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I don't know really understand how KC's lack of martial arts training factor into her fight scenes being better executed. It is the job of the fight instructor on the set and stunts coordinator to do that. Neither Stephen Amell, nor John Barrowman had any martial arts training beforehand but their fight sequences turn out to be very well choreographed and believable. David Ramsey has had a lot of training but we have not seen that on the show. In my opinion, Celina Jade who played Shado was the best fighter of them all and she has been training practically ALL her life considering her dad is in the business.
People bring in Caity Lotz's training as a factor but it really shouldn't be if the production and stunt department is doing their job. I personally think they lost interest in Laurel Lance as a character sometime in season 1 and they cannot really be bothered about creating anything belivable for her. I still laugh at the way Slade Wilson just rang her door bell and dropped the "Oliver Queen is the Arrow" line. That was the funniest thing Katie Cassidy has ever been part of in Arrow.
I have a whole host of problems with Katie's acting choices because as an actress, convincing me about her character is her primary job - and she is not the best at that. Making her fights believable is NOT her job, it is the job of stunt department and other people and they have failed in that miserably. People may want to blame everything on Katie Cassidy or Laurel Lance but being bad at fighting is NOT her fault.
I think Caity Lotz is a fairly basic actress and just being good at stunts should not mean she get to play a nuanced character with decades of history but who am I kidding. It is not like this bunch of writers is gonna write that character - either for Katie with her bad fighting skills or for Caity with her good fighting and bad acting skills.
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Going back to the Felicity/Oliver love scene (only spoiler I've actually cared about in a really long time), I'm wondering if that is happening in 3x20. SA was talking about that episode at Planet Comicon on March 15th and said that it takes place in Nanda Parbat. That's also when he said the thing about if Emily is ever showing off her shoulder, they have to put a scar on it. He also mentioned being jealous of the Netflix model because they can show more violence and "maybe show a boob here and there." 3x20 finished filming on March 13th, so all of this would be fresh in his mind.
I honestly think that they're going to show as much as they can get away with in this love scene. At least, that is my hope. I'm just surprised that this might not be happening during May Sweeps. All season long I kept reading about how nothing would happen until May, and then they're going to pull this out in April. What?
The sweeps this year would fall between April 23 to May 20th. 3x20 would be aired one day prior to the sweeps. I am not sure if their numbers for next 7 days of viewing would count.
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Just rewatched the sex scene between Oliver and Laurel and realized 1) I don't remember any of it past the koala move (and I think I remember that mostly because of the bloopers) and 2) that scene came across as more of a setup for them to be discovered by Tommy. I mean, the camera spent more time on Tommy's reaction than on Oliver and Laurel. So it really wasn't about them-them.
But yeah, a stupid move for both and one of the many, many, many reasons I rejected them as a couple. When you're feeling so bad for the other guy and hating the "main couple" for causing him pain, there is something extremely wrong.
Oh yes, that scene was actually a set up for Tommy's most heroic moment - his eventual sacrifice to save Laurel's life. It was NEVER about actualization of their love.
The season 1 ended not so triumphantly for either The Arrow or Oliver Queen. One device went off and half the Glades was still levelled, his mother was imprisoned and we later found out that Merlyn really was not killed. He then went to Lian Yu to lick his wounds in privacy. Tommy, on the other hand, emerged to be the true hero of that season. He saw his best friend and the woman he loved betray him but he still chose to forgive them both - he saved the woman from death and absolved his friend of any guilt before he died. In fact, if any one emerged a decent human being and a true hero after season 1, it was Tommy. Diggle, Felicity & Roy Harper were the other decent characters - everyone else has done something shady or criminal or cruel to hurt others.
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To be honest, I don't care enough about Laurel to worry about or be angry about the fact that she's seemingly getting everything that fulfills her comic book 'destiny' in less than a year because it means that I won't have to suffer through her ridiculous 'transformation' in the upcoming seasons. Honestly, she's training with Nyssa so she'll probably become a pretty good fighter in the next 6 months (look at Roy), she's going to get the
canary cry from Cisco
, she already has the mask and suit, and people are already calling her BC... What other story of hers is left to tell? Literally nothing compelling. So the sooner they finish her arc, the sooner the show can get to stuff that's more interesting like Diggle's association with HIVE, Felicity's father (which I'm hoping is intertwined with the HIVE arc), and more focus on Oliver's journey.
So yeah, I'm bummed that I have to sit through this, but on the other hand, I'd rather rip the bandaid off because it seems like next season she will be more of a background character which I like.
I really really wanna believe it but I am afraid it will be the exact opposite. They have significantly increased Laurel's screen time this year despite extremely poor showing and fan response last year. I don't see that pattern changing in future.
