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1 hour ago, bubbly said:

stinky pinky

Wow on SO MANY LEVELS!  You, my friend, are a poet.  Your genius is lost on these board...go forth and touch the world!  Too funny!!!

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52 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

Second, he is on facebook and there is a Steve right underneath it. There is a photo of a young man, long blonde hair but THAT NOSE !  is the same as both Stevens.  Looks like another son.

I saw that.  No info shown but comments on his pics are in French.  He is probably Canadian and just happens to have that unfortunates name.  Could be a nephew.  On why the names are different, It's possible that Moms remarried and the new husband/abuser adopted the blob.

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Just purely for information purposes.  The cuss filled rant posted up thread was made by Steven while he was residing in something called New Bedford Rehabilitation Hospital.  It is apparently in New Bedford, Mass.  I am not sure what the place is usually utilized for.  Maybe someone out there knows.  Drug rehab?  Physical rehab?  Not sure.

22 minutes ago, LuciaMia said:

The only bit of extra information they showed was that after Dr. Now told Stephen he was being kicked out, he took Steve's call button away.  Sweet!

Man!  I missed that!  Damn, gotta rewatch!

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2 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

They should also invest in a couple of supersoakers and use them to discipline Steven when he is abusive,

Great idea!  Sadly, from past experience, APS would step in.  They couldn't do much with Steven due to his size, but they could prosecute the shooter.

29 minutes ago, pdlinda1 said:

 

From my experience regarding state penal systems, Steven would NEVER be housed in a jail/prison.  He would immediately be placed in an "infirmary"/hospital setting.  There he would be "managed" to suit the institutional protocols and procedures.  These are clinical settings; HOWEVER, he would NOT be allowed to behave in "inappropriate" ways and if they had to isolate him (with clinical oversight, to be sure), they would.  Once you lose your freedom and wind up in custody the rules change drastically.  Personally, I don't believe Steven has the bodily dexterity/quick movements of limbs to commit a violent crime on, say his bro/father.  That presupposes they don't let him anywhere near MATCHES!!  They would anticipate what he was going to do and get out of his way.  However, he would be quick to report "abuse" of father/bro and I believe that might be a problem for THEM.

 

THANK YOU!  Exactly what I was trying to say!  Steven is a reporter, BIG TIME.  No trying to manage this bozo is going to work unless it's in a clinical/hospital setting, with a court order involved.

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12 minutes ago, Michael Stabosz said:

You seemed to be conflating the ideas and saying that you thought he would go to jail, not that he should.

I'm sorry.  No.  I know that this Country doesn't incarcerate people for being poor, yet.  Steven wouldn't go to jail for being evicted.  Drug use, maybe.  Physical assault, maybe.  That is why I commented on the inability of a jail system being able to handle Steven.  He has shown a propensity for at least one of those 2 stated reasons.  He acts like he might be physically violent, but I haven't seen anything yet.  Just the aftermath of what he might have done to Justin.

5 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Sorry, I thought that's what you meant, because I said the sheriff would wonder what they'd do with him if they evicted him, because they could hardly leave a guy in shape on the curb, and you mentioned jails or prison.

No need to apologize.  You are completely right.  In the State I live in IT IS the sheriff who handles evictions, AND THEY DON'T arrest people.  MY mistake.

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48 minutes ago, auntjess said:

People who are evicted aren't jailed.

I never said people who are evicted should go to jail.

32 minutes ago, Michael Stabosz said:

Why would a homeless Steven go to prison?  You have to commit a crime first; we don't just round up indigents and lock them up.

I NEVER said homeless Steven should go to jail.  STOP putting words in my mouth.

I was only observing that the prison system is woefully under prepared to handle ANY criminal of his size.  STOP attacking me.  If you don't like what I say...block me.

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2 minutes ago, auntjess said:

I bet there's some head-scratching at the sheriff's department, and they try and figure what to do with him if they evict him.
I'd guess he becomes a charge upon Houston or their county.

I'm pretty sure there isn't a County jail or State prison in any State in the Nation set up to handle someone of his size.  Not to mention, God forbid, anything horrific was to happen to him while in their "possession" that didn't wind up ending his life.  He would sue and sue and sue.  If he perished, Dad will sue and sue and sue.

But just imagine for a moment, Steven in the care of the State penal system.  NO youtube!  No cell phone!  No non-stop PIZZA.  I wouldn't want to be incarcerated next to him.  Like someone said up thread...his is most likely a poop thrower.

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8 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

(center blocks?)

Someone up thread has stated that Steven never finished high school, he possible thinks cinder blocks is actually spelled center blocks.  It could also be a typo.  In the trip to Texas his bed broke and had to be repaired with cinder blocks.  He is probably referring to that.

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5 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

I agree.   Nothing has changed and its clear to me that his father is just as much a famewhore as his son.

In some ways, especially for Steven, you have hit the nail on the head.  This behavior has always gotten him what he wants or needs at that moment, why would he abandon it now.  It's a winning combination.  Mr. Orangeface has proven it.  Even Dr. Shill gets or draws people in by putting on or showcasing the extreme.

