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On 8/7/2021 at 1:32 AM, emmawoodhouse said:
So, Jordan and Grace against everyone else? I can't see that what with Simone and Jordan being besties. I don't know anything about Grace, and she seemed very quiet, so she was really a cypher.
I agree with you. After the way things turned out it’s easy to forget that Mykayla is included in the group that didn’t actually ‘make’ the final, and if I recall correctly this vlog was recorded before she knew that Simone had any issues and would have to withdraw (she explained that the vlogs were posted out of order due to a copyright issue).
On 8/7/2021 at 6:05 PM, Jeddah said:I would imagine her husband posting about how Grace and Jordan shouldn’t have made the team would probably cause some tension too.
I also agree with this. I actually perceived in that comment that it was likely Mykayla herself as the one with tension with others, not Grace or Jordan. Throughout the vlog she talked about how she was so upset and how she was sobbing from disappointment, and that she worked so hard and couldn’t believe how things turned out with not making vault finals, etc. She also specifically mentioned Jade making finals over her. Again, this was recorded before she knew that she would sub in for Simone. There has been a lot of talk about her ‘deserving it’… then her husband also made his snarky remarks on social media. Maybe a bit of chip on her shoulder?
On the other hand, Grace and Jordan seemed to be living their best lives in Tokyo! All of their press was adorable. I really hope they all had a positive experience overall.
6 hours ago, ShellsandCheese said:Whoa! I’m not going to blame her for the sins or crimes of her mother; but I do hope she has a better future than said mom.
Same here. A lot of people come from crappy families. She seems to have a bright future and I wish her all the best.
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5 minutes ago, blondiek237 said:
I did not see that, so sad
She shared the news on instagram a while back. I'm not sure about the rules for posting links on this forum so I can paste one of her responses below (in the comments after someone inquired about Marcel)
mariah_harmony_
@dallboys123 marcel and I separated after 4 yrs. we realized we wanted different things. We are still hood friends, but happier not together and have both happily moved on
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I was so sad to read that Mariah and Marcel are no longer together. Does anyone know if he will remain on the show? I really enjoyed seeing his special connection to dogs that were fearful or have special needs.
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I love this show so much! I could not believe how many times I held my breath as I waited for little Sophie to venture out beyond the fence. The giraffe birthing scenes were some of the coolest things I have ever seen on a show focused on animals and conservation.
I think Robert is such an impressive young guy. I really love watching his segments and seeing how seriously he is taking his role. He was born for a job like this. I like how he and Bindi have settled into their lanes of interest and seem genuinely interested in everything about the zoo. I also love how passionate Terri is with ensuring the quality and scope of the zoo. As she often says, this zoo is a product of both her and Steve's dreams, and I am proud that she is taking ownership in her own terms and not only as part of Steve's legacy. She seems to be doing a fantastic job with both the kids and with the zoo. I also love how committed Wes is to the family. His scenes with Robert are so touching!
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So now there is a lawsuit between one of the original producers and WB over the revival?! Who knew little GG could cause so much drama!
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Do you guys think that these four episodes will truly be the "end" of GG? I find it hard to believe that Netflix, WB or the stars/writers/creators will shy away from all of the media attention and money that will result from the revival. I seriously see at least one GG related article published on a near daily basis, and most of them have robust comment sections and discussions. I frankly think the public interest has shocked the networks and Netflix. I can't imagine that the stars will all be able to dedicate several months a year to this project in the future, though. Maybe something like one "movie" episode per year to keep things going?
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It's interesting that you mention this, because it was the precursor to it that cost her the trial.
