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There was a part of me that was hoping at first that it was a whole setup that Steffy, Liam and Hope were in on together—staging the kiss and fight for Thomas’ benefit. Why? I don’t know... to set Thomas up somehow? A plaaaaan of sorts? It makes no sense, but nothing on this show does, and this would be a different story, so... you know what, I’m just going to pretend that’s what happened and go with it. weren’t Steffy and Liam aware that Hope was coming over? I almost never knock on my family members’ doors when they know I’m on my way. And for all we know, she did, and came around back when there was no answer. I think it’s the back? Maybe? I need a floor plan of Steffy’s house. The only thing that would’ve made it better was if he got some early 2000s-era DOOL-style soliloquies while he was watching. So ridiculous.

I mean, they’re paying HT and DD regardless, right? They might as well use them. I may not always love Bill, Katie, Liam or Wyatt, but in a contest between watching Spencers or Ridge and his progeny, there’s no contest. I’m still annoyed we didn’t get to see Brooke and/or Bill host a giant Christmas celebration for the blended Logan/Spencer clan, while Liam’s rapist hosted a sad, pathetic one for Ridge, Thomas and... maybe Steffy? (Though I feel she would’ve pulled one of her “Kelly and I are having a solo celebration” stances... though this time, I wouldn’t blame her). If Liam wants Thomas out of Hope’s life, maybe he should get back with Steffy, but give her the same ultimatum. Steffy would fire Thomas so fast (or banish him to Forrester International). I really hate Steffy’s front door. That’s all I have to say about today’s show. That and do they really expect us to believe Steffy’s multimillion dollar home has a chain link fence?

Oh god, can you imagine ridge’s smug sanctimony? Literally the worst. I think about this every episode. We’d also be watching Thomas vs Ridge in a spectra vs. FC showdown and there’d actually be a side in that fight I could root for. I’d love for him to pull this one out during one of Thomas or Ridge’s endless speeches over how he needs to be with Steffy and Kelly. Oh, now that she’s not Phoebe, I’m sure Ridge doesn’t really care for that one, just like her mother. On the one hand, anyone proposing to me with conditions would be an automatic no, on principal. On the other hand, Liam is... not wrong about Thomas. So... can we just skip forward to the part where Liam moves into Bill and Katie’s enormous house, and he relays everything to Katie so I can get to see HT’s hilarious WTF bitchfaces while Liam and Katie eat ice cream on the couch? And then Bill and Will can come home, and Liam can teach Will terms like “corporate responsibility” and “sustainability” while Bill blusters and DD and SC improv a conversation about anything but the Forresters?

Hope gives wedding ultimatums. She doesn’t adhere to them. Still a better proposal than sticking another woman’s still-warm ring on her stepsister’s finger though. I’m not particularly bothered by Liam not running to Bill precisely because Bill would murder Thomas. While Liam wouldn’t shed any tears if Thomas died, I’d think he’d have a real problem with a) indirectly being responsible for it, and b) what that would do to Bill (Bill, obviously, would sleep like a baby, but I’m sure Liam would have fears and worries about Bill’s soul and shit). What I do have a problem with is Liam and Wyatt would obviously have had one of their “OMG, can you believe what Thomas did now?” gossip sessions by now, and Wyatt would hightail it over to Bill’s to spill the beans because he clearly has no moral compass.