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Just now, Michael Stabosz said:

don't agree.  Previous patients succumbed to rather severe food addictions and it had done a lot of damage to their lives, but they tried and they were still good people.

I never said anyone wasn't a good person.  I even saw elements of good in the people most disparaged, such as Penny, Pauline, Marla & Chuck.  These are people, multifaceted people.  They were and in some cases are in very bad situations in their lives...this even includes Steven.  He is very distasteful in the way he chooses to live his life, but he is also very unwell.  Heck, I rooted for all of them.  I am even rooting for Steven still.  But truthfully, I also believe that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

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5 hours ago, Michael Stabosz said:

17 hours ago, Dru Blood said:

I have been meaning to point out that this show had to be filmed a couple of years ago.  The next episode is the next year in these two dysfunctional idiots lives.  The show had to have started filming in 2015 possibly.

Reasons I feel this way?  Dr. Now was treating Steven in that glass high rise hospital from past seasons.  I think it's called Foundation Surgical Hospital?  He was treating Nicole and James K. at St. Luke's.  If you want to say this show has gone to hell in a hand basket this year, you would be inaccurate.  It went to HIaH 2 years ago.  Earlier this season when I noticed the different hospital, I figured he had lost practice privileges either due to the high cost of treating these individuals (heck, maybe it was Steven who lost him the privileges) OR the hospital didn't want to take on the high risk of the the patient's dying any longer.

I'm fully aware of the time lag between production and airing.  But all we viewers have to judge by is what airs, and the episodes that aired didn't start getting trashy and stupid until THIS year.

I'm so not attacking anyone here.  Quite honestly, this show has, in my opinion, always had faint elements of "idiots on parade" going on.  Sadly, eventually they were bound to get down to the bottom of the barrel.

I also might point out that as humans have always done, we sometimes watch or become fascinated by things we really shouldn't.

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7 minutes ago, scoopski potata said:

I hate armchair diagnosing

I totally agree with you, this is just extreme supposition on everyone's part here.  None of us will ever really know what has occurred with any of the individuals involved in the situation shown the other night.  I do believe this is to some degree a contrived reality show that in the long run does more damage than good for some of the participants.  And I am truly concerned that Steven is working with Dr. Now and others at cross purposes to what he really needs, which is help for his damaged psyche before he can truly utilize the help being offered for his eating habit.  Unfortunately, Steven seems to want to demonstrate the more dangerous aspects of that damage he received then to simply ask for help.  Heck, he may not even realize that he is damaged.  That he is also damaging other people.  My husband, himself a damaged individual, once said to me "I just want others to hurt as much as I do."  This may indeed be Steven's motivation.

(Damn, there were a lot of damages in there, weren't there).

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53 minutes ago, gardendiva said:

will spell out what I have been coyly dancing around in previous posts. It is nothing but an intuitive guess, but I suspect that Steven may have sexually abused his younger brother. In his world, he had nobody else that he could dominate and control but Justin, and that kind of act is not about sexuality but about control, power and dominance.

Regular physical abuse doesn't really explain the absolute recoil that Justin exhibits when he is around Steven, and their 6 year age gap makes this seem even more likely. I hope I am wrong.

Gardendiva, do you also suspect that the root of Steven's own behavior could also have been sexual abuse from an adult?  This person is extremely vile, but I swear this is not the sort of behavior someone is born with.  This is nurture rather then nature.  I think he needs serious mental help but his walls are so high and so thick NO ONE will ever be able to break them to get in and figure out what causes his behavior, plus he loves this attention he is getting on some level, why get better and have to live like a normal person.

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2 hours ago, Anchorabu said:

OMG was that poop on his bed pad? That he's just casually lying on?

More then likely he has some elements of dissociation.  This man is horrible, but I do feel he was made this way by the treatment he received from his parents as a small child.  He then turned around and started abusing Justin.  Justin himself exhibits some form of dissociation also.

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2 hours ago, hnygrl said:

I remember learning early to never ever cry

In our house the favorite phrase was "if you don't stop crying I'll GIVE you something to really cry about."  It usually just made my sister cry more.

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2 hours ago, Kid said:

he felt that he needed to ASK for a piece!  He should've just opened the box when he came in the door, took a slice, then handed it to the pig.

Maybe, just maybe, those really aren't Steven's dad's real hands anymore.  Maybe Steven actually bit off the hands that fed him and Dad can't afford new replacements again.

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2 hours ago, 88Keys said:

There was a South Park episode about a big fat gross guy who sits at home playing video games all the time.

My husband HATES that episode.  On the flip side, when the guys get hugely fat to try and beat that guy at WOW, the scene with Cartman pooping while still sitting at the computer kinda reminds me of James K.  Gross, no chux were harmed during that episode.

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3 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

Steven needs to learn to be uncomfortable and it may take people turning their backs on him to make this happen.

You are exactly right.  I suspect that Steven developed this personality just for that reason right there.  He was never able to cope with the uncomfortable, what ever that may be.  I am sure his parent's divorce, his Mother's drinking, being hit and/or abused by his Mother's boyfriends made him angry, but when he became uncomfortable with some situations he wasn't able to verbalize his discomfort.  He just acted out.  And it worked.  BOY did it WORK.  Now it's his go to move.  It's his coping mechanism.  I honestly think his overeating is secondary to what ever else is going on in his head.

