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On 2/7/2020 at 6:28 PM, Lemuria said:
So, it wasn't a sacrifice, it was reparations. It was cleaning up his mess. It was something that Sam owed the world.
Just MO. YMMV.
And what about Dean? He owes nothing to the world? He broke the first seal, without that event nothing would have happened and Ruby would have had no reason to fool Sam (and supernatural would be over)
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On 2/5/2020 at 6:58 AM, ahrtee said:
I wasn't heroic enough to stop myself from doing bad things when I was drinking demon blood
How many and what bad things did he do while drinking demon blood? I remember him killing an innocent nurse, and that was really bad, but I don't remember other bad things
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10 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:
There is a difference between a few details told in one or two scenes of a couple episodes, and a story with a through-line told over seasons and still being recognized today. We had multiple images of Sam burning and cut/bleeding in his hellucinations, we had Lucifer taunting him in episode after episode. We had Death and Castiel telling us how shredded and damaged his soul was, so much so that the memories of it would kill him. Just because Sam never said the words in specific detail, doesn't mean we weren't told the story, time and again. Then when Sam had to return to the cage in S11, we were both shown and told how hard it was for him. Even then they didn't acknowledge that Dean had ever been there. And generally when it has been mentioned, it was only to tell us how Sam had it so much worse. And they freaking made Dean say it. Contrast that with Sam basically saying Dean was weak and whiny and should get the fuck over it.
So we saw 2 images of Sam burning and cut/bleeding (they've been using Always the same images), we know he was tortured but not details of it, we know that his saul was wrecked and that's more of what we know about Dean? I think I miss some details, I've Always heard the same words and seen the same images. Sam had it worse but this doesn't belittle Dean's pain, I don't understand why you all are so worried about this.
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3 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:
I don't care who was doing the talking, it was the writers minimizing it. Sam didn't have to talk about his experience - everyone else did. They showed us, for the better part of seasons 6 & 7, and many times afterward. His connection/trauma with Lucifer continued right up through last season. They couldn't even give Dean one single line when he was forced to return to Hell to rescue Sam in S11. We got a look of hesitation from Dean because Jensen, again, had to find what wasn't on the page.
So yeah, if you know more about Dean's experience and trauma than Sam's, I'd like to watch that show.
Can you tell me what really happened to Sam while he was in the cage and when this is said? I really don't remember but I remember what happened to Dean because he told it to Sam: for the first 30 years every day he was ripped apart and then healed so that Alastair could start again the day after. The last 10 years Dean became the torturer. I don't know anything so specific about Sam. The qualities of Dean as torturer are then recalled several times over the seasons
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3 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:
Not to mention 40 years of being tortured in Hell (as far as I'm concerned, the last ten were torture for him, too) that he remembers every minute of. One of the things I hate the most about what they've done to Dean is the glossing over/minimizing of this, especially when they do it by comparing it to Sam's time in the cage.
Dean was the first to minimize it: in swang song he said to Sam "Compared to yours, my hell will look like Graceland". Dean was tortured for 30 years, Sam I think for more than 120. I don't remember Sam talking a lot about his experience, I know more about Dean's one
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3 hours ago, ILoveReading said:
I mean Dean's connection to Amara was back burnered and never really developed. The connection never really explained, but now that its Sam its been dealt with in almost every episode.
We had a Whole season about Dean and Amara
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10 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:
Did you miss the part where Dean killed the monster, and the guy controlling it, and saved Lee's future victims? You know, the family business. It is weird (poor writing) that Dean wouldnt have called along the way home* considering he did say he got the messages, but he was far from useless. They have always worked cases concurrent to the mytharc, so it wasn't total fan service, IMO.
*especially when he was in Texas - he had hours on the to Lebanon.
ETA: I guess it could be head canoned that he had called and knew Sam was awake/recovering, and was just asking if he was still okay when he reached the bunker, the 'still' being implied.
He didn't call as when he came into the bunker he said to Cas "I've got your message"
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I hope that after this episode Dean will be useful again. At least Sam, Cas and Eileen tried to do something but we needed to see Jensen singing and that's it. It was the most useless episode of the year if not for the fanservice but it's the last season and we need something more. Dean was so worried about his brother that he even didn't make a phone call while driving back home to know how Sam was. That's being said, I liked the song they sang, Jensen is a good singer and I loved the duet
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“Bitch” Vs. “Jerk”: Where We Discuss Who The Writers Screwed This Week/Season/Ever
in Supernatural
This is so sad. They make me hate the show that I loved so much.