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The season premiere was really good. I am so glad that Eddie is gone, his stay was long past over. I wonder what Giselle is going to do at Empire going forward. The boys are definitely going through it, but I do wonder how much time Andre still has to do in prison? And Hakeem will hopefully heal from everything that's happened to him. The kids are adorable.
Tiana seems to be doing well, and now that they have the new baby, we will see her in mommy mode. Treasure is going to be an interesting character, and like someone said, she has the same range as Tiana, but Tiana has been at Empire, and Cookie and Lucious are taking on Treasure. It will be interesting going forward, but I am curious about who may have died, now, at the end. And I wonder who Diana was talking about burying one of their own? This premiere was great, and I look forward to next week.
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On May 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:
Yeah, my immediate thought was that there's a reason we didn't see the body. I think she either shipped herself off to rehab or someone did it for her. Probably someone who doesn't want to see her pull Jamal down to rock bottom with her.
I am stunned they killed off Anika. She's a legacy character for this show. Maybe the actress wanted out?
I think Grace Byers wanted to pursue other projects, which I can't wait to see, and I think she knew that while Anika was motivated by jealousy and spite to do the things she did, after Anika killed Andre and Rhonda's baby, and then Rhonda herself, she could no longer redeem herself; and even after she had Bella, she never really cared about her, and always used her as a pawn against Hakeem and the rest of the family, and that is why once she gained custody of Bella for a short time, Diana said, "It's good to see you among people of your stature." But it showed that she only cared about herself and not Bella. So Grace saw Anika's death as justice, for what she had previously done to the Lyons. But we will see what will happen, and see what her parents will decide to do when they find out their daughter is dead.
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I love all of the seasons, and now I know why. I definitely can't wait until fall. I loved this season finale, but was definitely saddened by Tori's death because she was a great friend and performer, as well as another confidant to Jamal. Seeing Anika die and receive her karma was satisfying, and I look forward to seeing Grace in other projects. And Rhonda coming back to finish the job, was also even more satisfying.
I am glad that Tiana came to her senses, and it seems as though Hakeem and Tiana will move forward together with Bella, and the new baby. I truly hope they are okay because we don't yet know if Tiana and Hakeem were hurt, and I hope they weren't, because I absolutely love them together.
I think Jamal getting away for a while will be good for him, to clear his mind, and begin to grieve for Tori. I look forward to seeing how Cookie and Lucious's marriage will work out, but Eddie and Giselle and all the others need to go, because the storyline is boring, and as for Tiana siding with Eddie, I think it's safe to say she's back siding with the Lyons, since she and Hakeem are back together for good.
Also, since Eddie acquired Empire from the Lyons, why did he look sad and guilty as they were taking down the Empire logo in the building?
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2 hours ago, Empress1 said:
She must have an excellent agent. She gets great billing and is, real talk, a completely unimportant character.
She probably does, I'm sure. But why do you think Tiana is an unimportant character?
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I am absolutely in love with this season.
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12 minutes ago, Margohill said:
Excellent episode. A step up from last week. The Empire writers have got their mojo back, thank Goodness. This is the kind of drama that catapulted Empire to higher heights and I don't need to explain that because the ratings speak for itself.
The hospital scene with Cookie being wheeled in really got me worried. Luscious screaming at the healthcare providers was typical. He was in just too much shock he didn't know how to contain himself so he had to take it out on Jesus! That was classic Luscious!
Jamal and Hakeem need to have several seats. How dare they drive Andre out of the room. It's his mother too. As someone said it above, the bomb in Vegas was meant for Lucious not for Cookie. Jamal better not forget that he kicked his own mother out of the house when he took over the company. That was evil of Jamal especially since Cookie had exhausted all her energy and time fighting to see him excel and that's how repaid her. As for Hakeem he went into a devilish pact with the evil Mrs. Dubois and that's how she got to all of them almost costing Andre's life. As for Lucious, I can only imagine how many lives he must have taken so they better spare me with their "holier than Andre' attitude. That was uncalled for.
