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Think the big two are Rory and Sookie. Sookie was a very funny and sweet supporting character for a long time, but I think post-marriage she did become more annoying and unlikeable in general. I like her and Jackson as a couple, but I do think that marriage brought out the worse in her at least.
Its a classic opinion on Rory. But the 1-4 Rory was thoughtful, smart and fun to be around, later season Rory just became too smug and let her lifestyle go to her head too much. She still has her moments, but I much prefer her in the first 4 seasons.
The other ones are to smaller degrees. Logan grew on me, after not liking him at first. There are still many things I don't like about him. But I am at least convinced that he has more depth than first appears and probably does care for Rory.
It was reverse with Dean. I never loved his character but thought he was decent to be around and quite liked him and Rory as a couple for at least a season and an half. The longer he's on the show the more self-important, bland, and whining he became.
Jess I like and now see as Rory's ideal partner (at least out of her three main love interests). But he was a bit of a slow burning character. When you understand more about his background and see how he matures later then I think I understand him more. And always enjoy the spark he brought to the show.
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Spin-off is one thing. Think the characters are so good than you could do it. But I wouldn't watch basically the same show but with a different cast no.
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I'm a big Amy Acker fan having seen her in Angel. I watched a random episode one night on Channel 5 (it was from S4) and liked the look of it. I started watching it from the start on Netflix last year and got hook pretty quick. Loved the concept, and how current many of the themes are. The casting is great, and I really like character driven dramas with good tension and twists in the plot. I've watched the first four seasons and think it really hits a high during seasons 3 and 4. The HR story in S3 is one the best written I've seen on TV for a very long time. Just waiting for the last season to come on now.
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On 5/16/2016 at 6:58 AM, not Bridget said:
Hmmm..... wouldn't that make Veronica Mars a better Modern Nancy Drew? (Times have changed.) So, Veronica's dad comes to mind: played by Enrico Colantoni, of course.
Cara Buono played a hit woman for Samaritan--and was also Faye Miller, psychologist & one of Don Draper's many women on Mad Men.
Enver Gjokaj caught everybody's eye on Dollhouse--then played a Russian mobster's son on POI on his way to the recently cancelled Agent Carter. (snif)
"Til Death" was the POI episode featuring a battling married couple. Played by Mark Pelegrino, instantly recognized as Lucifer on Supernatural. And Francie Smith, who I thought I remembered from Due South; I was right--she played Luane on "A Likely Story."
Brian Wiles played the ill-fated rookie Mike Laskey on POI--and an adorable Marquis Lafayette on AMC's Turn.
Why, yes. I've been bingeing (or should it be binging?) POI recently--and replaying my favorite episodes. And enjoying the New York talent showing up as guests. (As well as that amazing city scenery.)
Leslie Odom Jr ("Peter Collier" on POI) is up for a Tony as Aaron Burr in Hamilton. As is Chris Jackson (who had a small role as a security guard), George Washington in that same smash hit....
I wondered where I'd see Buono before?! Loved the feud between her character and Shaw on POI.
On 6/19/2016 at 11:09 PM, Julia said:She has a ridiculous Q score, to the point that they tried to rehabilitate Root with the larger audience by shipping her with Shaw. I think she'll get work.
Was Root not connecting with a big audience then? I find that sad as she is one of the best characters on recent television. I like the ship with her and Shaw. Its done with the power of suggestion, and they have a playful, love to hate sort of chemistry. Its different that just shipping her with one of the male leads too. Not sure if I like her as much when she's on the good side or not. But I do like some of the murky areas they explore with the character, like some of things with Finch.
Michael Emerson was in the X-Files episode Sunshine Days, as well as having a six episode run on legal drama The Practice.
And in a bit of a random one, Shahi made a one off appearance in British sitcom Coupling during the show's third season.
