Sirious Dude

I never made this personal. U totally misunderstood what i am saying, yet u accuse me. Its not me the one who is making this personal. I think that for the way he did it. For the moment he did it. Its was plan brutal and animalistic. About clark i think something most of the people think as well. He is dumb and a jerk, and i already said that about the writers. They need to make story, they need the drama. I asked u to describe me some of this flaws that made u think that of lana. I cant answer u if u dont say me anything about what make u take this bad view of a character. And that proves that he doesnt. Are u one of those people that believe whatever lex says? He is circumstantial. He says the things that u usually say in that situation. He doesnt mean that. Its like before killing someone he says "Im sorry". Dude,seriously... u cant take everything told as a matter of fact. Read between the lines. OH MY LOL,dude chill out. Maybe u should give a look at the top of this post. Again i was giving my opinion of a character and doing so, i explained my thoughts. I dont know why u getting so mad. Did u even understand what i was trying to say? Are u serious? Ahah,what the fuck man... "I do kiss TW,yes." "How often?" "Every once in a while,when they'll write in a kiss." Thats what i meant. They train. They practice. They make out to keep it real. Once again u attack me cause u didnt understand what im saying. Im the ono who should stop tolerating this. If u have to be so defensive/offensive, maybe we should stop arguing.

I think that u completely misundertsand lana's place in smallville. Im not telling u that ur forced to like her. It would be stupid. But lana wasnt meant to be a bad character. Maybe those flaws were particularly annoying to u, just like i find lois annoying. But neither of them was meant to be annoying. Its about our very own perception of the character, if we enjoy/like the actress. Wich are this flaws ur talking about? Since he did it out of love, u are willing to set aside. Thats how lex think as well. Im sure he doesnt think that its right to manipulate lana, or the fake baby thing. He is truly concerned to see how depressed lana was after the miscarriage. He knows what he is doing is wrong and bad. But still he does what he has to do because he "loves" her. To keep her by his side. Under that aspect he think he is right, but not under the human crime aspect. He said himself he doesnt. He admitted that he even dislike clark , cause he is always lying and well, clark-like. But he kept the friendship because he was envious. Lex said this. The affection, the interest he may had in clark in the first place, was for selfish reasons. He liked clarks life, and he is envious of that. Did i do that? I said that explaining a character i had to consider what other people thinks . I did not make an essay on ur psychology and why u may not like lana. I could,but i dont. I have tho to take in consideration some of ur possible preference of a character to explain my point. Its circumstantial. I actually find my self capable of liking lionel even in his MB glorious days. He truly doesnt have a choice. He is merely a bastard. He simply doesnt see other ways to get what he wants. Lex on the other side is yes evil, but not completely. He has other choice. We see him struggling between what to do, and how to do it. Its him that willingly choose to go bad. And with time he became just as lionel. Thats why i dislike him. Of course, there is no story without some sort of fight. I never say something/explain my points unless im sure its the truth/i know what i am talking about.

Trust me, that truly can be easily defined. Dude dont get me wrong, i like how lex is written, i like how is potrayed. I find lex fascinating under a psychological interpretaion of the character and indeed i spend some time to actually analyze him,but thats it. I am simply NOT ABLE to like him as a character and his action. Clark has his own layers too. I find my self more in line with clark's usual way of thinking and acting,but sometimes i dont. I cant stand when he is too much dumb or too much of a jerk. It doesnt seems in line with the character, indeed i think the writers made him like that just for the convenience of the storyline/drama. Of course, whatever i say is not because i want people to agree with me or change their mind. Its because like everyone else i like to explain my points and i tend to do it in a very logic and reasoned way. I think thats why people dont like it. Sometimes is difficult to properly counter a well reasoned thought. But its also possible that the reason someone could find my point "dont allowing other explanation " ,its because i explain so good and in detail the mechanism behind what we are talking about, that people realize its actually true. And sometimes the truth can hurt. Ask lana about that. LOL TW was casted on his chemistry with KK. He also have a nice chemistry with AM. I dont feel any particular spark with ED. Chemistry is that kind of thing that u may have with ur old friends cause u have a lot of story together. Sometimes tho happens to meet someone and feel a kind of connection already. That kind that even if u already met that person, u feel like u know each other from a lifetime. Maybe thats why with ED TW didnt have that chemistry. They met in season 4, so she was a newbie. Plus he was married at the time, while i think i heard an interview in wich KK said that she and TW used to make out once in a while to keep it real. Even tho, i dont think thats merely the reason of the lack of chemistry between lois and clark. I actually think that its more ED that doesnt have much feeling with TW,who generally seems to have chemistry with everyone. Probably because he is a likeable and good looking person. Again TW has chemistry with pretty much everyone, i think the thing between him and alicia was more the openess of clark. He was completely at his ease with her. He could truly be himself.