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I get the desire to come up with new things but why fix something which ain't broken.
Team Arrow was lovely and did not need new members this season. Arrow verse was rich enough without all the additional characters that have not added much to the narrative of the core group and have wasted precious screen time in telling their stories.
I am surprized these people still have jobs and are entrusted to create 3 more Tv shows when writing for the first one has been all over the place this season.
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Beyond the pilot, I always got a brotherly vibe. But they still were great together. Thea just seems better with roy & laurel always seemed better with tommy.
Roy Harper is the best boyfriend in the history of CW so there is no denying that he is very very good for Thea.
I am talking about initial episodes - right until Thea tried to kiss him. There was great potential between the two and could be explored if they had not decided to make him her half brother.
I liked Tommy far too much for him to be saddled with Laurel who either judged him, or treated him like a boy that needed to be reprimanded all the time. The way she treated him during their double date with Oliver & Helena still rankles me. She was not a good girl friend - to either Oliver in the flashbacks or to Tommy during season 1.
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Am I the only one who shipped Tommy/Thea? LOL I know, now we know that they were siblings, but I loved them.
Oh I shipped them real bad. I shipped them before I shipped Olicity. Tommy was so so good with Thea.
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But there was a bouquet ... that Felicity caught!
Why would they drop that hint if there was no wedding with Felicity being one of the persons getting married?
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I wanted to expand on a couple of non-spoilery statements made over on the spoilers thread, about Ray making Felicity a potentially worse person, and also, this:
I have: the last two episodes have stated, in script, that Felicity still has feelings for Oliver - strong feelings. She told him that yes, they weren't together, but "that was your choice." She checked him out at the wedding, and looked sad and wistful after he told her he just wanted her to be happy. She admitted to Ray that yes, she had feelings for Oliver. That alone is a reason to break up with someone, unless you're planning an open relationship or a threesome.
Then there's Ray himself: I'd say episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, and 17 have given plenty of reasons for Felicity to break up with Ray. In the first episode, he pinged her phone and tracked her to a hospital - even apart from the pinging, it's a safe bet that people in hospitals aren't there for fun, but for medical reasons involving themselves or their friends. In the second episode, he purchased her company to force her to work for him. In the fifth episode, he showed up at her apartment unasked and uninvited. In the third episode, he failed to disclose why he had hired and what he was using the Applied Sciences information for; in the 7th episode, he failed to tell her why he wanted the dwarf star stuff. I link those two because Ray later claimed that he'd always been open and honest with Felicity; in at least four episodes, he wasn't. In the 9th episode, Ray pinged her phone again, this time not for work purposes, but to discuss a kiss after she'd said she didn't want to talk about it. In the 11th episode, Ray hit on her one week after she said she was mourning the loss of someone who was more than a friend.
In the last episode alone, he didn't trust her judgement about Oliver; he didn't tell her that the suit they were working on together worked; he called a press conference about Oliver without telling her about it; he set up an 800 number that directed calls to her, not him, even though it was addressing his concern, and didn't clear this with her; he hunted down her friends, which had the potential to put her in jail; and he electrocuted Roy.
The only episode where Ray didn't do anything objectionable at all was episode 16, "The Offer," the one that showed Oliver making Felicity smile and vice versa.
And to be fair, on her side, she hasn't shown a lot of trust either - she wasn't exactly open with him about why she was upset in episodes 5, 10, and 11; she didn't tell him that she was working with a vigilante group, even after they started sleeping together; she hasn't told him (yet) that she's aware of metahumans, which given the suit, is a biggie. (It's not clear how much of this is getting covered by the Starling City news media; Felicity seems to be tracking it through Iris' blog, but as far as we can tell, Iris hasn't really been reporting much on metahumans since getting a job as a reporter, so it's not clear how much Ray could find out without Felicity.) This is not a relationship based on trust, is what I'm saying. That's a big problem.
But Ray aside, what it really comes down to is, what makes Felicity happier? And here, I realized something interesting:
During the first season, after the first two episodes, Arrow went out of its way to show that Oliver and Laurel weren't just bad for each other: terrible things happened to other people, and each other, whenever they did start to get closer. I noted this in my specific episode discussions, but it got considerably more blatant: between the characters themselves (Helena and Tommy excepted, and even those two, to an extent) continually reminding us in every episode about their hellish backstory, and Oliver and Laurel making bad decisions whenever they started to work together, the show was not exactly subtle with "THESE TWO TOGETHER TOTALLY SUCK."
