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10 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:
HTGAWM will return later than expected: Thursday April 2nd
Essentially, they won't say it out loud, but it's due to them needing to pair Station 19 and Grey's together, but also keeping A Million Little Things right after Grey's and since AMLT isn't ending (unless it gets cancelled), they seem to want to bring that back sooner. So we have to wait extra time for the remaining six episodes.
That is a real long time for 6 episodes, not sure people will tune in after such a long wait, or even remember where it left off
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14 hours ago, alexvillage said:
It never fails: anything Shonda Rhymes has her finger on makes me hate every single character. I either hate them all or don't care about any of them. I tried to watch the other shows I know are Shonda's. I couldn't. Viola Davis has me still watching this one but frankly, I don't think iI follow the stories and absurdities anymore - if I ever did. I am just looking at the woman, knowing that everyone else is just murdering, conniving, lying, fleeing.
It is all so ridiculous, so far removed from a grain of reality, I can't even.
It is not that the characters are "flawed". It is that they are all so corrupt/liars/criminal/unethical, they are so completely unredeemable, I can only see them as super villains that cannot exist in real life. It makes me question Shonda's own ethics/view of the world and people. She must have a dark little heart indeed.
She is the most overrated producer out there and I don't get the whole fandom around her.
Have to say though, she is good at the effort to hire minority actors. And she got Viola Davis to work in one of the shitshows (the only actor I consider worthy of my hate watch in all of shondaland's productions)
Playing devil's avocate here but I think the show is all on Pete Nowalk and Shonda just produces it, so for this one she should not get blamed
Now regarding the characters, well the title is how to get away with Murder. Not minor fraud or theft, but murder, so amorality was kind of To be expected from Day one.
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On 10/16/2019 at 1:17 AM, Pallas said:
Wake up, Maggie, I think they've got something to say to you...
Love the Rod Stewart reference !
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On 8/5/2019 at 8:44 AM, Quilt Fairy said:
Well, that's just fucking stupid. I'm female, and I loved the complicated story. What exactly is this "core premium female audience"? Doesn't he know there's already a Hallmark Movie Channel?
What is worse is that the show itself was very balanced in terms of male/female interesting/developped/well acted characters, it is not like women were only faire-valoirs for men. Emily, Claire, Naya, Baldwin... did he even watch it?What a bunch of crap.
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Last year JK was snubbed so I wasn't expecting OW and HL to be acknowledged either, when even a powerhouse like him with the range he displayed was ignored. What bothers is that indeed, GoT got a huge amount of noms where, without dissing the actors, I feel like the Counterpart cast had better material, writing and overall opportunities to show their range and talent. But the fact that the Emmy go with the flow rather than acknowledge actual acting is nothing new or surprising.
On another note, episode 6 of this season deserved a nomination for i dont know, anything, because it was Incredibly good. But oh...
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I had forgotten how good this show was and loved this second season. I like the approach of time travel where the past doesn't change, if something happened, or happened and going only means that you created it, like Claudia killing Egon trying To save him, same with Jonas trying to prevent his Dad from killing himself.
This show goes really deep in family dynamics, and props to the actors who sell the emotion really well. Claudia/Egon, Jonas/Michael, Mikkel/Ulrich, all their interactions were beautifully done.
The casting is fantastic, old Ulrich and ils Magnus really look like the actors were aged up
I was gutted by the Charlotte/Elisabeth reveal, what a strange loop here
Now season 3 opens on something else, I really can't wait to see where it leads
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On 5/27/2019 at 7:57 AM, Fiver said:
Yup. Actually, this monotone, dead-eyed affect started at the very beginning of season seven, and I hated it. I realize Arya was trained by Jaqen H'ghar and learned to put on a good poker face, for lack of a better expression, but man, did it get old. I especially hated the scene where she doesn't show any fear or apprehension over fighting the Army of the Dead and nonchalantly throws a dagger at a target like it's no big thing while talking to Gendry. Give me a damn break. I could never get emotionally invested in Arya after a certain point, because she didn't act like any person I know. There was too much of a disconnect, there.
I didn't mind the coldness because I get it but I hated how smug she was. In all her scenes with Gendry for starters, which killed the initial chemistry of earlier seasons, and the worst was the council. I really used to like Arya but this season left me bitter with her evolution.
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5 hours ago, Beachdreamer said:
He was there, and he and Arya weren't together? Another disappointment, then.
Pretty disappointed they didn't have him give Storm's End to Davos and follow up on what he said to Arya in 8x04. The guy hated highborns and didn't know how to be a Lord, so it would have been fighting To have him be with the Lady who doesn't want to be one, but I guess they needed to show Arya was a lone wolf forever. That and they never cared about the character after s3.