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3 hours ago, 88Keys said:

I think he sees compassion as a weakness that he can exploit.  He is not worthy of this kind of help, at least not at this point in his life.  Sometimes the most compassionate thing you can do for someone is to let them bear the consequences of their own actions for awhile. 

Yup.  He doesn't want help.  He wants your blood/sweat/tears.  He has already told ALL of us to shut up, get to work and pay our taxes so he can have a urinal, food, bed, drugs, phone, computer...the list goes on.

I do think Steven was more then likely made this way.  Yes, there are born sociopaths.  But sociopaths tend to be charming.  Psychopaths are the ones that don't know how to hide it.  Steven doesn't hide it.  At all.

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5 hours ago, okerry said:

If you just saw them dressed, you might think they were just rounder or bigger than the average person; but when there's a shower scene, you can see how the huge folds and growths of fat have developed all over the body

I agree.  In thinking of some of the participants with challenging physiques, both Nikki from season 4 and Nicole from a couple of episodes back spring to mind.  They both carried an extreme amount of their weight in the stomach area.  Nicole wore pants and you could get a sense of the trouble she had just carrying the bulk of her weight on the front of her body, but Nikki wore loooonnnggg skirts.  If we were only shown Nikki clothed you would never be able to wrap your head around exactly how the weight was dispersed.  A lot of regular people just see heavy people (especially clothed) and assume they can just exercise and eat right and it will all go away.  How one carries their weight is a factor on how easy it is to exercise and move about.  Nikki had an extremely difficult time moving around.  As I recall, she had breathing difficulties as well as back problems.  I HATE the shower scenes, but I appreciate the information I gain in understanding how their weight is distributed and gain insight in just what they deal with day to day in managing their size.

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Just now, PsychoKlown said:

Not if you shoved the phone up his ample diseased ass he wouldn't.

Hah!  I know!  Someone needs to take that phone away permanently!  Even better...suspend it just out of reach of this creep....he can see it, hear it, EVEN SMELL IT!  But he just can't get it!  Haha ha!  That would be a sight I would pay for.

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6 hours ago, meow-mah-leg said:

WTF do you mean NO? you selfish piece of shit! 

That's James K. for ya, ooops, I mean Steven.  They are both on the selfish spectrum, just different places.  I personally think Steven is a big GIANT narcissist.  He wants ALL THE ATTENTION ALL the time!  And dammit!  He is gonna get it ANYWAY he can.  And NOW NOW NOW (kinda like these bold caps here).  He is a big hangry asshole all the time.  Some of the behavior could very well have been there at birth.  Fetal alcohol syndrome in the extreme causes mental retardation (I know, it's a no no word, so sue me).  I don't think he has FAS, but he definitely has some mental disorder.

6 hours ago, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

I would have snatched that pizza box off him and left. 

He would have called the police, remember, they are on speed dial.

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6 hours ago, Trees said:

page 1 of results was a legal document detailing his wife's lawsuit after their divorce, with many details.  It paints him as abusive to her and dishonest with money

Knew that already.  I have never thought Dr. Now was a saint.  Just a flesh & blood (selfish flesh) man.  No surprise he is a money grubber too.

6 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

I really don't care what happens to him. He can stuff himself until he explodes and I actually hope he does.

Like a Rhode Island version of Mr. Creosote!  Boy would I love to see that!  Dinner mint, Steven?  It's whaffer thin.

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6 hours ago, scoopski potata said:

He is literally loving his son to death.

Is he really?  He let the crazy drunk lady take them.  He know his ex was an alcoholic.  UNLESS, they had dirt on each other and she was like "you let me have tham or I'll tell the courts (drugs) about youse..."  I wonder if there wasn't a WHOLE lot left unsaid about all 4 of these individuals, not to mention all the boyfriends trotting in and outta Mam's house?  Hmmmm.

6 hours ago, POPTARTIN said:

Many many people have died on the table and during his treatments than ever should, most due to they should have never even been close to the OR

I knew there had to be a reason he has switched hospitals!

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7 hours ago, Michael Stabosz said:

I don't think Jonathan is still involved, which is why the show went to Hell this year. 

I have been meaning to point out that this show had to be filmed a couple of years ago.  The next episode is the next year in these two dysfunctional idiots lives.  The show had to have started filming in 2015 possibly.

Reasons I feel this way?  Dr. Now was treating Steven in that glass high rise hospital from past seasons.  I think it's called Foundation Surgical Hospital?  He was treating Nicole and James K. at St. Luke's.  If you want to say this show has gone to hell in a hand basket this year, you would be inaccurate.  It went to HIaH 2 years ago.  Earlier this season when I noticed the different hospital, I figured he had lost practice privileges either due to the high cost of treating these individuals (heck, maybe it was Steven who lost him the privileges) OR the hospital didn't want to take on the high risk of the the patient's dying any longer.