Cookie and her sisters had some of the most hilarious scenes and I was shocked when her sister mentioned her mom! Cookie needed rest but having been in charge of the family for so long, I can understand how difficult it was for her when she was hit with that illness and got grounded. One of the most touching scenes was when she cried to Lucious about being afraid to die. That was Cookie at her FINEST. It's been a long time since Empire wrote a scene like this for Cookie. About time. Typical of Lucious to preach his love for Cookie only when she almost dies but he was convincing and for once I believed Lucious. He was very scared.
Becky's boyfriend is a really great guy. When he showed up at the clinic to support her, I was moved and hoped she would change her mind about the abortion. I hope she does.
Tiana and Eddy's business hook-up is still something I am interested to see how it will play out.
Andre outing Eddie to his parents was excellent. I thought for a moment that Eddie was going to deny it and was shocked he admitted it. I guess he knew Andre had him and he had no way out but to confess. When it comes to business savvy, no Lyon can beat Andre. He's smart, sharp, and pays attention to detail. Lucious has to be proud he has a son like Andre otherwise Eddie would have swiped Empire from them, easily.
The whole episode was superb. 9/10
........Next episode is father and son confrontation. Lucious finally meets with Andre one-on-one for a private chat....LOL!!!! About time. I can't wait. It's been a long time coming. Andre should have a long list of queries and Lucious better admit his faults because he has many and he has wronged his son in so many ways.
I agree with everything you said. With that being said, I was very upset with the way Jamal and Hakeem treated Andre, that's his mother, too. And they weren't quite angels themselves in previous seasons. Given the way Jamal treated Cookie after he started running the company in Season 2, and this is how he repaid her? And let's not forget Hakeem. While in Season 1, Hakeem wanted nothing to do with his mother after she came home, because he was so upset, I will give him a pass, but when they began building their relationship, and he was kidnapped, her heart would be ripped out if something happened to him, because she wanted so much to protect him. But they both should realize that if they're mother had passed away, none of them would get her back, especially Hakeem, and they would not know what to do. And as for Hakeem, if she had passed away, then Hakeem would have lost her twice.
What I mean by this is, Hakeem is the youngest, and while she was in prison, he did not get to see or know his mother, while before she was sent away, Andre and Jamal were older, and knew her well, while Hakeem was a baby and would not remember her. When she first came home, he wanted nothing to do with her, until the middle and end of the first season, when she tried to get to know him, as well as trying to discipline him; and of course, he was not receptive, nor did he want to listen to her; so she kept him at an arm's length, while trying to teach him that he should respect her, and Jamal told him, "How long did you think I would continue to let you disrespect our mother, when all she's trying to do is help you grow up." And, if they didn't start building their relationship in Season 2, I wonder where they would be now, because if she had passed away, he would not have her once again, and that would have been another wake up call for all of them. So both Jamal and Hakeem should both remember how they treated her, before they assume their "holier than thou" attitudes toward Andre, when it concerns their mother.
I truly hope Becky changes her mind about the abortion. And Hakeem and Tiana working together to help Cookie rest and feel better was sweet. The entire episode was so good, and I can't wait until next week. And I'm glad that Jamal has been there for Becky.
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14 hours ago, Empress1 said:
I mean, I get that we shouldn't try to kill people (ha), but if anyone deserves it, it's Lucious. Just because he's acting like a human being now doesn't mean he hasn't done some really, really foul shit to basically everyone he's ever known, including/especially his sons. Shutting Andre out feels like a plot hole to me in light of that.
The sisters are hilarious. ("Oh, you married a white woman?") I want to see their mother! Who should play her?
Their mother will be played by Alfre Woodard, we will meet her in episode 16.
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6 hours ago, Margohill said:
Excellent episode! These are the kinds of storylines that keeps me glued to Empire. Issues within the family and how they confront it and deal with it. That's how Empire began and hopefully this will continue. I wish this had been the opening episode of this second half. All that crap with Claudia adds nothing to this show.
Eddie becoming a backstabber to Empire comes as no surprise but I was still disappointed since he was once a great friend and confidant to Lucious. It's very eye-opening how success changes everything and friends you once trusted now become jealous and quickly become your enemies. Eddie doesn't realize that Lucious is a lot smarter than him. I feel that he will find out the hard way.