This season, we have the exact opposite happening. Oliver and Felicity start out the season together. When they are together, everything is great - the sets are bathed in light, criminals are going down, Quentin, Oliver and Laurel are all on good terms, Sara is alive, people are praising Arrow on the news, and apparently, the DA has not yet taken off on his or her now months long vacation. (Which actually may not be a good thing. I completely approve of this DA's decision to stay far away from this show, given the terrible things that happen to city officials and specifically DAs and ADAs on this show.) And while Felicity initially misses what Ray's up to, she gets an immediate revenge.
Then what happens? Oliver breaks up with Felicity. Suddenly, the sets go dark. Sara dies. And over the next few episodes, we see Oliver making a series of ever more inexplicable, terrible decisions. Dueling Ra's Al Ghul - all other things aside - leaves the city vulnerable to Brick. The guy that wants to protect his sister ends up letting the guy that brainwashed that sister sleep on his sister's couch (bad move, Oliver.) He loses Quentin's support. He's back to fighting with Laurel.
But the thing is, this also applies to Felicity. Last season, Felicity was the woman who instinctively distrusted Isabel and figured out that Moira was hiding something - and what. This season, Felicity was unable to tell that Ray was building a secret robot suit even though she was working directly with him and even provided him with some of the applied sciences info and knew that he wanted some dwarf star thing; she had to ask him for clarification.
And of course, in direct contrast to the past two seasons, Felicity has spent this season crying a lot. She's miserable without him. And, for the first time on the show, she's actually been mean and said a few things that crossed a line to both Ray and Oliver.
Which is to say, this entire season is focused on showing that Felicity and Oliver are not better apart.
While I'm at it, I wanted to discuss two other minor points on this thread. The first is whether or not Ray or Oliver knows more about fidelity, and whether Ray or Oliver is better at carrying things through.
With the first - well, pre-island Oliver was a cheating jerk. We know of at least two, more probably ten women that he cheated on Laurel with. That sucked. If we count Oliver turning towards Shado after staring at Laurel's picture on the island, that's three.
(I'm not sure if Shado actually counts, since in my head taking your girlfriend's sister on a cruise to China counts as a breakup, but since Oliver kept saying Laurel would never know, maybe in his head it wasn't a breakup. However, let's at least agree that it wasn't exactly staying faithful to Laurel while he was on the island.)
So yeah, pre-island Oliver sucked in that regard. But we've never seen post-island Oliver cheat on anyone. Make a lot of questionable decisions about women and seriously suck at relationships, yes, but cheat, no. So he's improved a bit there.
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Ray's fiancee died last May, the same night that Oliver told Felicity "I love you" for the first time. Since then, Ray kissed another woman in November (about six months later) and slept with another woman in February, about nine months after that. There's nothing wrong with this at all - in fact, it's healthy - but it does not exactly suggest that Ray has been faithful to his dead fiancee's marriage; he moved on from that in less than a year. Meanwhile, Oliver, since that declaration, has barely looked at another woman, even in the flashbacks. So holding Ray up as some sort of exemplar of fidelity versus Oliver really doesn't seem to work this season - especially since we have no idea what Ray was like with or before Anna. To be fair, Ray honestly doesn't strike me as the playboy type, and there's no indication to suggest that he did cheat on anyone, but I just don't think comparing current Ray to pre-island Oliver is a fair approach.
On a related note - yeah, pre-island Oliver dropped out of four colleges and didn't stick to anything. Pre-island Oliver was, to be kind, a complete loser. (I still don't know why Laurel was interested in him. She's way better than he was.) Post-island Oliver, though, does: in the first season, he did not stop investigating or trying to stop the Undertaking even after finding out his mother was involved. He risked his life to stop it. In the second season, Oliver focused on stopping Slade, with Felicity and Sara more than once having to tell him to take a break, and Oliver not always listening. He was willing to give up his life to stop Slade (though, to be fair, some of that seems to have been because his mother's murder sent him spiraling into a deep depression), and he was determined enough that he was willing to risk the life of someone who was at the very least a close, trusted friend - whether or not you believe the "I love you." And it worked; Slade was in jail. This season opened with showing us that Oliver was continuing to work, unpaid, to bring criminals in, and was ok with the loss of his company in part because it would allow him to focus on his main goal - crime fighting. Later, we saw that Oliver saw things through to the extent that he was willing to climb up a mountain bare handed and fight a sword duel in the snow just to save his sister. We then saw that he was so intent on his "Save Malcolm" plan (no matter what else anyone, including me, thinks about this) that he was willing to take a five minute plane ride to Nanda Parbat (cough), upset his friend and partner to the point of losing her (temporarily), and fight a large group of well trained assassins.