Trials aren't about revenge. Her job is not to seek vengence, and the fact that that was her motivation is why she lost. She assumed that everyone looks at cases the way she does, as a way to get vengence for the victims. But juries aren't necessarily like that, and not everyone is looking for vengence. Some people look for justice, and they aren't the same thing. But because she assumed the jury would see things the way she did, she framed her arguments that way. Clark presented her case as though someone must pay for this crime; Cochran presented it as a quest for justice. Clark's closing arguments made the case that it was clear Simpson committed the crime, but Cochran pointed out that a conviction based on corrupt evidence is not justice. The jury sided with Cochran not because they were biased or racially blind, but because their definition of justice was different from Clark's. If we're going by this portrayal of events, then Clark worked under the assumption that close was good enough, because the jury ought to want vengence as much as she did -- that's why she could say that evidence found be a racist police office didn't matter. it's why she could argue that a single drop of blood from a bloody crime scene was enough. It's why she hung her case on DNA presented by someone who didn't know how to present it, and why she didn't have arguments against the idea that the evidence was mishandled. She thought close was enough. Most times it would have been. In this trial it wasn't.
And I'm glad. I'm not overly glad Simpson got off, but I'm much less comfortable with the State going after people with vengence in mind. And I'm especially not comfortable with prosecutors using their office to work out personal demons and desires for revenge. That might just be my take, but the state has a lot of power, and those who can dispense it must act on a higher motivation than getting even.
I read above that someone thought Darden's close was powerful, and it was. But it also opened an easy door -- if he was so full of rage, why wasn't there more blood in the Bronco? He didn't have time to put plastic on the seats or wipe things down. And in his desire to make the case about the victims, he asked the jury to react emotionally. When they reacted emotionally, that led them back to their gut reactions about LAPD, about Furhman and even about Simpson. It was powerful stuff, but it was the exact wrong message to send.
Now that it's over, I think it was a great show, well acted, well produced. And I also think it was absolute bullshit. It didn't investigate the case or the killings or what made it so compelling 20 years ago -- Murphy & Co. wanted to make a show about a miscarriage of justice, and that's what they showed. It was total bullshit that key parts of the defense's case -- like Henry Lee, like the obliteration of Fung, things that brought into real question the viability of the collected evidence -- were barely mentioned or brushed aside. There were big problems with the state's case that went beyond race baiting, and it was a total screw job that this show is the way the case is now viewed and remembered. Add into that the way they portrayed the jury, as the white members being bullied by their black peers, was reprehensible. We don't know what happened in that room, but to portray it the way they did, without even a hint of the white jurors making a case or an argument, was, well, flat out wrong. It presents as fact that the jury acted wrongly, and frankly, that may be what Murphy believes, but it's absolutely not a fact, nor is it one that any juror has ever suggested. No one was in the room where it happened besides those jurors, and to present their behavior in that light was, like I said, just wrong.
Good show, I hope it wins some awards (though I like The Americans a lot more), and an interesting way to revisit a piece of history. Just not a very fair one.
Great post, and an important perspective that often isn't considered in discussion surrounding this case.
Sorry. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. If you engage a known anti-Semitic organization to protect you, you will be rightfully accused of either anti-Semitism yourself or trying to minimize it. I'm sure Fuhrman received a few death threats after the tapes were made public--imagine the reaction if he'd enlisted the protection of the Klan.
I feel the same way about Fox News hiring Furhman, a known racist. To take it a step further, the fact that people aren't outraged that he was employed by the channel BECAUSE of his known racism is astounding. Furhman was not widely known prior to the case, so I cannot imagine any other reason for his employment. Instead of hearing complaints, Fox News continues to be #1 in ratings. This is the stark reality of the true feelings of many citizens in our nation, and yet another reason I am incredulous when people think you can somehow disregard race in today's society.
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I am way, way too excited about this! I can't believe that they all sucked it up, worked it out and made it happen! I only wish that they could have done this ages ago--now I wonder, what would the revival have been like if Sookie was present the entire time? Jackson was already signed so I imagine that there would have been a significant plot for her. Maybe they held off shooting Jackson's scenes until the end just in case they were able to get her? It would be great if they could shoot several scenes in one day so we can see her in all 4 installments.
Assholes all around. Congrats.
LMAO! As much as I love this show, agreed. We aren't curing cancer here!
Poor, poor Liz. She really will be the only one left not invited to the party. I can't recall if TJ is signed or not?