The trio singers were a real treat. I loved those girls even-though they didn't realise they were messing with the wrong people. The Lucious they knew back then is no longer the same person and they found out the hard way. I'm glad it all ended with Cocious taking things back in control.
The Lyon boys are a good support system to each other. I like that.
Becky breaking up with her boyfriend was totally ridiculous. Why couldn't she tell him exactly what was going on?
Tiana is as naïve as all these young girls who go into the music industry and get bamboozled by these industry moguls. Eddie thinks he can swipe her from Empire but we'll see if Tiana is a smart girl. Turning down Hakeem was not unexpected. I think she has a right to think about it because Hakeem still has a lot of growing up to do. That was wise but I'm worried about her being used by Eddie. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
Andre (my favorite) did the best thing by confessing. That will free him from all the demons that have been chasing him and send them over to haunt Lucious who now has to figure out what went so badly wrong with their boy that he would resort to such an evil plot. Well, I know very well why and the sooner the Lyons realize that they are all responsible (especially Lucious) for what Andre has become, the better for all of them to resolve this issue.
1. Andre was the 1st born who from a young age starting covering up for his father's criminal ways. (remember when he hid his father's gun when the police searched Lucious's house?) He must have been only 6-7yrs old at the time. That take's a toll on a child's psychology.
2. Andre was aware when his mother went to jail and probably knew why she was jailed.
3. Andre was sent to the best school but his father never appreciated his skills and always used him to raise money for his business. He was treated differently for not being a singer and marrying out of his race.
4. He inherited bipolar illness from Lucious's mother but Lucious never wanted to deal with it and never went to the hospital to visit him after his 1st breakdown. Lucious once told him he was ashamed of him because of his illness. Talk about breaking down your son emotionally and psychologically!
5. He lost his first child when his wife was viciously pushed down the stairs but none of the family cared while Andre was left alone to grieve night and day. Even when his wife died, no one cared again. Lucious responded by sleeping with the killer of his baby and his wife, all the while expecting Andre to bend over and accept it. WRONG.
...... and the list could go on.
So, the Lyons better not judge Andre harshly because he has been through a whole lot coupled with his mental illness. He MUST BE FORGIVEN BY LUCIOUS, in my humble opinion.
.....and now Cookie is in shambles!!! This is really bad. I hope to God she recovers from this with her health in tact. 21 years in jail to sacrifice for your family and now this? Life can be so unfair. I'm not surprised though. After all what Cookie has gone through, the stress and strain was bound to eventually catch up with her.
Great episode. Looking forward to next week.
I agree with everything you said. I am looking forward to next week as well.
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Tonight's episode was good. With all of the stress that Cookie has been under, this is really sad. I wanted to hug Andre, and Hakeem and Tiana shouldn't get married right now, given everything that is going on. Even after Tiana said she was all in for this tour, I could tell that she seemed very skeptical about the whole thing, after Eddie told her she shouldn't have any distractions.
The girl group was a nice touch.
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I like Warren and Jamal together, too.
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I absolutely loved this episode. And it was interesting that Pamela never existed. And to know that I thought she was possibly another set up by the Dubois family was quite the twist I never saw coming. Jamal and Hakeem, it's great that they are recording music again, but I am so afraid that Jamal may not be able to control himself with the alcohol and pills. And Hakeem, he needed that slap and definitely deserved it, because he needs to start realizing that Tiana was just trying to help him.
And Shine giving Hakeem advice was nice, and I hope he listens, but that might be easier said than done with him, because he won't listen. Cookie throwing Diana's mother's ring into the street was interesting. I can't wait until next week.
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I cried throughout the entire hearing and definitely at the end. It was heartbreaking to watch.
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I love that Lucious regained his memory and it is going to be interesting with the court case concerning Bella, because it seems as though the Dubois family and Anika may be able to celebrate for a while, they may have won this part of the battle but they will never win the war. And Hakeem will forever love their daughter.
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It did not air for me as well, it will return next Wednesday November 8.
