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1 hour ago, ruby24 said:
I don't think they do the plot with John and Hal, but they HAVE to do the Claire/John marriage and affair, right? That's basically the one thing I really remember from this book!
I forgot it didn't happen until closer to the end. I have to admit, I don't remember a lot of the war stuff. Watching it on the show, I've been like, when was all this? I remember Jamie and Claire spending a significant amount of time on a ship though- was that when they went back to Scotland?
There was a bunch of ships situations from the end of ABOSAA & in Echo, but luckily they cut the one set of shenanigans while they were on their way to NY & Ticonderoga.
5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:Can you refresh my memory aboot the Greys? My mind is all fuzzy and I remember just burning through the buiks after the first season while undergoing chemo tae boot.
And I still remain miffed at why Roberts and company feel the series should end tae match up with the buiks. Should just end it as 8 did. That way we would get more breathing room and things that make sense. I just rewatched Season 1 and started to reread the buik, and while scenes and dialogue were out of order, SO MUCH of it was put in the show.
It’s just laziness. And thanks for correcting me that Claire did indeed go tae Scotland. I wonder if Stephen Cree will return? We know Laura won’t. Which is a bummer. I can’t imagine anyone else playing Jenny and her chemistry with Sam was amazing.
Off tae watching the finale now.
These last few seasons have had more dialogue directly from the book & plot points in order than from some of the previous seasons. I think this season especially has benefitted from the huge pare down that those books require. Admittedly it might be harder for non readers to have enough information about a situation to completely understand why/who/what.
The whole Grey family plays huge roles in the last 3 books!
Steven Cree is returning as Ian, Jenny has been recast!
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I just rewatched with my hubby, who has not read the books, and he said this episode was the best one of the season so far…time travel, kidnapping, war, cliffhangers!
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15 hours ago, mythoughtis said:
It’s possible that Bree’s question to Buck about his thoughts while touching the stone is important- or it’s just something that an experienced time traveler would be curious about.
Buck may or may not know the answer to the question. If he didn’t intend to travel, any thoughts he had at the time may have been forgotten due to the ‘what the what just happened’ effect. I’m not sure Claire ever said what she was thinking about that first time. She had been discussing BJR with Frank earlier, but she supposedly drove to the stones to collect flowers. She was also probably curious about the buzzing. Our assumption is that she was directed to BJR ‘s location 203( is that right?) years in the past.Buck could have been simply thinking about his unknown future descendants and just ended up 203 years later where one was.
It’s 202 years for most people ( Claire, Bree, Roger) but not Geillis.
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On 7/30/2023 at 7:09 PM, Haleth said:
Ok, when did Jaime and Claire become the least interesting part of the show? I was more interested in the 20th c, well, except for the sex. I was riveted by the scenes with Buck. He certainly adapted well to the marvels around him to the point he could pass for a modern guy. Loved Rik Rankin's growing impatience/jitters with Rob sitting at the table while Buck was in the pantry. I also enjoyed the William scenes And of course the brief (don't blink) glimpse of Ian. My world has gone topsy turvy.
I was thankfully distracted by the yellow floral sheets. I remember that exact pattern.
I watched with my bff & she so wants those sheets!
I distinctly remember that in this book the 1980’s were more interesting than the 1770’s.
I ♥️ William!
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2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
Hmmm. Who was it that said Show gives the characters from the buiks a more "mutlifaceted" characterization? Seems tae me, it's only done for the villians and arseholes, because ye ken, we MUST see they're no' ALL bad! there's a REASON!😒
It was me! They have certainly cleaned up Book Jamie but I love TVJamie so no complaints from me!
They have downplayed any physical handicaps, & made miraculous recovery from all injuries, which I expect to continue ( the exception was Fergus’ hand). I think this was necessary from an aesthetic point of view, & for makeup work, & filming. I think they figured that out from Jamie’s back scars ( which were totally necessary to the whole story)- too much time & work. But Roger’s scar, & Voice problems moving forward should have been more necessary as well.
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On 7/22/2023 at 9:59 AM, nodorothyparker said:
So now that I've had a chance to marinate on it a bit, I'm laughing that Claire, who we're told in the books at least skimmed the Scottish, English, and even French history she'd be going back to but not American because why would they ever go there? and thus bases most of her Revolution knowledge on elementary school homework and coloring sheets, can suddenly tell us that Saratoga is the "turning point that brings the French into the war." I doubt many Americans could tell you that off the tops of our heads without looking it up. Again, it must be seriously aggravating to be Jamie or Ian and have this and formerly Roger and Bree be the sum total of their foreknowledge of the future to try to make decisions by. IIRC we should be seeing Benedict Arnold likely as soon as next episode so Claire can tell Jamie oh yeah, he commits such a spectacular act of treason that his name is still shorthand for it 200 years later. But sorry, no, I don't remember what that treason actually was so you can watch yourself around him.
