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5 hours ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

Did she just happen to bring her passport with her on what she thought was going to be an afternoon outing with Jack?   Did she leave it at the hotel?  Were she and Tanya intending to come back?

Palermo is a three and a half hour drive from Taormina. It is logical for Portia to bring her passport along for what is supposed to be a trip of a couple of days that far away from her hotel, even if they were planning to come back. 

Tanya and Portia's trip to Palermo wasn't a day trip like the ones the Di Grassos were taking. This was going 2/3 of the way across the island for multiple days,  

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10 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

My point was I could see this elaborate plot if Greg intended to be with Quentin and was invested in the Piazza but if he was just looking for someone to kill her for pay, a lone hit man would be a safer choice than a large group of people ( including Jack and the boat captain), all of whom would know about the killing and would expect something in return.

You're assuming Quentin has the connections for an actual hitman. 

Everything we saw on screen leads me to believe that Niccolò was exactly what Quentin said he was: Quentin's drug dealer / gigolo, and that Quentin hired him to do the actual killing because a) nobody in Quentin's group had the balls to actually do the deed, and b) he was the only actual criminal they actually knew.

Jack's talk of dangerous people Portia shouldn't mess with was just that... talk. They're just a bunch of broke patrician expats playing at being criminal masterminds in a Patricia Highsmith novel.

When you think about it, all the holes people on this threat have been poking in Greg & Quentin's scheme are actually good writing. None of these people is a career criminal, so of course their plans is riddled with problems that might get them caught.  

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7 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Speaking of Greg I wish we got more clarity there…who was he calling? Where is he now? 

Since Greg´s alibi is that he was called away for work, he is probably in the US. There is no reason for a BLM official to have any business in Europe.

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6 minutes ago, ahpny said:

Yes, Quinten was subtly threatening, but if murder was the plan all along, what was the point of subtlety at this point ? I guess they still had to get her on the small boat willingly? 

My guess is that plan A was to get her drunk and drown her near the hotel, to make it look like an accident. 

Niccolo's bag was probably plan B in case the "make it look like an accident route" became inviable.  

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I don't know if we'll ever be told whether Greg got the money, but in real life with this amount of money, and presumably many competing heirs, that money would be tied up in court for many years. Oh, and spouses don't get the money of spouses they murder, regardless of what a will might say. This is colloquially called the "slayer's rule."

You're assuming Tanya has any other heirs. If she has no children or sibling/nephews/nieces, what competing heirs would there be?

Also, the "slayer's rule" only applies if the murdering spouse is found out. We don't know how much of a communications trail Quentin and Greg left that the Italian police can discover.

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1 minute ago, aghst said:

Also if they were going to murder her, do it in front of Taormina?  Yes their plan was to do it at night.  There was rope and duct tape so maybe the plan was to take her to some remote place and then kill her.

They need her body to be found. Otherwise Greg has to wait 7 years for her to be declared legally dead and access her fortune. 

I think the plan was to get her drunk or drugged and drown her near the hotel. And that the gun, rope, etc. was backup. 

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2 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I could be wrong, but I presume he was initially going to kill her.  Otherwise, she's a loose end that could easily reveal the whole plot.  For me, I was shocked she got into the car with him at all, given she knew at that point he was, at best, super-sketchy and kind of scary.

If the plan was to kill her, I don't think Quentin would've sent the literal fuckboy to do it. He would've gotten another associate of the guy that was going to do Tanya in.

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9 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

Was Jack supposed to kill Portia? He did her a favor letting her go. I just hope when they investigate that it points to Greg.

I don't think so. As Greg's reaction shows in retrospect, Portia's presence in Sicily was not part of the plan and everything relating to her was probably improvised. 

The fact that they waited until they were within sight of the White Lotus in Taormina instead of simply killing her in the yacht and dumping her body in the Ionian leads me to believe that the idea was for Tanya's death to look like an accidental drowning. 

Which makes sense. The last thing Greg wants is for Tanya's body to disappear without a trace. He would have to wait 7 years for her to be declared legally dead and access her millions. Greg needs to the body to be found.  

9 minutes ago, susannot said:

So, Season 3:  we'll see whether Greg gets Tanya's money?  And at the end someone said they removed dead bodies off the yacht.  Not how many dead bodies.  Could Quentin have survived?

Doubtful. He was shot in the lung and spent the entire night bleeding out. It would be a miracle if he survived. 

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So it was murder after all, not blackmail. 

And we get confirmation that Alessio wasn't a pimp. He's just an employee of another hotel.

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16 hours ago, DawnGame said:

Harper clearly either (a) had sex with Cameron or (b) pretended to to wind up Ethan.

It has to be b). There is no possible way for Harper to have timed things in a way that prevented Ethan from arriving right in the middle of them fucking. 

With the door latched it doesn't matter when Ethan arrives, he will jump to the same conclusion all the same.

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6 minutes ago, WatcherUatl10 said:

Are Cameron and Daphne attempting to pull a scam on them on top of that? Probably.

Cameron already tipped his hand on that. He wants Ethan to give him information so they can do some good old fashioned insider trading.

6 minutes ago, WatcherUatl10 said:

She spoke to the hotel worker before they took off, probably to have him get in touch with Alessio to follow them.

Ooh! Good catch!

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Another thing I just realized is that we can cross off Isabella from the possible deaths. If his fiancé was found dead Rocco wouldn't have been so calm. 