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1 hour ago, phoenics said:
Yes I agree. And thank you for apologizing - even if you didn't understand what triggered my feelings. I know my feelings of being bashed weren't coming from your posts - but you were nice enough to apologize anyway, acknowledge how I was feeling and keep the discussion open and honest instead of making me feel like my feelings were invalid. I appreciate that - even if we don't always agree. :)
That is fine, and again, you are welcome. We will all have feelings about this show about the characters and how we feel about them, are our feelings, and we all will have to learn to agree to disagree with each other sometimes.
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22 hours ago, Margohill said:
Why would I want to bash you and what's to gain from it? I see this as a discussion forum where we are all arguing 'for' OR 'against' a particular topic that was brought up. If you feel that way, sorry to let you know that was not my intention and I worded things the wrong way when it came to the issue about 'writers' and 'writing' not to personally attack someone whom I don't know anything about. Pardon me, I will work on my wording in the future.
Exactly, and I think we should leave it at that.
Thanks @journalism16, you are very, very nice.
You are welcome. I think whether we agree or disagree, we all can have healthy discussions about Empire, a show we all love, without becoming angry with each other, even though at times, it happens.
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You are welcome, we just have different ways of looking at things, especially when it comes to this show.
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49 minutes ago, phoenics said:
I'm trying not to feel like you're bashing me personally - but when I said I was a writer but I sometimes latch onto characters - I was talking about a personal hobby where I write fiction, but when I watch tv, I do sometimes tend to watch for my own entertainment so I do fall in love with certain characters. I don't write for Empire or any tv show - I watch these shows for my own entertainment.
As I said in an earlier comment - I tend to watch shows as a whole and try to see them from an ensemble viewpoint - and to that you answered that only writers do that and then when I said that I was a writer but that I also latch onto characters I identify with - for the show that would be Cookie.
It feels like you're trying to have it both ways - you clearly have a strong bias for Andre - but you're not allowing others to have biases for characters they like, or to even see all of the characters as gray.
I've seen this bias with some writers - kind of like the bias you've exhibited toward Andre and against Anika - where suddenly the show becomes all about them. Sleepy Hollow was an example of that when Katrina took over everything. So I understand what you mean - I just don't get why you decided to apply that label to me and insult me when I was talking about my enjoyment of the show.
Again - I wasn't talking about how I write - I was talking about how I WATCH the show. This is tiring.
I'm talking not about my writing - but about how I invest in characters on shows I watch. I don't appreciate all of these insinuations about me as a writer - when that was an aside comment - and has little to do with my enjoyment of the show. I'm watching for entertainment - though I do try to appreciate all characters as presented - in this case, they are all gray. Incidentally, me looking at the whole ensemble objectively (which was what I was arguing FOR) is what prompted the other poster to accuse me of being like a writer. My response was that I was a writer, but when I watch shows, I do get invested in one character that I identify with - which is kinda the point of enjoying a tv show, even if I still enjoy the ensemble as a whole.
This all grew from this Andre vs Anika war going on in the thread and me saying that I saw both Andre and Anika as the same as gray and that I'm seeing the whole ensemble of the show as gray. Then I got told that only writers look at it that way - which is not always true anyway - but the point is I'm watching this show to enjoy it. But whatever. Apparently I'm the new punching bag in the thread since Dee opted out (wisely). I'm done.
When I said that I was a writer I was referring to myself because I write stories, it is great that you write as a hobby, I don't write for any shows either, but I do aspire,to become a published author. I am not bashing you at all, and believe me I am invested in the characters as well, not as a viewer, but as a writer as well. I love certain shows because of the compelling storylines and everything for entertainment. I enjoy a lot of shows just as much as you do for entertainment as well as writing because it gives me ideas for stories. I am sorry if you thought I was bashing you, when I wasn't. And you are right, I look at this show like Scandal, These are characters that are not good, nor are they bad, it is all mixed up in that lovely gray area, which I love as well. I'm sorry you felt like I was bashing you, my apologies.
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3 hours ago, phoenics said:
I am a writer, so... but I still also sometimes latch onto characters - ones I strongly identify with. For this show, that's Cookie - she kinda represents the audience in my view. The other reason I guess is also because none of the characters are necessarily "good" to me, so I just don't get worked up in character v character - unless it's Lucious v someone. Or a case where a character is a clear villain (Claudia).