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1 minute ago, Maximum Taco said:
I don't think they were trying to save money persay, but I do think they had a budget, and this season was clearly the most expensive since the mains (Lena Headey, Peter Dinklage, Emilia Clarke, Kit Harington, NCW, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams etc.) all needed to have new contracts since most standard contracts only go to season 7.
And then they wanted to have 2 episodes with huge battles that required a lot of CGI in addition to a lot of extra work.
So they cut the episode order in half in order to accommodate that. I think Season 8 probably had a comparable budget to previous seasons though.
If it was feasible I think they should've done a Season 8 that just comprised the War for the Dawn, and kept this budget, and then had a Season 9 with a similar budget to wrap up on the fight for the Iron Throne. But they probably had a lot of issues with the cast getting to be too big to afford.
Except that HBO was ready to pay for 10 episodes or even more, so definitely not a budget issue apart from the one D&D created by wanting to be done in 6 episodes. GoT was HBO major show bringing viewers and money, if they could have kept it going they would have, so I don't think the cast salaries has anything To do with it
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43 minutes ago, phoenix780 said:
I like this episode the more I think about it. I decided to believe that Dany didn't go mad, exactly, she just made a choice after seeing that the masses weren't cheering her after the city surrendered. I also think Arya died several times and was brought back by the lord of light, as was the white horse she rode off on. I kind of like that they've left room for me to read things into it, at least until the finale.
It's not the story I was hoping for, but I don't think it's being told badly. Except for the smallness of Westeros- they get around it very quickly, even those not on a dragon, and that's weird.
For me it is the contrary
I like the themes they went for but hate the execution.
I liked that the Others weren't the real threat because mankind will never be able to set aside selfishness and assemble against a greater existential issue, or maybe temporarily only.
I liked that they showed how power corrupts you through Danny. How many politiciens start thinking they will do better than the previous ones just to end up as rotten in the end?
I liked that they showed that sometimes you just can't get out of a toxic relationship / addiction despite your best efforts.
I liked that Arya killed the NK and not Jon because this was too Harry Potter/Luke Skywalker/Chosen one for me
BUT: when your show is GOT, you just can't get there while rushing, brushing logic aside, dumbing your characters and tweaking them so they fit your plot. You don't gloss over necessary pièces of dialogue and characterisation. You don't rob your audience of Jon processing who he is and his sisters actual reactions to it. You don't have Jamie sleeping with Brienne just to treat her like trash. You don't get to Deanerys snapping in 1,5 episodes. You don't dispatch the NK in 1 episodes while his WW polish their nails watching him slooooowly walk to Bran. You don't kill a dragon because Danny is suddenly myopic, happily flying while she knows Cersei is waiting for her.
They could have had all major plot points be the same and that would have been fine had they organically reached them. But NO! They wanted to be done with it so what should have been 2 seasons was reduced to 6 episodes and that left me with a bad taste. When you are a show that brought back event TV, you can't settle with being just OK, you need to be great and this season definitely is not.
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1 hour ago, BooBear said:
-Why was the hound aware that if Arya went any further into the city she would die but he was willing to die for NO REASON. HIs brother would have died protecting Cersie. That was totally obvious.
Because for the Hound it was not about his brother dying, it was about getting revenge against him. That is why he showed Arya she had to let go of revenge or she'd end up like him. Sandor was not satisfied just watching his brother die by someone else's hand, he needed do have this last fight
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@anamika: I agree completely that Jon lineage should have mattered in his storyline, I just disagreed that it was useless entirely. But everything else about how we should have seen him and his sisters cope with it, I am 100% with you. At a lesser level and because nobody cares about him but me, this is how I felt for Gendry learning who he was, not one second we got to see his character process it, and even worse when he was made a lord. This only served to remind us Arya is no lady by having him act completely OOC compared to how he was in S1 to S3.
Both guys with huge background used for someone else's storyline so far
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3 hours ago, Stallion12 said:
The problem with johns ending is as you already mention, his backstory is useless. That reveal and buildup went no where. It would have been better if he wasn't her newphew.
I wouldn't go that far, Jon lineage is useless to him, but for Deanerys it robs her of her legitimity which since Viserys died she was so sure of. It is a huge blow for her confidence, as she knows people will see her as not entitled to the throne but Jon, who on top of that has people sympathy. So yeah, it never was about Jon would be affected, it was about how she would be affected.
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41 minutes ago, Raachel2008 said:
Davos, not only because Liam Cunningham would have knocked if out of the park, but because it would have showed that even seasoned people we’re horrified by it all.