It was a retorical question. Dude,i dont think lex was right and thats why i dislike the relationship. What oliver did with lois was seduction, they didnt have any kind of past. Oliver didnt made any kind of machination in order to get lois where he wanted her. Thats exactly what i was talking about. Wheter u do it in real life as well or not, u agreed with lex morality on the show. For love u agree that lex was right in split clark and lana,manipulate her,corrupt her at his own moral level,deviate her,alienate her from other friends,take control of her life. I simply dont cause what lex did,the WHOLE relationship, was wrong. Simply that, it just feel wrong. Especially because with lex lana wasnt happier or more in love than she was with clark. He did that for selfish reasons, not for lana. I probably have a different view to accept what is right and what is wrong. What lex did to lana was disgusting. Thats what i feel in every lexana scene. The relationship is clearly abusive, there is no way someone could see that as something good for lana. Its not natural. Maybe u prefer her as TV character, maybe u find those story lines more intersting. But as a person, as a human being there is nothing good in that relationship for her. Clexana? That would comprend clark as well. If u meant lexana, then i disagree. To me lana was better with clark. She was a better person. She was happier. She was more passionate and in love. With lex she was unhappy. She was miserable. She was darker and i couldnt stand when she act like luthors.

I understand we just talked about respecting others, so if i will be somehow rude just know im explaining my point. Thats not how lana is been written. Thats ur interpration of the character, but its wrong. It truly is,simply cause thats NOT how lana was meant to be. Lana was created to be the sweet lovely girl. She is the represantion of what the perfect girl should be: beautiful,honest,sweet and extremly loyal. She is not perfect tho,she has flaws. She is human. But she never had a dark side. She never was the way u described. Not even a hint. She was sweet,honest and pure hearted. Thats how the creators wanted lana to be. Of course she has flaw ,like she easly flip. Or is a little bit whiny. Thats lack of love. Thats part of who she is and its some of the thing i personally love of her. She is also brave and has a particular inner strenght. Lex corrupted her,deviated her. Everyone can be corrupted and deviated. If lex wanted to, he would have corrupted chloe as well. Chloe could have been in the same position as lana. Simply chloe is not lex's target. Lex kinda had a sorta of bad influence on clark too. Lionel somehow corrupted chloe in season 2, just he didnt have the hold lex has on lana. Also clark in Wrath understood that all his secrecy and lies, in conjunction with what lex had done to her (which was completely barbaric), altered her personality. They both destroyed an innocent soul and turned her into somebody who was very bitter and vengeful. She never for a second did anything that would harm innocent people, tho. Never. The way u see her deviation as genuine is a way to express ur dislike for the character of the sweet girl that, because of some of her flaws, u think its just a facade. But its not,it never was. Lana was meant to be a tragic figure. She was supposed to be changed completely during the seasons from the actions of others. But not because its part of her being darker,not more than anyone else. He was genuine, but his reason were selfish. He was genuine cause he wanted to feel part of that kind of life. Not because he truly liked clark. Just as he genuinely wanted to be oliver friend, but not because he particularly liked him. Cause he genuine wanted to be seen different from the people at excelsior. And maybe this is the first time, but i totally agree with u about that. Obv he didnt want to cut clark off, he wanted to feel part of that. I think i also said that lana was the represenation of clarks life and that is the reason lex "love" her so much. I think he would have gone for lana anyways,even if they were still friends. He wanted to make a move already in season 4 finale. Lana was shocked and he was aleady trying to get advantage of that. Then once clark and lana got back together, u can see that lex is clearly envious in Mortal and probably already thinking of how split them. Lol,yeah probably not. But i cant help to analyze other people thought and belief if i have to properly give my opinion about something.