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I have no concrete reason for feeling this way, but throughout this whole weirdness, I've been under the impression that ASP has resented the fact that when MM became a big star, she didn't give ASP all the credit.
This makes sense. Several other careers have taken off (Lauren, Matt, Liza, etc) but they definitely all talk about Gilmore quite a bit and credit ASP with at least part of their success. Also, Melissa has surpassed all of their fame. If this is true I find it sad--ASP could have a hard time getting other stars to work with her in the future. If they know there is the risk of future alienation from a dramatic showrunner I can imagine that many may shy away from working with her.
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So Melissa McCarthy is definitely NOT doing a cameo or participating at all:
"And now sadly, in an interview this week with Refinery 29, McCarthy has totally shut down any possibility of an appearance by Sookie in the series, saying:
"It’s not. They didn’t ask. And once this came out, because people were starting to say, ‘Oh, you won't do it. You're too big and busy now.’ I was like, ‘No. No one invited me to the party. I didn't get a single call.’ And then after that, it was kind of, ‘Well, she'd like to do it, you guys can call us.’ I have to call and ask? And now I can’t make it happen. I thought it was the strangest thing. I am really proud of that show. I can’t wait for my kids to see it."
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3847091
Ahhh, well. I was holding out hope. I can't believe that ASP never even reached out at all. I'm actually shocked.
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2) Chris Eigeman (Jason/Digger) is back too...wtf.
WHY?!? I was glad to be rid of him in the later seasons of the original run!
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To me, what ruins the crop more than the "few bad apples" is the FACT that the good guys remain silent when those bad apples fuck up. What do they call it? The Blue wall or the Blue shield or whatever? Case in point, the Walter Scott murder in South Carolina. That cop shot a black man in cold blood right in his back. Another police officer pretty much covered up for him and had it not been for a bystander recording the whole thing that cop would probably still be on the force despite IMO the physical evidence that would have indisputably refuted his account of events about "fearing for his life" (a phrase ALL cops use when justifying shooting someone), and how the guy reached for his gun, yadda yadda yadda. This is something blacks knew was going on for decades, but others couldnt believe it and probably still wouldnt had it not been for the video. There were plenty of former cops (and a former NYPD commissioner) on the news beating around the bush about that case. How there shouldnt be a rush to judgment. I guess the inference being everyone should ignore what they see with their eyes and not to use common sense. When bullshit like THAT happens, its really difficult NOT to have a negative feeling about cops. So unless and until the "good guys" start speaking up then they cant complain when they get treated with contempt like the bad guys.
Cops are the ones with the guns, who based on most cases are allowed to act with impunity. They CHOOSE their professions. Black men and women can not choose to be another race. We cant choose not to be racially profiled, or targeted. You want to talk about pressure? Try being a black man in America.
Someone uptread asked when will it end? It meaning the tit-for tat? The OJ jury acquitted him as revenge for Rodney King and other injustices suffered by blacks. One possible answer: when white people become just as outraged and destraught over a black person's murder. People want to say that OJ's celebrity is what caused this trial to be the sensational circus it was. But I just dont believe that if Nicole and Ron were black, people would be this emotional and invested 20 years later.
Im reminded of the closing arguments from Matthew Macconaughey's character in 'A Time To Kill' where he basically convinces the jury to acquit by asking them to imagine the victim was white. Ron and Nicole, yes were human beings first and foremost and deserved justice just on the most fundamental levels of humanity, but no doubt, IMO, the fact that they were white is the reason their murders capitivated the nation (which in 1994 the population was like 80% white). Its also why children who look like Jon Benet or Elizabeth Smart get all the media attention when they go missing.