I am a writer as well, but I am invested in all of the characters even the ones I don't necessarily like, and I enjoy the compelling storylines that are happening within the Lyon family, and the other characters, but I absolutely love the characters because they are complex and endearing, and that's what I love about not only this show, but others that I watch as well.
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1 hour ago, Margohill said:
He was paid alright but Lucious made sure he wasn't involved in any important decision making and to focus on raising money to support Jamal and Hakeem's concerts. There were a few scenes where Lucious gave him a serious talk down about concentrating on getting the funds no matter how difficult it was. that was very stressful for Andre. He was toiling away IMO trying to come up with all kinds of ways to raise the money for their concerts.
BTW, all the boys lived lavishly so it's not as if Andre was treated extra-special in that aspect. I think Hakeem was the most spoiled and lived extra luxuriously.
Let's be honest here. Luscious has NEVER dealt with Andre's mental issues. He has shunned him because of it and never even visited him at the mental health center when he had his breakdown. That was sad. Lucious was so ashamed of the disease Andre inherited from his mother that he took Andre to a FAKE grave and lied that his mother was dead when she was actually at an institution which Andre later found out. That was sad.
To understand why Andre felt the way he did, his father needed to have talked to him and get what was ailing him. Lucious never understood the self pity Andre must have felt to be put down time and time again by his father because of his illness which must have made him behave in certain hurtful ways. Andre became angry and vengeful because of his father. Lucious has himself to blame for what Andre became.
Never saw Andre being condescending to his mother at any time WHATSOEVER. In fact when Cookie just got out of jail and Lucious was refusing to make her CEO or give her any part of the company. Andre was the one who sat his mother down and gave her the brilliant idea which gave her the leverage she had over Lucious to get the financial support she ended up getting from Lucious.
Yes Cookie has shown love to Andre but IMO, it's miles short of what she has shown Jamal and Hakeem.
What do expect anyone to do without much support from your loved ones? Your baby gets killed, no one reacts, your wife dies, not much of even a funeral. Heck I would learn to care for myself under those circumstances too. I totally get Andre.
There are a few, but I choose not to get into it. It's obvious from watching the show. That's how I came to my conclusion, by watching the show..LOL!!!!
I think we see things differently. Losing your wife and child can never be equivocated to "losing at a game". Heck it is much more than that. Andre is entitled to feeling betrayed and hurt with the kind of loses he has suffered and deserves every right to be angry and vengeful. Nothing spoilsport about that, not at all.
I agree with everything you said, while responding to Dee. In the pilot, as we are introduced to these complex but endearing characters, we see that all of the boys did live lavishly, so it was not just Andre. Andre was having a very difficult time finding the funds for Jamal and Hakeem's careers. I remember in season 1, episode 5, "Dangerous Bonds," when Hakeem demoed his song "Drip Drop," to his father and Anika, (such a catchy song, but will never listen to it again in the episode, it takes me at least two weeks to get it out of my head, lol). Lucious told Andre to find whatever money he could to produce the video, and later on, when Rhonda calls him to see what was going on between Tiana and India, she noticed that her husband was frustrated and stressed, as he told her, "I've got to find the money to fund my demise." So he was very stressed about this.
Lucious has never been able to deal with Andre's mental issues because he was probably never able to process and understand what was going on with his mother as a child, so when he took him to that fake grave, it seemed as though even with their grandmother still alive, maybe he felt like it would be better to have her in an institution than to have her meet his family, but then Andre found out the truth from the journalist Harper Scott. But perhaps, Lucious could not accept that his mother and son have this illness because he is not only very ashamed, but terrified about what the world would think about his family. And I agree it was very sad how he found out, as well as Cookie, Jamal, and Hakeem.
I loved that he gave his mother the leverage she needed to get what she knew she deserved from Lucious, (even though it wasn't everything she wanted at first) and in the pilot he apologized to his mother for not coming to see her while she was in prison. And I definitely agree with everything else about how he felt when it comes to his family. But the game they started, was him wanting Empire, and he knew that either Jamal or Hakeem would get the keys to the kingdom, and at the end of Season 1, Jamal inherited it, but of course, in Season 2, Jamal's music suffered as he had to take over everything while their father was in jail, and later on, when Hakeem voted their father out as CEO and Chairmen thanks of course, to Camilla, his music suffered as well.