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On 1/17/2017 at 1:12 PM, Melancholy said:
Here's an UO. Christopher's conduct in Wedding Bell Blues offends me more than Emily's. I bet some of that is because Emily had goodwill with me where Christopher had none. And Emily later made some amends while Christopher didn't and actively followed through the same mindset when he banged a crying, distraught Lorelai just off the breaking of her engagement with Luke.
But also, I don't think Emily planned on Christopher getting hammered and drunkenly declaring in front of Luke and Lorelai, "Leave this guy for me. Emily told me he's just temporary." It's not clear what Emily wanted/pictured but I think it was along the lines of Christopher showing up looking like a very sexy and single perfectly ironed stud muffin (and not devolving into a sloppy drunken mess) and naturally attracting Lorelai away from Luke. That's bad but it would be more tolerable of their faction than what actually happened- to create such an ugly scene that it created relationship problems between Luke and Lorelai that they didn't seek out.
Ill agree that Emily was more underhanded and sneaky while Christopher just moronically bursts out with his drunken tirade and creates, "It's not nice to hate the mentally incompetent" guilt. But Emily lived her life openly as a bossy meddler and that's why she and Lorelai always had a fractious relationship. However, Christopher represented himself to Lorelai as a fellow free spirit who also resented their parents' snobby bossiness and disrespect/unfair disapproval of their choices. However once Christopher saw advantages in aligning himself with the elder Gilmores, he took it. I think that bothers me even more than Emily's betrayal because it just destroys one or possibly THE key pillars of their whole relationship.
Very good point on Chris. Its true that Emily does come around and do the right thing at least. And Chris totally made a ass out of himself. If he had just stood aside and waited to see what would happen then that would be different.
Great spot on Chris's phony liberal, against the system show. Not only is Emily good at heart, but at least she's up front about her lifestyle etc... To me Chris is a yupee dressed in sheeps clothing.
On 1/18/2017 at 2:09 PM, JaggedLilPill said:I take more issue with Luke's behavior in WBB when it comes to Rory. Freaking hell, the girl's not nine. And Logan wasn't attacking her. What a complete overreaction, and quite frankly, an undermining of Lorelai's ability to parent. She didn't need either Chris or Luke to handle the situation. Actually, there was nothing to handle. Both of them acted out of line when it came to Rory/Logan.
And in the context of what happens in season six, it only makes me more angry when it comes to the double standard of Luke and Lorelai and their kids, i.e. Luke can overstep boundaries and feel entitled to 'protect' Rory as a father but Lorelai can't even have a conversation with April. Screw that to be honest.
I think thats a bit strong. It wasn't really his place I agree. But I do think he did it out of looking out for Rory. It plays out as quite a funny and touching moment to me. Rory and Logan were in the wrong.
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Not a Max fan. Just find the character way to boring personally and never felt him and Lorelai worked as a couple. They seem more like a sitcom couple to me.
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I think Jason is one who gets more hate than he deserves. At times he's a bit smug, and I don't think him and Lorelai were meant to be. But I think for awhile they made a good couple, and thought he was a decent bloke.
The only thing with Jason is that I always thought he looked a little too much like a serial killer! lol. Mostly when he wasn't clean shaver.
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Chris is my least favourite of the male characters on the show or at least out of the men in the Gilmore's lives. At first he came across quite well but I just find him to cynical as a character and very self-centered. He really stepped over the line during Emily's plot to split Lorelai and Luke up. Yes it was her plan, but Christopher knew what was going on and played along anyway.
As a mother and daughter relationship, Lane and Mrs. Kim top the Gilmore's. Of course Rory and Loreali are fantastic and totally believable. But I think their stories work as well as they do because of the characters they come into contact with. And part of their charm is how their relationship is based on the same core values. For growth I think the Kim's are more developed. And the chemistry between the actors is great.
Though I love Lane and her band I'm not sold on her relationship with Zach outside of the band. I just don't think he cares about her and without the interaction from the other members of the band their relationship isn't as interesting IMO.