Another episode made up of a lot of stuff I would have thought probably would have been cut or seriously condensed. But very well done so I'm not complaining. At this point, I can only chalk Jamie up to wanting to stay and fight past his obligation to wanting to be on the winning side for once. He has to know from the tragedy of the first couple of seasons that history is going to happen the way it does no matter what he does or whether he's there or not.
I really enjoyed all the meetups in the fort between William, Claire, and Ian. It's not going to get any easier from here as you unknowingly get more and more entangled with your blood family, kid, so buckle up. And we got the prerequisite cameos from Brigadier Simon Fraser and Daniel Morgan, so that's about to happen too. The show has handled William obviously being played by a separate actor who bears a decent resemblance but isn't the book dead ringer for Jamie pretty well in that characters recognizing him still feels pretty naturally played and less a hamfisted "oh hey there, Jamie's secret son" than I was fearing from earlier changes. I understand that it's a production issue of where to set the explosives, but it kind of undercut the cool visual of Jamie so fiercely firing flaming arrows while his son looked on horrified at the result to see the apparent same charge being hit over and over with otherwise very little damage.
While I'm guessing the show probably didn't want to have to give another actor elaborate scars or the actor spending the rest of the show's run doing every line in what the books describe as a hoarse cracked voice, the end result has been Roger feeling like almost like a layabout house husband in the '80s story instead of a man who's really struggling with explaining away the physical changes from the past in the modern world where most people don't walk around with visible noose scars and just doesn't feel like he fits in his own time anymore. The Gaelic class was really lovely and looks like a viable path forward. But dude. Seriously? The guy just admitted to reading your "science fiction." You know how he hazed Bree. But you're still going to take his word for it that it's all good now and let him strongarm you into inviting him back to the house for dinner without even checking first?
Speaking to Claire not knowing much American history, Bree was there for like 5/6 years so she must have told Jamie a bit about the war, the battles & how long is goes on for before she left? Although at that point the Frasers were going to stay on the ridge & try to avoid it, so they had no idea they'd be in those northern battles?
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34 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:
BJR cared about his younger brother Alexander (and essentially no one else). And he was self aware of how vile he was.
He does have self awareness but still YIKES!
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I think the show does a great job of trying to show all angles to a character in a short amount of time. Every villian except perhaps BJR has been multifaceted.
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I loved this week!
Highlights : William “ your servant, madame”♥️♥️English officer “ the curly wig giving orders like a sargeant major”😂😂
Jamie “ tell me about my son” 😭😭
and Roger winning!
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12 hours ago, Anothermi said:
Absolutely! But I have to confess that I have been spoiled. The Covid gaps were too much for me, so I passed the time listening to the books. That may be why I'm liking this season. The stories are moving along like they were taken from a reasonably edited version of whatever tome we are on now. 😎
I'm sure I've forgotten at least 400 pages, but the show writers seem to be stitching everything together expertly. I can't remember enough of the audio books to write opinions from anything but what I am seeing here. It makes this season feel fresh and the plodding meandering that I felt listening to the books has become interesting and dissect-able.
I just started watching a week or two ago. Broke down and purchased a short subscribed to a streaming platform that offered a good deal (or so I thought), but airs everything on the Monday following the most recent airing.
Just one more sleep 'till I'm caught up. I like the casting decision on adult William. He comes across as a decent young man—which he should be given he was sired by Jamie and reared by John Gray! 😂
I was in the habit of reading the corresponding book after the season…until the extra long droughtlanders came in 2020.. now I have read them all☺️. I did prefer being surprised by the show ( rather than the books). Definately loving TVWilliam.
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3 hours ago, Anothermi said:
It's been a long time since I last posted here. Be warned, I like to dissect episodes (if they don't annoy me). It's been a long while since I've had anything to say about the last few seasons. 🙄
We welcome dissection! Are you enjoying this season more than the last few?
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I did enjoy Roger & Bree being in the 1900’s in the books, & now I am enjoying them in the show as well. They seem more natural!
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On 7/14/2023 at 4:28 PM, iMonrey said:
Is there some reason why the show is spending so much time on William? Does he go on to be the main character in the books or something? I cannot muster any interest in this little side story with him and the Quakers. It would be one thing if he were involved with Jamie and Claire but off on his own with other new characters I don't know or care about? Why?
I could not wait for grown William to interact with the Fraser’s, but I guess she ( the author) wanted us to see him get there….