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4 hours ago, Dee said:
There's a several month gap between Anika getting pregnant and Rhonda staying with her.
I know, but to me it felt like it was a few days, and sometimes in television a few weeks can still be considered the same day.
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On 10/24/2017 at 8:34 PM, Margohill said:
Good God yes!! I almost forgot that Hakeem was dating Camilla in S1. Boy! how could I forget that? The boy had his mommy issues..LOL!!! That's one of the main reasons Hakeem couldn't get along with his mother because Camilla was in the way.
I just never saw that. I saw their relationship as platonic and if you ask me, I think Hakeem loved Camilla much more than Anika. With Anika it looked very superficial to me. She really seems to have pushed herself on Hakeem which still revolts me since she had been with Hakeem's father for a long time. From father to son? That's desperation at it's highest level.
We are watching the same show but getting different perspectives..hmmmmm.
Andre finished school and has worked at his father's company helping raise money for Jamal and Hakeem to pursue their careers. No one was supposed to kiss anyone's behind but just show some support. Hakeem and Jamal have had plenty of support from both their parents while Andre seems to have been more or less left out in the cold. If they are family and supposed to be really close knit, then it's not too much for Andre to ask to get their support. If they could just reach out and give him the support that he deserves, maybe he will think twice about doing anything silly. For now, I can't really say I blame him for his actions.
JMHO
I agree that Hakeem and Anika had more of a platonic than a romantic relationship, when we watch the show, but maybe offscreen it may have been implied that they had a more established relationship, but I digress. Hakeem was in love with Camilla much more than Anika, and the relationship building with Cookie suffered. But when Hakeem was ready to stop the motherly relationship he had with Camilla she was not happy about that because he wanted to start to build a relationship with Cookie, and Anika nor Camilla could do anything about that because they had no say. Andre, Jamal, and Hakeem are Cookie and Lucious's sons, so they could not control the relationship that would ultimately happen between Cookie and Hakeem.
And let's not forget that Anika was threatened by Cookie the moment she came home because she knew that Cookie and Lucious had history and children, she knew she couldn't hold onto him, because of the connection they would always have, while Anika did not have that connection with him. I agree that Anika did push herself onto Hakeem and they had more of a platonic relationship in Season 1, and with Cookie coming back to reclaim part of the company, and rebuilding a relationship with her two oldest children, while also trying to help Hakeem grow up, and build a relationship with him, Anika had much more to lose in Season 1, than Cookie ever did because she didn't have Lucious's children, and Cookie did.
On 10/24/2017 at 11:26 PM, phoenics said:After Anika talked to her mother, she arrived at her home and Hakeem was waiting for her. I remember because she was on the phone and walking on her street. Her mom was no help really so Anika was a crying mess when she got to her door. She had just finished telling her mother that she had no one. She hung up, got to the door and Hakeem appeared behind her. He went to kiss her, she dropped her keys and mouthed "thank you" as if Hakeem was an answered prayer. Hakeem came to Anika because he was feeling vulnerable and alone after his kidnapping and no one else was really listening to him. So he went to Anika.
I don't think Hakeem ever loved Anika - but I don't think she loved him either. I think that in that moment, they were simply what each other needed at that moment and neither of them seemed to have bad intent - just needs. Anika needed to not feel alone and Hakeem needed to feel alive I guess.
I'm not sure what scene you're remembering of Anika showing up at Hakeem's door but that's not the scene where Anika got pregnant with Bella - the scene I just mentioned is.
I agree with you, I think he needed to feel like a man again as well, as I remember that scene in my head too, but she does end up going to Hakeem's condo to tell him that she is pregnant, and he tells her that he is in love, and she doesn't tell him after that. But it must have happened in the scene where she is going home after walking and he's waiting for her, but a few days after that, Rhonda was staying with Anika and Andre comes over so he can talk to her, and Anika ends up throwing up after eating, and Rhonda asks her if she's pregnant, and Andre asks her who the father is, and she reveals that it's Hakeem, which then prompts both of them to help her tell the family in Season 2 Episode 14: "Time Shall Unfold." And that's where the family finds out, and Hakeem is surprised, but asks, How you know the baby's even mine? And she says, "You're the only one I've been with, after your father." And the family is not thrilled about this. But you are right, it wasn't bad intentions. But you also have to remember, he didn't end up at home until the end of the episode in Season 2 Episode 6, he goes to Anika first, because when Cookie opens the van door, she finds that Hakeem is not there, and they ask the driver with urgency, "Where's our son?!"