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On 1/11/2017 at 4:14 AM, deaja said:
I don't agree that Logan had been condescending to Marty prior to that. Asking if he was still interested in bar tending parties was innocuous. He was complimentary of Marty's work. His friends were terrible (as per usual) but Logan himself was fine.
Part of it might be down to Logan being a new character at the time. Because he was introduced as a rich jerk, then I think most people would read that comment about Marty as being a sarcastic putdown. That's how I took it and I think it was. But later Logan improves as a person. It is true that his friends are worse to Marty though.
Jess is my favourite of Rory's boyfriends. I like the spark between them and got the impression they truly cared about each other. Jess made a good impact upon his debut and though he treated Rory bad at times he does mature later.
Dean I can take or leave. Think his early relationship with Rory was pretty watchable, but he just got more bland and annoying as a character as time went on.
Feel the same about Logan. Though he won me over after a dodgy start. The misunderstood rich kid trope is a bit overused on the show and partly because of the actor's looks and his rich background I was never convinced about him. And I think acting wise he is a bit bland at time. He's a decent guy, but like Dean turned into too much of a middle of the road character. He was never charming enough to convince me or interesting enough as a bad boy to be that interesting.
Luke is the only one for Lorelai. I loved them together on screen even when they were just friends.
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Oh that letter is lovely, and pretty much spot-on. Lorelai is a wise woman!
I don't know I thought Logan the stalker worked quite well, but lives too short to get hung up on such things...
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On 1/11/2017 at 9:41 PM, deaja said:
Rory definitely sent mixed signals though. She wouldn't take his calls, but then got upset that he had taken that to mean they were broken up. She wouldn't just have a conversation with him, and it led to most of their misunderstandings in Season 6.
Guess that's true. But that only means that she could have handled her side of things better. That still doesn't excuse Logan's actions.
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On 1/11/2017 at 1:48 AM, Deputy Deputy CoS said:
He's not because ber refusal to answer his calls is why he took such drastic measures. He was relentless, but he tried the normal approaches before showing up in places she'd be.
I understand that, but isn't the respectful thing to do if a person doesn't want to see you to just leave them alone? That way if they decide to contact you again you'll know its because they want to. And I still think the extremes he goes too with all the gifts make it a bit creepy.
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I am currently watching mid-season 6 of the show. And am on the bit where Logan is trying to win Rory back. And of course the way he feels to do this is by constantly showing up unannounced at her appartment, showering her with multiple gifts, and even trying to get her mother involved.
It actually makes for some good scenes with the pair and Rory and the other characters on the show. But does anyone else think that Logan's actions are like those of a stalker? If so another thing that make this troubling is that Rory eventually bows down and agrees to go out with him on a date at some point.
Another interesting footnote to this plot is that Logan is once again throwing his money around to try and get something he wants. One of the big themes of the show is about class and money. So this is another thing that stood out to me.
Thoughts?
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One of my favourite WTF moments of the early seasons was when Kirk randomly asked Lorelai out! I loved her response and it was nice how she gentling let him down. But am I the only one who would have loved to have seen them actually go on a date?
Whether it be just because Lorelai felt sorry for Kirk or didn't want to hurt his feelings, or because she wanted to see what would happen. I see a lot of comic potential and some great character interaction between the pair if the date actually happened.
Anyone else feel the same?
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On 12/14/2016 at 2:21 PM, Aloeonatable said:
Not such an unpopular opinion. I hate it as well.
Yes, I do like Matt in the GW, but as Logan, no.
Yes his casting in the Good Wife makes more sense.
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I think my favourite as described by Kramer in such dramatic fashion would be, Coming to theatres this Friday, Kevin Bacon, Susan Sarandon in, YOU'VE GOT TO GET ME OVER THAT MOUTAIN!!! Rated 15.