It made sense for them to let us know already that Emily’s son was indeed Ian’s, as they did not know if they would be making any more seasons, & that is one tied up plot line.
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10 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
I think Claire destroyed it? My memory is fuzzy, but I thought I saw her do that?
A rewatch of 213 might be in order, not too hard as it’s one of my favourites!
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On 6/29/2023 at 10:30 AM, DoctorAtomic said:
I think that's what we were speculating at the time. Gellis alluded to it in the episode, but I don't recall anything specific and concrete established by the show. There's no instruction manual anywhere.
I certainly would welcome more discussion on the show, but they just aren't going to do that.
Geilis was actually writing an instruction manual, we saw that in 213, Claire took it.
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On 7/7/2023 at 5:50 PM, nodorothyparker said:
William doesn't remember meeting Ian on the Ridge before. Hee. We don't remember it either, William, since it's obviously the first of the retconning we're going to see with fixing all the stuff the show earlier left out.
I'm the weirdo who really likes the Dismal Swamp story and loves Ian and William together in all their messiness, so I was pleased with what we got. The whole conversation about having a good death song is straight off the page. I just wish they hadn't cut their meeting up with another group of Indians, prompting Ian to repeatedly refer to William as "cousin" in what William hazily thinks is odd but probably some kind of protective claiming of kinship while he's so very ill and vulnerable. In cutting it, the show loses yet another thing William will be so furious about later, that Ian knew and was telling him who they were to each other and he missed it.
I distinctly remember liking that part in the book, Ian calling him “cousin”. I don’t often care what gets cut, but This would have been good.
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Country Girl, I always appreciate your gifs!
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On 7/7/2023 at 12:06 PM, Hanahope said:
i forget, what was the mark on the wall in Lallybrook all about?
The mark was from episode 302 when the British redcoats were terrorizing Lallybroch residents about hiding the Dunbonnet (Jamie).
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On 7/7/2023 at 1:35 AM, Glade said:
This whole episode was a very unexpected diversion! The most unexpected part had to be that foray into horror film with the woman burned alive surrounded by cheering soldiers; I really hope there were actual consequences for that murder. I hadn't foreseen Ian/William making an interesting pairing out in the swamp, and Mary is very likeable and interesting, I agree! Rollo is so adorable, I'm glad we get a bit more of them. But it seems no one's inclined to tell Tom the truth about Allan, but maybe I would let it go as well, provided he didn't keep popping up every five minutes. I do hope we get the Scotland trip someday, though...
I guess Roger lost his tenure at Oxford and sees no path to restarting his academic career? The commute from Midhope Castle to The University of Edinburgh wouldn't be that bad, but maybe the fictional Lallybroch is supposed to be much more remote. Roger and Bri are not inclined to imagine that the so-called Nucklevalee (or whatever) may have been a sketchy intruder on the estate somewhere, which is shortsighted.
I was shocked that Claire did not tell Tom about Allan, but decided she decided to let him have some piece of mind, since he did after all save her.
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On 7/8/2023 at 3:32 PM, BitterApple said:
Agreed, right up there with, "I don't want to read all of Ma and Da's letters at once!." Um, NOBODY would do that. First off, you couldn't resist the curiosity and second, what if God forbid there was a house fire or flood or some other accident where they got destroyed? You'd have to go the rest of your life never knowing what happened. I understand the show is doing it because we need plot to unfold in both timelines, but it's not very realistic.
I'm confused as well. I guess you could argue Bree warning Jamie and Claire caused them to be aware and more careful, but that doesn't make much sense given the fire didn't happen in the month the newspaper claimed. I'm assuming Claire wrote the details in her letters, so Bree and Roger must've known the dates didn't match.
I understood that they wanted to savour the letters, & certainly since there is an end to them, they did not want to know if anything terrible happened? Or get to the end & be sad there is no more letters, assume they finally did die, because there is no more letters. But you are right the show is actually using them to tell the story…
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3 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:
David Berry and Sam Heughan favor, both have strong jaws and similar noses. But I think the writers and actors have done a good job demonstrating that William has traits of both Lord John (who raised him) and his biological father Jamie, which makes sense.
Also John and Jamie are alike in morals even though they come from different social spheres. Didn’t John try to save Claire from an assault as a young solider (it was a ruse she wasn’t really in danger) and that’s is why Jamie saves him, and thus his elder brother saved Jamie after Culloden.
That is a great point, my mind went directly to thinking that was a Jamie trait, but he got it from both nature & nurture! I liked that they showed that because show onlies need to like William immediately to care about him, & a lot of book lovers hate him.
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7 hours ago, taanja said:
How are they going to explain that gold?
Seems to me Scotland and/or the Scottish or English government would lay claim.