I was about to say Davos too. As an ex commoner, he would definitely get revulsed by Dany's action. On the same line, Gendry would also have fitted (He specifically told Davos "us common folk are just pawns to you highborns" back in s3 in their dialogue scence) but apparently he was nursing his heartbreak north or in the stormlands.
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1 minute ago, tv-talk said:
So much of the talk around the show was tied to feminism and strong female characters that Dany behaving like...basically every GoT character aside from Jon was going to bother lots of people who expected the more Hollywood move of benevolent Dany saving KL from evil Cersei. I think big point of the show is that generally the people who want power will do anything for it and without much concern for the common person.
Dany said it herself, she was not loved and would NEVER be loved there the way Jon would have been. She killed all those people because they were a threat to her rule, she decided for herself that 1mill commoners who didnt want her there was never going to work, so she annihilated them to the point that no one will ever question her again out of FEAR. She said it herself and it isnt "madness" it's cold and calculating (ok dragonfire hot and
See, I am a very independent woman myself but I totally agree: it isn't about feminism it is about how power corrupts and how even people with the best intentions initially can fall to their worst side. We are all primarily selfish, and no one is pure good or pure Evil. The fact that so many people were divided between Sansa/Dany and this episode shows that we all have things that make us react differently, opinions and POV that are just not the same. And for this episode i Feel this is the same case: some will say Dany would never do such a thing, some will say they saw it coming. In the end, I really find this episode fascinating on that aspect, as rushed as it was
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19 minutes ago, rmontro said:
I don't think people are ignoring the hints that they've dropped about Dany over the years. The dots are there if you WANT to connect them, or if you are a WRITER who wants to bring about a certain conclusion. But bottom line is, I just don't buy it. The show failed to sell it to me. Dany was a force for good for the vast majority of the show, and the main reason she turned villain at the end is because the writers wanted her to. That's what it feels like. Not because it's the natural progression for the character.
I guess it is all subjective and depends on how each relate to a character. I always was neutral about Daenerys, so I can't say I am surprised to see her go there, I just feel it was rushed. I remember thinking she was being hypocritical when she state she wanted to break the wheel but still wanted to be on the IT. She did have a savior complex, she needed to feel loved by the people, and I will admit that seeing everyone betraying her, losing 2 dragons and her best friend, plus knowing there was someone else that could win favors better than her in Westeros was a lot in little time. Conquering Westeros went far differently than what she planned. But we did not see and actual rejection of Dany by the common folk, so her latching out on them came out of left field. We needed more episodes to build up to there.
I don't think her character was assassinated, but as I say, she was never the character I connected with, I can see how it is different for people who related to her.
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25 minutes ago, GodsBeloved said:
I haven't done a rewatch but did she say that hated her? I thought she said they didn't love her which isn't saying they hate her.
I would have taken Cersei turning the people of Kings Landing and downmining Danny last episode a million times over Gendry sudden brain cells loss, Jaime sleeping with Brienne and Bronn's meh scene. Had we seen that play out and people of KL actively rejecting Daenerys to her face (And why not have the population lynch some of Danny's soldiers to show they are xenophobic like the Northerners), I might have understood why she went there even after the surrender. I feel the writers shortcutted important points that could have lead to getting why Danny lost it against the people (even if i do see where her anger and loneliness was coming, but not the madness). But here...no, something was missing
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Ok so upon rewatch, I can appreciate what the show went for: out worst ennemy is not Death, it's greed, envy, hubris and power. I much prefer this approach than the mystical White walkers. I can even appreciate the "We love who we love" with Jamie and Cersei. But damn if some characters weren't completely morphed personality wise To get there!
I might be also in the minority of people who appreciate that Jon didn't kill the NK and Arya didn't fulfill her list, because life happens. But I can't say the execution was perfect. Even with longer episodes, the show still would have needed more time to really delve into the characters To make it better
So no, I did not hate the episode, but I regret the rush
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4 hours ago, ShellsandCheese said:
Tyrion did in a very exaggerated way, I knew at that moment, she was going to totally disregard the bells and reign down fire and blood. The best part of the episode was Drogon coming out of the shadows to dispatch of Varys.
Also, Jon's a pussy. I've never seen a show ruin all of their main characters in such a short period of time: Jaime, Tyrion, Dany, Jon; and don't get me started on the secondary characters such as Grey Worm, Varys, et al Unbelievable.
You know, I didn't mind that the NK was defeated in ep3 because the human aspect of the show was more interesting To me but what you say here is so true: the characters personalities, inner motives, interactions, they were trashed. So where I could forgive the show with the NK storyline, it sucks that they also missed the human side too.