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On October 22, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Margohill said:
Wouldn't be surprised there. Anika always goes for Cookie's "sloppy seconds". If none are available, she goes for her son. As for Angelo, he is a drunk mess right now he could sleep with anything. They both deserve each other but one thing is certain, they are going up against the "indomitable Lyons" and will lose that battle big time.
Totally agree. After talking to her mother, I remember Anika made a bee-line straight to Hakeem's apartment and seduced him. She was so desperate even when time and time Hakeem told him he didn't love her and was in love with someone else who at that time was Laura (I think that was that singer's name in S2). Hakeem has NEVER shown any love for Anika whatsoever.
I felt nothing for Jamal's duet with Warren. The fact that he was sticking a knife into Jamal's back just turned me off especially when he spilled the beans about Lucious to Mrs. Dubois. I was hoping that his love for Jamal would keep him quiet but was very disappointed when he spilled that secret. Too late now that he has already told Mrs. Dubois. I hope Jamal comes to his senses and throws him out the door, LITERALLY. I'm so sick of these fake boyfriends Jamal hooks up with. About time he teaches one of them a real lesson of not messing with a Lyon. SMH.
Yes, Hakeem was in love with Laura, he told Camilla this, and she wanted him to get rid of her, and he broke up with her briefly, to get Empire back, so he made that tape and sent it to Mimi, and she ultimately drinks something that she gave Mimi after Lucious finds out she killed her wife. When Hakeem tells Anika that he is in love with Laura, she doesn't seem phased by it, but was definitely jealous and hurt; however, when Anika learned that she was pregnant, she tried to contact him several times. I agree that Hakeem had the most love for Anika, because she was around him before their mother came home, but as far as a relationship was concerned between Hakeem and Anika, he never loved her; but he was genuinely in love with Laura, and I thought their relationship was very sweet.
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On October 20, 2017 at 2:10 PM, tennisgurl said:
Andre and Rhonda certainly did awful things, but I still felt bad for them when Anika shoved Rhonda down the stairs (after Rhonda was being nothing but nice to her) and they lost their baby, and when Rhonda died. It just seems horribly unfair for Anika to get the perfect mommy life after she purposefully shoved a pregnant woman down the stairs to kill her unborn child, purely out of jealousy and self involvement. Thats what gets me the most. Everyone on this show is varying degrees of sketchy, but thats just such a petty reason to do something so awful. I dont at all blame Andre for being pissed off that he still has to deal with Anika, and I roll my eyes every time she goes on about how much she "deserves" time with Bella. She does not deserve sole custody of Bella. She hardly deserves visitation rights.
I enjoyed seeing more of Empires artists and seeing their different styles. Sometimes it seems like the only non Lyon artist that consistently have is Tiana, so its nice to be reminded that this is a large business (you know, an Empire?) with lots of people attached. I just imagine all these other people just stay FAR AWAY whenever drama is breaking out, and just focuses on their work. However, if Cookie keeps insulting their artists right to their faces, they might not have much of an empire left! Plus, it had some really good music.
The Prince party looked fun, I hope baby Bella got to play in the bouncy house! Also, on a shallow note, Tiana and Tory both looked lovely at the party.
Looks like Michael might be actually falling for Jamal, but it will be pretty hard to have a relationship after this all comes out. Its hard to spin "I know I started dating you in hopes of destroying you and your entire family on the orders of my Machiavellian grandma, but we can still make this work!" even if your a lawyer.
Just for future reference, the character's name is Warren.
S05 E01 Steal From the Thief
in Empire
I enjoyed your opinion on the show, but I am just wondering why don't you like Tiana/Serayah? Is it something about Serayah you don't like, (besides her pictures)?