If this isn’t a dream sequence, it’s absolute bullshit if Liam hadn’t turned his recorder on before he entered the room. He’s one of two characters who are consistently shown to have something of a brain in his head. Also, after he wound Thomas up, he was way too quiet while Thomas kept on going and going and going. Liam’s an interrupter, but this time he just let Thomas ramble, except for a couple of well placed comments to egg him on? Come on. That shit is replacing the music for the HFTF line at the fashion show (or maybe he’ll wait for when Thomas is declared the winner and is triumphantly kissing Zoe on stage in the showstopper while Ridge is speechifying about his well adjusted son, I don’t know. Either way, it would be the perfect callback to the start of Liam’s relationship with Hope. Then Bill can drop a building on Thomas. One thing I am liking is the way show has developed Steffy and Brooke’s interactions (even though it took them for frigging ever to finally have a conversation about Thomas). They’re not friends, but they’re not enemies. It’s complicated, and sometimes they agree and sometimes they think the other is just the worst, but in the hands of better writers it could be the most interesting relationship on the show. Quinn can die in that fire any day now. I’m so over her lording around Forrester making snarky comments about anyone needing to just get over vicious crimes that were perpetrated against them.

The saddest part of Thomas’ dream was that it clearly happened well into the future. So... his fantasy is years of being with Hope with Brooke bitching about it until she finally kicks the bucket? Dream bigger, dude. So, the faces JMW was making whenever Zoe said something were wholly inappropriate if she was trying to portray a mother grieving having to give up her child and finally coming face to face with one of the people who perpetuated the lie... but I don’t care, she cracked me up. It makes no fucking sense story-wise, but every eye roll was just like, “yep, Steffy, I totally feel ya, that’s exactly what I’m thinking, too!” i really enjoy how Liam can just decide who to hire at Forrester Creations. And by really enjoy I mean do not enjoy at all. Why couldn’t Liam just say, “If co-CEO Steffy over here won’t give you a job somewhere in international where she never has to run into you ever again, I, editor in chief of Eye on Fashion, will hook you up with a job with literally any other fashion house”? You would think Zoe would prefer that anyway since she could legitimately start over fresh.

Fair enough lol... I wish Liam were a nastier person because Bill gave him back eye on fashion, right? He should be plastering the site with all sorts of headlines about Thomas. I don’t understand how we don’t have a scene of Bill and Liam brainstorming ideas, and Wyatt coming up with the hashtags. You know Thomas is crazy because in his dream, Ridge was apparently still alive and Thomas thinks that fucker would just let him have the Forrester estate instead of lording over it himself.

The same could be said about Liam. I believe Ridge mentioned that he’s “designing” and that he “apologized” without considering that apologies don’t mean anything when you break down in a snit when people don’t accept the apology on your timetable. Yup. As soon as Steffy said (not in so many words because god forbid she agree with a Logan) that her interpretation of events is much closer to Brooke’s than Ridge’s he, too, got himself into a little snit. My favorite part was she wasn’t angry or screaming, it was just this quiet forcefulness, with a side of sass. Between “who, by the way, you kept hidden from me” when talking about Beth, and Steffy looking at Ridge like he was a moron when she correctly identified Thomas as having an obsession, I was so here for the sass today. And it didn’t even come from the brothers Spencer (whom I was still glad to see sharing scenes together considering their scenes are the only times Wyatt doesn’t annoy me these days). Eh, I’m kinda on Steffy’s side here. I’m fully supportive of Hope going back to work whenever she’s ready, but going back to work at this point means finding a designer you love who is a great culture fit for you. And you shouldn’t put that on some ridiculous showdown timetable. Like, actually take a minute to plan your line and have a brand strategy, maybe? That’s apparently what Steffy and Sally have been doing (not that we’ve gotten any scenes of that because god forbid we get a day without everyone talking about Thomas) so let them launch their line, and in a few months when you’re ready, launch HFTF.

So fucking noble of Ridge to want to preserve the love he and Brooke have by getting a divorce without bothering to tell her he’s been cheating on her for weeks. I’m honestly a little surprised Eric didn’t tell her. He definitely likes Brooke better than Ridge... I’m going to assume he’s keeping to the code of cheating assholes, and it’s not that he kept quiet out of any particular love or loyalty for Ridge. Ridge and Steffy really are idiots (and terrible CEOs). Even if they truly think Thomas is cured (which Steffy clearly doesn’t) they know what a clusterfuck Thomas and hope working together could be and the way it is likely to blow up in the future. You want Thomas to design? Fine. Put him on another line. Any other line. But don’t set up a line you’re investing money in to fail.

