentially more dark than Regina. What a twist! And then it turns out she isn't dark, but then gets turned into the Dark One! And that's the extent of the development and they go write the arc. But if they'd done any development, they could have got a whole arc out of just Maleficent, or they could have done a lot more with Cruella. Or they could have put some actual thought into the Author so that wasn't such a mess.
I was just reading a story in Vanity Fair about writers rooms and "Mini Rooms" where places like AMC and Amazon want to look at what the writers write for the first five episodes before okaying a series and pilot. VF is bemoaning that its "mis-treatment " of writers but one writer/producer said this ...
"It’s not that a pilot doesn’t have value, but I think there’s also things the room can tell you that a pilot can’t. There are way too many examples of very well-crafted pilots that, once you’ve actually gone to series, [the show] crumbles on you because the pilot was so clever or flashy in the way it was executed that it didn’t really demonstrate what the series would be on an ongoing basis. When you’re forced to actually plot out and craft and write four or five additional episodes, and figure out what the whole season would be, then the show-runner really knows what the show is.”
I was thinking this had Once "written" all over it...the pilot was GREAT...and while S1 was the best of the series you can still see weaknesses there. I am not sure if five episodes would have helped, but I think the general idea of each season not being well thought or planned out comes to mind here.
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Did we ever get a name (on screen) for the "realm" that the fairytale action too place this year? Was it actually called the Enchanted Forest? Was that a different Oz they showed, but Zelena was there so is it a different one? How did Facilier meet the EQ..and did this realm have a Snow White and EQ?
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On 8/4/2018 at 9:26 PM, KingOfHearts said:
Funny thing is that Barbara Hershey and Naveen Andrews (the actor who portrayed Jafar in OUATIW) were actually in a relationship at one point.
What hurt the show was killing Cora and then making her have a half ass redemption. I loved Cora just cause she was evil and made no bones or apologies. Sure she was poor and screwed over by her drunk father and Zelenas' father..but she wanted power and never cried about anything. They should have had a "Phantom Zone" where they banished the big bads so they could break out and cause havoc again. Jafar and Cora would be fun.
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54 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:
There's several options for taking care of everybody while minimizing risk to the timeline. (Though clearly not eliminating it.) Regina, Adult!Henry, Jacinda, Lucy, WHook, Alice, and Robyn can all move back to Hyperion Heights. Regina can be closer to her sister and keep running the bar. WHook and Alice would stay there because of Robyn. As for Wish!Henry, maybe Clone Queen could check in on him? I thought at first she was staying in the Wish Realm, but the S6 finale implies she takes up residence in the original Enchanted Forest. There's no real way to fix the timeline, but it's not very practical to have multiple Regina's, Henry's, Robyn's, and Hook's in the same town.
I found a deleted scene if the show had been renewed for an eighth season. This would've been the cliffhanger:
A bolt of LIGHTNING strikes down in the middle of MAIN STREET. THE EVIL QUEEN appears, but she looks eighty years old at least.
EVIL QUEEN: "It is I! Regina, Queen of the Wish Realm! I'm here to take back what's rightfully mine."
EMMA (disgusted): "Geez. And I thought Wish Hook looked bad."
REGINA (mortified): "I really need to double down on those juice cleansers."
I have no idea why they didn't use that in S6 instead of the Clone Queen. My idea for S5 ending is Emma wishing things had turned out differently and the Curse hadn't been cast. To make up for being Regina's henchman Sydney grants it only duh, Genies can't make up worlds and she does indeed switch places with Alternate Emma..who actually had the same wish (she grew up on her parents bs about heroes and villains and wishes she could be a hero) Emma had all her memories and thinks Alternate Land is weird, and AlterEmma doesnt' like the responsibility of the idiots of SB always coming to her for help, and finds that being a hero is all that great shakes. This is where we meet AlterRump and especially AlterEQ (would love to see Parrilla playing an older, even more bitter version of Regina,) who at first acts redeemed but of course she and Rump team up (the EQ gets to AlterHenry with schemes of power and corrupts him) and a real final battle takes place..with S7 finale being S6, without the Hyperian Heights BS.
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13 hours ago, tennisgurl said:
Or, one of my possible head cannons, the only realms sucked in were the ones we have already seen. Every other second of the multiverse have built massive security systems that bar Regina's magic from getting to them, or allowing any of the EF folks into their lands. Nobody wants to deal with that shit. "If you or someone you know has seen a brunette woman waving magical jazz hands while crying about how much her life sucks, a woman with short hair rambling about hope, a sparkly Scotsmen, or a hipster on a motorcycle making stupid Star wars references, please immediately evacuate the area, and report this to your local Anti Magic Bullshit Squad know as soon as possible."