This post is great, and it really gets at my struggle with the way this case has been discussed and analyzed over the last 20 years. So many people like to see this case as a clear cut, non-ambiguous situation...and maybe in a perfect world it should be, but I think that real life says that it will never be that simple. I think that's unfortunately the reality of living in America. No crime can ever be separated from the societal circumstances in which it was committed. You can't disentangle prejudice, celebrity, race, etc from this case because, just as the forensic evidence, they are facts of great influence and actually impact the deliberation process. These types of non-forensic facts are considered in every single case that goes through the criminal justice system, and many people of color, individuals with low financial means, and individuals with less education suffer the consequences of these non-forensic facts in cases every single day. Conversely, people in positions of power (whether race, education or financial wealth) benefit from this inequity in cases every single day. Back when the trial occurred, I remember many people discussing the fact that this acquittal didn't even begin to tip the scales towards equality in the midst of daily racial injustice in this country. Many people said that race shouldn't be considered and purport Cochran as a horrible person for bringing it up, but how could race not be considered when it actually WAS a factor in the case (although I don't like how it was exploited throughout the case)? So was OJ's celebrity. So was the fact that Nicole was his wife. So was the fact that they were an interracial couple. So was the domestic violence. On and on...they were all factors of influence that we automatically process as human beings. All of this (and so much more) influenced everyone involved and all who consumed the facts, whether on a conscious or unconscious level.
When you factor in these societal circumstances and factors, I don't know how anyone can truly know what they "would" or "wouldn't" have done on this sequestered jury 20 years ago. I certainly can't. We are all influenced by these non-forensic factors as a part of the human condition. If we were embedded in LA during this period of time, how would we have experienced race and power differently? Not watch it on TV and give remote feelings, but actually live in the midst of the police corruption and racism every single day? I don't think the jury was irresponsible--I think they were human beings who did the best they could to struggle through many complicated forensic and societal factors to try to decide if reasonable doubt existed in this case. Fuhrman's involvement played a major part with this struggle. His testimony didn't just highlight what a disgusting human being that he was. It also highlighted a larger issue with the LAPD that struck deeply at the distrust so many African Americans felt at that time (and still feel today). I am an educated person who clearly knows the role of a jury, and even with my strong belief that OJ committed this crime I remember feeling highly suspicious of the honesty of Fuhrman and his LAPD colleagues to the point of not being sure that I could have deliberated towards a "guilty" verdict. If we want to blame someone for this acquittal, blame Furhman. His racism and lies were a huge grievous disservice to Ron and Nicole and made it incredibly difficult to know what to truly believe from the LAPD.
If this TV show has done nothing else, it is facilitating an examination of power, race and wealth in the criminal justice system. It is a little baffling to me that many people I know have been more passionate and upset about this 20-year old crime than they are about the string of recent cases of police misconduct, but if a re-examination of this case can improve things for individuals that are currently suffering then I am glad for it. Also...I know people don't like members of the defense team, but I find it a bit unsettling to be glad that someone else suffered and died of cancer or anything else. I also think OJ was guilty, but that felt like a little lost humanity in this conversation. Just my two cents.
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Thanks for posting that here, Ms Blue Jay. The revival thread with spoilers is so active I don't know if I can resist it for another seven months...but I'll try. :).
This statement by MM is a much more comfortable explanation of whatever miscommunication took place. And her statement doesn't rule out a little surprise cameo appearance, does it?
Ah well, I guess we know what happened now. Too bad that the simple miscommunication may prevent really strong storylines from taking place.
I'm also trying to avoid the revival spoilers thread, but this thread is beginning to feel a little lonely so I don't know how much longer I will last. We need to start a spoiler-free support group! :-)
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I am doing a re-watch, and I just watched 'Paris is Burning' in season 1. This might sound silly, but it really bothered me that Lorelai forced Rory to answer the door when Max came to pick her up. Rory pleaded and begged her not to have to see him, said she was uncomfortable, said they had a mom-daughter deal that she wouldn't be there when he arrived, said Lorelai was breaking the rules, etc, and Lorelai's response was to say, well, just this once because I'm not completely ready for the date. Seriously?! Why would a mom put her kid in that situation, especially over something as mortifying as dating her teacher?! I think this is the first time in the series that I can recall thinking that Lorelai was selfish. I don't know why it bothered me so much!