Just to explain why i didnt mean to offend and the logic reasoning behind what i generally say. Lexana works,im not denying that. The point is HOW lex make it work. Lex as he said to clark, is willing to do anything to keep it that way. If someone doesnt care about how the relationship was created, how lex manipulate lana to make it work, is because he thinks that lex moral of doing anything to keep lana is good. He agrees with lex morality. Did i actually said something wrong with the intent of insult people?

What i meant is not that lex was as bad as he is in the later seasons. I mean that his friendhsip with clark is proved to not be as genuine as it may seems it the first seasons. Especially how many people actually see clex as genuine and spontaneus. Some even defend lex, attacking clark as the bad friend. In reunion we discover that lex wanted to force oliver to be his friend. This kind of relationship dynamic has always been part of who lex is. Its just that i dont think its fair to consider his relationship with clark without considering this kind of thing.

I didnt say that to disrespect people, i say that because this is how human mind works. We tend to appreciate character with who we share similarities,thoughts,attitude,behaviours. And we tend to dislike characters cause in real life we tend to dislike that kind of people. Same for the relationships. Mine is a logic reasoning based on actual fact. I didnt mean that to offend, what should i care about attacking someone i dont even know?

I seriously dont understand what i did say wrong and if i did it,wasnt my intention. If what i type sound like im imposing this as the absolute truth,again,im sorry. This is just my opinion and wasnt my intention attack anyone.

This is the only possible answer to why people sees lex as remotely good,even in the first seasons. Or either people are naive and truly believe whatever lex says. I mean i read about people who even accused clark of cheating on lana while he never cheated on lois. This alluding to the hypnotist fact. The point is,not everyone understand the dynamic of the show,the psychology of the characters and a lot of people simply decide to ignore things in order to protect the image of the character in question. Misunderstaning a charater is a common thing , but when i read so much pure BS i feel the need to say the truth. Can we agree that we disagree?

My friend,i clearly explained my point. I think that what people sees and wrongly identify as chemistry is,indeed, intimacy. They are showed in more intimate moments than clark with lana. We see them sharing their lifes more than lana did with clark. This is not about chemistry,is about writing. But it can easly be confused as chemistry. I just gave my opinion about it.

Another unpopular thought that probably will make me hate by all the lex-lovers. I find very fascinating how many people like lex. In the specific ,how many people TOTALLY misunderstand the character,LOL. To properly understand lex,u must see his behaviour in the first seasons with the perspective of what we learn about him in the last seasons. Lex didnt want to genuine be clark friend. He wanted what he had. He wanted his life. Thats the ONLY reason lex starts a friendship with him. He admits that. Being clarks friend and being pat of his life is the closest thing to have that. His help, his friendhsip,he didnt do the things he has done for clark becasue he loves him as a friend, he did that so that clark would see him as a friend. Thats what is wrong, thats what lionel warn him about why lana will never love him. Lex sees the world and people as a strategy game. Like that strategy game he shows clark in the bug boy ep. He sees people as means to satisfy his needs. Having a friend, having a surrogate family, have a new happy life in smallville. There are so many hints even in the first season that lex isnt truly who he claims to be. He changed when he went to smallville. But none really just change. He was pretending. Lex arguably never REALLY liked clark, and it was suggested, in fact, plainly stated that he was only ever friends with him because he wanted everything that clark had. Lana and the loving parents. Everything he did for clark, was to manipulate his way into lana's life. Maybe with time he devoleped some sorta of affection to the kents and clark, but it was twisted and not genuine. It was a selfish affection. He was envious. He protected or helped them cause he wanted his pet family to be happy. He literally buys his way in the kents family. Pa kent was right about him, but i find it lol that he eventually fell for his manipulations. Altough i already cleared the air about the lexana relationship, i have to disagree that there were hints about that. Those werent hints,like maybe the clark and lois ones. There was this creepy vibe from lex to lana. But thats it,lana never showed any interest in lex. Those are not hints. Thats the perverted obsession of an adult man over a teenage girl. This is the lexana relationship and i want to be respectfull,but i honestly think that shipping someone with lex or perhaps thinking lexana was a genuine and lovely couple is just wrong. I can understand people have their POV about that. But having a POV means consider lexana like that because u share lex's same moral ambiguity wich make u consider the way the relationship is build as something right and acceptable. Another thing is distorting the reality of the show saying is good and genuine,that came spontaneously. But then again, many lana haters loved to see her with lex simply cause she was not with clark anymore. They loved to see her get corrupted,to go bad. They enjoy the fact that lana from the sweet girl gets totally deviated. Some of them probably enjoyed watching her suffer,being miserable and sad. Its bad. Its hatred. Its disgusting. I deeply disagree that MR and KK had better chemistry than anyone else,especially than TW and KK. Its not even a matter of interpretaion or an opinion. They had chemistry,yes and no. It wasnt a romantic passionate chemistry. On the daily basis their chemistry was not even that great, just maybe in the kisses. What they had is intimacy,as a couple,because of how the relationship is written,not thanks to the actors. Whatever chemistry they had is not as great as someone describe it,even tho sure thing they do have some. But it wasnt even comparable to the award nomination worthy one of TW and KK. I had to say this since i read some pretty amazing thought about that so just wanted to share mine as well.