God, how I would have loved that the show ended that way! Who indeed would want to deal with the EF people and their idiotic BS..(I would take Emma, Hook and defininatley Zelena cause you gotta have the cool sister with all the zingers..)
9 hours ago, Camera One said:A&E's scorched earth retreat strategy for ending the show so no writer can ever continue it in any way that makes sense
Ah...they can just ignore s6..like the next Halloween movie ignores every H movie but the first. They just didnt exist.
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She gets things wrong..like Jaffar being trapped in a bottle..I did agree on one thing she touched on...such as suddenly Jefferson, Red, Tink etc being important and then just disappearing. The producers should have had agreements with actors and I know it doesnt always work but..its just weird that they disappear with no mention of them..have a group of people moving to the LWOM (if the last seaons didnt just blow everything that the first six said about that) people that would make sense like sweet pouty Jefferson and his kid (I would think he had enough of magic) of Red who wanted to go to college when cursed and would want to live without magic so she doesnt kill people in the full moon. Then they can make guest appearences when the other characters ventured out into the LWOM .
Meridia I just cant ...
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On 7/26/2018 at 10:17 AM, KingOfHearts said:
I'd still take Regina with Robin over her with Facilier any day.
Were there actually Regina/Facilier fans???
I think the Regina/Facilier thing would have been interesting if they had her sexually drawn to him but also afraid that being that close to him could bring out some of her darkness again. But it also didn't make sense as to where and how could they meet in her EQ days??? Well, and they didnt have chemistry and after he died it was like "Oh..okay..hey, the special at the bar are Bloody Marys and a burger..wanna go?"
I just hated that Robin was such a puss for Regina...she needed a confrontational lover..
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15 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:
All the people who comment on the Facebook page want is romantic GIF sets and Regina apologism.
And responding to the latest post from whomever moderates that board on the latest "epic" (be it Henry and Jacinda's boremance, or an adventure, or a "journey" or a "twist"..) I seriously never knew people actually got that much into Regina and Boringhood until I read it on Facebook...I mean I understand different strokes ( i never got into Snow and Charms that much or Emma and Hook but could understand how people could) but really...pair Regina with a stump or Mr. Magoo and you have the same excitment...
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On 7/16/2018 at 5:19 PM, profdanglais said:
I'm curious about this too. Arthurian legend is explicitly Christian in the search for the Holy Grail, how does that work with the Enchanted Forest and the Author? Why do they embrace a "saviour" that is not Jesus? Of course, Arthur also explicitly fixed in Britain and Anglo-Celtic mythology. I really didn't like the shallow way Once handled the Camelot arc, from the CGI to the lazy characterisation, Monty Python's version had more depth.
Blue said the Dark One Curse is "not from this realm" so I thought they were going to go with a mystical Camelot in our worlds past..and that magic itself existed in our world. In order to rid the world of evil and dark magic, Merlin eradicates magic in the world, thinking he was sending it into a void, only it was sent to other realms of existence..they were originally the Lands Without Magic (get it..an A & E TWIST) until Merlin sent magic there. Only of course, there is no way to eradicate evil as, in Catholic theology..its a choice someone makes with their free will. That is why their worlds are connected to our world and how why Neal was automatically flipped to our world and how SB could exist here. When the gang went back they went back in time to our world...or course I would have made the Big Bad who created the Dark One Satan but that would flip out the Bible Thumper watching...(despite the magic, cleavage and innocent people getting killed constantly.)
But also, from reading Facebook fan page, I dont think the audience for Once would request or enjoy a more indepth show or storyline like yours.
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On 7/9/2018 at 8:13 PM, Shanna Marie said:
Roni was this warm, motherly person whose identity had lived her life in our world. Suddenly remembering murdering people would have come as a shock.
Yea, they didn't do anything with that at all, and also why I think it would be interesting that Driz's punishment of Regina was for Roni to be in relationship with oneof her victims, who, in the "Original Recipe EF" wanted to kill her. Should I wake him up or let him believe Im a nice person? I also think it would be cool if the "woke" person hated their real identity..instead of the other way around. "We are both" means they retain the memories and feelings of the curse persona so I could see Roni being totally disgusted with Regina/the Evil Queen, and disavow all of it. S7 could have repaired a lot of the weakness of Regina's previous "redemption" but they were more interested in stupid plots that went no where.
