[Gilmore Girls: A Year in the Life Season 1]

20 minutes ago, Emily Thrace said:

I don't know if I would call Logan and Rory full on toxic. They are dysfunctional sure but their issues were more commitment based than any real personality clash or lack of communication. I also don't think their situation is entirely Logan's fault. As someone pointed out in one of the episode threads Rory turning down his proposal has probably made him gunshy about really committing to Rory without her spelling out what she wants. I read it less as Logan was torn between Rory and Odette and more Odette was a safety net in case  Rory dumped him again. 

I don't think we can entirely say that Logan was gunshy because Rory turned down his original proposal because as far as ASP is concerned Rory and Logan never got to that point (i.e. she ignored all of the character development in S7).  Based on what MC said in that Time interview it sounds like it truly was more of a struggle between his love for Rory and his duty to his family situation.  I do, however, agree with you that it's not entirely Logan's fault despite people trying to make it out that the only thing Logan cared about was making Rory his "side piece".  He and Rory both clearly agreed to the Vegas arrangement--especially since Rory was always the one to bring it up as a reminder to him.  And she certainly appeared to be enjoying herself when they were together.  I just think it got to a point where Rory realized she wasn't happy with the arrangement and knew it wouldn't work in the long run with what she wanted for herself.

[Gilmore Girls in the Media]

That Hypable review is perfect, IMO.  It sums up my feelings 100% WRT to Rory's storyline.  I found where Rory ends up just so, so sad and heartbreaking.  Sure people can argue that she's finally getting her just desserts but I guess I expected something a little more hopeful for a character in her 30s who watched her mother's struggles all those years to have not learned from Lorelai's mistakes.   It's uber-depressing to think that Rory was always destined to wind up just like her (according to ASP's big vision).

[S02.E10: Episode 10]

2 minutes ago, beadgirl said:

Ok guys, I'm confused -- the finale, called episode 9 by my (NYC) PBS station, aired last night.  But you all are calling it episode 10.  Wikipedia says there are 10 episodes, but the PBS episode says there are only 9 (and I checked next week's schedule -- no Poldark.) As I scroll through the descriptions of the episodes, it seems like the numbering done by PBS is off by one number; I watched "episode 5" last night, but the description and plot points match episode 6, as listed in the thread for it.  Was the first episode PBS aired of season 2 really both episodes 1 and 2? Am I missing an episode?  Am I going insane?

The first PBS episode was BBC episodes 1 and 2 combined.

[S01.E04: Fall]

48 minutes ago, Aloeonatable said:

If you are in an episode you get the script. That explains why MC read all the scripts. 

 

31 minutes ago, photo fox said:

That makes sense.  I thought I read somewhere that most people outside of the main credited four cast members just got the scenes they were in, but I may have misunderstood.

Anyway, I went ahead and started a S2 speculation topic, if anyone wants to continue to discuss.

The actors in the episode did get the scripts for the episodes they were in but they didn't get the last four words.  ASP & DP shared the last 4 words with both Matt and Milo because they both mentioned it in interviews.  Kelly Bishop, on the other hand, did not know what they were until she specifically asked someone on the production team so I get the impression they weren't widely known to everyone who was in the episode.

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2 minutes ago, Aloeonatable said:

I didn't see it that way. Of course they both chose the lifestyle they were leading, all Rory was doing was pointing that out to Logan. He was the one that implied she was blaming him. He became defensive.

I don't disagree with your assessment re: Logan's overreaction but that's how he took Rory's words and that's why they ended up yelling at each other.  The point is that their argument had nothing to do with Logan telling Rory how she should be living her life (unlike what Jess did in belittling her).  The original UO was the notion that none of Rory's men should be saving her from herself and I pointed out that Jess was trying to do just that and that's what I found disgusting.  Your first response to that was trying to equate the Jess/Rory argument to the Logan/Rory argument when they really had nothing to do with each other in terms of Rory's agency to make her own choices.

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4 minutes ago, Aloeonatable said:

Logan and Rory also had a loud row in the restaurant after Jess left. Do you fault each of them as well? 

The fundamental difference being Rory was inferring that Logan was to blame for her bad decisions and he got defensive by telling her that he wasn't exactly twisting her arm.  He wasn't wrong in that regard.  Logan was an asshole to Jess in those scenes and certainly deserved Rory's ire for that but not her trying to turn her bad decisions back on him.

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42 minutes ago, RoyRogersMcFreely said:

Oh I hate the "love of a good man" bullshit.  I mean yes Logan is an absolute scumbag in the revival (I know some will argue always was) but at least he recognized Rory's agency and the fact she doesn't need saving. I will gladly take a dumpster fire Rory who makes her own choices for better or worse over her being a sweet docile thing being "steered in the right direction" by some dude. If she gets fixed, I want her to think she needs fixing, and fix herself.