I used to like GoT because every character was well rounded and each POV could be understood but this season crapped on everything, and as you point out so well, for major AND minor characters. The list is too long for me to describe all the characters I couldn't recognize this year compared to earlier seasons. How to ruin your show indeed.
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2 hours ago, rmontro said:
Poor Gendry, he was just being a typical stupid man there, who allowed himself to get overwhelmed by the charms of a woman. I wonder how he'd feel knowing she went off with the Hound?
I really hate what they did to the character, between him being everyone's butt monkey last season and now him becoming stupidly enamored with Arya...I wonder if Dempsie enjoyed playing him at all because the guy is basically a dimwit doormat by now.
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1 hour ago, VCRTracking said:
Those who are disappointed are those that made the NK be more than what he was, i.e. the embodiement of Death. They wanted ulterior motives I think and only got a banal Evil Villain who died taking his sweet time marching to Bran. In the end I suppose he was just too much of a simple "Bad guy".
I can understand the disappointment but since I never cared for the WW and NK because human complexity is far more intersting to me (just a personal preference, no judgement here), I am glad we are done with it. As for saying he went easily, that is only because few named characters from S1 died beyond Theon and Jorah, but in the facts, the Death toll is huge. It was not easy by any means.
But as we didn't get the usual rehashed Trope "CHOSEN ONE battling One vs One against the Big Baddie with epic music and great scenery" a la Harry Potter / Luke Skywalker etc, etc... some shortcut it as easy. Maybe they should have ended ep3 sooner and finish the Battle in ep4, but IMO 1h30 of Battle is enough, back to humans being flawed and complex, Thank you.
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4 hours ago, Lady S. said:
I wasn't that surprised about main characters having plot armor, despite all the build-up last week, because that's the way it's always been with battles on this show. (I think the only main characters to die in big battle eps were Ygritte and Ramsay. 3 main characters in 1 ep is Red Wedding-level and all of these characters were more important than Talisa.) But I am pleasantly surprised that my boy Pod had plot armor too. It's only weird that they didn't include any doomed characters in the fireside chat last ep, so that Tyrion actually was 100% right in thinking they'd live.
Yep, I can't remember and major dying in battle beyond those 2. Ned was beheaded, Cat and Robb were assassinated during a feast, Joeff poisoned, Oberyn die on 1vs1, Tywin died taking a dump...
I guess here the ennemy was so much larger in terms of numbers plus their very nature that made them relentless that we were expecting a greater death toll. Although this being ep3 only I wouldn't take my guard down, there are still plenty opportunities for anyone To die, even stupidly like tripping in the stairs
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20 minutes ago, voiceover said:
(apparently I've spent the past 48 hours posting in the wrong thread. *clears throat* So here I am in the "no book" place, to honor Theon and his portrayer, Alfie Allen)
This show has birthed some fascinating character arcs (all the Stark children, for example), and a few -- even more compelling -- redemption arcs: Jaime. The Hound. Theon Greyjoy.
But of those three men (and now I love them all; *hated them in the early going), only Theon has had both an emotional/moral/spiritual redemption, and a physical one.
Jaime was always attractive (See my Ep 1 ref to his current facial hair...I believe the post included the phrase "want to lick it off"); Clegane was always ugly.
But Theon went from this:
-- rat-like, resentful, whingeing, wretched, broken, terrified, resigned --
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-- bathed in the golden light of the True Hero: self-sacrificing, humbled, grateful, loving.
And finally: handsome.
Standing O, Alfie. I bought it all, and I mourned your death more than any one since Ned's.
One of the most overlooked by the general media but thankfully appreciated by fans. He truly knocked it out of the park
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31 minutes ago, steelyis said:
Me! Davos came off small and petty. I expected better of him.
It's disheartening, because even after everything that just happened a lot of these people are going to fall back into old habits and rehash pointless vendettas instead of focusing on building something new and better.
But unfortunately this is deeply human, as history and modern times prove it once and again. We never learn. And that is why I am glad we did not end up on Humanity vs Death. The truth is that power, greed, ego are inherent to human conditions and in the end the real evil we just can't get rid of
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S06.E14: Annalise Keating Is Dead
in How To Get Away With Murder [V]
I don't know, I'd be bummed if Connor got all the brunt. He wanted to confess back in S1 but Annalise sweet talked him into not doing it because she was protecting Wes. Then she reeled the gang in to cover for Asher. He wanted out and Oliver screws him over. He wasn't there when the Simon fiasco happened.
Now he has a whole investigation on his neck and is involved in far too much which could have been avoided if he didn't listen to Annalise back in the days, and she leaves for Mexico. I don't know, I have a hard time faulting him, really.