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5 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I was so confused why Grampa DiGrasso kept telling the Italian women that his mother was from their village, instead of saying of his mother's name to them.  I get they probably were not going to understand, but her name may at least have sparked something for them, instead of the weird scene we got.

I chalked that up to him being a bit senile.

5 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I'd be surprised if Tanya has a clause in her prenup about her cheating, given her assets are the ones that are really at risk. 

I would assume that there would be an infidelity clause in the prenup, put in by her lawyers to protect her, but that such clauses tend to be reciprocal. 

As in that the prenup says "If one of the parties cheats" instead of "if Greg cheats". 

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1 minute ago, Accidental Martyr said:

I definitely started getting the feeling that Lucia and the guys following her are trying to pull some sort of scam.

Definitively. Alessio's behavior makes not sense for a real pimp.

He would be going after Cameron and Ethan, instead of potentially scaring off the Di Grassos, who have proven to be reliably paying customers.  

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51 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

Was that Tanya's husband Greg in that picture she picked up from the dresser?

Yes! It most definitively was! I'm thinking my theory was right!

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8 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

Someone as wealthy as Tanya is supposed to be likely would have a will that spells out exactly what Greg would get should she die, and it's unlikely to be her entire fortune. 

Why not? Who else would get it?

Tanya doesn't appear to have any kids or close family, and she certainly isn't the type to leave it all to charities. 

And even if the prenup only assigns him say 10%, that's still 50 million dollars.

7 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Is Greg from Wyoming?

Don't recall. But he does work for the Bureau of Land Management, which is a cowboy adjacent occupation if I ever heard one. 

6 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I think Lucia made up the pimp and is playing Albie. It was a little too convenient that she and Albie "accidentally" ran into him while getting gelato. Seems like Lucia hired someone to be in the right place at the right time. Plus, if there had been a pimp, surely he would have been a topic of conversation between her and Mia at some point.

I definitively think she made him up. She only started mentioning him when she started dealing with the infatuated dumbass with delusions of being a white knight.  

6 hours ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

My take on Lucia's pimp -- he's not actually a pimp -- he's an ex-boyfriend she broke up with because of jealousy issues, him holding her back, etc., so she decided to prostitute herself to earn money in order to change her situation. The ex is jealous, possibly physically abusive, and she walked away. But in a small town, they will run into each other, and jealous exes will lash out when they see "their" woman with another man. 

That doesn't fit with the friendly manner she greeted him in her very first scene.

6 hours ago, ZeeEnnui said:

I vaguely remember in the first episode Lucia and Mia discussing someone named Alessio. 

I just went back and checked. When Lucia catches up with Mia, Mia is moping about someone named Massimo, Lucia drags her to see the boat come in and along the way Lucia greets Alessio in passing.

ETA: One additional point I just thought off that makes it unlikely that Alessio is Lucia's pimp is that by this point he would be the one trying to collected the money owed from Cameron, not Lucia.   

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17 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

And not sure what Greg gains  by killing her since they have a prenup..  unless it's life insurance. 

Prenups cover divorce.

But I would assume in the event of her predeceasing him, Greg gets all of her money. 

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Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

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Mia isn't very bright. If Giuseppe had the kind of contacts that could give her a start in the music business, he wouldn't be a fucking lounge singer at a hotel.

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8 hours ago, CarpeFelis said:

I’m starting to think Cameron will be one of the dead bodies.

I'm starting to think that Daphne is planning to kill them all and then pretend she found the bodies. She's playing too many mind games for someone as innocent as she pretends to be. 

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6 hours ago, SnarkShark said:

I will say, they barely tried to hide who "Uncle" is.  That one shot not seeing above his legs made it clear that they were intentionally PHYSICALLY hiding him.  But ironically that kind of stripped bare who he HAS to be. 

 

2 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

Immediate two thoughts:

Pym arrow!

Maya's "uncle" is definitely Wilson Fisk, right?

I’m like 90% sure that was D'onofrio’s voice in the flashback. 

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9 hours ago, Josh371982 said:

Jesus Lexy's mom is such a C word.

Lexy had to learn it from somewhere. Like mother like daughter. 

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2 hours ago, letter8358 said:

This was renewed for another season?!? 

Yes. But it will be an anthology format. 

Next season will be set at another White Lotus property, with a different staff and different guests. 

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25 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

The total amount depends on the denomination of the bills. If those are $10 or $20 bills, the amount will be much lower than $20k. A big tip, and helpful in the short term, but not life-changing, like funding her business would have been. (And even if those are $100 bills, that's still nowhere close to what she needs in order to open her own spa.)

6 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I really don't think that Tanya would have gotten at least three thick stacks of $10 or $20 to give to Belinda when she could have gotten a smaller stack in $100s to pay her off. Those were $50s and $100s which amount to nice amount to put away for a rainy day. If Belinda meets a couple of more Tanyas like that, she would be able to finance her own dream.

I tried to check on HBO Max if we can get a good look at the bills inside the envelope, but it is kind of blurry. I can't read the number on the corner, but does anyone recognize the picture on the bill?

There seem to be four stacks inside the envelope.

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7 minutes ago, Paws said:

It was nice to hear Jennifer Coolidge speaking in a non-zonked voice during her chat w Belinda, but ouch that was hard to watch Belinda listen to it. Poor Belinda.

Poor Belinda indeed. I'm so happy that at the very least she'll have that 20 grand to make up for Tanya's bullshit. 

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2 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I was thinking she was throwing up because she was terrified she was going to get arrested. 

It's probably both.