Meanwhile, we saw, on the show, Ray with his three PhDs temporarily abandon Palmer Technologies to focus on the robot suit to the point where the stock price was in some jeopardy - somewhat similar to what Oliver did last season (after initially getting QC stock prices back up) after he found out about Slade. Which is to say, I don't think we've seen anything that suggests 3rd season Ray is any better or worse at seeing projects through than post-island Oliver is. Pre-island Oliver, sure - but the entire point of this show is to show how much Oliver has changed from that point.
Meanwhile, although Ray has commented on Felicity's crying (like everyone), and, to be fair, offered her a much better job and one closer to her skill set than the one Oliver did, which did cheer her up and make her happy, the people who have actually given her emotional support are Barry, Diggle, Caitlin, Laurel (surprisingly enough), and, well, Oliver, especially back in episode 5, but also in episode 9 (where he was trying to reassure her before taking off) and sort of episode 12 (where his first act in the Arrow Cave was to hug her and assure her that he was ok.), and in this last episode where, sigh, Oliver was the one to help fix things between Ray and Felicity because he wants her to be happy. Ray listened to Felicity say that she was upset about the loss of someone more than a friend; he not only didn't say much in response, but he hit on her in the very next episode. At this point, Malcolm, of all people, has been more understanding of Felicity's grief than Ray has, and when you reach that level, there's a problem.
So on paper - well, Ray is willing to go out with Felicity, and Oliver isn't, which is huge - and the only good reason I can think of for Felicity to stay with Ray at this point. At least this way she's getting laid. But otherwise, I don't think the show has given us much reason to think that Felicity is going to be better off with Ray, or that Ray is the better person, even with the money, the PhDs and the supersuit.
None of this is to say that Felicity and Oliver getting together will or even could solve all of these problems - it's pretty obvious that both of them have huge commitment issues, and Oliver said in the first season that those commitment issues pre-dated the island, which seems fair enough. Oliver also seems to have a pretty high level of self-loathing. So problems will continue if/when those two crazy kids get together - but I think there's at least a level of trust between them that will help.
I literally want to marry this whole post.
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What makes not telling Iris worse is that Joe and Barry had no problem telling Eddie, who a) last we checked, was under the impression that Barry was either after his girlfriend or suffering from lightning psychosis, and b) has only known them for about seven months, but not Iris.
Grr.
When you do find out, Iris, you have my permission to kick all three of them to the ground.
I think Iris should dump all the three men in her life, move to Metropolis and now that Mason is dead, learn reporting under the guidance of one Lois Lane.
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I was one of those people who were indifferent to Ray Palmer till last episode. I mean we all knew the writers had a specific purpose for him, he will fill it and that would be the end of it all, plus I really like Brandon Routh as a person. He seems like an extremely affable person.
Sadly, the misogynist creep that emerged in the last episode (he refused to believe Felicity, a woman he was sleeping with and he was apparently into her but believed another straight white dude whom he thought was a murderous criminal) made me want to hit him in head and then electrocute him and leave him in that same alley where he left poor Roy. He was a douche to his girlfriend, a sexist pig to Laurel Lance the lawyer, an ass to Oliver who is sorta hero, he was a hypocrite in general as he criticized Oliver for being judge, jury and executioner but went on to do exactly the same and then electrocuted poor Roy who was just standing next to Oliver. He did not even pay the price for any of that and then he also got to kiss the girl!
They also made Felicity apologize to him for being loyal to her team and friends. So yeah, I want the writer of that episode and Ray Palmer both in a lot of pain.
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It's very possible that the original plan was:
Arrow, 317, ending on Oliver and Diggle's talk in the Arrowcave (that entire scene played out as a nice coda to the episode, although I still think Oliver should have brought up Ray in that conversation.
Flash, 118, realizing that if Oliver could take down Ray's suit with one quick throw, it's not really going to be that hard for others to take Ray out (you failed this superhero thing, Ray), Felicity and Ray head over to Central City.
Arrow 318, Supersuit fixed, Felicity and Ray return to Starling City: the episode starts with the attack on the mayor's office. Ray ends up in the hospital.
Instead, for reasons that will almost certainly not become clear later, the attack on the mayor's office was moved to the end of 317, which explains why portions of the wedding felt truncated (I'm pretty sure extended scenes for that are coming on the DVD). A couple of people also noted that some lines seemed to have been cut from one of the Felicity/Ray scenes, which is possible.
Not sure about Ray/Felicity scene but yes, the whole wedding sequence looked incredibly choppy to me. I mean they had Thea all decked up in a nice dress and they did not even give her a single dialogue? They had to pay her for the episode appearance right?