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Yanic has been posting lots of great pics of himself with fellow GG cast members on his instagram. His latest post is with Melissa at dinner, and people went insane because they assumed that they had come from set together. His caption on the picture was that people shouldn't read too much into things (he probably wrote that because the comments were full of people freaking out). I am beginning to think that Melissa will return to the revival, but that they may keep it under wraps strategically so the news doesn't conflict with her press for Ghostbusters and Boss. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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I’m a little bothered that, once again, people are making Fuhrman out to be the bad guy, when OJ is the [acquitted] murderer.
Well...he is a bad guy. OJ's horrific, disgusting crime does not absolve Fuhrman from being a racist.
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Haha I was gonna say, he's a movie star, he's not gonna do Gilmore Girls...
Haha, that is far more mature than my response was going to be (something about how hot he is, lol). Maybe Lauren could convince him to make a cameo since she shares the Parenthood connection! Far-fetched, I know.
On a positive note, a casting like that would make the show more diverse, and that is always a good thing. It would also add to the realism of Rory being exposed to more of the world and meeting different types of people outside of SH and Yale. It would be interesting if Rory met someone while traveling for her job who shares her worldly aspirations but also honestly appreciates her small town roots. I am doing a series re-watch, and I just watched the episode where Dean and Luke argue outside of the Twickam (sp?) house. I think that Dean was only half correct with his point that neither he nor Luke would ever be "enough" for Rory and Lorelai. I think that Lorelai and Luke have so much identity "as the town" that they are perfectly suited to run small businesses and truly be content in SH. However, I think that it is true that Rory wants more than a basic SH life from what we know of her character. I feel like Rory should end up with someone who will stretch her intellectually, challenge her and broaden her worldview (all things I think her character was written to want in her long-term partner). I don't think that any of the known boyfriends could do that AND also truly appreciate her devotion to SH. I think that Dean was written down as the series went on, Jess is doing well with his new life in Philidelphia and Logan dealt with SH because he had to but perhaps would never chose that life otherwise. I am becoming more and more interested to see ASP's vision for Rory's partner in the new episodes.
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She's often in roles as the sweet, funny and generous best friend, and probably been relegated to cheerful IRL, as is almost always the case with anyone in entertainment who is overweight. But that's no reason to think she's the selfless-friend-of-Lorelai type in actuality, and she's not in the position of needing to be grateful for ASP's interest if she really didn't/isn't feeling it. To me, MM comes across as very grounded and genuinely hilarious, but other than that, who knows?
I listened to an interview that Lauren did on the Nerdist podcast, and she said that when she saw Bridesmaids she actually felt a little sad because only then did she truly realize that MM had never been able to show her true talent on GG (or something like that). After hearing her comments, I wondered if MM would view the revival as regressing back to a place where she wasn't artistically happy. However, after her tweet yesterday I just don't know what to think!
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Yeah, Amy has no drive when it comes to getting these things done and she has special snowflake syndrome. We've seen that over the years.
It's bugged me throughout the years and at ATX, she's always made comments like "if Warner Bros wants to do it" and "if they approach me about it". And now "but if her people called me up". No one is going to approach you about anything unless you go out of your way and keep trying. Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell wanted a VM movie, so they made it happen themselves. And if she had the same level of commitment we would've gotten a continuation years ago.
Does she really expect Melissa's agents to ring her up one day on their own volition and say "she's available on this day"? That's the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard.
If you read Scott Patterson's interview (linked a page or two back), he finally admitted that he said that "something was in the works" when asked about the revival early last year to stir things up and get things moving along.
Actual interview text:
"IBT: That’s amazing! You were the first one to speak about a potential revival and I was curious if Amy gave you a hard time for spilling that secret.
Patterson: Here’s the thing … I did a podcast and I was jut responding to a question that I always get and since the show has ended I always get these questions about a reboot. I always heard something, I heard there was something afoot, there’s always some rumor going around. And then I went and shot off my big mouth during a podcast. It was just sort of an innocent statement that I made. But everything grew from [the podcast] — it went viral! It caught us all by surprise over here. That just goes to show how rapidly the fans want a reboot.