YES to this.  Your line of thinking is exactly why I always got so twitchy when people brought up Jess yelling at Rory to go back to Yale and that she wasn't being herself as a good reason why she belonged with him. She always had the ability to make her own choices, thank you very much--even if they were bad--so the idea of having any one of these dudes be the one to save her from herself really rubs me the wrong way.

[S01.E04: Fall]

8 minutes ago, kingshearte said:

How awesome would it have been if one of them had sat her down during that bit and been all, "Listen, hun. You deserve better than this arrangement."?

That might have provided me, at least, with some backup to my theory (hope?) that they're not still doing the LDB thing regularly, but pulled it out because Rory needed a pick-me-up. Although better backup for that notion would have been if they had sat down, totally wiped, at some point, and then realized it was only, like, eleven. But still. I cling to the faint hope that this was an unusual throwback for them. Probably because I can't help but cling to any shreds of Logan not being a complete entitled asshat...

Yeah, I didn't get the impression that this was a regular thing either.  In fact, Rory appeared confused when it first began until she heard the Gazette worker (sorry I don't remember her name) mention "in omnia paratus" and saw the gorilla masks.  I think your theory is correct that Logan was just trying to cheer her up after she was so upset on the phone instead of pulling her into a typical escapade.

[Small Talk: The Quiver]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

And Christopher was okay with Logan not knowing he has a child? Cuz he's been there with the unexpected pregnancy.

Christopher knows nothing about Rory being pregnant.

[Small Talk: The Quiver]

2 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I got the sense from Rory's talk with Christopher that she wasn't planning on telling Logan about the baby. 

Yeah I got that impression too and just...no.  That's pretty cold. We saw how well that worked out in Luke's situation with April.

[Small Talk: The Quiver]

43 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I'm just dropping in to say thank you to everyone who has been talking about the GG revival.  I don't have Netflix so I can't see it but I get the impression that the only thing I'm missing is cleaning off my TV from having thrown things at it.

Lorelei lost me after a couple of seasons because she was self-centred and childish and Rory moved there in the last couple of seasons so I was losing interest in her too. Sounds like Rory fulfilled her potential, but there's still a huge difference between being 16 and pregnant and 32 (with better birth control) and pregnant.

Some shows really do need to end earlier rather than later.

Unfortunately she doesn't reach her potential as she walks away from her journalism career to be an author for a book that has no promise of actually being bought, ends up back living with her mom in Stars Hollow, and pregnant.  It's rather puzzling after spending 16 years watching her lofty education/career progression but I guess if she's happy then more power to her.  ASP has a very odd sense of female empowerment, IMO.

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59 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

It's not controlling in the sense that he was freaked out if she went anywhere or talked to anyone (I had a friend that couldn't even go to the grocery store without drama) but it was him dictating the terms of the relationship and not just dictating it, (Marry me and move or we are through) but changing the current terms (the relationship being on the east coast).  

Maybe some might consider it normal relationship decisions but there was an IMO an inherent unfairness in that while Rory had been understanding when it was Logan in London for his job, he wasn't understanding about Rory wanting to explore her career wherever that was going to take her.  Maybe controlling is the wrong term but there was an uneven balance of power where Rory was willing to compromise and frequently did, while Logan wasn't.  For me the end of their relationship seemed less about Logan not wanting a long distance relationship than him not wanting to meet her halfway or put her needs and wants ahead of his.  He's free to decide it's not what he wants in a relationship, but It always seemed to me that for all his easy going manner, he was actually very rigid about making sure he got what he wanted on his terms.

Not really when you consider that he did agree to the long-distance relationship once before at the end of S6 so Rory could finish her schooling. Pretty much the first 3rd of S7 showed them managing a LD relationship with him in London and her at Yale.  He even made sure Rory had a place to live.  How that's not putting her needs ahead of his I'm not sure but clearly you see it differently. He simply decided he didn't want to do it a second time.  That doesn't exactly make him a selfish, controlling boyfriend.  We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

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33 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Even if he didn't have her whole life planned out, he blindsided her with the proposal and then did a now or never kind of ultimatum that was plenty controlling IMO.    

Nope, that's not how I saw it.  He let her ultimately make the decision...that's not being controlling.  The desire not to do the long-distance relationship thing happens all the time in real-life relationships.  I wouldn't call that controlling either.  Those fall under normal relationship decisions.

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33 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

It's been a while but I seem to recall him saying how he had gotten her an interview at the San Francisco chronicle and how he had already brought a house for them (with pear trees or something) which just felt like he already made the decision how their and Rorys life was going to be. 