Watching a rapist and a babystealer holding court in the Forrester living room looking down on the mother of one of their victims is infuriating. All I wanted was for Pam to waltz in, get apoplectic and introduce the pair to her friend, the bear. Brooke, sign the divorce papers. Hopefully you guys didn’t sign a pre-nup so you can take 10% of Forrester Creations while you’re at it. This hot mess is not worth it. Speaking of, I would be so on board with Brooke taking that 10% igniting Thomas’ stupid ass “must rid FC of the Logans plan” to which Brooke finally loses her shit and blackmails Steffy into selling Brooke her shares or else she’ll tip the police off to Taylor’s murder attempt. Then rick could come back, letting everyone know that his dad gifted him 5% a la Ridge/Thomas, so ps, the Logans own the majority of FC. I really wish that someone would take Ridge to task for being a terrible father. Like, don’t get help for Thomas to save your marriage or to save Hope from her own stupidity of letting Thomas back in her life. Get help for Thomas because he’s your goddamn son and you want him to live a happy and healthy life. Sticking your head in the sand now is being a way worse father than any so-called abandonment in thomas’ younger years. But Brooke will never say that... it’d probably have to be a Spencer. I know she’s not going to last, but disinterestedly disdainful Steffy might be my favorite Steffy. If she gets more scenes where she says “You know she doesn’t like you, right?” To Thomas while barely looking up from her paperwork, channeling her inner seventh grade mean girl (let’s be real, she doesn’t have to reach too far down for that), I’d be OK with that. (Of course, what I’d really like to see is her actually going to Hope one of these times and saying, “Hey, I just had this concerning conversation with my brother about you that I think you should know about.” Instead, we’ll probably get a scene where she and Liam bond over how they just can’t believe why Hope doesn’t see what Thomas is doing, can you believe her?)

I just binged about a month and a half of this show and... I do not recommend it. literally, the only thing worth watching was the episode when Brooke took off her rings. She DRAMATICALLY tells Ridge that he’s looking at her like Stephanie used to and tells him to say it: “No slut from the valley is worthy of raising a Forrester.” And then the camera DRAMATICALLY cuts to Ridge. And that’s clearly where the scene was supposed to cut, but Scott Clifton, god bless him, forces them to add in his reaction when he gets this “oh shit” look on his face, mouths “oh my...” physically turns his body so he’s staring at the wall and leans into Hope, and just has this look on his face, like, “I am so uncomfortable right now. Can I... can I just hide in Hope’s hair?” It was full on Dillon Quartermaine, and I love him for it. I literally watched it 30 times. Can Scott Clifton just be in the background of every scene with no lines? Between that, his moonwalk out of Brooke’s house the day the Logans thought Hope dissolved Thomas and were being weirdly tense and quiet, and his expression every time Ridge said “hope stole Douglas” he was basically the only thing worth watching. I even forgive him for his WTF faces when Hope rightly told him to be clear with Steffy once and for all about who he wanted to be with, because I interpret that as SC’s reaction that they were actually doing this story again and not Liam’s. Ridge can die in a fire anytime now. The only good thing is with Liam back at Spencer Publications with his relationship with his dad back on track, we can finally get the Kelly reveal.