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Well I think that the later seasons of Cheers (or at least from S4 onwards) were better than the Diane years. But I don't dislike the character as much as some of you. I think she's fantastic and I love the performance from Long and her Chemisty with Danson. Later the writers went in a different direction with Rebecca which is what they needed to do to keep things fresh.
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Expected something different when I saw the title. Not sure if it will be actors reproducing these moments or not? Could work well as the setting of Cheers and a lot of the interactions would make for a good stage production.
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Not seen all the seasons yet. But based on what I've seen so far I'd say my order would be, 3>2>>4>1>5>6
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On 4/8/2016 at 5:20 PM, RainbowBrite said:
I love Sookie up until the moment she becomes pregnant. Early years Sookie has my heart!
This!
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On 1/9/2017 at 6:24 PM, movingtargetgal said:
I started disliking Rory when she met Logan. The way she treated Marty when Logan showed up during their movie night was horrible. Instead of telling Logan that she had plans with Marty and that he should call first next time, she dragged Marty along on her "date" with Logan and friends. She gave no consideration that Marty would be uncomfortable and unable to afford the outing. Rory was really cruel to Marty and she showed how thoughtless and selfish she was. I think her relationship with Logan brought out the Lorelai and Emily in her. Both her mother and grandmother can be very thoughtless and selfish.
I think this is a little strong. I mean she did make it clear to Logan that her and Marty had plans. Maybe she could have been a bit firmer. I do find it one of the annoying habits about Logan that he just shows up out of the blue at Rory's without checking if she's free first. But to be fair to Rory I remember her giving Marty the option to say no to the dinner. At that stage I don't think Rory knew about his money issues so I don't think she can be blamed for that either. And later she did ask Marty in to watch the film again. So on balance I think she handled it pretty well.
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23 hours ago, Aloeonatable said:
That seems to be a popular opinion. Rory became less relatable and likable as she grew older and entered her grandparents world. I think that was always ASP's plan.
I never said it was a unpopular opinion just stating it as mine.
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I liked Marty because he was a down to earth guy with very little of the standard tropes that guys in Rory's life tend to have. It was a neat piece of misdirection to have him show up naked like that. That odd way of meeting Rory planted a seed in my mind that there could be romance in their future.
Its cool that Marty and Rory could just be friends (though I would have liked to have seen more), because you don't see her have too many male friends. The problem is the way the writers just drop his story once the Rory-Logan thing starts getting serious. There's no reason why Marty wouldn't be in Rory's life anymore even if he only made the odd appearance. There was more to explore with him.
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On 12/14/2016 at 2:42 AM, Deputy Deputy CoS said:
I didn't care for them as romantic partners but I lol'ed when Lorelai called him cutesy names. I reasoned she secretly wants to torture him.
I liked Logan's Ace for Rory because his use of her real name was strictly reserved for when he was seriously addressing her. Which was rare given his playful nature. It made both use of her name and Ace more effective.
Even as a Logan cynic I would agree with that. There's something quite old fashioned and sweet about the address too. I don't have a problem with it.
My unpopular opinion is that I'm not actually a massive Sookie fan. I enjoy her most for her banter/falling outs with Michel and Lorelai at the Inn etc... I quite enjoy her and Jackson as a couple, but then some of the stuff featuring them post marriage grate on me. I just don't find Sookie as funny or engaging and many of the other characters. She's a bit of a middle of the road character IMO.
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in Gilmore Girls
I think what Jess goes through and because his mother is lousy etc.. are the reasons why he acts badly at first. The writers are showing of course a different sort of relationship Rory has in contrast to Dean. But I do believe that deep down Jess was a good person. Which is different to Logan. When Logan first showed up I just couldn't buy into his misunderstood rich kid act (partly because rich kids are very rarely misunderstood). I found him and his friends to be truly rude to Marty and to others around them. Unlike Jess I could never see enough of a reason for Logan's actions. Even considering how awful his family were there still wasn't enough to justify it. I think Rory changes Logan for the better though.