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2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:
I'm really not a fan of the "realms of story" idea where society never progresses and it's perpetually the same time period. That makes no sense to me.
Me either..its stupid and convoluted (so of course guess where they went..) Just say the Curse tracked Neal to 1985 and took everyone to the "future" and all the rest of the "magical realms" ( I refuse the dumb story realms thing) were frozen until Emma's arrival in SB started time again.
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19 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:
Then the memory spell is broken (and not by a TLK between Regina and Henry because they've barely interacted since she tried to murder his whole family, and before that was the emotional abuse and gaslighting, and it's not like they ever had a close, healthy relationship), and it's rather freaky to Emma because suddenly her parents and Regina have a totally different relationship, and Regina seems like a different person. But Henry is now wary of Regina, which upsets Regina.
Very good! I can't believe we didn't see the whole missing year...(which to make a reconciliation between Regina and Snow more believable and to compensate for the Henry actors growth..I would have made it two years..) of the Charmings and Regina in the castle together having to deal with each other and ruling together. I would have also had this been the deciding factor between Regina deciding who the hell she was finally. Back in the EF in her EQ clothes and with even more people around hating her, with Henry gone, etc..it really would be tempting to turn evil again..I would even have Zelena trying to tempt her to join forces with her to beat the Charmings (all the while secretly going to kill Regina when the Charmings are gone..) Regina could wrestle with that (and not be snarling, smirking evil one minute and crying the next...just secretly wrestling with the temptation...) and reconcile herself that redemption doesnt mean she will be that 16 year old girl anymore, she can never go back, but she can put the EQ to bed. I would also have Robin Hood be really, really, confrontational with Regina, and of course, they are both turned on by each other..but he would never be the wuss we got.
But I thought S2 would have been a good start to paving a way for Regina and Charms to come to a sort of understanding, with Emma and Snow gone Charms would slowly let Regina help co-parent Henry, he would see that she really did feel pain in having to kill the stable boy again, and Regina would find out that Charms in not just a self righteous prig (no romance or hint of it..) and would slowly start to help him try to locate Emma and Snow and get them back. I would love to see Emma roll her eyes when Charms says, "Oh Regina, I cleaned the lasagna pan and left in on your porch..." and Regina, "Remember to give me the marinade recipe for the flank steak you made..." (the show so missed out on doing goofy eveyday things like that among the goofy magic and snarling villains..) Emma "Seriously, did you guys start a book club together...) Charms and Regina wouldnt be freinds but it would be the first step in learning how to deal with each other in a nonantogonistic way.
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14 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:
I might buy that if Regina had ever taken responsibility for anything. She talked about not being able to forgive herself, but never saw any of that. She thought she deserved every good thing and that something was wrong if she didn't get it. I would hope that an epiphany about that would have been part of her redemption. It's a nice read on it, but I think you're giving the writers way too much credit. There was also the theory that Regina didn't actually want to hurt Snow, deep down inside, and that's why she always failed to kill her (as I recall, that was something Lana Parilla even said in an interview), but that got torpedoed when they showed Regina thinking she was
They could have easily..softened this a bit with the goofy, stupid...(and I like Regina) coronation scene. Her speech..(which was awfully similar to Glinda's last speech in "Wicked" ) should have included..."I know I have hurt so many of you, and for that I am truly sorry. I know that I can never make up for my past or bring loved ones back...but I will try my best to protect everyone and make all of your lives better. Thank you for forgiving me and helping rescue me from my own dark heart...(nodding to Snow off to the side...) many former enemies who I now count as friends (glancing at Emma) helped me along the way, and for that, I can never be thankfull enough!" Then Snow crowns her and she smiles and the end.
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A Thread for All Seasons: This Story Is Over, But Still Goes On.
in Once Upon A Time
Yea, they way it worked out...they could have made Neal and Bae two separate characters...the "reveal" of that twist didn't amount to anything back in SB. Did Regina even get a reaction that Rump was Henry' grandfather..did it move plot along? I know Henry was just super duper extra special but I think it would have worked best if Neal was just a guy from our world who could bring a fresh perspective to the nonsense...and a real threat to Regina that he might take the kid away as he has no ties and a threat to everyone as he is the only "outsider" to know that they exist in our world. Keeping Neal as a con man who basically wanted to do good for his kid but still couldnt resist perhaps making a buck by letting the outside world know about SB. I think the plot mechanics to make Neal...Bae were just goofy and sloppy..he was here, there and everywhere.
They could have kept "Where's Bae" as a running mystery is he in our world or not..and why doesn't he want Rump to find him.