The second one was Ray and Oliver Queen scene where in the middle of the argument, Oliver tells Palmer that he has no idea what the city is up against and then leaves. I thought a couple of lines were missing.
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arrowlogy asked:You said there´d be another wedding this season. Im guessing bouquet and fern?
MG: It will not be an inter-plant wedding.
Sometimes I weep for humanity!
I mean why do people ask these questions!
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You can see the interview the page before here starting around 4:40.
She said "it's awesome, being the first woman superhero on television [she looks a bit puzzled].. as of now."
It sounds like she's heard her bosses are making a Supergirl series, but not about Agents of SHIELD.
What the actual eff!
Katie should go and sit in a corner for 30 minutes for not knowing what the word super means. I mean if she thinks her bumbling with a baton can in any way be misconstrued as 'super hero' shenanigans, then she needs to revaluate just about everything.
On a side note, can someone please buy her a dictionary and highlight words & phrases like soul mate, epic, kick ass and of course, 'super' for her to know what they actually mean?
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This is Roy Harper dropping some truth bombs in season 2. I actually always liked him. In fact I was quite pissed at the writers that he was inducted in the team in 2x12 and was conveniently dropped from the storyline. From 2x13 - 2x17 they forgot him & later Thea & Felicity as well, and turned the show into Sara Lance/Lance Family Drama. Even Oliver Queen took a back seat into the whole saga. Those were dark times.
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As long as it is not the butter that Brandon Routh is selling ...
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Honestly, this sounds like 100% like a cute, dopey thing Roy would say, not Thea. But I think it's definitely them. Maybe the writers forgot who broke up with whom? That wouldn't surprise me either.
Roy never wanted to break up with Thea, it is her idiot brother who forced it. Thea, on the other hand, actually told him off in Corto Maltese that they should just be friends. Considering she moved on from Roy (who is like THE BEST BOYFRIEND in Arrow verse) to DJ Assassin who wanted to kill her in her post coital bliss, this could be her dialogue. I mean she should think that she is the biggest idiot ever to ditch poor - now electrocuted - Roy with his perfect jawline and perfect cheekbones and permanent sass.
Plus, I feel confident in saying that neither Ray nor Felicity would say "in the history of forever."
And they have to go to Central City as a couple for that Flash episode. That anticipated break up will most probably happen in 3x19
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Technically only Thea and Roy have had a relationship and then called it off to warrant this dialogue.
Some people - probably high or drunk or both - on twitter are calling it to be a Laurel/Oliver dialogue. I was like "Son, just stop."
Funny, for an episode supposedly high on action, both dialogue teases are extremely shippy!
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Did anyone notice that Palmer just left before the reception? What was the point of bringing him in the first place if he was going to work without going to the reception??? IT MAKES NO SENSE. Typical shoving of characters into places they don't belong.
In addition to everything that has been mentioned, Ray Palmer was there at the wedding so that Diggle could threaten him (which was 50 kinds of wonderful and I do want Diggle to make him go away) and Oliver can work in as many longing looks towards Felicity while she was smiling at Palmer's super lame jokes as the minister.
His presence was also mandatory so that Oliver could express his support of the new relationship while looking longing at Diggle & Lyla and then at Felicity to tug our heart strings. Basically Ray Palmer was at the wedding for Oliver's multiple lovelorn longing looks at various people.
PS: Laurel also smiled beatifically at Felicity when Palmer made his super lame jokes like she was encouraging/admiring her choice of boyfriend .... you go girl.
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At this point, just about every person in the fandom is more invested in Oliver's sex life than Oliver himself. But then again, that man needs help.
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Lord Mesa is so good, Stephen Amell follows him on Instagram
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Had it been anyone else, Felicity would have had his head for electrocuting Roy because she is protective of her friends but poor Roy was electrocuted and was left by both Mr Wonderful (Palmer) and Mr Surly (Oliver) and Felicity did not say anything?
What was THAT?
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I think KC does not even watch her own show in its entirety. Arrow has/has had at least three bad ass fighter ladies in Caity Lotz's Sara Lance, Celina Jade's Shado and Rila Fukushima's Tatsu Yamashiro (Katana).
This season alone, Willa Holland's Thea has had much more impressive fight scenes than Katie's Laurel.
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Somewhere it was mentioned that he is 22.
Thea is 20 and he is a couple of years older than her.
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Felicity Smoak: Bitch With Wifi
in Characters of Arrow
This dress that she wore in 2x06 is my favorite Felicity dress of all three seasons. It was professional, the right fit and showed her assets - her amazing legs - without being too flashy or work inappropriate.
I still think that boob cut out dress was the worst thing ever and we had to see it twice in two very important episodes, The Scientist and The Calm.