What i mean is that after a nice conversation with ur girlfriend,u should be relaxed. The fact that after 2 sec he is angry and bossy, may hint that the lovely boyfriend is just an act. Its not natural the way lex passes from lovely to angry in matter of seconds,even tho there is nothing that really made him mad. This is not about how he treat people, evryone has his own preference. Dude,for lex lana was just a competition. He hadmitted that himself,and thats how he treat her. When she agrees to marry him his face doesnt say im happy,its more like triumphant,like i win. Lex loves lana as an object, and he proves that in the way he treat her. Crimson gives a very clear view of the clexana triangle. Aunt nell seems kind of shallow to me. She wanted lana to keep being a cheerleader even tho she wanted to detach herself from that world. She was proud of her marrying a billionare. She seems to prefer lana to be with whitney rather than clark. Doesnt seems the kents style of parenting. Lex knew lana wasnt after his money,simply because she never went after him. Was lex that went after lana. He never doubted lana in that way. Clearly that was a test,to corrupt her / bring her down at his moral level. To see how much grip he had on her. The intention were manipulatory. U cant deny that lex is indeed a manipulative person. Of course we can. If i gave u that impression dude im sorry,its that when im sure of something i tend to be over confident.

Yes she does,obviously. But u gotta see the whole picture. Lex made that happen. Lex created the right situation so that lana would let him in. And that is what makes lexana wrong and a manipulation. What happen behind lana's back make the viewer understand lex real ways. And those are deceiving ways. Besides the fact that is wrong to deliberately manipulate someone into lovin him , thats why lana will never truly love lex. He doesnt do what he does because he loves her,but because he wants her to love him.