IBT: I was wondering if that comment had anything to do with Netflix and Warner Brothers pushing the reboot.
Patterson: I was actually kind of sick of hearing about rumors. And I was like, “It’s time. Let’s go!” So I think I tried to move the ball forward a little bit.
IBT: It sounds to me like you spearheaded the “Gilmore Girls” reboot. You are the champion of your fans!
Patterson: You know, they were the champions of the show. So I tried to start a little fire and it ignited into this whole thing."
Perhaps ASP really was dragging her feet and SP finally took matters into his own hands? Kind of ballsy if this is true!
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Do I have this right? (Going by character names to make it easier).
Confirmed: Lorelai, Luke, Rory, Emily, Paris, Lane, Michel, Gypsy, Kirk, Christopher (I think DS stated on social media that "Dad" would make an appearance)
Probably In: Finn
Would Like To Return, But No Confirmation: Jess, Doyle, Logan
Probably Out: Sookie
Milo Ventimiglia tweeted a photo of a few flesh-coloured briefs at NBC and 20th Century Fox about "Amazing wardrobe choices" for "Day 1/Scene 1." I assume this is in reference to his new show. When user emilyfrosts tweeted in what I assume was meant to be a joke "Jess' wardrobe for revival #confirmed," Ventimiglia tweeted back "Nope. Not yet"...for whatever that's worth.
To add one more:
Would Like to Return, But No Confirmation: Jackson, via the Gilmore Guys podcast. Now with all of the Sookie drama I wonder if he will be a sad omission by necessity?
Also...
Any word on Taylor, Babette, Miss Patty or Morey?
Does ASP have major ego issues where she cannot ask an actor to return to a series?
I hate to say it, but this is what I am wondering as well. I watched an interview Melissa did during promotion for "Spy" that was just before the ATX festival. She said something like, "oh yes, I heard that they are doing a reunion...good for them" when she was asked directly about Gilmore Girls. Very detached. She had a very neutral tone and at the time I assumed it was because she really wanted to focus on Spy and not distract the interview with GG discussion. Now I wonder if there was a deeper issue.
Dang it, do not bring drama to my happy, stress-free show!!! Can you imagine if twitter was around when ASP was booted before Season 7? Yikes.
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Amy Sherman-Palladino interview
These interviews are making me so excited! I also just saw that Michel is returning (via Yanic's instagram)!
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I just had a thought for a possible plot line in the revival: I wonder if Emily will move in with Lorelai to cope with the loss of Richard? I could imagine a plot line of her temporarily living in Stars Hollow in the immediate aftermath of Richard's death. That would definitely be a way to bring everyone together and get some interaction between the townies and Emily.
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I'm just starting to watch this show on Amazon Prime (and have no one to discuss it with), so I'm stopping here to say that Kim Bauer is THE WORST. IN EVERY WAY.
That's all.
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Also, none of the actors have signed up for the reboot yet. As far as we know, the main four - Lauren, Alexis, Kelly and Scott - are the only ones in negotiations.
As an update to this, I just read that Milo posted on his facebook page that he told Amy and Dan that he would do the reboot. He said that he got an email about it from the show's producers and told them at that point that he was in. I don't know if he has actually signed on the dotted line or if it was a more informal commitment, but I am guessing that either way he will be on board.
ETA: I just watched an interview he did at Wizard World Comic Con and he said he will likely know for sure by January or so.
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in 2021 Olympic Games
That is an interesting point. Simone posted on IG calling Jordan her best friend last week, so it seems to be reciprocated. However, I agree with the point about the seating order. I wonder if Simone and Mykayla were just in a different/ more intense headspace overall than the rest of the team? We know Simone had a rough week, and to me Mykayla seemed very stressed overall. I always remember that, sadly, their experiences in gymnastics will always be different than their younger teammates coming through the system now.