I agree they should be allowed to be their own people however and not carbon copies of their parents but I guess the writers always intended for the show to be full circle. 

I guess I think post breakup with Rory and post college I don't find Logan caving in to the Huntezberger Dynasty too hard to believe all though I would have liked more insight into Logan's POV and choices. I think he's one of those paradox characters who despite rebelling his father also craved his approval. And I guess that's the Christopher comparison although I find it sort of a flimsy parallel as there are things Logan is that Christopher isn't and vice versa. 

No, he didn't set up any interviews with her.  I just went back to look and he suggested she could look for a job with a couple of newspapers in San Francisco which would be close to where his job was in Palo Alto.

I agree with you though that they literally gave us no insight into Logan's POV, which I guess considering we also got very little of Jess or Dean isn't wholly unexpected.

ASP did mention that she saw Christopher parallels which I can understand to a degree but it was rather disturbing she was making us believe Logan was  just like Christopher in the revival by

throwing in the whole Rory/Christopher discussion at the end in order to convince the audience that Logan is just like him and Rory would be justified in raising a baby herself.  We're led to believe that Logan=Christopher and therefore automatically would be the same crappy father.  Anytime you take away someone's agency like that, I'm going to call bullshit.

4 minutes ago, FurryFury said:

I always had a torch for Jess/Rory and I'd probably watch if there was more of him in the revival, but it doesn't seem so. I guess I'll wait for the probable renewal and see if they'll actually get together at some point. Otherwise, meh. I won't bother watching just to be disgusted with Rory.

Believe me, you wouldn't want Jess with Rory.  

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29 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Even when he wanted to marry Rory at the end of season 7 he basically wanted to marry her in a way that was entirely on his terms and had basically planned out Rory's life for her. Even though he didn't want to work for his father he still desired the same things his father wanted. To create his own business to be successful to have the WASP sort of life of money and privilege just not by his fathers design but by his own. He never wanted to break free in the same way as Lorelai.

I don't agree that he had Rory's life planned out for her.  His proposal was only really talking about where they would be living, not what her career or life would be.  He frequently encouraged her pursue her career goals so I didn't really get the impression he wanted her in some kind of WASP-y, trophy wife scenario.

I'll concede the point about him not wanting a Lorelai-like breakaway but he absolutely did want out from under the Huntzberger empiric thumb and never wanted to turn into to his dad (which he said so many times). That makes the decisions in the revival that much more confusing with him seemingly being okay throwing himself into the dynastic family plan and all the expectations that go with it.

In fact, the whole turning into our parents thing with both Rory and Logan that ASP obviously is so married to actually makes the story less interesting to me. If the characters are just destined to make the same stupid mistakes that their parents made then what's the point?  It makes the story the epitome of predictable.

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2 hours ago, MariaHill said:

I never really liked Rory, but didn't mind her in the first two eps. By the end I was actively disliking her. Deciding to write what amounted to Lorelai's biography without getting her buy-in first, then pouting and going ahead even after Lorelai told her no? Sleeping with Logan again after she knew his girlfriend had moved in, even after he gave her an easy out by getting her a separate room on her stupid romp with his douchebag friends? Ugh, Rory, you suck. 

Always disliked Jess before, but he seems to have grown up into a relatively normal person and now I'm sure he deserves better than Rory. 

Keep poor Jess away from Rory...and I even say that as someone who never really liked Jess.

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

Hated that Emily didn't get to see Lorelei get married.

Jess was my favorite of her boyfriends. He had issues and he messed up but I thought they had the best rapport and chemistry. I love that he grew up. He was still Jess but he got it together and was mature. He had actual character growth. Dean did too from the little we saw of him. None for Logan.

They actually regressed Logan 2-1/2 seasons which was sad.  He came such a long way re: breaking away from his crappy dad and actually committing to Rory only for them to turn him into the character Rory first met.  It angered me, quite frankly.

Also...

I absolutely despise the "full circle" ending with Rory. Why spend 7 seasons in the show and 9 years post-Yale just to leave her aimless and pregnant at 32...basically where her mom was at 16. That's awful.  I also loathe that they leave us to believe that Rory won't tell Logan he's a dad.

The only redeeming real character growth we got to see was Emily's.  Lorelai seemed like the same flaky woman she always was to me.