No,what i mean is that once clark break up with lana,he proved to be what lex was manipulating lana to believe he was. After that all the trust she always had in clark,automatically transfers in lex because "he was right,he was the one who warned her". If lex wouldt interfier the way he did,lana would never turn to him. If lex woudlnt interfier at all,clark and lana would be good. They would be together. The point is that he does interfier because he is selfish and wants lana all for himself,he plays dirty. Using schemes to manipulate someone,is not good. Its illecit and unethical At that point lex seriously played her,she came out of a relationship of dishonesty and lex gave lana fake honesty. This is playing someone,just as lex did with kara. And the fact that in the years he proved to be reliable as friend with lana,in this situation was better than the amnesia status of kara in order to get advantage of her. Maybe u see lex as genuine,but bad. The fact is that he is not genuine,he treat lana like a business deal. The way he easly shift from lovely boyfriend to ruthless boss with his minions is a clear hint of how not relaxed and happy he truly is. He's acting. the relationship lex gave lana is an illusion,literally. He totally delude her,with lies,with travels and other rich stuff. But the truth is that there is no love,thats why the proposal pulled her back. Only reason she accept,is the baby. And we all know about it. Dude,the only concern lex had in that moment wasnt for lana,was that she could uncover his criminal business. He was protecting himself. And the way he didnt gave lana other choice is extremely manipulative. Going on with time ,this destroys lana's personality and free will. The point is not if clark could be used,its that he should NOT be used. Emotionally manipulating someone cant be seen as good or acceptable. Is wrong, a lot. And their relationship maybe in the last period was rocky but in hypnotic they were kinda good,lana said she would have waited as long as clark needs. Before reckoning their were not that messed up. They had a couple of fights. Reckoning frustrated lana and yeah she asked for a break,but eventually she stayed with clark to help him after jonny kent dies. After reckoning starts to be a little messed up,but indeed lex is starting to really interfier. In Tomb lana asks lex to help chloe at belle rive, and it was lex that told her to rely on him in Vengeance. Of course she is not forced to do it,not in the liter way,but she already has a boyfriend and lex interfier in very persuading way .He says i know clark needs u,but when u need someone to rely on im here. U just dont do that,its wrong. Its manipulative,and lana cant do anything to stop him from talking. Anyways , in Tomb when lex is at the hospital with clark and they talk about chloe, lex remarks a couple of time how lana went to him for help,and he even speak for lana. This is to put discord between them. He emphatize that its lana that said that chloe needs belle rive,kinda to throw on clarks face how he and lana are close. Even if matter of fact they are not that close yet. But still that upset clark. Lex wanted to create other little fractures in the relationship and with the hypnotist he would give the last big hit and destroy it at all. I think lex planned the eventuality that the hypnosis "spell" broke and clark would give up lana anyways out of guilt. No,clark broke up cause he didnt want to hurt lana anymore. He didnt want to tell her his secret,he was afraid she could die again. He also knew that by lying he'd hurt her. But he could have make the relationship work in other ways,u cant just abandon someone like he quitted football. People have emotions. I disagree,i think it was the stupidest thing he has ever done,and soon after that he regret he made that decision too. He took the easy way,he was running from his problems and once he saw her with lex,he understood he did a mistake. He wasnt being mature. This was a HUGE mistake,and lana is the one who pays the consequences. Lex manipualtion took hold on lana just when clark was "being mature". But he wasnt,he did regret to let lana go. Lol,that reminds me of people who abandon their pets in the middle of the highway while going on holiday because they dont know how to fit them in the trip. Clark did something like this,but its not about compatibility at all. He broke up cause in that moment it was the easiest way to deal with lana. Indeed,when he had the occasion in " Hydro" he wanted to make a move. Most important thing,doing something like this is really wrong,especially the way clark did it. U cant just walk away from someone like that,its brutal. Kents are family for lana, clark was the most important part of lana's life, he knew she would been destoyed by that. Being mature would have been sit down and end it like a mutual friendship since it wasnt working. Truth tho is that it was working,and it could still work What clark did was immature and the way he did it was selfish. Thats why he regret it. Clark accepted lex gifts too,the football games,the concert tickets ecc. The point is that lana had none to teach her to dont take candies. She has no parents, no dad no mom. Lex took advantage of that. And after the break up he took advantage of her very fragile and vulnerable state to seduce her, that seduction tho is manipulation,because of the background of the whole story. Thats why he was playing her. Her friend? Who,clark? Who just crushed her world? Or chloe,wich lana sees as clark-related and tend to dont trust either? Lex alieneted lana from the other people,she later admits that she lost everyone else. Anyways abusive relationships are not abusive from the beginning. Actually in the beginning the abusive partner seems the perfect match. Its after he seduce her,once she is trapped that the real mental abuse begins. Think of that loyalty test lex set up with lionel,does that sound normal to u? This is pure manipulation,he is corrupting her and if u dont realize that,i honestly dont know how else explain my POV . Obviuosly is not like every ep or every time there is the abuse,but its undeniable that it is abusive. From the beginning, i mean just look how it started,how it was created with machinations and manipulation. Just this should make u undertstand the kind of relationship lexana is. Lana is a victim since the beginning,even if not brutally she already was victimazed.