Why do we think that is was Joe (a character we met several season ago) that was going to not only operate on the baby but have money and bank accounts and documents for Roger and family.
All we saw before Bree and Roger left The Ridge was Claire saying she "might know someone" who can operate on the baby's heart. I don't remember this Joe guy ever mentioned. But whoa! He seems the miracle worker indeed!
Seems like we have to take a lot for granted or just 'assume' things happen in the book that they will NOT explain on the show.
We all met Joe in the show in season 3, he was Claire’s best friend, & fellow doctor! It has been awhile since season 3 though, so I am sure a lot of people would have preferred a better explanation.
6 hours ago, Ava said:How old are Jamie and Claire at this point? OOh, I love math! Claire was 27 when she went back to 1743 from 1945. Jamie was 5 years younger, so was 22. This is now 1776 and 33 years have passed, so Claire is now 60 years old and Jamie is 55.
Thanks, I was just about to answer this but kept on scrolling, every once in awhile they give us a clue. Jamie also turned 50 in episode 507.
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On 6/30/2023 at 8:23 AM, SassAndSnacks said:
Some Questions -
Is this season really THIS good, or is it just comparatively good because we've had a long hiatus from the show and Season 6 was pretty meh?
Do you ever wish you could approach this show with a fresh perspective? Generally, I love knowing the story ahead of time and seeing how it will be adapted and portrayed, but sometimes, I kinda miss that jolt I had during the pilot episode when I knew nothing of Outlander but thought the first sights of it were so compelling that I just HAD to read the books. Watching this
last nightearly this morning, particularly the confrontation of the Bugs, I found myself feeling that the this all escalated rather quickly! We've barely seen them and now they've stolen gold, hid it right there in a very conspicuous place, and now they're betraying the Frasers. It all seemed more plausible in the books because we see it play over time, but I felt kinda slapped with it last night, and I found myself wondering if non-book viewers got all of it and/or if it seemed abrupt to them too.Anyway, that's a lot of lead in to simply ask, do you ever wish you hadn't read the books first?
Did you catch Arch's Gaelic to Jamie? So good. Did you want him to be a little more choked up over his wife's death, because I did. I always picture him so incredibly menacing and dangerous. This Arch has been passive this whole time.
Was the mini ball in Jem's wooden chest the one that hits Claire in Monmouth or is it one of the golden balls that Jamie, Ian, and Claire melted down? When we see it early in the show, I immediately thought "Monmouth!" but then they show the "bullet making" so could it be that? Was that in the buik? That whole scene was wonderful. Speaking of Jem's chest, I love how they weave in these storylines. As soon as the delivery man placed the chest on the Manse's front stoop, I got a little lump in my throat.
Was it accurate for Roger and Bree to feel that they changed history? Because they didn't. Bree went back to her parents because she saw the obituary claiming a fire killed them. She made the matches that helped cause the fire. They didn't change history, they helped make history. The dates are insignificant, but I guess that was just in the buik, because the show smudged the date in the original obituary. Time travel and its consequences are confusing.
I love Jamie and Claire loving on Jamie and Claire, so I was all in for the entire hour. The quiet moments in this show have always been so strong. The flashback of them pounding in the property stake was so good and such a nice addition.
So far, my $20 STARZ subscription was money well spent!
I loved not having a clue what was coming when I watched the first 3 seasons. Then I was obsessed, & got spoiled on a few things, then I finally read ahead during Covid lockdowns, & long Droughtlanders. Sometimes I regret it, sometimes not. Last week, despite knowing so much, I was teary-eyed for most of the hour- I count that as an amazing episode. Last season, 606 should have been so much more shocking, but fell flat for me, with such knowledge.
This weeks highs: Jamie losing the house he built, but putting on a smile about building another one. I was so happy to see him find his kilt, & Claire her medical journal. Claire saying Jamie “ is always enough”. These two never fail to show how much they love each other, & I am here for it. Honorable mention: Roger teasing Bree about the matches. They reminded me of when they first met with the teasing! Of course Sassy is right, & Roger is wrong, Bree went to the past, created the matches, which started the fire, & it all turned out exactly how it was meant to be, even if the details seemed wrong ( because of the newspaper article).
This week’s low: Show onlies probably not understanding the gold storyline. And some of us wishing the show writers gave us Roger & Bree’s return to the 20th century with more details than Diana.
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On 6/30/2023 at 12:55 PM, Quickbeam said:
Sophie’s wig was all time bad. I did like the episode and the modern-ish time/revolutionary time contrasts.
Those bangs are pretty good for 1980😉!
Small Talk: Chewing The Haggis
in Outlander
You should go, if you would enjoy the people & the tour & if the budget works! I loved Scotland!