[All Episodes Talk: Lorelai and Rory and the People They Love]

16 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

For all that I've complained about season 7, at least the good thing coming out of this revival is that I'll be able to happily watch season 7 now. The fact that ASP deliberately ignored season 7's existence besides mentioning Lorelai's marriage to Christopher (and that was just as a snide 'joke') is just ridiculous. We can't forget that season 7 existed. But guess what? It still treated the characters way better than this shitty revival. It gave Emily a good arc, sure, but at the expense of Ed Hermann, and subsequently Richard, dying. That's it. I would love to know what are the actual good moments of the revival, mostly the ones that actually helped the characters in some way.

Also, remembering that ASP had the last four words planned since before the series ended, how differently would it have been if ASP stayed on the show an extra year and Rory had to utter those lines after graduating college? 

Yeah, I think I'm going to consider S7 my conclusion, as flawed as it was.  Still better than this mess and I have the added bonus of remembering Edward Hermann as the man I always loved. 

Those last 4 words would have seemed more realistic with a college-aged Rory and probably would have made more sense back then as ASP could have written Rory, Logan, and Jess the way she intended to rather than letting the audience waste an entire season watching a show canon be promptly mowed over 10 years later, leaving us with a group of rather pathetic 30-something characters in the wake.

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42 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

My Thanksgiving Binge watch was The Crown on Netflix and was excellent. I don't know how historically accurate it is, but I found much of it emotional. Claire Foy was wonderful. I'm also watching "The Fall".  I really dislike Jamie Dornan but Gillian Anderson is a goddess always.  It's an interesting murder mystery with some uncomfortable subject matter. 

I have The Crown in my Netflix queue so I'm glad to hear this and so much YES to watching The Fall.  Then again, my endless love for Gillian Anderson is probably tainting my opinion, heh.

[All Episodes Talk: Lorelai and Rory and the People They Love]

1 minute ago, Nidratime said:

How did he fail that test, when he proposed to her ten years ago without any hint of a baby, and she turned him down.

This is exactly the problem with ASP expecting the audience to completely ignore S7 because it skews how they view are supposed to interpret the revival. 

[All Episodes Talk: Lorelai and Rory and the People They Love]

Milo also hinted that there would be more in a recent interview.

[All Episodes Talk: Lorelai and Rory and the People They Love]

2 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Well, if the parallel is deliberate (and I think it is), apparently if Jess waits long enough, Rory will come around. It will only take 20 years or so.

Agreed...and that's really, really pathetic, IMO.

[All Episodes Talk: Lorelai and Rory and the People They Love]

1 minute ago, backhometome said:

Rory was awful. Such an entitled selfish character. I dont even know where to start.

I figure if I'm going to salvage this revival I'm going to have to ignore her whole storyline because yuck.

Dean having a better ending than the show made me happy. I hated how they did his character wrong in the show. Also nice that he is an ex that is actually over Rory.

Which is what I really wished had happened to all 3 exes.  The retreading of the high school/college drama is eyeroll-worthy.  Couldn't we have gotten some new blood here so that ASP didn't have to make the predictable, never-ending love triangles from hell?

Final 4 words were not what I was expecting at all.

Really?  I kind of feel like it was being broadcast far and wide based on the reviews all talking about things coming "full circle".

It seems like Amy is trying to parallel LoganRoryJess to ChristopherLorelaiLuke which I dont see at all. Sure there are similarities but ultimately the situation is completely different and they arent the same people.

 

She is definitely trying to make the parallel which is why I doubt I'll be watching future episodes of Logan's flaky back and forth with Rory as a foil for the predictable Luke and Lorelai re-hash with Jess.  I already saw 7 seasons of that storyline.  Jess certainly doesn't deserve that kind of bullshit.  If he were smart, he'd take a page out of Dean's book and find a nice girl to settle down with rather than pining away for Lorelai version 2.0.

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17 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

As someone who watched Gilmore Girls sparodically, is the revival worth a watch?

Meh.  If you loved all of the random pop culture references and quirkiness then you'll probably enjoy it but the story left quite a bit to be desired.  It's basically a setup for a repeat of all the major plot points of the original series.  In fact, I can pretty much predict where the story will go from here should they do more episodes.

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14 minutes ago, Mrs. DuRona said:

My big unpopular opinion (especially after watching the revival) is that I actually kind of love the Life & Death Brigade.  I like seeing Rory being able to just let her hair down and do stupid stuff.  I don't always love their antics or stunts, but as a concept and as a whole, I love it. 

TBH, it brought some much-needed levity to Rory's awful storyline.  I wasn't a huge fan of it in the original series but it was appreciated here.

[S01.E04: Fall]

5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Well, I wish I could erase season 7 from my mind, but I can't. I'm glad she sees it that way, but I can't really operate under the impression that it didn't happen. 

I agree with you.  It happened as far as the audience is concerned, just not ASP.  I actually liked Logan through most of S7 because he did grow as a character but she absolutely slaughtered him here.