He can take some responsibility, I think. Hope and Liam had actually talked through their problems and were in a good place when Thomas manipulated Liam’s trip to Paris, and then slowly chipped away at Hope’s confidence so that she wanted the annulment. Ultimately, it was on her, but while Hope May have set the fire, Thomas was egging her on, handing her the match. I also don’t know that it’s accurate to call Liam waffling this time around. He and Steffy had sex when he was unable to give consent, and afterwards, everything in his tone, facial expression and actions said he didn’t want her and wasn’t with her. Katie. But the point still stands. Regarding The Who owns the house conversation, I find it hard to believe Ridge and Brooke don’t have a prenup. Destiny blah blah blah, but they’ve both been married enough times to get things happen, and also, no way in hell Ridge isn’t protecting his 20% of FC should they get divorced. i also find it hard to believe that Katie, who 100% agrees with Brooke on everything but also doesn’t want to see Brooke lose her marriage, wouldn’t whip out her phone and call Karen, who has been pretty consistent in being Katie’s ally, right then and there to get her to take over the Thomas/Douglas situation. Karen has more standing than Brooke, and then Brooke’s hands are clean. Hell, even if Karen can’t take in Douglas at the moment because she’s secretly nursing her daughter back to health and doesn’t want anyone to know, her backing her nephew Liam in his claim for custody would help a lot.

Although Steffy and Eric together own 75% of FC, so if anyone should leave (I can only imagine Eric would be Team Brooke & Steffy over Team Ridge) it should be Ridge/Thomas. I shudder to think what that company name should be though. Because the Bells haven’t bought a house recently to use for the exterior shot? I don’t know how Katie managed to get her house. “My main priority is my son.” Record that shit and send it to Steffy, Brooke. Let Ridge see what his little girl can do with a tire iron. But also, Ridge. STFU. “We have to help him?” Hope, Liam and Steffy are his victims. The onus is never on the victim to “help” the person who committed a crime against them. Thanks for playing, though.

Ridge does not get to say another word to Shawna ever. What he’s doing for Thomas? Is the exact same thing. Can someone also please explain to me how the person the police call to get the victims’ blessing to drop charges in a Logan/Spencer kidnapping is an effing Forrester? I hope Ridge makes this deal, and I hope the Spencers and Logans raise holy hell about Flo getting out, and I hope Bill runs story after story after story about Thomas’ involvement in Emma’s death every damn day. I hope he interviews Flo and Xander and the janitor working at FC that night Thomas fought with Emma, and those video interviews play in every streaming platform there is. And I hope literally everyone crucifies Ridge for his cowardice. (Side note: it’s pretty much unbelievable that Bill hasn’t already done this, right?) So Steffy finally showed up. It’s been beyond ridiculous that she hasn’t been part of this story or had any sort of point of view since she gave Beth up. She is still supposed to be one of the show’s leading ladies, right? Regardless, I think JMW does better with anger than sadness, so while some parts of today were laughable, it was better than her last scenes. I thoroughly enjoyed parts of her takedown, and I’m glad that she showed anger for both herself and for Hope . And I’m so ready for the Co-CEO Steffy fires Thomas’ ass, and CO-CEO Ridge tries to condescendingly tell her he’s really the CEO and Thomas is staying where he is storyline. Anything, really, to get back to the fashion. Also, I’m pleased to see that the return of baby Beth has now resulted in five Hope outfits in a row that I haven’t hated.

Because it really cannot be said enough. Thomas may be Liam’s rapist by proxy, but she’s his actual rapist. She had no business being at that celebration. To be fair, Eric has always liked and respected Brooke more than any of his family members (not that I particularly blame him for that). And engaged to/possibly living with (but we’d never know it because they haven’t been seen in weeks) Katie! Who was there! I mean, not even a line of “Bill went to Tokyo on business, and he’s on the flight back, and I haven’t been able to reach him”? How can Katie know and Bill not? Apparently, Beth’s superpower is influencing her mom to wear better clothes. This is two outfits in a row I haven’t hated, which is maybe a first since AN came on board. Hold up! Thomas actually told his drug dealer the truth? And not some vague “my wife kicked me out because women be crazy” excuse? Why didn’t we get to hear that conversation? So... on Wednesday the Logan sisters wear pink? Lizzie is getting the Kelly treatment. “My mother’s namesake...” She has two, Brooke. Or are we pretending Lizzie/Maya don’t exist now? Are we still pretending they live in that house? Did Thomas murder them too? (He was the last person to mention them...)